Pros and cons of a Keto Diet
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lemurcat12 wrote: »AlabasterVerve wrote: »I eat less vegetables now just because I eat less than I did before but a day that looks like this (fruit & vegetables in the morning, salad for lunch and roasted vegetables for dinner) isn't unusual and I imagine it is a lot of vegetables for most (low carb or not):
Summary: 2.5 pounds or 14 servings of vegetables, 37 net carbs
That's similar to how I was eating when ketoing, and I believe I was in ketosis, but I kept getting the message for others that "keto" should be lower and I wasn't doing it right, and all the people posting about starting kept getting the advice to stay below 20 or certainly below 50 g carbs total.
I totally agree that if you stick to below 50 g net and focus on getting those primarily from vegetables that it can be done. It's the advice that you should aim for below 20 and even that as low as possible is better, that 5 g carbs is something to consider a perfect day, that I found problematic. NOT for people who want to try carnivore or who think they have a problem with veg (not my business, different things work for different people), but as what seems to be the message some places for how keto should be done.
I DON'T mean the main keto/low carb thread here, where I think all kinds of ways of low carbing are done and people are non judgmental, but many parts of the keto world and in many of the challenges I saw on MFP. I basically could not have done most of the keto challenges, since too many veg. Which is fine, since I had been around enough not to be discouraged from what I was doing, but I think this does tell some newbies they are better off NOT eating many veg.
Yeah, they get down right vicious on some of the Facebook keto groups. You can even be kicked out for asking about their thoughts on above 20g carbs. It's crazy! Those people are taking something helpful and turning it into something no one can live by except their little cultish following.. And the "THATS NOT KETO!" Mentality makes me want to slap the stupid out of them. If it don't throw you out of ketosis.. it's bleedin keto!
20g-50g is usually what people do but you can play around with it and test to see what amount of carbs throws you back out of ketosis. Some can get up to 100g..but they are more rare. And foods they say isn't keto?? Pfft. If you google the list of keto foods, one may have the item restricted while another has it under "in moderation" category. One of the list forbid coffee!! Ehem..BP coffee is still coffee..
My point is to those who only knew the stricter side of keto.. Chillax! Anyone would fail under YOUR guidelines! Ever wonder why so many don't fail? Cause we we do things OUR WAY. And it works..8 -
Probably the biggest con with Keto and any fad diet is the fact that the probability of them being sustainable for life is infinitesimally small. As such, it does not really facilitate a lifestyle change, just a temporary "diet". When you add in the fact that highly restrictive regimens in general increase the likelihood of failure for a life change with an already sky high rate of attrition, it's probably not the wisest of ideas for most people.11
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JustRobby1 wrote: »Probably the biggest con with Keto and any fad diet is the fact that the probability of them being sustainable for life is infinitesimally small. As such, it does not really facilitate a lifestyle change, just a temporary "diet". When you add in the fact that highly restrictive regimens in general increase the likelihood of failure for a life change with an already sky high rate of attrition, it's probably not the wisest of ideas for most people.
I don't disagree with what you said other then I don't think Keto is a fad. Plenty of people find it fits their lifestyle and preferences and IMO they are the only ones who should do it. I just caution people not to do it because you've been told it's the only way to achieve health and well being...9 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »AlabasterVerve wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »AlabasterVerve wrote: »I eat less vegetables now just because I eat less than I did before but a day that looks like this (fruit & vegetables in the morning, salad for lunch and roasted vegetables for dinner) isn't unusual and I imagine it is a lot of vegetables for most (low carb or not):
Summary: 2.5 pounds or 14 servings of vegetables, 37 net carbs
That's similar to how I was eating when ketoing, and I believe I was in ketosis, but I kept getting the message for others that "keto" should be lower and I wasn't doing it right, and all the people posting about starting kept getting the advice to stay below 20 or certainly below 50 g carbs total.
I totally agree that if you stick to below 50 g net and focus on getting those primarily from vegetables that it can be done. It's the advice that you should aim for below 20 and even that as low as possible is better, that 5 g carbs is something to consider a perfect day, that I found problematic. NOT for people who want to try carnivore or who think they have a problem with veg (not my business, different things work for different people), but as what seems to be the message some places for how keto should be done.
