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I don't ATG, or lift "heavy" for that matter. Guess nothing I do counts. I find it uncomfortable on my knees, same as bridges do weird things to my knees. I'm working on it and will get more advice from the physio when I see them for my hip dysplasia next month.
It's a huge transition to go from dancer form for plies, turned out and parallel, which calls for weight over toes and an upright pelvis to squats. I have it nailed now but boy is a full plie different from an ATG squat. I'm awesome at sumo squats though.6 -
Ah well, I guess the full thickness ulceration of the cartilage in my left knee means that my squats will never count. I'll just give up now.11
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Ah, exercise shaming...also, I shall let my physiotherapist know that she's wasting my time having me do squats as part of my therapy to correct my patello-femoral joint issues. And here was us thinking that was working to restrengthen my glutes and quads...13
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Same thing with the knees and front lunges, my knees feel horrible. Reverse are better. You should work within your body physiology and safety levels, not some arbitrarily defined "only ATG counts" bro definition.7
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VeronicaA76 wrote: »My unpopular opinion:
When it comes to any weight training, unless it's at Olympic qualify form, it doesn't count. Especially with squats, not to full depth, not a squat. I know a lot of people that will argue that anything past parallel is a squat, I just won't count that for me.
Making sure form is perfect is a whole lot more important than any weight on the bar to me.
I'd take a 500# squat at parallel over one of your "perfect form" squats with the bar only. lol9 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Ah, exercise shaming...also, I shall let my physiotherapist know that she's wasting my time having me do squats as part of my therapy to correct my patello-femoral joint issues. And here was us thinking that was working to restrengthen my glutes and quads...
Ooooh. *pricks up ears* Is it working?0 -
HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Ah, exercise shaming...also, I shall let my physiotherapist know that she's wasting my time having me do squats as part of my therapy to correct my patello-femoral joint issues. And here was us thinking that was working to restrengthen my glutes and quads...
Ooooh. *pricks up ears* Is it working?
Yep! I have a list of things to do now, we've been adding more each week as my knee's improved. I'd slacked off strength training at the end of last year, then munted my knee a couple of months ago doing a mountain hike
. Quad and glute strength are apparently the key (for me anyway) to getting that pesky joint to track properly. Even though my strength and flexibility were still better than the average bear's at the time, my left leg was (and still is) weaker and less flexible than the right, which is what caused the problem.
If you're having patello-femoral joint issues I highly recommend seeing a physio.3 -
Oh it's gotta be just a pic taken there. We've been informed that she ONLY works out at the University under some sort of grant. I still have yet to know which University actually does this for people who aren't athletes in their programs though. Wished she'd tell me which because I've contacted 5 of them so far in Texas and no go.
Wait wait wait. Remember it's at a University being wired to electro cardiograms and indirect calorimeter for 2 hours no less. So there's got to be some sort of Olympic coach there watching the lift even with all that stuff in the way.VeronicaA76 wrote: »My unpopular opinion:
When it comes to any weight training, unless it's at Olympic qualify form, it doesn't count. Especially with squats, not to full depth, not a squat. I know a lot of people that will argue that anything past parallel is a squat, I just won't count that for me.
Making sure form is perfect is a whole lot more important than any weight on the bar to me.
What are your qualifications to be an expert in olympic style squat form. Are there trainers that teach that at the Anytime Fitness where you go? I used to go to one and there were no olympic trainers there but i know they vary from location to location. Olympic lifts are a specialized field though.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
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But the avatar photo was taken at Anytime Fitness. That is why people are asking
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Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Silly me, I didn't notice it was that poster. Profile pic / name change worked on me, at least. I'm not surprised she has no idea what she's talking about.
