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amusedmonkey wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »There was this one fruit cake that my father ordered one time way back in the day from Swiss Colony Farms (does anyone else remember them?) that had dried fruit instead of candied, and the batter was light instead of dark, and the fruit was tropical. There wasn't booze involved either.
It was really tasty, and probably not what anyone who is really into fruitcake (like my Nan was) would call an actual fruitcake.
I've never had actual fruitcake. My mother loved it. I took one look at those green candied fruits in it and noped right out of even trying it. And I was the type of kid who would try anything.
Wait, fruitcake has candied fruits? I didn't know that. Maybe I'm talking about something different? We make it with dried fruits soaked in some kind of spirit for a few days (Disaronno this time), the cake batter is baked on low heat for 3 hours, then the same alcohol is poured on the cake and it "marinades" for a month in foil, brushed occasionally with more alcohol. I don't usually like alcohol, but "edible alcohol" is quite alright. Easter bread has candied fruits, but I never thought of it as fruitcake (has yeast). Interesting. That one is very tasty, too. I don't understand the hate for either kind.
ETA: just asked mom and it does include candied cherries in the dried fruit mix, so yes, we must be talking about the same thing. Still love it, don't care what anyone says.
I love fruit cake too... With lots of glacé cherries (only red. Green? Blergh)
I used to make fruit cakes every year with my mum at Christmas - we'd wrap them and keep them for Easter time. The first time I was responsible for the periodical "spiking" with extra brandy, I used so much (by accident) that I wasn't allowed to eat it due to how boozy it was.
I never get round to it these days - my favourite recipe requires soaking fruit for weeks, and should probably be started in August. I always forget...2 -
livingleanlivingclean wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »There was this one fruit cake that my father ordered one time way back in the day from Swiss Colony Farms (does anyone else remember them?) that had dried fruit instead of candied, and the batter was light instead of dark, and the fruit was tropical. There wasn't booze involved either.
It was really tasty, and probably not what anyone who is really into fruitcake (like my Nan was) would call an actual fruitcake.
I've never had actual fruitcake. My mother loved it. I took one look at those green candied fruits in it and noped right out of even trying it. And I was the type of kid who would try anything.
Wait, fruitcake has candied fruits? I didn't know that. Maybe I'm talking about something different? We make it with dried fruits soaked in some kind of spirit for a few days (Disaronno this time), the cake batter is baked on low heat for 3 hours, then the same alcohol is poured on the cake and it "marinades" for a month in foil, brushed occasionally with more alcohol. I don't usually like alcohol, but "edible alcohol" is quite alright. Easter bread has candied fruits, but I never thought of it as fruitcake (has yeast). Interesting. That one is very tasty, too. I don't understand the hate for either kind.
ETA: just asked mom and it does include candied cherries in the dried fruit mix, so yes, we must be talking about the same thing. Still love it, don't care what anyone says.
I love fruit cake too... With lots of glacé cherries (only red. Green? Blergh)
I used to make fruit cakes every year with my mum at Christmas - we'd wrap them and keep them for Easter time. The first time I was responsible for the periodical "spiking" with extra brandy, I used so much (by accident) that I wasn't allowed to eat it due to how boozy it was.
I never get round to it these days - my favourite recipe requires soaking fruit for weeks, and should probably be started in August. I always forget...
We only soak fruits for about 10 days and start working on the cake mid october. We make it for the purpose of having edible booze. This is how much went into it, no apologies (the bottle was full):
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Literally.Alatariel75 wrote: »I like fruitcake *ducks*
I believe it is a traditional wedding cake because it holds up so well.
You can even plonk two other cakes on a fruit cake without it caving in under the weight. Try that on a chocolate sponge!
The way it won't go stale and will taste like it should after you've made the other tiers and iced them is just a bonus.
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HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Literally.Alatariel75 wrote: »I like fruitcake *ducks*
I believe it is a traditional wedding cake because it holds up so well.
