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It perhaps will help to focus back on the comment that people were responding to.scythianlady wrote: »I think vegetarians are pushing their luck, and vegans are playing Russian roulette with their health.
Vegetarians and vegans were accused of eating unhealthfully, and "playing Russian roulette with their health," so of course that someone is really healthy eating that way is responsive, and does not suggest that omnivores are unhealthy (there are threads on MFP where people say such things, basically all threads on that silly recent movie with Michael Greger et al., but no one said that here).6 -
Go figure. Unpopular opinions are exactly that.2
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lemurcat12 wrote: »It perhaps will help to focus back on the comment that people were responding to.scythianlady wrote: »I think vegetarians are pushing their luck, and vegans are playing Russian roulette with their health.
Vegetarians and vegans were accused of eating unhealthfully, and "playing Russian roulette with their health," so of course that someone is really healthy eating that way is responsive, and does not suggest that omnivores are unhealthy (there are threads on MFP where people say such things, basically all threads on that silly recent movie with Michael Greger et al., but no one said that here).
I'd like to note that every regular veggie/vegan poster forum poster roundly derides that Greger movie and goes into the threads on it to argue against the nonsense it promotes.10 -
haha. There is a lot of woo-ing going on,
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »It perhaps will help to focus back on the comment that people were responding to.scythianlady wrote: »I think vegetarians are pushing their luck, and vegans are playing Russian roulette with their health.
Vegetarians and vegans were accused of eating unhealthfully, and "playing Russian roulette with their health," so of course that someone is really healthy eating that way is responsive, and does not suggest that omnivores are unhealthy (there are threads on MFP where people say such things, basically all threads on that silly recent movie with Michael Greger et al., but no one said that here).
I'd like to note that every regular veggie/vegan poster forum poster roundly derides that Greger movie and goes into the threads on it to argue against the nonsense it promotes.
Oh, I definitely know that.0 -
cmriverside wrote: »Go figure. Unpopular opinions are exactly that.
Of course, but people's responses were being misconstrued, so I wanted to clarify by showing what they were responding to/why they were posting. Not sure why you'd have a problem with that, but eh.
The poster clearly was intending to make a controversial statement, and said as much at the end of her post (I didn't quote the whole thing).0 -
Flexible dieting lol1
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »scythianlady wrote: »I think vegetarians are pushing their luck, and vegans are playing Russian roulette with their health.
Also, anyone thinking of going vegan should be required to take a nutrition class.
Anyone asking about a low carb vegan diet (I've seen that question asked on another thread) should be required to take a remedial nutrition class.
Finally, anyone raising children and requiring them to be vegan needs to have social services called on them.
It's a little chilly in my house tonight. I'll go back to lurking and let the incoming flames keep me warm.
43 years of vegetarian near-roulette so far: At age 61, healthier & stronger than most of my age-mates, I'm feelin' pretty good about my future odds.
No flames, though.
not sure if the choice in foods aka being a vegetarian would be the main cause of the healthier you.
There are more omnivores that are your age that are as healthy if not healthier but it's not being touted that it has anything to do with their choice to eat meat.
Don't get me wrong...I have no issue with veganism or vegetarianism at all just wouldn't go as far to say they it's better.
None of us are saying it's better, we were disagreeing with the person who said we're pushing our luck. Ann used her own peer group as an illustration that long-term vegetarianism hasn't led to any dire health consequences for her.
I got that and didn't say anyone was saying they were saying they were better....
but the way it was phrased can be taken the way I did....that being a vegetarian has an advantage over omnivores as far as "health" .
No health advantage to vegetarianism IMO, and I've said so many times on "should I go veg" threads around here. This, despite studies that show an advantage - too darn many clean-livin' Seventh Day Adventists in those study populations.
As someone may've said around here sometime, "not what I meant, just how you're reading it".
and even if it was meant that way who cares...?
Well . . . I care whether what I write is perceived as I meant it. If it isn't, that's feedback that I've not communicated optimally. An opportunity for improvement, since communication is my goal. It takes two, but I only control one of them8 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »scythianlady wrote: »I think vegetarians are pushing their luck, and vegans are playing Russian roulette with their health.
Also, anyone thinking of going vegan should be required to take a nutrition class.
Anyone asking about a low carb vegan diet (I've seen that question asked on another thread) should be required to take a remedial nutrition class.
Finally, anyone raising children and requiring them to be vegan needs to have social services called on them.
It's a little chilly in my house tonight. I'll go back to lurking and let the incoming flames keep me warm.
43 years of vegetarian near-roulette so far: At age 61, healthier & stronger than most of my age-mates, I'm feelin' pretty good about my future odds.
No flames, though.
not sure if the choice in foods aka being a vegetarian would be the main cause of the healthier you.
