How disgusting is this...
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im dissapointed that the cats didnt continue.
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You choose to be fat?
If a genie appeared to her in the night and offered to transform her body into that of Carrie Underwood's, do you think she'd decline?
Right. Also, adding photos....because look at those LEGS.
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You choose to be fat?
If a genie appeared to her in the night and offered to transform her body into that of Carrie Underwood's, do you think she'd decline?
Right. Also, adding photos....because look at those LEGS.
Seriously, though...you know she'd say yes.0 -
im dissapointed that the cats didnt continue.
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im dissapointed that the cats didnt continue.
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Also, if someone "chooses" to be poor and live off welfare... is that noble or something?
Quitting because you're too lazy and weak to succeed might be a choice, but it's not something we need to applaud.0 -
this article is the best thing i've read all day. thanks!
(and to answer your question: not disgusting at all.)
Beautifully written. Heart-felt and sad. Not disgusting at all. You are a very narrow-minded person for thinking this is disgusting. Did someone say you are studying to be a PA? Perhaps you should rethink your field of study. You have to be compassionate in the healthcare industry. You sir, are NOT compassionate by any means.
absolutely laughable.
my job is to get the sick better not to make sure they are ok with childhood issues. compassion on a forum? get outta here.
My sister is 9 months away from her Psychiatric NP license. She is all about healing the sick. Perhaps you should take a couple more psychology classes to getting a better understanding of the way people act/react to life events.
i am bound for surgery hun. not psychiatric work.
thats like asking your mechanic to be more sensitive with your cars feelings.
But as a surgeon you will not be working on cars - you will be working on people. Please don't forget that. You will have to communicate with people (many of them patients and families). They don't just wheel the bodies in for you to cut and wheel them away. There is more to it than the mechanics.
And try not to call people hun - it's condescending.
Wow. World's ****tiest bedside manner surgeon in the making!
Amazing, people who say don't don't judge other people so fast, always are the first ones to make judgments about other people
Just statin' the facts, hun. You turned your nose up at someone suggesting you may need compassion and you say you are going to be a surgeon so you don't?
Hope you don't do surgery for kids, or for people facing potentially life threatening situations, or anyone fearful of surgery, or c-sections, or any other number of operations where a patient might expect a little bit of compassion from their surgeon!
dont talk about things you dont know about or understand. k thanks!
My son had surgery. I had a surgeon present for my birth. I watched my housemate have a c-section. Spoke to the surgeons in all scenarios. Tell me again how I know nothing?0 -
PAs aren't surgeons. They can be surgical assistants but that's not something that gets you a lot of bedside time.0
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My son had surgery. I had a surgeon present for my birth. I watched my housemate have a c-section. Spoke to the surgeons in all scenarios. Tell me again how I know nothing?
well. watch out... we have a bad *kitten* here.0 -
My son had surgery. I had a surgeon present for my birth. I watched my housemate have a c-section. Spoke to the surgeons in all scenarios. Tell me again how I know nothing?
well. watch out... we have a bad *kitten* here.
What's funny here is that you're likely to find yourself assisting surgeons working on patients you have nothing but disdain for.
Good luck with that. Sounds fulfilling.0 -
PAs aren't surgeons. They can be surgical assistants but that's not something that gets you a lot of bedside time.
not true.
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Uses knowledge of medical model to promote synergistic relationship between physician and PA
Has extensive knowledge of the pharmacologic effects of vasoactive/ cardiotonic drugs, ventilator management and artificial cardiac devices
Performs duties of a primary care PA
Manages other disease entities frequently encountered in the cardiac population, namely hypertension, diabetes, COPD, asthma, hypothyroidism and others0 -
My son had surgery. I had a surgeon present for my birth. I watched my housemate have a c-section. Spoke to the surgeons in all scenarios. Tell me again how I know nothing?
well. watch out... we have a bad *kitten* here.
What's funny here is that you're likely to find yourself assisting surgeons working on patients you have nothing but disdain for.
Good luck with that. Sounds fulfilling.
i have zero disdain for people in need of help. thanks for the luck0 -
If I am reading her essay correctly it looks like this lady had a childhood that was mostly horrible with parents that were not there for her. She started eating a lot and gained a lot of weight which of course is a visible result of overeating. Many people disapprove of her overeating and their disapproval makes her feel bad. She feels angry and frustrated. Rather than stop overeating to gain their approval she is choosing to oppose the disapproval by accepting her overeating.
Overeating can and eventually will make you sick and it can kill you.
Suppose she was drinking heavily instead of overeating. Drinking heavily may not produce as visible an effect as overeating but drinking heavily can and eventually will make you sick and it can kill you also. Is the disapproval more or less acceptable if she is drinking heavily? What if she is a meth user? A smoker?
What if she had developed a coping mechanism that did not have visible side effects and did not involve ingesting something. Suppose instead she developed a habit of walking up to people and kicking them in the leg. That won't make you sick or kill you (unless you get seriously pummeled by the kickee) but it will sure get you a lot of disapproval.
All of us choose our behaviors. Some behaviors create visible results and some do not. Some will get you approval and others will get you disapproval. Disapproval might take the form of arch looks and cutting remarks or it might take the form of criminal charges. We can choose to conform our behavior or not. But our choice does not have an effect beyond ourselves. If we don't conform and we keep eating and doing meth we will get sick and possibly die. If we keep kicking people in the leg we will eventually get smacked and arrested. If we don't conform we will suffer but the disapproval will not, It will be unchanged.
If we do conform and we eat and drink in a healthy way we will be affected -- our health will improve. If we don't kick people in the leg we won't get punched or arrested. Again, the effect is limited to us. The approval is unchanged.