You can even plonk two other cakes on a fruit cake without it caving in under the weight. Try that on a chocolate sponge!
The way it won't go stale and will taste like it should after you've made the other tiers and iced them is just a bonus.
Back in my hospitality days i worked a VERY swanky wedding. While the wedding was happening on the terrace and we were putting the final touches on the reception, the 3 tier chocolate wedding cake collapsed under its own weight.0 -
I mostly like fruitcake, but if one wants it to be really decadent-good, it's important that it omit those ucky commercial fake-dyed candied fruit in favor of homemade actual candied delicious fruit. And lovingly bathe it in alcohol for weeks, of course.
I don't really understand why @Tacklewasher wants to shoot those of us who so generously and selflessly volunteered for the Fruitcake Disposal Squad, though.
I'll send you all the fruitcake my aunt kindly insists on gifting me with each Christmas.
Every year it's a case of 'you really shouldn't have..." 2 -
Oh my...Alatariel75 wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Literally.Alatariel75 wrote: »I like fruitcake *ducks*
I believe it is a traditional wedding cake because it holds up so well.
You can even plonk two other cakes on a fruit cake without it caving in under the weight. Try that on a chocolate sponge!
The way it won't go stale and will taste like it should after you've made the other tiers and iced them is just a bonus.
Back in my hospitality days i worked a VERY swanky wedding. While the wedding was happening on the terrace and we were putting the final touches on the reception, the 3 tier chocolate wedding cake collapsed under its own weight.
How did the happy couple cope with that?
Shoulda gone with fruit cake
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HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Oh my...Alatariel75 wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Literally.Alatariel75 wrote: »I like fruitcake *ducks*
I believe it is a traditional wedding cake because it holds up so well.
You can even plonk two other cakes on a fruit cake without it caving in under the weight. Try that on a chocolate sponge!
The way it won't go stale and will taste like it should after you've made the other tiers and iced them is just a bonus.
Back in my hospitality days i worked a VERY swanky wedding. While the wedding was happening on the terrace and we were putting the final touches on the reception, the 3 tier chocolate wedding cake collapsed under its own weight. How did the happy couple cope with that?
Shoulda gone with fruit cake
It was a 3 tier circular cake, and the bottom tier collapsed. Due to the number of people, there was a rectangular cake out the back to be cut so there were enough servings. Head chef transferred the 2 top tiers to the rectangle cake and fridged it right up until it came out for the presentation and cutting. Bride was upset but grateful we fixed it, and the cake-maker went on the venue's blacklist.1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »
ANYONE WHO GIVES FRUITCAKE SHOULD BE LINED UP AND SHOT.
Anyone who disagrees with this should also be lined up and shot.
We do not need a fruitcake culture. Those things are evil.
what about gumdrop cake?????
I'd never heard of that before and I just looked it up. It looks amazing!
it actually really is...my gram made it every year...it was a dense white cake with those gum drops...no icing/frosting and went awesome with tea/coffee.
I will miss it this year....
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100% inferior to German Stollen.
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janejellyroll wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »
ANYONE WHO GIVES FRUITCAKE SHOULD BE LINED UP AND SHOT.
Anyone who disagrees with this should also be lined up and shot.
We do not need a fruitcake culture. Those things are evil.
what about gumdrop cake?????
I'd never heard of that before and I just looked it up. It looks amazing!
it actually really is...my gram made it every year...it was a dense white cake with those gum drops...no icing/frosting and went awesome with tea/coffee.
I will miss it this year....
That absolutely looks like Christmas! Like the Sugar Plum Fairy ballet! I love it!0 -
Trainer's should be in shape. Having CPT after your name proves nothing. I've seen trainers that have credentials but are obese and have their clients do the most ridiculous exercises.5
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Agreed.stevencloser wrote: »100% inferior to German Stollen.
I am struggling at the moment- I have an Aldi nearby, and they have all the Christmas delicacies in. I've got through a bag of Lebkuchen already.