There are more omnivores that are your age that are as healthy if not healthier but it's not being touted that it has anything to do with their choice to eat meat.
Don't get me wrong...I have no issue with veganism or vegetarianism at all just wouldn't go as far to say they it's better.
None of us are saying it's better, we were disagreeing with the person who said we're pushing our luck. Ann used her own peer group as an illustration that long-term vegetarianism hasn't led to any dire health consequences for her.
I got that and didn't say anyone was saying they were saying they were better....
but the way it was phrased can be taken the way I did....that being a vegetarian has an advantage over omnivores as far as "health" .
No health advantage to vegetarianism IMO, and I've said so many times on "should I go veg" threads around here. This, despite studies that show an advantage - too darn many clean-livin' Seventh Day Adventists in those study populations.
As someone may've said around here sometime, "not what I meant, just how you're reading it".
and even if it was meant that way who cares...?
Well . . . I care whether what I write is perceived as I meant it. If it isn't, that's feedback that I've not communicated optimally. An opportunity for improvement, since communication is my goal. It takes two, but I only control one of them
I think most of the time far too much is read into what people write but of course I understand your point...3 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »scythianlady wrote: »I think vegetarians are pushing their luck, and vegans are playing Russian roulette with their health.
Also, anyone thinking of going vegan should be required to take a nutrition class.
Anyone asking about a low carb vegan diet (I've seen that question asked on another thread) should be required to take a remedial nutrition class.
Finally, anyone raising children and requiring them to be vegan needs to have social services called on them.
It's a little chilly in my house tonight. I'll go back to lurking and let the incoming flames keep me warm.
43 years of vegetarian near-roulette so far: At age 61, healthier & stronger than most of my age-mates, I'm feelin' pretty good about my future odds.
No flames, though.
not sure if the choice in foods aka being a vegetarian would be the main cause of the healthier you.
There are more omnivores that are your age that are as healthy if not healthier but it's not being touted that it has anything to do with their choice to eat meat.
Don't get me wrong...I have no issue with veganism or vegetarianism at all just wouldn't go as far to say they it's better.
None of us are saying it's better, we were disagreeing with the person who said we're pushing our luck. Ann used her own peer group as an illustration that long-term vegetarianism hasn't led to any dire health consequences for her.
I got that and didn't say anyone was saying they were saying they were better....
but the way it was phrased can be taken the way I did....that being a vegetarian has an advantage over omnivores as far as "health" .
No health advantage to vegetarianism IMO, and I've said so many times on "should I go veg" threads around here. This, despite studies that show an advantage - too darn many clean-livin' Seventh Day Adventists in those study populations.
As someone may've said around here sometime, "not what I meant, just how you're reading it".
and even if it was meant that way who cares...?
Well . . . I care whether what I write is perceived as I meant it. If it isn't, that's feedback that I've not communicated optimally. An opportunity for improvement, since communication is my goal. It takes two, but I only control one of them
I don't think you were trying to say you are better, but in a way your original statement did come across as you are healthier because of X (in this case X is vegetarian)
along with defending being a vegetarian is playing roulette (which I too agree is incorrect as far as choosing to be a vegetarian, no more so than omnivores are playing the same game)
*including original quote I responded to in order to hopefully avoid an further cloudiness on what happened in this particular part...43 years of vegetarian near-roulette so far: At age 61, healthier & stronger than most of my age-mates I'm feelin' pretty good about my future odds.
ps I don't see an issue with being a vegetarian/vegan as far as health goes
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »scythianlady wrote: »I think vegetarians are pushing their luck, and vegans are playing Russian roulette with their health.
Also, anyone thinking of going vegan should be required to take a nutrition class.
Anyone asking about a low carb vegan diet (I've seen that question asked on another thread) should be required to take a remedial nutrition class.
Finally, anyone raising children and requiring them to be vegan needs to have social services called on them.
It's a little chilly in my house tonight. I'll go back to lurking and let the incoming flames keep me warm.
43 years of vegetarian near-roulette so far: At age 61, healthier & stronger than most of my age-mates, I'm feelin' pretty good about my future odds.
No flames, though.
not sure if the choice in foods aka being a vegetarian would be the main cause of the healthier you.
There are more omnivores that are your age that are as healthy if not healthier but it's not being touted that it has anything to do with their choice to eat meat.
Don't get me wrong...I have no issue with veganism or vegetarianism at all just wouldn't go as far to say they it's better.
None of us are saying it's better, we were disagreeing with the person who said we're pushing our luck. Ann used her own peer group as an illustration that long-term vegetarianism hasn't led to any dire health consequences for her.
I got that and didn't say anyone was saying they were saying they were better....
but the way it was phrased can be taken the way I did....that being a vegetarian has an advantage over omnivores as far as "health" .
