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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?
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01189998819991197253Z wrote: »sure you all know but wants things devolve to personal attacks its over for your credibility.... passive aggressive language is one thing but if your only reply in an insult well. ... good for you
Asking you for well vetted sources is not passive aggressive. Again, this is a debate forum and this is standard expectation to provide sources and defend your claims, the burden of proof is on those making the claims.7 -
Re keto, I actually think that most of the people here who do keto DON'T have their children on keto diets, and personally I wouldn't (not doing keto, no kids, so sort of irrelevant).
I doubt people who do keto on average have kids who eat less healthfully than other kids.
Also not aware of any spate of child deaths from the recent popularity of keto. Hard to imagine that would not be sensationalized.2 -
WinoGelato wrote: »01189998819991197253Z wrote: »sure you all know but wants things devolve to personal attacks its over for your credibility.... passive aggressive language is one thing but if your only reply in an insult well. ... good for you
Asking you for well vetted sources is not passive aggressive. Again, this is a debate forum and this is standard expectation to provide sources and defend your claims, the burden of proof is on those making the claims.
This!^ She is right. In debate you man up or you get heat. Provide credible sources or you will be dismissed.
Have you heard the saying "If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen"?4 -
How about this one..... i think it was a mate.... the idea was that eating celery and carrots burns more energy then you gain.... this was a white ago and im sure this has subce bern confirmed as a myth.3
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01189998819991197253Z wrote: »How about this one..... i think it was a mate.... the idea was that eating celery and carrots burns more energy then you gain.... this was a white ago and im sure this has subce bern confirmed as a myth.
Myth. Dumb idea that gets passed around by wannabee nutritionists.1 -
Areeeee '"standard expectation"..... here we go again. .... let it go!6
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no I'm not going to go through the infant mortality records from 1918 just to demonstrate a point.8
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RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »It's becoming an unpopular opinion but I really believe that keto diets are unhealthy.
Unless you are eating offal, which most don't seem to be I believe you will be short of your micro nutrients.
It worries me to see so many new posters this week thinking keto is the way to eat to lose weight in a healthy sustainable way.
I haven't seen as many things like ACV and raspberry ketones as in last January's on MFP but I agree the keto craze has a whole new set of followers in early 2018. I'm on a Facebook group for the InstantPot (pressure cooker) and it's astonishing to me how many of those folks are starting on the keto bandwagon too. Where's the new buzz coming from, any idea?
Redditt seems to be one of the main sources. They keep mentioning the Dietdoctor site also.
Scary thing is that they are even questioning that you have to watch your calories.
Just what the obesity crisis needs.
In that same FB page I was referring to, there have been quite a few people asking about how to lose weight cooking with the InstantPot, or any "InstantPot Diets". Every single post like that yields dozens of "try low carb!" and "keto, it's awesome!" Posts and very few, if any, mention of watching calories, eating all foods in moderation, etc. I got into a somewhat heated debate with one poster who told me that CICO was outdated, that no one who loses weight with a calorie deficit can be successful long term because it trashes your metabolism, that keto overcomes the hormones that prevents us from losing weight and then told me that I might try looking into some actual science once in a while. At that point I just closed my laptop and sighed. Not one, single, person besides me tried to challenge her misguided beliefs.
Scary.
And the thing is it is really just starting to peak, so like the low fat demonising I think we may have a few more years of this to come yet.
Agreed. I have stated this before on these boards and I'll say it again here: I think a good many people flocking to keto who are satiated by that way of eating could achieve the same benefit and eat a more balanced diet by simply doing low/moderate carb. I don't see the need to be so drastic with the macro balance at the expense of vegetables. If they don't want to eat grains or sugar, that's fine. It's the vegetable/micronutrient intake that I question.
Granted, there are some people who are very active who can eat keto and get in a higher amount of carbs than the 20 or so net grams you see most people talking about, but they're not the norm.5 -
everyone has a very different reaction to pretty much everything where changing the default metabolic process is concirned. For that reason im a fan of specifically tailored forms of restriction.13
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01189998819991197253Z wrote: »everyone has a very different reaction to pretty much everything where changing the default metabolic process is concirned. For that reason im a fan of specifically tailored forms of restriction.
Source for this? Dare I ask?
It's not clear that you understand the purpose of the debate forum, or that you even understand what a debate is.
To counter your assertion:
https://bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/you-are-not-different.html/
Everyone needs caloric restriction. Everyone has different preferences and what satiates and makes it easy for someone to adhere to a method of restriction will vary, but equating that to "changing the default metabolic process" No.6 -
can see the basic attraction to no idea keto based idea.theoretically it sounds great. Until the problematic lack of sugars and mineral deficiency.6
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »01189998819991197253Z wrote: »everyone has a very different reaction to pretty much everything where changing the default metabolic process is concirned. For that reason im a fan of specifically tailored forms of restriction.
Source for this? Dare I ask?
It's not clear that you understand the purpose of the debate forum, or that you even understand what a debate is.
To counter your assertion:
https://bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/you-are-not-different.html/
Everyone needs caloric restriction. Everyone has different preferences and what satiates and makes it easy for someone to adhere to a method of restriction will vary, but equating that to "changing the default metabolic process" No.
You beat me to it.2 -
Why? Why? Why? especially if any sources I were to provide will just be dismissed out of hand.... just because they don't conform to your so-called standards.
this isn't rocket science we're not working in the health profession nobody cares what we say or think why is this so why do you care?11 -
01189998819991197253Z wrote: »no I'm not going to go through the infant mortality records from 1918 just to demonstrate a point.