Oh, and they don't squat in the Olympics. So, I guess that means any squat should be acceptable. Or none at all. I'm confused.*
* Oh, wait - no, I'm not the one confused.16 -
I, too, was curious as to how one could have "Olympic qualify form" in a lift that isn't even an Olympic lift, but that's already been addressed. It's not an Olympic lift. Carry on.13
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Ah, exercise shaming...also, I shall let my physiotherapist know that she's wasting my time having me do squats as part of my therapy to correct my patello-femoral joint issues. And here was us thinking that was working to restrengthen my glutes and quads...
Ooooh. *pricks up ears* Is it working?
Yep! I have a list of things to do now, we've been adding more each week as my knee's improved. I'd slacked off strength training at the end of last year, then munted my knee a couple of months ago doing a mountain hike. Quad and glute strength are apparently the key (for me anyway) to getting that pesky joint to track properly. Even though my strength and flexibility were still better than the average bear's at the time, my left leg was (and still is) weaker and less flexible than the right, which is what caused the problem.
If you're having patello-femoral joint issues I highly recommend seeing a physio.
I've mentioned many times on the boards that I have two forms of arthritis and my knees are terrible. So are many of my other joints.
My main love is running, and strength training supports that love.
I can't squat to full depth, I don't have the right build for it, but squatting parallel with good form has done so much for my joint pain while running. So has deadlifting. Runners are really quad dominant and getting some much needed balance by building up my hamstrings has been really helpful.10 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Ah, exercise shaming...also, I shall let my physiotherapist know that she's wasting my time having me do squats as part of my therapy to correct my patello-femoral joint issues. And here was us thinking that was working to restrengthen my glutes and quads...
Ooooh. *pricks up ears* Is it working?
Yep! I have a list of things to do now, we've been adding more each week as my knee's improved. I'd slacked off strength training at the end of last year, then munted my knee a couple of months ago doing a mountain hike. Quad and glute strength are apparently the key (for me anyway) to getting that pesky joint to track properly. Even though my strength and flexibility were still better than the average bear's at the time, my left leg was (and still is) weaker and less flexible than the right, which is what caused the problem.
If you're having patello-femoral joint issues I highly recommend seeing a physio.
I've mentioned many times on the boards that I have two forms of arthritis and my knees are terrible. So are many of my other joints.
My main love is running, and strength training supports that love.
I can't squat to full depth, I don't have the right build for it, but squatting parallel with good form has done so much for my joint pain while running. So has deadlifting. Runners are really quad dominant and getting some much needed balance by building up my hamstrings has been really helpful.
Yeah, needless to say, I am not currently running. Hopefully I'll have the all clear to start again soon. Over last summer (southern hemisphere), I was hiking heaps, up and down some pretty gnarly trails, and had no issues with my knees, or my dodgy hip, because I'd gotten my strength to a good place. And then I let it all slip away...2 -
jseams1234 wrote: »VeronicaA76 wrote: »My unpopular opinion:
When it comes to any weight training, unless it's at Olympic qualify form, it doesn't count. Especially with squats, not to full depth, not a squat. I know a lot of people that will argue that anything past parallel is a squat, I just won't count that for me.
Making sure form is perfect is a whole lot more important than any weight on the bar to me.
I'd take a 500# squat at parallel over one of your "perfect form" squats with the bar only. lol
Hmm, wonder why I would post this as an unpopular opinion?7 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »Ah well, I guess the full thickness ulceration of the cartilage in my left knee means that my squats will never count. I'll just give up now.
I said I don't count them for myself. That's it. Also, you have a completely medical reason for having a limit on range of motion. Medical reason are always exceptions to every "rule".3 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Ah, exercise shaming...also, I shall let my physiotherapist know that she's wasting my time having me do squats as part of my therapy to correct my patello-femoral joint issues. And here was us thinking that was working to restrengthen my glutes and quads...