No health advantage to vegetarianism IMO, and I've said so many times on "should I go veg" threads around here. This, despite studies that show an advantage - too darn many clean-livin' Seventh Day Adventists in those study populations.
As someone may've said around here sometime, "not what I meant, just how you're reading it".
and even if it was meant that way who cares...?
Well . . . I care whether what I write is perceived as I meant it. If it isn't, that's feedback that I've not communicated optimally. An opportunity for improvement, since communication is my goal. It takes two, but I only control one of them
I think most of the time far too much is read into what people write but of course I understand your point...
I try not to read into anything (tone or other) and read the words as they are written as I have been accused far too many times of "tone" that is mean or judgemental when in fact it's not...
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scythianlady wrote: »I think vegetarians are pushing their luck, and vegans are playing Russian roulette with their health.
Also, anyone thinking of going vegan should be required to take a nutrition class.
Anyone asking about a low carb vegan diet (I've seen that question asked on another thread) should be required to take a remedial nutrition class.
Finally, anyone raising children and requiring them to be vegan needs to have social services called on them.
It's a little chilly in my house tonight. I'll go back to lurking and let the incoming flames keep me warm.
Is this based on any actual studies of vegetarian and vegan health outcomes or just a random unsupported opinion?
And how would you enforce vegans being required to take a nutrition class? Is the thought that one of my co-workers or neighbors will call some governmental hotline when they see me turn down ice cream or a hot dog one too many times and I get whisked away for reeducation?12 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »scythianlady wrote: »
How so?
I'm vegetarian, have been for over 20 years. I'm pretty darn healthy. It's not difficult to meet your nutritional requirements being vegetarian or vegan, though yes, some research to ensure you're doing that is always a good idea (though a nutrition class is OTT). Pretty sure you can also be a low carb vegan safely.
You can also raise children as vegans quite safely, so long as you are aware of meeting nutritional needs, so no need to call social services just because you disagree with someone else's ethical beliefs.
Cats, on the other hand, should never, ever be made to be vegan. They are obligate carnivores. If you don't want to feed your cat meat, don't get one.What would a low carb vegan eat? No sarcasm here. I am genuinely curious.
Calling social services was a bit of hyperbole on my part. I also find it interesting that you immediately jumped to veganism being an ethical decision. I think vegans take up their lifestyles for the most noble reasons, I just don't think it is nutrionaly sound. There are ways to make an omnivorous diet environmentally sustainable as well as humane.
Not vegan, but tofu, tempeh, pea protein powder off the top of my head for protein. There are likely other things, but since I don't eat them, I don't know their macros. Leafy greens are low carb. Of course it depends how low we're talking. The low carbers tell me I'd be classed as low carb, so if I subbed out my massive amounts of dairy for non animal proteins, and was willing to drop my protein intake (which is well above standard minimum requirements), I think it would be plenty doable.
As to why I 'jumped' to veganism being an ethical decision, that's simply because that is still probably the primary reason why people choose it. Or at least it was, before crappy documentaries like 'What the Health'.
You still haven't answered why you don't think vegetarianisn/veganism are nutritionally sound. Can't really debate something if all you'll say is 'because I don't'.
I find it fascinating that the person who declared vegans should be required to take nutrition classes was unaware of lower carbohydrate protein sources that are available to vegans.6 -
sheepingly wrote: »Flexible dieting lol
Does this mean that your unpopular opinion is thinking flexible dieting is amusing?
Or that you think flexible dieting is good and that will be an unpopular opinion, and that's amusing?1 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »sheepingly wrote: »Flexible dieting lol
Does this mean that your unpopular opinion is thinking flexible dieting is amusing?
Or that you think flexible dieting is good and that will be an unpopular opinion, and that's amusing?
I was wondering the same.0 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »scythianlady wrote: »I think vegetarians are pushing their luck, and vegans are playing Russian roulette with their health.
Also, anyone thinking of going vegan should be required to take a nutrition class.
Anyone asking about a low carb vegan diet (I've seen that question asked on another thread) should be required to take a remedial nutrition class.
Finally, anyone raising children and requiring them to be vegan needs to have social services called on them.
It's a little chilly in my house tonight. I'll go back to lurking and let the incoming flames keep me warm.
43 years of vegetarian near-roulette so far: At age 61, healthier & stronger than most of my age-mates, I'm feelin' pretty good about my future odds.
No flames, though.
not sure if the choice in foods aka being a vegetarian would be the main cause of the healthier you.
There are more omnivores that are your age that are as healthy if not healthier but it's not being touted that it has anything to do with their choice to eat meat.
Don't get me wrong...I have no issue with veganism or vegetarianism at all just wouldn't go as far to say they it's better.
None of us are saying it's better, we were disagreeing with the person who said we're pushing our luck. Ann used her own peer group as an illustration that long-term vegetarianism hasn't led to any dire health consequences for her.