I DON'T mean the main keto/low carb thread here, where I think all kinds of ways of low carbing are done and people are non judgmental, but many parts of the keto world and in many of the challenges I saw on MFP. I basically could not have done most of the keto challenges, since too many veg. Which is fine, since I had been around enough not to be discouraged from what I was doing, but I think this does tell some newbies they are better off NOT eating many veg.
I think the 20g carb limit allows for more than enough vegetables and is reasonable in that it ensures ketosis - which is important when telling people to eat to satiety. It's more restrictive than need be for a lot of people I imagine but it's a reasonable suggestion for a ketogenic diet.
That said, I do really, really hate the less-carbs-the-better-fat-bombs-protein-turns-to-sugar keto mentality you'll find some places but there's more sources for good information than bad I think (for those who care, some don't).
I think we are largely in agreement, although I really disagree that 20 g carbs allows for enough vegetables. <snip>
I'm in the old school "eat your vegetables, they're good for you" camp. The more recent "more is better" vegetable hysteria is not something I subscribe to - healthful, lovely and fine if you enjoy it but not necessary or optimal for good health.0 -
Oh I forgot, some other pros of Keto (compared to high carbs) for:
* Epilepsy
* Alzheimers
* Parkinsons
Ketones: Metabolism's Ugly Duckling
Theodore B. Vanitallie, M D Thomas H. Nufert, BA
Nutrition Reviews, Volume 61, Issue 10, 1 October 2003, Pages 327–341, https://doi.org/10.1301/nr.2003.oct.327-34110 -
Shame about all the people who continue to argue against Keto, while millions more people across the globe continue to be trapped and become part of the obesity epidemic. Arguing that just go ahead and eat whatever you like as long as you stay within calories.
The modern 'fad' for carb centric diets started after WW2 but it clearly hasn't worked, as evidenced by looking around while at the mall.
It's about time people started waking up and getting back to the position of Ketosis being absolutely okay and a natural experience that many people went into and out of regularly over hundreds of thousands of years of man's evolution.29 -
Oh I forgot, some other pros of Keto (compared to high carbs) for:
* Epilepsy
* Alzheimers
* Parkinsons
Ketones: Metabolism's Ugly Duckling
Theodore B. Vanitallie, M D Thomas H. Nufert, BA
Nutrition Reviews, Volume 61, Issue 10, 1 October 2003, Pages 327–341, https://doi.org/10.1301/nr.2003.oct.327-341
The only choices are not just keto or high carb. False dilemma. And high carb in a person at a healthy body weight and eating a overall healthy diet had not been proven to have harmful health effects.8 -
Shame about all the people who continue to argue against Keto, while millions more people across the globe continue to be trapped and become part of the obesity epidemic. Arguing that just go ahead and eat whatever you like as long as you stay within calories.
The modern 'fad' for carb centric diets started after WW2 but it clearly hasn't worked, as evidenced by looking around while at the mall.
It's about time people started waking up and getting back to the position of Ketosis being absolutely okay and a natural experience that many people went into and out of regularly over hundreds of thousands of years of man's evolution.
You can get just as fat eating LCHF/Keto as you can eating the SAD (or any variation of the SAD).13 -
Shame about all the people who continue to argue against Keto, while millions more people across the globe continue to be trapped and become part of the obesity epidemic. Arguing that just go ahead and eat whatever you like as long as you stay within calories.
The modern 'fad' for carb centric diets started after WW2 but it clearly hasn't worked, as evidenced by looking around while at the mall.
It's about time people started waking up and getting back to the position of Ketosis being absolutely okay and a natural experience that many people went into and out of regularly over hundreds of thousands of years of man's evolution.
Explain the blue zones..7 -
Shame about all the people who continue to argue against Keto, while millions more people across the globe continue to be trapped and become part of the obesity epidemic. Arguing that just go ahead and eat whatever you like as long as you stay within calories.
The modern 'fad' for carb centric diets started after WW2 but it clearly hasn't worked, as evidenced by looking around while at the mall.
It's about time people started waking up and getting back to the position of Ketosis being absolutely okay and a natural experience that many people went into and out of regularly over hundreds of thousands of years of man's evolution.
You say it so much nicer than I do..