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joemac1988 wrote: »Trainer's should be in shape. Having CPT after your name proves nothing. I've seen trainers that have credentials but are obese and have their clients do the most ridiculous exercises.
I've seen trainers who are in shape who paddle the most ridiculous woo, and heavier trainers who know what they're doing. I know I'm among the few who don't really care what their trainer/doctor/dietitian looks like because results speak for themselves. Disregarding actual knowledge level and woo inclination, even if someone is the Adonis of trainers, if they don't possess teaching skills (including sensitivity to individual needs and potentials) they're near useless.9 -
joemac1988 wrote: »Trainer's should be in shape. Having CPT after your name proves nothing. I've seen trainers that have credentials but are obese and have their clients do the most ridiculous exercises.
Completely disagree. I think in many areas (not just the gym) , there are people who have exceptional knowledge, and ability to teach/train, without necessarily being the best at it themselves.7 -
joemac1988 wrote: »Trainer's should be in shape. Having CPT after your name proves nothing. I've seen trainers that have credentials but are obese and have their clients do the most ridiculous exercises.
I don't think that it is essential to be in shape if a PT has a track record of satisfied clients, high-level experiences (celebrity trainer/high school, college, pro athletic trainer, etc.), and/or some sort of injury/medical condition that impedes their own training. Otherwise, if the person is a 20-40 something year-old PT hustling business at the local gym, I would find it unsettling if he/she doesn't give the appearance that they actually follow their own advice and that their program results in a high level of fitness.2 -
joemac1988 wrote: »Trainer's should be in shape. Having CPT after your name proves nothing. I've seen trainers that have credentials but are obese and have their clients do the most ridiculous exercises.
I think everyone should be in shape. But I don't see why a trainer not being in shape would mean they weren't good at their jobs. Many sports trainers are not in shape. Many doctors are not healthy.
Knowing what to do does not mean you want to do it.3 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Trainer's should be in shape. Having CPT after your name proves nothing. I've seen trainers that have credentials but are obese and have their clients do the most ridiculous exercises.
I've seen trainers who are in shape who paddle the most ridiculous woo, and heavier trainers who know what they're doing. I know I'm among the few who don't really care what their trainer/doctor/dietitian looks like because results speak for themselves. Disregarding actual knowledge level and woo inclination, even if someone is the Adonis of trainers, if they don't possess teaching skills (including sensitivity to individual needs and potentials) they're near useless.
I agree that being in shape isn't a qualification either. You need ALL the tools and you should practice what you preach.0 -
livingleanlivingclean wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Trainer's should be in shape. Having CPT after your name proves nothing. I've seen trainers that have credentials but are obese and have their clients do the most ridiculous exercises.
Completely disagree. I think in many areas (not just the gym) , there are people who have exceptional knowledge, and ability to teach/train, without necessarily being the best at it themselves.
I'm not talking about those that aren't the best, I'm talking about those that aren't even in shape.0 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Trainer's should be in shape. Having CPT after your name proves nothing. I've seen trainers that have credentials but are obese and have their clients do the most ridiculous exercises.
I don't think that it is essential to be in shape if a PT has a track record of satisfied clients, high-level experiences (celebrity trainer/high school, college, pro athletic trainer, etc.), and/or some sort of injury/medical condition that impedes their own training. Otherwise, if the person is a 20-40 something year-old PT hustling business at the local gym, I would find it unsettling if he/she doesn't give the appearance that they actually follow their own advice and that their program results in a high level of fitness.
I think you're essentially agreeing with me...? I wouldn't care if they weren't in tip-top shape, but they should be at least average. I said "in shape" not shredded or anything like that.1 -
joemac1988 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Trainer's should be in shape. Having CPT after your name proves nothing. I've seen trainers that have credentials but are obese and have their clients do the most ridiculous exercises.
I've seen trainers who are in shape who paddle the most ridiculous woo, and heavier trainers who know what they're doing. I know I'm among the few who don't really care what their trainer/doctor/dietitian looks like because results speak for themselves. Disregarding actual knowledge level and woo inclination, even if someone is the Adonis of trainers, if they don't possess teaching skills (including sensitivity to individual needs and potentials) they're near useless.
