October 2017 Running Challenge
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I don't know why but for some reason I can picture @Elise4270 walking through Walmart doing her grocery shopping in all that pool gear.
I feel like junk. I will still attempt another run tonight because I can't run Wed/Thur and Fri-Sun does not look promising due to the fact that I'll be doing the other half of the carpet cleaning project and likely won't be able to move again. Haha. Also next Monday I have an event that will get in the way of my running. Aargh. Obviously the answer here is that I start morning running again but I'm not dealing with that right now. Hubby and I have a system going in the mornings right now and I'm not messing with it.
I have only done virtual races when it meant something to somebody that I support their cause
Otherwise I don't do races, virtual or otherwise. 4 -
seanevan10 wrote: »@girlinahat great advice. Thanks. I know it was for Elise, but I butted in. :-)
Alright with me. I know we're runners. So it's nice to see others interested in swimming.0 -
greenolivetree wrote: »I don't know why but for some reason I can picture @Elise4270 walking through Walmart doing her grocery shopping in all that pool gear.
I feel like junk. I will still attempt another run tonight because I can't run Wed/Thur and Fri-Sun does not look promising due to the fact that I'll be doing the other half of the carpet cleaning project and likely won't be able to move again. Haha. Also next Monday I have an event that will get in the way of my running. Aargh. Obviously the answer here is that I start morning running again but I'm not dealing with that right now. Hubby and I have a system going in the mornings right now and I'm not messing with it.
I have only done virtual races when it meant something to somebody that I support their cause Otherwise I don't do races, virtual or otherwise.
Lol! You want I can come by and help with that carpet cleaning, in my swimy stuff, if you take me to Walmart afterwards2 -
So. My running weekend. I discovered my special power. It's not a skill I want to practice, develop or repeat.
It would appear that I am very good at hyperventilating when running. The first attack happened when i was right at the back of the pack, trying to keep up, and berating myself for being slow, and despite having been running a couple of years now still getting slower, and how other people don't run as slow as me, and how that stooopid saying about how 'ah yes, you may be slow but you are at least lapping the 98% of the people on the couch' is a REALLY irritating saying because, yes, I KNOW I'm better than them, but I want to be a proper runner, not someone who the only good thing you can say about her is that at least she isn't a lardy-a$%
Obviously berating yourself for being slow when you are in the middle of a panic attack is not a recognised solution to what is actually pretty terrifying. The feeling that despite some horrible sounding hollow breathing what you are NOT getting into your body are the key components necessary to sustain life. and around and around it goes.
Barefoot bloke helped me a bit, by giving me something to sniff. The nearest thing was horse-poop but hey it worked (I'm exaggerating, he just TOLD me to sniff something in the air, and that's what I got).
But now I have this special power, I seem to spend several moments during each running session testing it out. I did it again on Sunday, fixed it, walked happily up a hill chatting, then reached the group, they asked if I was okay and BAM, chest tightens, and I have to run away from them to stop those FEELINGS of INADEQUACY pumping up my special power.
So, good people of MFP. I need your help. Help me find a special power that is more useful and less noisy than this. Help me get rid of those thoughts that make me feel like the worst person in the world. I'm an adult for heaven's sake, I should be able to deal with the odd hill or people going faster than me.
the only tiny teeny glimmer of greatness I have is that I beat all of them down the hill. But I can't always be going downhill, and honestly, doing 14 minute miles for the rest of my life is going to lead me to find another sport.
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ETA @girlinahat Thanks for the information! If I'm working on form and strength, it's hard to also time breathing. I tend to give myself a headache by not breathing often enough. Then I got this crick in my neck and it made turning my head painful. I did some PT and it's better. I figured if I can get a strong form down, I can incorporate breathing a bit easier. *Shrugs* it's just a theory.
Things I was taught -
breathe every two strokes. That may sound like a lot, but it helps.
Don't turn your head, roll your body more - check out videos of swimsmooth technique on that.
slow down. We say it to new runners all the time but the same goes for swimming. You can cover MORE distance faster and longer if you actually slow, glide, and get form and breathing at the sweet spot. There's something called a SWOLF score which combines your speed with your strokes or something. The lower the score the better. Less strokes over a greater distance is what you want.