Course I envy those who can carb and lose weight.. but I agree.. it APPARENTLY isn't the easiest way or more obese people wouldn't struggle and give up and restart over and over and over and.. well you get the idea. The only complaint from anti ketoers is from those who continued to over eat on it trying to hit macros .. not sure how that's possible but I think they are saying "do it for me so I don't have to do any work".. and from those who agreed it worked but didn't feel it was varied enough in choices because they listened to the psycho keto cults that restricted everything and didn't tell them about keto breads and noodles and deserts (or they are just lazy and if it isn't prepackaged it's not an option..) Now their minds are permanently poisoned to the idea.11 -
Shame about all the people who continue to argue against Keto, while millions more people across the globe continue to be trapped and become part of the obesity epidemic. Arguing that just go ahead and eat whatever you like as long as you stay within calories.
The modern 'fad' for carb centric diets started after WW2 but it clearly hasn't worked, as evidenced by looking around while at the mall.
It's about time people started waking up and getting back to the position of Ketosis being absolutely okay and a natural experience that many people went into and out of regularly over hundreds of thousands of years of man's evolution.
You can get just as fat eating LCHF/Keto as you can eating the SAD (or any variation of the SAD).
Again, those aren't the only 2 choices. False dilemma.4 -
GlassAngyl wrote: »Shame about all the people who continue to argue against Keto, while millions more people across the globe continue to be trapped and become part of the obesity epidemic. Arguing that just go ahead and eat whatever you like as long as you stay within calories.
The modern 'fad' for carb centric diets started after WW2 but it clearly hasn't worked, as evidenced by looking around while at the mall.
It's about time people started waking up and getting back to the position of Ketosis being absolutely okay and a natural experience that many people went into and out of regularly over hundreds of thousands of years of man's evolution.
You say it so much nicer than I do..
Course I envy those who can carb and lose weight.. but I agree.. it APPARENTLY isn't the easiest way or more obese people wouldn't struggle and give up and restart over and over and over and.. well you get the idea. The only complaint from anti ketoers is from those who continued to over eat on it trying to hit macros .. not sure how that's possible but I think they are saying "do it for me so I don't have to do any work".. and from those who agreed it worked but didn't feel it was varied enough in choices because they listened to the psycho keto cults that restricted everything and didn't tell them about keto breads and noodles and deserts (or they are just lazy and if it isn't prepackaged it's not an option..) Now their minds are permanently poisoned to the idea.
I hate you're doing it wrong posts - no one ever appreciates them and they're usually not true. Some people don't respond well to keto, some people don't like the food, some people experience no tangible benefits, some people don't lose weight, some people do overeat - it doesn't work for them - and that's ok, it doesn't have to.
That it works for you is enough, right?8 -
Lol. Because carbs cause obesity, right?Shame about all the people who continue to argue against Keto, while millions more people across the globe continue to be trapped and become part of the obesity epidemic. Arguing that just go ahead and eat whatever you like as long as you stay within calories.
The modern 'fad' for carb centric diets started after WW2 but it clearly hasn't worked, as evidenced by looking around while at the mall.
It's about time people started waking up and getting back to the position of Ketosis being absolutely okay and a natural experience that many people went into and out of regularly over hundreds of thousands of years of man's evolution.
Newsflash: it doesn't work for everyone. For some, LC or Keto can cause disastrous effects (IBS, crohns, Hypercholesterolemia, heart disease, etc).
Keto isn't a magic cure.9 -
AlabasterVerve wrote: »That it works for you is enough, right?
In fairness, this advise can be given to all sides...3 -
AlabasterVerve wrote: »GlassAngyl wrote: »Shame about all the people who continue to argue against Keto, while millions more people across the globe continue to be trapped and become part of the obesity epidemic. Arguing that just go ahead and eat whatever you like as long as you stay within calories.
The modern 'fad' for carb centric diets started after WW2 but it clearly hasn't worked, as evidenced by looking around while at the mall.
It's about time people started waking up and getting back to the position of Ketosis being absolutely okay and a natural experience that many people went into and out of regularly over hundreds of thousands of years of man's evolution.
You say it so much nicer than I do..