I agree that being in shape isn't a qualification either. You need ALL the tools and you should practice what you preach.
By the looks of their trainers, many Olympic level athletes seem to disagree. Professional sports players too.4 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Trainer's should be in shape. Having CPT after your name proves nothing. I've seen trainers that have credentials but are obese and have their clients do the most ridiculous exercises.
I think everyone should be in shape. But I don't see why a trainer not being in shape would mean they weren't good at their jobs. Many sports trainers are not in shape. Many doctors are not healthy.
Knowing what to do does not mean you want to do it.
A Dr. and a PT are two different things. You could also say a NFL coach doesn't have to be able to play in the NFL.
But I'd compare an obese PT to a homeless person selling financial advice. They may have all the facts but you don't have my respect if you can't put it into action. Being unhealthy yourself doesn't impede your ability to diagnose a medical issue I have. Being out of shape DOES impede things like your ability to demonstrate correct form.4 -
joemac1988 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Trainer's should be in shape. Having CPT after your name proves nothing. I've seen trainers that have credentials but are obese and have their clients do the most ridiculous exercises.
I think everyone should be in shape. But I don't see why a trainer not being in shape would mean they weren't good at their jobs. Many sports trainers are not in shape. Many doctors are not healthy.
Knowing what to do does not mean you want to do it.
A Dr. and a PT are two different things. You could also say a NFL coach doesn't have to be able to play in the NFL.
But I'd compare an obese PT to a homeless person selling financial advice. They may have all the facts but you don't have my respect if you can't put it into action. Being unhealthy yourself doesn't impede your ability to diagnose a medical issue I have. Being out of shape DOES impede things like your ability to demonstrate correct form.
Ah, respect. That's different than whether they actually can do the job.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Trainer's should be in shape. Having CPT after your name proves nothing. I've seen trainers that have credentials but are obese and have their clients do the most ridiculous exercises.
I've seen trainers who are in shape who paddle the most ridiculous woo, and heavier trainers who know what they're doing. I know I'm among the few who don't really care what their trainer/doctor/dietitian looks like because results speak for themselves. Disregarding actual knowledge level and woo inclination, even if someone is the Adonis of trainers, if they don't possess teaching skills (including sensitivity to individual needs and potentials) they're near useless.
I agree that being in shape isn't a qualification either. You need ALL the tools and you should practice what you preach.
By the looks of their trainers, many Olympic level athletes seem to disagree. Professional sports players too.
Apples and oranges. I'm never said an obese PT doesn't know what they're talking about, all I said is they should be in shape. Keywords here to remember are "unpopular" and "opinion".2 -
joemac1988 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Trainer's should be in shape. Having CPT after your name proves nothing. I've seen trainers that have credentials but are obese and have their clients do the most ridiculous exercises.
I've seen trainers who are in shape who paddle the most ridiculous woo, and heavier trainers who know what they're doing. I know I'm among the few who don't really care what their trainer/doctor/dietitian looks like because results speak for themselves. Disregarding actual knowledge level and woo inclination, even if someone is the Adonis of trainers, if they don't possess teaching skills (including sensitivity to individual needs and potentials) they're near useless.
I agree that being in shape isn't a qualification either. You need ALL the tools and you should practice what you preach.
By the looks of their trainers, many Olympic level athletes seem to disagree. Professional sports players too.
Apples and oranges. I'm never said an obese PT doesn't know what they're talking about, all I said is they should be in shape. Keywords here to remember are "unpopular" and "opinion".
Quite true. You have met the criteria.1 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Trainer's should be in shape. Having CPT after your name proves nothing. I've seen trainers that have credentials but are obese and have their clients do the most ridiculous exercises.
I think everyone should be in shape. But I don't see why a trainer not being in shape would mean they weren't good at their jobs. Many sports trainers are not in shape. Many doctors are not healthy.