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girlinahat wrote: »
ETA @girlinahat Thanks for the information! If I'm working on form and strength, it's hard to also time breathing. I tend to give myself a headache by not breathing often enough. Then I got this crick in my neck and it made turning my head painful. I did some PT and it's better. I figured if I can get a strong form down, I can incorporate breathing a bit easier. *Shrugs* it's just a theory.
Things I was taught -
breathe every two strokes. That may sound like a lot, but it helps.
Don't turn your head, roll your body more - check out videos of swimsmooth technique on that.
slow down. We say it to new runners all the time but the same goes for swimming. You can cover MORE distance faster and longer if you actually slow, glide, and get form and breathing at the sweet spot. There's something called a SWOLF score which combines your speed with your strokes or something. The lower the score the better. Less strokes over a greater distance is what you want.
Ooooh thanks! You're such a fantactic help! I saw SWOLF on my Garmin, but had no idea what it was.1 -
seanevan10 wrote: »dudasd1973 wrote: »@Elise4270 are there any diving shops around you? My advice from my snorkeling days would be way to out of date at this point since it's been 20ish years since I was an active snorkeler.
Thanks for your insight. I think the closest is an hour and a half away. I need a tri shop, if there's such a thing. Come to think of it, there may be a diving shop in town.. they scuba out at the local lake... my husband use to dive in his youth. I'll check into it. Thanks!
@elise4270 I know it is quite a drive for you, but there is a Tri shop just down the road from me. I am actually going to a clinic next Monday night at 630pm.
Also, I am going to start training at the senior center pool starting next week! I'm actually excited.
I have a Dr visit November 17th and will be down that way. I'd definitely like to stop in and see what I can learn (or buy).
What's the name of it?
ETA @girlinahat Thanks for the information! If I'm working on form and strength, it's hard to also time breathing. I tend to give myself a headache by not breathing often enough. Then I got this crick in my neck and it made turning my head painful. I did some PT and it's better. I figured if I can get a strong form down, I can incorporate breathing a bit easier. *Shrugs* it's just a theory.
PlayTri. They have a couple of locations. I will also let you know how the workshop/clinic goes on Monday night.1 -
1st October - 0 Miles
2nd October - 0 Miles
3rd October - 1.1 Miles @ 8:12/mi (testing injury)
4th October - 5 Miles @ 7:18/mi
5th October - 0 Miles
6th October - 1.8 Miles @ 10:57/mi (Coaching)
7th October - 0 Miles
8th October - 19 Miles @ 8:47/mi
9th October - 0 Miles
10th October - 5 Miles @ 7:13/mi
11th October - 0 Miles
12th October - 5 Miles (Minus 5 miles - Niggle)
13th October - 3.12 Miles (Minus 3.12 miles - Niggle)
14th October - 0 Miles
15th October - 15 Miles 5 miles @ 7:45/mi (Minus 10 miles - Hangover & Niggle)
16th October - 0 Miles
17th October - 6 Miles 3 miles @ 7:04/mi (Minus 3 miles - Niggle just about still there)
Bit of a flop last week and a bit as I have been fighting a bit of a niggle. #weddingfuntimeshangoversandinjuries
The following are to be completed.
18th October - 5 miles * ADDED 5 catch up miles
19th October - 8 Miles * ADDED 2 catch up mile
20th October - 5 Miles * ADDED 2 catch up mile
21st October - 0 Miles
22nd October - 20 Miles
23rd October - 0 Miles
24th October - 9 Miles * ADDED 1 catch up mile
25th October - 0 Miles
26th October - 9 Miles
27th October - 5 Miles * ADDED 2 catch up miles
28th October - 0 Miles
29th October - 22.1 Miles
30th October - 0 Miles
31st October - 11 Miles * ADDED 3 catch up miles
To clarify this has me at 39.9 completed out of 134 miles target now.
Should be fun playing catch up. I don't think I will now hit the total, but will do my best!