Course I envy those who can carb and lose weight.. but I agree.. it APPARENTLY isn't the easiest way or more obese people wouldn't struggle and give up and restart over and over and over and.. well you get the idea. The only complaint from anti ketoers is from those who continued to over eat on it trying to hit macros .. not sure how that's possible but I think they are saying "do it for me so I don't have to do any work".. and from those who agreed it worked but didn't feel it was varied enough in choices because they listened to the psycho keto cults that restricted everything and didn't tell them about keto breads and noodles and deserts (or they are just lazy and if it isn't prepackaged it's not an option..) Now their minds are permanently poisoned to the idea.
I hate you're doing it wrong posts - no one ever appreciates them and they're usually not true. Some people don't respond well to keto, some people don't like the food, some people experience no tangible benefits, some people don't lose weight, some people do overeat - it doesn't work for them - and that's ok, it doesn't have to.
That it works for you is enough, right?
Exactly what I've been saying this ENTIRE TIME!
1: "Keto (blurrs out important part) everyone.
2: It worked for me because (blah blah blah I don't want to hear this!)
3:But like I said, if I could do regular cico. I (she hates cico and thinks it's the wrong way! I hate her!)
4: Don't let others discourage you. There is more than one way to do keto. (OMG she just promoted keto!)
5: You may find you don't like it and prefer low carb instead. (Ugh! I hate keto promoters!)
6 and 7: But until you try for yourself, you won't know for sure if it's for you. Some do better on a higher (I refuse to listen to this crap!) diet. (All she did was promote her way of eating!)
So.. let's try this again but fill in the missed blanks. 1:(Isn't for) 2:(Pro's of why it helped me) 3:(Cons of why it may not work for you) 4:(They won't know unless they try for themselves so why bash it?? Unless you are promoting YOUR WOE!) 5:(Maybe they don't want high carbs and only know of two ways.. here is a chance to show them that there are variations to choose from.) 6:(carbs.. yeah.. I promoted something that didn't work for me. Hmmm. That it may or may not work for them is enough, right?) 7:(And back at square one as everything anti-ketoers are against is blanked out as they ignore the part where I promote ALL methods just so long as they TRY it without being biased by others.)
And just so we are clear.. vegetarians and vegans get attacked less than those who want to try keto or low carb. And some of them are keto as well! It isn't easy for vegans though.. Yet, if a VEGAN can attempt to eat high fat and low carb on their TRULY RESTRICTIVE diet, why can't a curious newbie try it for themselves before being attacked and scared away because others found it too hard for them? That's why they add friends who are like minded.. To seek advice when they are confused.12 -
GlassAngyl wrote: »
And just so we are clear.. vegetarians and vegans get attacked less than those who want to try keto or low carb.
How about we make this totally clear. Those who eat keto do NOT get attacked. Those who claim that keto is the only way to eat or make false claims about its superior health benefits WILL receive push back and requests for proof (just like anyone else who claims any kind of absolute). It is not the way you choose to eat, it is the way you (general you) present it to the world that triggers how the world will respond. Since keto is the flavor of the moment, there are currently more of the "you must" type of posts regarding it than other types of diets.
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GlassAngyl wrote: »
And just so we are clear.. vegetarians and vegans get attacked less than those who want to try keto or low carb.
How about we make this totally clear. Those who eat keto do NOT get attacked. Those who claim that keto is the only way to eat or make false claims about its superior health benefits WILL receive push back and requests for proof (just like anyone else who claims any kind of absolute). It is not the way you choose to eat, it is the way you (general you) present it to the world that triggers how the world will respond. Since keto is the flavor of the moment, there are currently more of the "you must" type of posts regarding it than other types of diets.
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GlassAngyl wrote: »AlabasterVerve wrote: »GlassAngyl wrote: »Shame about all the people who continue to argue against Keto, while millions more people across the globe continue to be trapped and become part of the obesity epidemic. Arguing that just go ahead and eat whatever you like as long as you stay within calories.
The modern 'fad' for carb centric diets started after WW2 but it clearly hasn't worked, as evidenced by looking around while at the mall.
It's about time people started waking up and getting back to the position of Ketosis being absolutely okay and a natural experience that many people went into and out of regularly over hundreds of thousands of years of man's evolution.
You say it so much nicer than I do..