I said I don't count them for myself. That's it. It's a standard I hold myself to, not other people. With others, as long as you do your best, that's amazing and should be congratulated. I understand that many people have a limit on thier knees, ankles, hips, it's not uncommon. One of my best friends is a runner, she doesn't consider it "running" until she's cruising a 6 min/mile, but that's her standard, for herself. I've never even gotten close to holding that kind of pace for anything longer than 100 meters.4 -
VeronicaA76 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »VeronicaA76 wrote: »My unpopular opinion:
When it comes to any weight training, unless it's at Olympic qualify form, it doesn't count. Especially with squats, not to full depth, not a squat. I know a lot of people that will argue that anything past parallel is a squat, I just won't count that for me.
Making sure form is perfect is a whole lot more important than any weight on the bar to me.
I'd take a 500# squat at parallel over one of your "perfect form" squats with the bar only. lol
Hmm, wonder why I would post this as an unpopular opinion?
So, how do you do squats with Olympic form if it's not even included in Olympic lifting events? And I'm confused about your situation. Do you work out at Anytime as your profile pic indicates or are you affiliated with some University in Texas?2 -
VeronicaA76 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »VeronicaA76 wrote: »My unpopular opinion:
When it comes to any weight training, unless it's at Olympic qualify form, it doesn't count. Especially with squats, not to full depth, not a squat. I know a lot of people that will argue that anything past parallel is a squat, I just won't count that for me.
Making sure form is perfect is a whole lot more important than any weight on the bar to me.
I'd take a 500# squat at parallel over one of your "perfect form" squats with the bar only. lol
Hmm, wonder why I would post this as an unpopular opinion?
So, how do you do squats with Olympic form if it's not even included in Olympic lifting events? And I'm confused about your situation. Do you work out at Anytime as your profile pic indicates or are you affiliated with some University in Texas?
I attend University, I work out at mostly Anytime. The University althetic center is usually packed. I was a human lab rat for two weeks in exchange for 1/2 my tuition paid, grad school ain't cheap.
I meant that I drop as to where my hamstring touch my calves.1 -
VeronicaA76 wrote: »VeronicaA76 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »VeronicaA76 wrote: »My unpopular opinion:
When it comes to any weight training, unless it's at Olympic qualify form, it doesn't count. Especially with squats, not to full depth, not a squat. I know a lot of people that will argue that anything past parallel is a squat, I just won't count that for me.
Making sure form is perfect is a whole lot more important than any weight on the bar to me.
I'd take a 500# squat at parallel over one of your "perfect form" squats with the bar only. lol
Hmm, wonder why I would post this as an unpopular opinion?
So, how do you do squats with Olympic form if it's not even included in Olympic lifting events? And I'm confused about your situation. Do you work out at Anytime as your profile pic indicates or are you affiliated with some University in Texas?
I attend University, I work out at mostly Anytime. The University althetic center is usually packed. I was a human lab rat for two weeks in exchange for 1/2 my tuition paid, grad school ain't cheap.
I meant that I drop as to where my hamstring touch my calves.
So how is that "olympic" when squats aren't an Olympic lift? Confused here? You've seemed to have spun a couple of different stories that don't make sense. What University pays 1/2 tuition for 2 weeks of working out? I'd like to enroll.6 -
VeronicaA76 wrote: »VeronicaA76 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »VeronicaA76 wrote: »My unpopular opinion:
When it comes to any weight training, unless it's at Olympic qualify form, it doesn't count. Especially with squats, not to full depth, not a squat. I know a lot of people that will argue that anything past parallel is a squat, I just won't count that for me.
Making sure form is perfect is a whole lot more important than any weight on the bar to me.
I'd take a 500# squat at parallel over one of your "perfect form" squats with the bar only. lol
Hmm, wonder why I would post this as an unpopular opinion?
So, how do you do squats with Olympic form if it's not even included in Olympic lifting events? And I'm confused about your situation. Do you work out at Anytime as your profile pic indicates or are you affiliated with some University in Texas?
I attend University, I work out at mostly Anytime. The University althetic center is usually packed. I was a human lab rat for two weeks in exchange for 1/2 my tuition paid, grad school ain't cheap.
I meant that I drop as to where my hamstring touch my calves.