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10/1 rest
10/2 5.5miles 50m:22s
10/3 5miles 45m:30s
10/4 9miles 1h:24m:02s
10/5 6miles 55:m:30s
10/6 11miles 1h:45m:40s
10/7 4miles 38m:39s
10/8 rest
10/9 6.56miles 61m:30s
10/10 5miles 47m:01s
10/11 7miles 1h:06m:10s
10/12 4.42miles 48m:00s
10/13 12miles 1h:53m:24s
10/15 5miles 48m:31s
10/16 rest
10/17 5.8miles 55m:37s
10/18 7miles 64m:13s
Great run this morning. It was a bit chilly! I decided to keep my sweatshirt on. Ended up ditching/hiding it about 1 mile into my run. It was still there when I got back so yeah! I figured if someone took it they needed it far more than I did and I was ok with that, although it was one of my favorites.
Tomorrow 9 miles and it’s not even my long run
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Guys!!! I found the solution to male nipple chafe!!
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@7lenny7 ROFL, that is AMAZING!0
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@7lenny7 I don't think I'm ever going to be able to unsee that.0
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@7lenny7 that is my new favorite thing.1
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10/1- 6 miles+ doggie walking
10/2-P90X3 Total Synergystics+ doggie walking
10/3-P90X3 Agility +7.1 hilly miles
10/4- P90X3 yoga + hour of walking the pup
10/5-45 minute weight training+5 miles+15 min doggie walk
10/6- P90X3 Dynamix + 50 minutes of doggie walking
10/7-10 miles + 25 minutes doggie walking with some little jogs thrown in
10/8-P90X3 Challenge (push up/pull up marathon) + 1.4 miles with Stella in the rain
10/9 4.5 miles + 40 minutes walking with doggie
10/10- 4.2 miles lunchtime+ 2.3 miles on treadmill+30 minutes strength (core and chest)+ 40 min w/ doggie
10/11-25 minutes yoga + doggie walks
10/12-Rest/travel day
10/13-7.2 miles-leg #10 Bourbon Chase
10/14-5.4 miles@3Am+6.7 miles 3PM legs 22 and 34 Bourbon Chase
10/15-Rest/travel day
10/16-45 minutes walking the dog
59.8/100 miles
Just catching up from the weekend. Planning a run this afternoon.1 -
@Elise4270 I was a single sided breather for the longest time and if pushing really hard will resort to single sided breathing. In my adult swim club one of the drills they use to improve breathing was to put on fins or use a pool buoy so you don't have to worry about kicking or legs sinking. Then do a length breathing normally/favorite side. Concentrate on body/arm and head position when you do the body roll to take a breath. Top ear out of the water, bottom ear wet and bottom eye below/at water line.I'm giving up trying to learn how to breath and find my cadence. Figure if I do the snorkel, get stronger and find my groove I can try some workouts sans snorkel- one thing at a time. I'm also going to look at some hand paddles. I may be overdoing it with stuff.... I need direction. And a watch for laps.... I gotta see if I'm improving, right?
The pool is calling me. I just gotta swim.
Do the next length on your weak/non-breathing side and try to mirror your strong side positions when you roll for a breath. Roll the body - not the head. Rinse and repeat. Some found the fins easier to use - others a pool buoy.
Finis Snorkel Amazon
Finis Swim Snorkel Video
Snorkel Reviewseanevan10 wrote: »@Elise4270 no idea but would love to hear because one of goals is to do a sprint Tri so I am going to just follow this convo.
@seanevan10 Swim Lessons with a focus on what type of Tri it is - Open Water or Pool.
You will need to incorporate what is commonly called a BRICK Workout in your routines.
Swim Tri distance and then Bike the Distance - This helps you understand the Transition and where you can improve/save time.
Bike and then Run. A very different experience as your feet have been going in circles and now you want them to do a running stride. Many people have a bad case of the wobbles and associated falls when they first try it.
For your first Brick Workouts maybe do 50% of the event distance just to get a feel for it.girlinahat wrote: »Things I was taught - breathe every two strokes.
Don't turn your head, roll your body more - check out videos of swimsmooth technique on that.
Slow down. We say it to new runners all the time but the same goes for swimming. You can cover MORE distance faster and longer if you actually slow, glide, and get form and breathing at the sweet spot. There's something called a SWOLF score which combines your speed with your strokes or something. The lower the score the better. Less strokes over a greater distance is what you want.