Course I envy those who can carb and lose weight.. but I agree.. it APPARENTLY isn't the easiest way or more obese people wouldn't struggle and give up and restart over and over and over and.. well you get the idea. The only complaint from anti ketoers is from those who continued to over eat on it trying to hit macros .. not sure how that's possible but I think they are saying "do it for me so I don't have to do any work".. and from those who agreed it worked but didn't feel it was varied enough in choices because they listened to the psycho keto cults that restricted everything and didn't tell them about keto breads and noodles and deserts (or they are just lazy and if it isn't prepackaged it's not an option..) Now their minds are permanently poisoned to the idea.
I hate you're doing it wrong posts - no one ever appreciates them and they're usually not true. Some people don't respond well to keto, some people don't like the food, some people experience no tangible benefits, some people don't lose weight, some people do overeat - it doesn't work for them - and that's ok, it doesn't have to.
That it works for you is enough, right?
Exactly what I've been saying literally this ENTIRE TIME! But no.. let's pick and choose what they want to see..
1: "Keto (blurrs out important part) everyone.
2: It worked for me because (blah blah blah I don't want to hear this!)
3:But like I said, if I could do regular cico. I (she hates cico and thinks it's the wrong way! I hate her!)
4: Don't let others discourage you. There is more than one way to do keto. (OMG she just promoted keto!)
5: You may find you don't like it and prefer low carb instead. (Ugh! I hate keto promoters!)
6 and 7: But until you try for yourself, you won't know for sure if it's for you. Some do better on a higher (I refuse to listen to this crap!) diet. (All she did was promote her way of eating!)
So.. let's try this again but fill in the missed blanks. 1:(Isn't for) 2:(Pro's of why it helped me) 3:(Cons of why it may not work for you) 4:(They won't know unless they try for themselves so why bash it?? Unless you are promoting YOUR WOE!) 5:(Maybe they don't want high carbs and only know of two ways.. here is a chance to show them that there are variations to choose from.) 6:(carbs.. yeah.. I promoted something that didn't work for me. Hmmm. That it may or may not work for them is enough, right?) 7:(And back at square one as everything anti-ketoers are against is blanked out as they ignore the part where I promote ALL methods just so long as they TRY it without being biased by others.)
And just so we are clear.. vegetarians and vegans get attacked less than those who want to try keto or low carb. And some of them are keto as well! It isn't easy for vegans though.. Yet, if a VEGAN can attempt to eat high fat and low carb on their TRULY RESTRICTIVE diet, why can't a curious newbie try it for themselves before being attacked and scared away because others found it too hard for them? That's why they add friends who are like minded.. To seek advice when they are confused.
I agree with you 100% - you've nailed the experience most have with the general forums and it's why so few who eat low carb post here. All of the what-about-mah-vegtables, it's not sustainable, your breath, your kidneys, you can't cut out a whole food group, everything in moderation and the number the of woo's on posts for anyone who takes the time to share their positive experience with the diet is wrong. And it's absolutely shameful the ignorant, anti low carb bias is the loudest voice on the forums even when it's recommended by a posters doctor.
I hate all of that but the reverse it true too - a ketogenic diet isn't right for everyone and they should be able to share that.9 -
GlassAngyl wrote: »
And just so we are clear.. vegetarians and vegans get attacked less than those who want to try keto or low carb.
How about we make this totally clear. Those who eat keto do NOT get attacked. Those who claim that keto is the only way to eat or make false claims about its superior health benefits WILL receive push back and requests for proof (just like anyone else who claims any kind of absolute). It is not the way you choose to eat, it is the way you (general you) present it to the world that triggers how the world will respond. Since keto is the flavor of the moment, there are currently more of the "you must" type of posts regarding it than other types of diets.
^^^ For the win...4 -
GlassAngyl wrote: »Shame about all the people who continue to argue against Keto, while millions more people across the globe continue to be trapped and become part of the obesity epidemic. Arguing that just go ahead and eat whatever you like as long as you stay within calories.
The modern 'fad' for carb centric diets started after WW2 but it clearly hasn't worked, as evidenced by looking around while at the mall.
It's about time people started waking up and getting back to the position of Ketosis being absolutely okay and a natural experience that many people went into and out of regularly over hundreds of thousands of years of man's evolution.
You say it so much nicer than I do..