Knowing what to do does not mean you want to do it.
A Dr. and a PT are two different things. You could also say a NFL coach doesn't have to be able to play in the NFL.
But I'd compare an obese PT to a homeless person selling financial advice. They may have all the facts but you don't have my respect if you can't put it into action. Being unhealthy yourself doesn't impede your ability to diagnose a medical issue I have. Being out of shape DOES impede things like your ability to demonstrate correct form.
Ah, respect. That's different than whether they actually can do the job.
Meh, maybe, maybe not. There is a trainer at my gym (Female, probably 5'8, pushing 300lbs) that physically can't demonstrate correct form. In that specific instance, she actually can't do her job.2 -
joemac1988 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Trainer's should be in shape. Having CPT after your name proves nothing. I've seen trainers that have credentials but are obese and have their clients do the most ridiculous exercises.
I think everyone should be in shape. But I don't see why a trainer not being in shape would mean they weren't good at their jobs. Many sports trainers are not in shape. Many doctors are not healthy.
Knowing what to do does not mean you want to do it.
A Dr. and a PT are two different things. You could also say a NFL coach doesn't have to be able to play in the NFL.
But I'd compare an obese PT to a homeless person selling financial advice. They may have all the facts but you don't have my respect if you can't put it into action. Being unhealthy yourself doesn't impede your ability to diagnose a medical issue I have. Being out of shape DOES impede things like your ability to demonstrate correct form.
Ah, respect. That's different than whether they actually can do the job.
Meh, maybe, maybe not. There is a trainer at my gym (Female, probably 5'8, pushing 300lbs) that physically can't demonstrate correct form. In that specific instance, she actually can't do her job.
That one example doesn't really demonstrate anything. That woman that set the world record for a squat was heavy and she had good form.2 -
joemac1988 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Trainer's should be in shape. Having CPT after your name proves nothing. I've seen trainers that have credentials but are obese and have their clients do the most ridiculous exercises.
I don't think that it is essential to be in shape if a PT has a track record of satisfied clients, high-level experiences (celebrity trainer/high school, college, pro athletic trainer, etc.), and/or some sort of injury/medical condition that impedes their own training. Otherwise, if the person is a 20-40 something year-old PT hustling business at the local gym, I would find it unsettling if he/she doesn't give the appearance that they actually follow their own advice and that their program results in a high level of fitness.
I think you're essentially agreeing with me...? I wouldn't care if they weren't in tip-top shape, but they should be at least average. I said "in shape" not shredded or anything like that.
I am agreeing with you, just with the few qualifiers in the first sentence of my post above:)
To look at it from a different angle: lets say a PT approached me at my gym who just received his/her certification 6 months ago and without any other sort of qualifications - if that person is in amazing shape I may still consider him/her. If another person with the same limited PT experience approached me but didn't appear to be fit, I doubt that I would pay that person to train me.1 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Trainer's should be in shape. Having CPT after your name proves nothing. I've seen trainers that have credentials but are obese and have their clients do the most ridiculous exercises.
I don't think that it is essential to be in shape if a PT has a track record of satisfied clients, high-level experiences (celebrity trainer/high school, college, pro athletic trainer, etc.), and/or some sort of injury/medical condition that impedes their own training. Otherwise, if the person is a 20-40 something year-old PT hustling business at the local gym, I would find it unsettling if he/she doesn't give the appearance that they actually follow their own advice and that their program results in a high level of fitness.
I think you're essentially agreeing with me...? I wouldn't care if they weren't in tip-top shape, but they should be at least average. I said "in shape" not shredded or anything like that.
I am agreeing with you, just with the few qualifiers in the first sentence of my post above:)
To look at it from a different angle: lets say a PT approached me at my gym who just received his/her certification 6 months ago and without any other sort of qualifications - if that person is in amazing shape I may still consider him/her. If another person with the same limited PT experience approached me but didn't appear to be fit, I doubt that I would pay that person to train me.