Another drill we use to check general swim ability is called 60 Strokes. ie less strokes more distance.
Push off from the wall and count 60 strokes, stop when you hit sixty and then tally up how much distance you have covered. When you get more advanced you will also time the drill. Record it and at the end of a training cycle do the same drill to track improvements.4 -
@juliet3455 Thanks for sharing that valuable information! I took a screenshot so I won't forget.
Looks like I have another 2 weeks to study up before the pool is back open.0 -
Hi People,
The past 4 weeks have been a running disaster for me. Too busy with work & not having time to run and then getting stressed because I was missing my runs. Don't know how rest of month will go but will try. I always feel better after a run.
12/10 3.21 miles
17/10 3.31 miles
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I think I've changed my mind on running today. My first logic was that if I'm gonna miss a few days I might as well run and then I'll have a few days to recoup. But dang, this throat stuff. I am clearing my throat every 60 seconds. I want this gone ASAP and I don't think it's worth it to drag it out even one more day!0
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October 1 - 16 km
October 2 - 16 km
October 3 - 16 km
October 4 - 16 km
October 5 - 16 km
October 6 - 16 km
October 7 - rest day
October 8 - 21 km
October 9 - 16 km
October 10 - 16 km
October 11 - 16 km
October 12 - strength training/stairmarster
October 13 - 16 km
October 14 - strength training/stairmarster
October 15 - 18.5 km
October 16 - rest day
October 17 - 16.5 km/ stairmarster
October 18 - 16 km run /strength training
Total km - 232 km out of 350 km
Not as fast this morning. Would say doing 40 minutes on the stairmaster last evening would have a lot to do with it. Oh well onwards and upwards anyway
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10/06 - 4.0 miles
10/08 - 4.0 miles
10/09 - Rest Day
10/10 - Rest Day (not planned)
10/11 - 4.0 miles
10/12 - 3.0 miles
10/13 - Uncle's funeral service - did not run
10/14 - 8.0 miles
10/15 - Rest Day
10/16 - 5.0 miles
10/17 - Rest Day
28/119 miles
Spent 7 hours in the car today driving for work. My twelve hour work day is complete. Tomorrow is 6 miles, 7 on Thursday, 5 on Friday and 9 on Saturday.
@amymoreorless - Not sure about overtraining syndrome, but I also have over schedule syndrome. My DH and kids can tell you if I ran a particular day or not because I am usually in a better mood if I do run. They will probably take overtraining syndrome to any other me syndrome any day of the week.
@cburke9809 - Hope the calf heals and your back to running soon!
@hjeppley - Congrats on your 8 mile run!
@greenolivetree - Feel better soon.
@Orphia - Congrats on finishing the Melbourne Marathon Festival 2017 HM.
@OSUbuckeye96 - Feel better and prepare for the NY Marathon the best you can. My friend ran it a couple years ago after completing a week and half mission trip overseas and she reported that the winds were bad on race day.
@MNLittleFinn - Good luck at Wild Duluth 100K
Upcoming Races:
12/02/2017 St Jude Memphis Marathon Weekend (HM)
01/13/2018 - Louisiana Marathon (Quarter Marathon)
02/17/2018 - Mardi Gras Mambo (10K)2 -
10/1 - Rest
10/2 - Rest
10/3 - 5 miles treadmill before weight lifting
10/4 - 8.15 miles
10/5 - 5 miles treadmill. Worst workout ever with serious BG problems. So bad that I skipped weight lifting afterwards.
10/6 - Rest
10/7 - 1.4 miles. Was supposed to be 12 miles, but it was raining and I had some GI issues. Ugh.
10/8 - 4.72 miles. Was harder than it should have been.
10/9 - Rest
10/10 - Figured out why I've been having GI/stomach issues/pain and difficulty breathing. Gall stones. Skipped run to try to flush gall stones.
10/11 - 5.04 miles - was supposed to be race pace. Some gall stones were flushed, but still having abdomen issues. Still, this went pretty well and was almost to race pace. Going to do the home flush again on 10/13 to get rid of any remaining gall stones.
10/12 - 5.53 miles. Went well, but will still do another gall bladder flush.