Wait. I thought you were part of a longterm study where they had you bulk and cut?
You are consistently changing your story.
And a 6 minute mile? Now that is close to Olympic levels of athlete. Quite some company you keep.9 -
VintageFeline wrote: »VeronicaA76 wrote: »VeronicaA76 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »VeronicaA76 wrote: »My unpopular opinion:
When it comes to any weight training, unless it's at Olympic qualify form, it doesn't count. Especially with squats, not to full depth, not a squat. I know a lot of people that will argue that anything past parallel is a squat, I just won't count that for me.
Making sure form is perfect is a whole lot more important than any weight on the bar to me.
I'd take a 500# squat at parallel over one of your "perfect form" squats with the bar only. lol
Hmm, wonder why I would post this as an unpopular opinion?
So, how do you do squats with Olympic form if it's not even included in Olympic lifting events? And I'm confused about your situation. Do you work out at Anytime as your profile pic indicates or are you affiliated with some University in Texas?
I attend University, I work out at mostly Anytime. The University althetic center is usually packed. I was a human lab rat for two weeks in exchange for 1/2 my tuition paid, grad school ain't cheap.
I meant that I drop as to where my hamstring touch my calves.
Wait. I thought you were part of a longterm study where they had you bulk and cut?
You are consistently changing your story.
And a 6 minute mile? Now that is close to Olympic levels of athlete. Quite some company you keep.
No, I work with a trainer long term.
Studies are short term programs. Some are long, but those are generally for medication studies. Mine was 14 days.
She's barely hitting 6 for a 10k, she's a long way off to even being able to barely qualify, let alone make the team. Now a marathon, she might hit qualifying times on a good day, a really good day. But, a lot of people hit qualifying times, very few make the team and it's a huge commitment to enter something that you need to basically quit your job for, or at least convive your employer to have massive time off.1 -
Ah, I have, kind of. Therein lies the small dilemma. I had gradually worsening knee pain for an embarrassingly long time (as in, if anyone else reported the same symptoms to me over the same timescale, my screeches of "go to the bloody doctor, you muppet" would be heard across the Atlantic). After months of private hypochondria and Dr Google, I went to the doctor who showed me a model of a knee, told me the diagnosis (which, needless to say, was not any of the things I'd worried myself sick about), gave me exercises for it, and told me to go to the practice physio if they didn't work.Nony_Mouse wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Ah, exercise shaming...also, I shall let my physiotherapist know that she's wasting my time having me do squats as part of my therapy to correct my patello-femoral joint issues. And here was us thinking that was working to restrengthen my glutes and quads...
Ooooh. *pricks up ears* Is it working?
Yep! I have a list of things to do now, we've been adding more each week as my knee's improved. I'd slacked off strength training at the end of last year, then munted my knee a couple of months ago doing a mountain hike. Quad and glute strength are apparently the key (for me anyway) to getting that pesky joint to track properly. Even though my strength and flexibility were still better than the average bear's at the time, my left leg was (and still is) weaker and less flexible than the right, which is what caused the problem.
If you're having patello-femoral joint issues I highly recommend seeing a physio.
Well, they ARE working. Brilliantly. I've gone from my knee collapsing under me regularly (as in three times on the short walk between my house and the doctors' surgery in May) plus knee pain which was getting more and more constant, to complete stability. It's so stable, that I've finally been able to start Cto5K, which was on my list of stuff to try this year. I've just got in from one of the runs right now, in fact!
Buuuuut I'm still getting occasional lower-key aches in the same place during runs and after other high impact cardio. This could mean I need a more specialised assessment, so I could go to the physio. But suppose it's just that I haven't been doing the other exercises for long enough/consistently enough? It's exactly three months since I got them, and I have slacked off on it a few times. It would be really embarrassing to take up a valuable NHS physio slot unnecessarily,
and I can't afford a private consult.
At the moment, I'm planning to do the exercises really consistently until September, and then reassess.
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