Gotcha. I guess my real problem is with people that have a piece of paper proclaiming them a CPT when all they did is take some online courses. I would rather be trained by someone with knowledge, references and in shape than someone with all kinds of alphabet soup after their name and no indication they have a clue.
I'd rather take financial advice from a high school drop out turned successful entrepreneur than someone with an MBA driving a forklift stocking shelves. Proof is in the pudding!3 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Trainer's should be in shape. Having CPT after your name proves nothing. I've seen trainers that have credentials but are obese and have their clients do the most ridiculous exercises.
I don't think that it is essential to be in shape if a PT has a track record of satisfied clients, high-level experiences (celebrity trainer/high school, college, pro athletic trainer, etc.), and/or some sort of injury/medical condition that impedes their own training. Otherwise, if the person is a 20-40 something year-old PT hustling business at the local gym, I would find it unsettling if he/she doesn't give the appearance that they actually follow their own advice and that their program results in a high level of fitness.
I think you're essentially agreeing with me...? I wouldn't care if they weren't in tip-top shape, but they should be at least average. I said "in shape" not shredded or anything like that.
I am agreeing with you, just with the few qualifiers in the first sentence of my post above:)
To look at it from a different angle: lets say a PT approached me at my gym who just received his/her certification 6 months ago and without any other sort of qualifications - if that person is in amazing shape I may still consider him/her. If another person with the same limited PT experience approached me but didn't appear to be fit, I doubt that I would pay that person to train me.
I personally would take on anyone with good reviews for a trial run regardless. If I'm presented with two trainers with roughly equal reviews and results, I'll take the cheaper one for a trial run then switch to the other if I don't click with the first one. If they both charge the same I'll take the one that I feel would be easier to communicate with. I understand why people would pick based on looks and it's a valid point of view, it's just that my brain doesn't operate that way having experienced being morbidly obese and knowing what I am capable of.
I don't even need someone to "demonstrate" good form. Correcting my form and easily applicable form tips then are much more important to me than demonstrations. There is a disconnect between the what I see and what my body does when I'm new to something. I'm not kidding, the kind of disconnect I personally have is extreme. I'm so clumsy and awkward I may think I'm doing exactly what I "saw" but I end up looking like one of those "what I think I look like/what I actually look like" memes, it's not even funny (it actually is funny, and I laugh a lot at myself when I start something new that involves movement and record myself).4 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Trainer's should be in shape. Having CPT after your name proves nothing. I've seen trainers that have credentials but are obese and have their clients do the most ridiculous exercises.
I think everyone should be in shape. But I don't see why a trainer not being in shape would mean they weren't good at their jobs. Many sports trainers are not in shape. Many doctors are not healthy.
Knowing what to do does not mean you want to do it.
A Dr. and a PT are two different things. You could also say a NFL coach doesn't have to be able to play in the NFL.
But I'd compare an obese PT to a homeless person selling financial advice. They may have all the facts but you don't have my respect if you can't put it into action. Being unhealthy yourself doesn't impede your ability to diagnose a medical issue I have. Being out of shape DOES impede things like your ability to demonstrate correct form.
Ah, respect. That's different than whether they actually can do the job.
Meh, maybe, maybe not. There is a trainer at my gym (Female, probably 5'8, pushing 300lbs) that physically can't demonstrate correct form. In that specific instance, she actually can't do her job.
That one example doesn't really demonstrate anything. That woman that set the world record for a squat was heavy and she had good form.
Powerlifters usually do carry extra weight and sure, the woman you refer to is qualified to coach in her area of expertise. Her credentials? A world record squat. Trust me, the girl I'm talking about is too fat to demonstrate some movements. She was doing something on her hands and knees with a medicine ball and needed help to get off the floor. Not because of age, she's in her 20's. Not because of an injury, she's fine.
And before people start sounding off about me calling her fat... I'm not judging her as a person, she's actually really sweet. I'm judging her as a CPT.0
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