10/13 - Rest / 2nd gall bladder flush
10/14 - Rest
10/15 - 12 miles
10/16 - Rest
10/17 - 5.58 miles
Upcoming Races:
10/21/17 - Oregon Trail Run marathon (First marathon... goal 4:10)2 -
greenolivetree wrote: »I think I've changed my mind on running today. My first logic was that if I'm gonna miss a few days I might as well run and then I'll have a few days to recoup. But dang, this throat stuff. I am clearing my throat every 60 seconds. I want this gone ASAP and I don't think it's worth it to drag it out even one more day!
Your not alone. I was gonna bike today but realized I forgot my Garmin. Ok I can go old school and just ride. But on second thought, I'll skip it. My ankle still hurts.
Train smart sister.
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AND I DID IT!!
5km no walking! Secondary goal complete. Now to be able to do it again....and consistently.
Oct.17 - 5.6km
MTD 56.9km/100km16 -
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October goal: 70 miles
10/1: 7.7 miles
10/3: 3 miles (intervals)
10/4: 3.1 miles
10/5: 2.3 miles
10/7: 3.1 miles (race)
10/8: 5.7 miles
10/10: 3.3 miles (intervals)
10/11: 3.2 miles
10/12: 2.7 miles
10/14: 3.1 miles (virtual race)
10/15: 7.2 miles
10/17: 3.1 miles (intervals)
47.5/70 miles
Pretty crappy run today. I missed a couple of voice cues on the intervals so that really annoyed me. I did throw in a couple of sprints fartlek style to make up for the ones I missed. But my whole run just felt off. Maybe tomorrow will be better.
I did see a baby horse in the pasture that I haven't seen before so that was cool.
But I was told today that I am getting too thin and that really hurts my feelings. No one was worried about my health when I was obese at 195 pounds, but drop to 119 and then they are worried. I am in the middle of my range. I am not trying to lose any more, but I don't think I am too thin. Apparently I run too much.
Sorry for the rant. I guess I'm just having a bad day.
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10/01 - Rest
10/02 - 10 miles Z2
10/03 - 9 miles easy Z2 in the heat
10/04 - Strength + 7 miles Z3/4
10/05 - Strength + 6 miles Z2 in the rain
10/06 - 11 Miles Z2
10/07 - 16 Miles Z2
10/08 - Rest
10/09 - 9 Miles Z2
10/10 - 10.5 miles Z2
10/11 - Strength + 6.25 miles Z2
10/12 - Strength + 7 Miles
10/13 - 7 Miles
10/14 - Stop Drop and Run Race - 4.5 mile
10/15 - 11 miles
10/16 - Rest
10/17 - 7 Miles Easy
Summer Goal: Get my marathon pace below 9 minutes.
Official Marathon PR: 4:11:28
Next Races (more as I find them):
Thanksgiving morning - Turkey Trot - Double Gobbler! (5K + 5 miles)
05/06/18 - Pittsburgh Marathon - aiming for sub four hours.
05/12/18 - Glacier Ridge 50k Trail Ultra
Wanted to do more, schedule and life events prevented it but at least I got out today! Yay!1 -
Work left me absolutely wiped out today. So stressful. Wasn't sure if I'd be able to run tonight. It was so bad that I was worried about nodding off while driving home.
Got home, drank a little bit of chai, then changed and hopped on the treadmill fully expecting to only be able to do a mile or two. 6.5 miles later.... OK, I guess I was able to run after all. It was slow going, but hey, I got in a full run.
Now for some more stress... NLCS game 3. Come on Cubs, how about a win?3 -
October Running Totals (miles)
10/1 – rest day
10/2 – 5.07 easy
10/3 – 5.05 easy
10/4 – rest day
10/5 – 6.01 easy
10/6 – rest day
10/7 – 10.09 paced run
10/8 – 7.20 easy to MP
10/9 – rest day
10/10 – 6.09 mostly easy
10/11 – 6.30 group run
10/12 – 6.12 easy
10/13 – rest day
10/14 – 11.02 paced run
10/15 – 6.51 rainy run
10/16 – rest day
10/17 – 6.02 easy plus intervals
October running total to date – 75.48
Nominal challenge goal: 100 miles
Real goals: Get healthy enough to run 5 days a week. Avoid re-injury. Build base.