Course I envy those who can carb and lose weight.. but I agree.. it APPARENTLY isn't the easiest way or more obese people wouldn't struggle and give up and restart over and over and over and.. well you get the idea. The only complaint from anti ketoers is from those who continued to over eat on it trying to hit macros .. not sure how that's possible but I think they are saying "do it for me so I don't have to do any work".. and from those who agreed it worked but didn't feel it was varied enough in choices because they listened to the psycho keto cults that restricted everything and didn't tell them about keto breads and noodles and deserts (or they are just lazy and if it isn't prepackaged it's not an option..) Now their minds are permanently poisoned to the idea.
I'm calling you out on this. You obviously have plenty of time and energy in your life to plan, prep and cook home made meals. Good for you. Glad to know you think anyone working two or three jobs to pay the rent and buy food, or coming home exhausted from a 4 hour daily commute is just lazy when they pop a packaged meal into the microwave.12 -
I'm currently doing keto for migraine control - so far the biggest pro is that I haven't had a migraine all week...we'll see how it holds up over the course of a month since my migraines are definitely somewhat tied to menstrual cycle...but so far so good.
And on a HUGE PRO side for me - I can eat all the foods that used to be migraine triggers (beef, pork, chicken, etc) and I don't have a migraine afterward - I have spent over 5 years not being able to eat a lot of my favorite foods, so for me this is a huge thing.
There are many different versions of keto, I'm starting with 2:1 - if that keeps the migraines away I will not make any changes. That's 2 fat calories for every 1 protein + carb calorie. I'm doing net carbs at this time, not total. I was already low carb and did not alter my calorie or protein goals when switching to keto, just shifted the goals away from carbs and over to fat.
So far the only con has been slightly more effort in planning food. I already pre-logged my food most days, so this isn't a huge change for me, but I do find I have to tweak the numbers a bit to get my goals where I want them...a whole avocado where I might have usually only used half, or cottage cheese were I might have previously had yogurt.
I suspect I will miss crisps when PMS week comes around, that will probably be a con...but I can have salted nuts, so I'll get through it.
My goal is to do this 2 years and then gradually start increasing carbs and shifting the ratio closer to 1:1 or whatever I can tolerate without a return of symptoms. In studies with epileptic children the brain changes were permanent after 2 years and seizures didn't return when the diet was changed from keto to low carb - I haven't found any studies regarding permanence in adults, so this will be a self-experiment.
Realistically, even if I have to eat this way forever, it's better than having migraines, and I'll take bacon over potato chips just about any day.10 -
tcunbeliever wrote: »I'm currently doing keto for migraine control - so far the biggest pro is that I haven't had a migraine all week...we'll see how it holds up over the course of a month since my migraines are definitely somewhat tied to menstrual cycle...but so far so good.
And on a HUGE PRO side for me - I can eat all the foods that used to be migraine triggers (beef, pork, chicken, etc) and I don't have a migraine afterward - I have spent over 5 years not being able to eat a lot of my favorite foods, so for me this is a huge thing.
There are many different versions of keto, I'm starting with 2:1 - if that keeps the migraines away I will not make any changes. That's 2 fat calories for every 1 protein + carb calorie. I'm doing net carbs at this time, not total. I was already low carb and did not alter my calorie or protein goals when switching to keto, just shifted the goals away from carbs and over to fat.
So far the only con has been slightly more effort in planning food. I already pre-logged my food most days, so this isn't a huge change for me, but I do find I have to tweak the numbers a bit to get my goals where I want them...a whole avocado where I might have usually only used half, or cottage cheese were I might have previously had yogurt.
I suspect I will miss crisps when PMS week comes around, that will probably be a con...but I can have salted nuts, so I'll get through it.
My goal is to do this 2 years and then gradually start increasing carbs and shifting the ratio closer to 1:1 or whatever I can tolerate without a return of symptoms. In studies with epileptic children the brain changes were permanent after 2 years and seizures didn't return when the diet was changed from keto to low carb - I haven't found any studies regarding permanence in adults, so this will be a self-experiment.
Realistically, even if I have to eat this way forever, it's better than having migraines, and I'll take bacon over potato chips just about any day.
Great to hear that this is helping! Migraines are no fun.3 -
tcunbeliever wrote: »I'm currently doing keto for migraine control - so far the biggest pro is that I haven't had a migraine all week...we'll see how it holds up over the course of a month since my migraines are definitely somewhat tied to menstrual cycle...but so far so good.