I got that and didn't say anyone was saying they were saying they were better....
but the way it was phrased can be taken the way I did....that being a vegetarian has an advantage over omnivores as far as "health" .
No health advantage to vegetarianism IMO, and I've said so many times on "should I go veg" threads around here. This, despite studies that show an advantage - too darn many clean-livin' Seventh Day Adventists in those study populations.
As someone may've said around here sometime, "not what I meant, just how you're reading it".
and even if it was meant that way who cares...?
Well . . . I care whether what I write is perceived as I meant it. If it isn't, that's feedback that I've not communicated optimally. An opportunity for improvement, since communication is my goal. It takes two, but I only control one of them
I don't think you were trying to say you are better, but in a way your original statement did come across as you are healthier because of X (in this case X is vegetarian)
along with defending being a vegetarian is playing roulette (which I too agree is incorrect as far as choosing to be a vegetarian, no more so than omnivores are playing the same game)
*including original quote I responded to in order to hopefully avoid an further cloudiness on what happened in this particular part...43 years of vegetarian near-roulette so far: At age 61, healthier & stronger than most of my age-mates I'm feelin' pretty good about my future odds.
ps I don't see an issue with being a vegetarian/vegan as far as health goes
That's really selective picking there because it's a deliberate losing of the context which the following words clarified *healthier and stronger....than most of my age-mates* which I took 100% to mean that her dietary choices were the very opposite of roulette.7 -
VintageFeline wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »scythianlady wrote: »I think vegetarians are pushing their luck, and vegans are playing Russian roulette with their health.
Also, anyone thinking of going vegan should be required to take a nutrition class.
Anyone asking about a low carb vegan diet (I've seen that question asked on another thread) should be required to take a remedial nutrition class.
Finally, anyone raising children and requiring them to be vegan needs to have social services called on them.
It's a little chilly in my house tonight. I'll go back to lurking and let the incoming flames keep me warm.
43 years of vegetarian near-roulette so far: At age 61, healthier & stronger than most of my age-mates, I'm feelin' pretty good about my future odds.
No flames, though.
not sure if the choice in foods aka being a vegetarian would be the main cause of the healthier you.
There are more omnivores that are your age that are as healthy if not healthier but it's not being touted that it has anything to do with their choice to eat meat.
Don't get me wrong...I have no issue with veganism or vegetarianism at all just wouldn't go as far to say they it's better.
None of us are saying it's better, we were disagreeing with the person who said we're pushing our luck. Ann used her own peer group as an illustration that long-term vegetarianism hasn't led to any dire health consequences for her.
I got that and didn't say anyone was saying they were saying they were better....
but the way it was phrased can be taken the way I did....that being a vegetarian has an advantage over omnivores as far as "health" .
No health advantage to vegetarianism IMO, and I've said so many times on "should I go veg" threads around here. This, despite studies that show an advantage - too darn many clean-livin' Seventh Day Adventists in those study populations.
As someone may've said around here sometime, "not what I meant, just how you're reading it".
and even if it was meant that way who cares...?
Well . . . I care whether what I write is perceived as I meant it. If it isn't, that's feedback that I've not communicated optimally. An opportunity for improvement, since communication is my goal. It takes two, but I only control one of them
I don't think you were trying to say you are better, but in a way your original statement did come across as you are healthier because of X (in this case X is vegetarian)
along with defending being a vegetarian is playing roulette (which I too agree is incorrect as far as choosing to be a vegetarian, no more so than omnivores are playing the same game)
*including original quote I responded to in order to hopefully avoid an further cloudiness on what happened in this particular part...43 years of vegetarian near-roulette so far: At age 61, healthier & stronger than most of my age-mates I'm feelin' pretty good about my future odds.
ps I don't see an issue with being a vegetarian/vegan as far as health goes
That's really selective picking there because it's a deliberate losing of the context which the following words clarified *healthier and stronger....than most of my age-mates* which I took 100% to mean that her dietary choices were the very opposite of roulette.
not in my view it wasn't selective picking, but if I had seen "I am healthier and stronger than most of my age mates and I chose the vegetarian-roulette 43 years ago *wink wink*" I probably wouldn't have seen it as I did either...
being healthier and stronger is not just a choice of "diet" so that imo should have come first...pretty simple in my mind. In Ann's case she is healthier and stronger because she chooses what she feels is healthy food and exercise and living.
People don't have to see it the way I did...it's not really a huge deal is it? (almost a page of comments on it so it's apparently bigger than I thought)
if someone takes the post one way but it was meant another way and it's then clarified by the writer...*shrugs*
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apparently after my gaff today - apparently its an unpopular opinion that a cupcake or muffin can meet daily nutritional goals11
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