Are you imagining that many of them list "keto" as the cause of death?6 -
Really. ..... ok everything we do in terms of exercise nutrition has a direct and a secondary impact on what would otherwise be a default metabolic process.... ie your individual homeostasis.4
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lemurcat12 wrote: »01189998819991197253Z wrote: »no I'm not going to go through the infant mortality records from 1918 just to demonstrate a point.
Are you imagining that many of them list "keto" as the cause of death?
Of course not....I was just being facetious making the point that the deaths I am referring to before the current trend.4 -
01189998819991197253Z wrote: »Why? Why? Why? especially if any sources I were to provide will just be dismissed out of hand.... just because they don't conform to your so-called standards.
this isn't rocket science we're not working in the health profession nobody cares what we say or think why is this so why do you care?
God forbid anyone ask you to provide a reputable source for your claim that this popular diet LITERALLY KILLS PEOPLE.
01189998819991197253Z is a murderer. My source is "01189998819991197253ZSUCKS.com" Does that sound like a good argument or even an informed opinion to you?11 -
01189998819991197253Z wrote: »Why? Why? Why? especially if any sources I were to provide will just be dismissed out of hand.... just because they don't conform to your so-called standards.
this isn't rocket science we're not working in the health profession nobody cares what we say or think why is this so why do you care?
You obviously are not... doesn't mean some of us aren't (or won't be soon) and need to make sure our knowledge is accurate and as up-to-date as possible so at to not go killing people by accident.
I'd rather not have a lawsuit on my hands before I even fully finished my degree...2 -
What. ..... im saying because we are not do irs not of such a god damb importance ss you serm to need to be be believed ... this isn't rocket science we're not working in the health profession nobody cares what we say or think why is this so why do you care?
Are you really using this place any part of your degree? Well your a student that explains things. This is not a place of business ot higher education. ... set your expectations accordingly.7 -
The simple fact that your so obsessed only means you just want to attack. ... what? Ive already said im not playing your game so get over yourself.5
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And hum.... as for nightlight an out of context part of a post to create an attack. .... very transparent.4
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01189998819991197253Z wrote: »What. ..... im saying because we are not do irs not of such a god damb importance ss you serm to need to be be believed ... this isn't rocket science we're not working in the health profession nobody cares what we say or think why is this so why do you care?
Are you really using this place any part of your degree? Well your a student that explains things. This is not a place of business ot higher education. ... set your expectations accordingly.
There are people on this site who are doctors, nurses, PhDs, registered dietitians, certified physical trainers, and a wide variety of other professions directly and indirectly connected to health, wellness, fitness and science.
New members in particular come to these boards for advice and help when they are confused about the plethora of conflicting information available to them, and many of the veterans pride themselves on our ability to help people sort through the woo and pseudoscience that comes from clickbait sites and for profit charlatans.
The fact that you seem to think this is a joke, that no one cares, that it's ok to just ramble on incoherently with no regard for spelling, sentence structure or grammar is concerning. If you don't care to try to uphold the standards of these boards, please stick to the chit chat section. Your comments could legitimately hurt someone if they misconstrue your words and your sources as being legit.22 -
01189998819991197253Z wrote: »And hum.... as for highlightinh an out of context part of a post to create an attack. .... very transparent.
anyone can highlights and out of context portion of the post and make an issue of it.5 -
I'm sure if I were to say something like our blood is never blue...you'll find some convoluted logical reason for why that's not correct. And demand refferances.7
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fact that you felt the need to write that book just show red flags. and anyone actually working for the benefit and care about us although better but trust any information looked up on discussion form such as this. it's ridiculous and woukd be vegy irresponsible. And not my problem.10
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Frankly, this is the only weight management/fitness site I've seen where people are willing to put in the time and effort to search out legitimate, peer-reviewed studies to debunk the reams of diet/fitness woo that gets posted, or support their own assertions.
Anyone can write a blog or opinion piece and post any damn thing that comes into their head. I just finished reading about a diet where you eat walnuts and lose a pound a day!! The article (from Women's Day magazine) is based on the opinion of an author with a diet book to sell, and a (Harvard!) study of n=10. If I were to post on any mfp forum that we could all lose weight by eating more walnuts I would (rightfully) have my *kitten* handed to me on a platter.12 -
If yo truly believe the report of different deaths 100 years ago chsnges snytgibg here the you have don unrealistic expectations of this internet-based form.... its one data point and its part of the history of the kinesthetic diet.8
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Few things anymore find all the internet on then a completely accurate honest truthful or possible. In the end it's up to each individual to make their own assessment of the validity of a claim or test for themselves. everyone should have a healthy dose of scepticism about themselves whenever. More over generally speaking is not always a good idea to promote Blind Faith another source.7
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I usually just sit back and read these threads, since I never took any science after high school. But the ketogenic diet was apparently created in 1921 (Source: https://www.news-medical.net/health/History-of-the-Ketogenic-Diet.aspx), so I'm not sure what bearing the 1918 stats on child mortality could possibly have unless somehow used as a before-keto/after-keto comparison.
And for the record, I'm a moderate-to-high-carbing vegetarian who'd never heard of keto before this site and never saw it as sustainable for me, though I completely respect that it works for others.9 -
as I said I was being very facetious and high infant mortality is just a fact of the early history prior to the incarnation.3
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