We are all in the same boat. Huge people, scrawny people, meth heads and leg kickers. Disapproval does not diminish just because we accept our own behavior. When we behave in our own best interest -- do what is best for us -- we win. When our behavior is a reaction to approval or disapproval, well, then we are not doing what is best for us, are we?0 -
My son had surgery. I had a surgeon present for my birth. I watched my housemate have a c-section. Spoke to the surgeons in all scenarios. Tell me again how I know nothing?
well. watch out... we have a bad *kitten* here.
What's funny here is that you're likely to find yourself assisting surgeons working on patients you have nothing but disdain for.
Good luck with that. Sounds fulfilling.
i have zero disdain for people in need of help. thanks for the luck
Haha.0 -
Author has some serious issues
:noway: yeah, I found that a very disturbing read. :ohwell:
I think I'm supposed to feel richer for having read it but unfortunately, my glass being half full, I just don't get it. :sick:
What I mean to say is, I didn't get anything out of this, was I supposed to?:ohwell:0 -
What's funny here is that you're likely to find yourself assisting surgeons working on patients you have nothing but disdain for.
Good luck with that. Sounds fulfilling.
i have zero disdain for people in need of help. thanks for the luck
This is cute.0 -
Look, I don't think we should be celebrating the author's mental health issues, but what I think is important here is that she is finally refusing to be defined by other peoples' definitions of healthy and beautiful. She is getting help, she is working on these issues. She only 'quit' if your definition of healthy and beautiful is different than her definition. Right? And that is kind of her point. She is only a quitter for not trying to lose weight if you think that everyone should be trying to lose weight and get down to a certain size. And she has decided not to care about that anymore, and to only care about her own goals. There is something awesome about that.0
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I find it more sad than anything else.0
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Written beautifully. I am not sure about how I feel. If this was my daughter,friend or loved one (and I have had a Grandmother die from diabetes related issues and a Grandmother who lived till she was 99) I would do anything,anything to help them. I know ultimately it's their choice and their body.
If she was my daughter. I would hurt for her. Who cares what ppl say.i would hurt because she would suffer in her body and be unwell with so many things.
I want her to have full healthy life. I have obese friends and I love them and I want them around for a very log time.0 -
OP, you're training to be a PA? I feel sorry for your patients. Empathy is an important quality in a health care professional.
first off... stop.
secondly. i just went from 231 to 186 pounds since feb. I know what it is to be obese. so take your protest sign elsewhere.
^this
Agreed. Her self loathing (and others) are the reason health care is SOOOOO costly. All of our bad habits...added on to bad genes. Personally, I find it a very sad story, but there is a big difference between "empathy" and "enabling", when it comes to situations like this. As healthcare providers, it's our DUTY to inform people that they are literally killing themselves....even if they are "okay" with it.0 -
Great Book...
I suggest you head to the library or book store and pick up a copy of She's Come Undone.Why do you think it is disgusting? its her choice.
You're kidding... right?0 -
Is it bad I want my 25 minutes back? :huh:0
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It has nothing to do with being a certain size. It's just sad that she's given up on her health and day to day functionality and comfort as a person because she lacks the knowledge and willpower to change.
She clearly hates being fat. She complains about not fitting into chairs for crying out loud. She just wrote this article to make herself feel better for not doing anything about it.
It's great and important to accept yourself, but it's not great to recognize a significant dysfunction that you can actually change and then not do anything about it because your clumsy first attempts failed.
It sucks that she is defined by people for her weight, but that doesn't mean it's laudable to throw your hands up in the air and just be obese.0 -
I'm not disgusted, I'm f*cking heartbroken. The Mama Bear in me is welling up for that little 7-year-old supergirl.
Here here. Sometimes, I think it's wild that just having functional reproductive organs qualifies people to be parents.0 -
As for the article, I'm not a fan of her style. She switches between multiple voices, never making it clear exactly which one she is using:
-Despair
-Sarcasm
-Social criticism
-Defiance
-Factual history
I ended with no clear idea of who she is.
That's exactly how I feel :laugh: ...confused!0 -
regardless if the people are obese, smoking, drinking to much etc, it cost the rest of us a tone of money because of other peoples bad choices. If she chooses to be obese then she is choosing the consequences but needs to pay for them as well. If she is choosing to do things to her body that will cause health issues then maybe she should pay more for health care.0
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I feel bad for this lady... I feel bad because I feel like she is giving up....she's been through so much in life that she just gave up and stopped trying....she feels like no one will care or love her....I believe she is hiding behind her weight ...she kind of uses it to protect her from others...maybe so she can't risk getting hurt..sad!!0
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Everybody has a story, mine was similar to hers as far as the abuse and weight issues go but I decided to lose the weight and get control over my weight and emotions instead of just quitting.0
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We're almost done with this thread! I've seen some legit points here, and even though a lot of people interpreted this essay differently than I did, it's given me a lot to think about. Thanks for that. I can definitely see why this essay might disturb, sadden, and frustrate people.
For the rest of you, well you know.
Relevant:
ETA: adding this because ninja kitty is awesome.
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"If you don’t conform to the norm, you’re expected to sweat yourself into a headline: “How One Woman Went from Obesity to a Bikini Body.” As if the two are mutually exclusive. But if you choose, as I have chosen, to stop the presses, to throw out all the “inspirational” sizes in your closet, that your weekly meals don’t have to be more meticulously planned than the raid that killed Bin Laden, you aren’t just flipping off cultural expectations; you’re upending other people’s hopes for you"
Weight loss doesn't require meticulous meal planning. She also takes a dig at people joining gyms.
Yay for her for making her own (dubious) choices, but she seems to not practice what she preaches.0
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