Today's notes – Today was a cluster-*kitten* organizationally. Tons of errands associated with getting a new car and preparing to give old car to my daughter. This was punctuated by my old car failing to start, prompting the second wait for AAA in 2 days. At least today I got the battery replaced. Then the power went out at home. Off to Subway instead of fixing my normal lunch. Get the insurance taken care of. Picking up the new car took a lot longer than it should. Thought I'd bag the run, but my power came back on at 4 PM. I don't usually think about how much my routine depends on having electricity . . . until I don't have it.
Scrambled to get to club practice. Arrived late, missed the time for warmup. Saw that the assigned workouts were too tough for me right now; ended up running 4 x 400 at T level of effort. Didn't time the laps, and the 400 was approximate in cross country fashion. Also downhill, so I didn't worry about the watch showing a pace faster than my normal T pace, as long as the first digit was 6.
Padded that out with easy running to get to 6 miles. That felt pretty good, possibly in part due to near perfect running weather. Yeah, it got dark; but today I had lights to turn on. Starting next week club practice will be on a track with lights, and stay there till December.
2017 races:
January 1, 2017 Freezeroo #2 (Resolution Run 7.5 mile) (Mendon, NY) Finished in 50:45
January 7, 2017 Winter Warrior Half Marathon (Gates, NY) Finished in 1:32:40
January 14, 2017 Freezeroo #3 (Pineway Ponds Park 5 mile) (Spencerport, NY) Finished in 33:42
January 28, 2017 Freezeroo #4 (Hearnish 5 mile) (Victor, NY) short course, finished 4.88 miles in 32:50
February 4, 2017 USATF Cross Country National Championship Masters 8K (Bend, OR) Finished in 35:39, team won the 60+ Men's cross country championship
February 11, 2017 Freezeroo #5 (Valentines Run "In Memory of Tom Brannon" 8 Mile) (Greece, NY) sat out due to training schedule
February 25, 2017 Freezeroo #6 (White House Challenge 4.4 mile) (Webster, NY) short course, finished 4.34 miles in 27:51
March 11, 2017 Johnny's Runnin' of the Green 5 mile (Rochester, NY) finished in 33:25
March 18, 2017 USATF Masters 8K Championship (Shamrock 8K, Virginia Beach, VA) finished in 30:59, PR for 8K
April 17, 2017 Boston Marathon (Hopkinton, MA) finished in 3:49:42
April 30, 2017 USATF Masters 10K Championship (James Joyce Ramble, Dedham, MA) finished in 39:54, PR for 10K
May 21, 2017 Lilac Run 10K (Rochester, NY) finished in 40:04
May 27, 2017 Canandaigua Classic Half Marathon (Canandaigua, NY) finished in 1:33:06
June 9, 2017 Charlie McMullen Mile (Fairport, NY) finished in 5:44.90, PR for mile
June 18, 2017 Medved 5K to Cure ALS (Rochester, NY) finished in 19:32
July 4, 2017 Firecracker Four Mile (Fairport, NY) finished in 25:42
July 15, 2017 Shoreline Half Marathon [1:40 pacer] (Hamlin, NY) finished in 1:39:05
July 28, 2017 Karknocker 5K (East Rochester, NY) finished in 19:28
August 9, 2017 Pound the Ground 10K (Mendon, NY) finished in 41:26
August 12, 2017 Bergen Road Race 5K (Bergen, NY) finished in 19:47
August 25, 2017 USATF Masters Mile (Hap Crim Michigan Mile, Flint, MI) DNS - injury
September 3, 2017 Oak Tree Half Marathon (Geneseo, NY) DNS - injury
September 17, 2017 MVP Rochester Marathon (Rochester, NY) DNS - injury
October 29, 2017 Pete Glavin XC Race 4 6K (Brighton, NY)
November 23, 2017 Race with Grace 10K (Hilton, NY)
2018 races:
January 6, 2018 Winter Warrior Half Marathon (Gates, NY)
April 16, 2018 Boston Marathon (Hopkinton, MA)
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