And on a HUGE PRO side for me - I can eat all the foods that used to be migraine triggers (beef, pork, chicken, etc) and I don't have a migraine afterward - I have spent over 5 years not being able to eat a lot of my favorite foods, so for me this is a huge thing.
There are many different versions of keto, I'm starting with 2:1 - if that keeps the migraines away I will not make any changes. That's 2 fat calories for every 1 protein + carb calorie. I'm doing net carbs at this time, not total. I was already low carb and did not alter my calorie or protein goals when switching to keto, just shifted the goals away from carbs and over to fat.
So far the only con has been slightly more effort in planning food. I already pre-logged my food most days, so this isn't a huge change for me, but I do find I have to tweak the numbers a bit to get my goals where I want them...a whole avocado where I might have usually only used half, or cottage cheese were I might have previously had yogurt.
I suspect I will miss crisps when PMS week comes around, that will probably be a con...but I can have salted nuts, so I'll get through it.
My goal is to do this 2 years and then gradually start increasing carbs and shifting the ratio closer to 1:1 or whatever I can tolerate without a return of symptoms. In studies with epileptic children the brain changes were permanent after 2 years and seizures didn't return when the diet was changed from keto to low carb - I haven't found any studies regarding permanence in adults, so this will be a self-experiment.
Realistically, even if I have to eat this way forever, it's better than having migraines, and I'll take bacon over potato chips just about any day.
A slightly off topic side note. I used to get hormone induced migraines. No more. How? Menopause for the win! There are so many advantages to menopause and I am so happy all that is behind me.
I am glad you are finding something that is helping you manage your migraines. They are not fun at all.7 -
cerise_noir wrote: »
Lol. Because carbs cause obesity, right?Shame about all the people who continue to argue against Keto, while millions more people across the globe continue to be trapped and become part of the obesity epidemic. Arguing that just go ahead and eat whatever you like as long as you stay within calories.
The modern 'fad' for carb centric diets started after WW2 but it clearly hasn't worked, as evidenced by looking around while at the mall.
It's about time people started waking up and getting back to the position of Ketosis being absolutely okay and a natural experience that many people went into and out of regularly over hundreds of thousands of years of man's evolution.
Newsflash: it doesn't work for everyone. For some, LC or Keto can cause disastrous effects (IBS, crohns, Hypercholesterolemia, heart disease, etc).
Keto isn't a magic cure.
Only true statement here is that keto isn't a magic cure and doesn't work for everyone. It's a freaking miracle to those who couldn't lose any other way. To those who could, just a diet choice.
You might want to do your research on IBS and Crohns.. There is no substantial study done on IBS sufferers but the one study that was done on 13 participants, 13 had an improvement over a 2 week study and 10 reported an improvement on their condition for the full 4 weeks. Those that reported worse symptoms were found to have been eating to much protein. Some people are confused and thinks protein is suppose to be high.. it isn't. I have IBS and I haven't had one episode since starting low carb.
https://www.verywell.com/ketogenic-diet-for-ibs-4083084
Works on crohns as well..
http://www.ijcasereportsandimages.com/archive/2016/009-2016-ijcri/CR-10690-09-2016-toth/ijcri-1069009201690-toth-full-text.php
It's good for heart disease if USED CORRECTLY (bad fats vs good)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/
And hypocholesterolemia..
https://ketogeniclab.com/how-keto-diet-saved-antyas-life/
And there you have it kids..
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GlassAngyl wrote: »Shame about all the people who continue to argue against Keto, while millions more people across the globe continue to be trapped and become part of the obesity epidemic. Arguing that just go ahead and eat whatever you like as long as you stay within calories.
The modern 'fad' for carb centric diets started after WW2 but it clearly hasn't worked, as evidenced by looking around while at the mall.
It's about time people started waking up and getting back to the position of Ketosis being absolutely okay and a natural experience that many people went into and out of regularly over hundreds of thousands of years of man's evolution.
You say it so much nicer than I do..
Course I envy those who can carb and lose weight.. but I agree.. it APPARENTLY isn't the easiest way or more obese people wouldn't struggle and give up and restart over and over and over and.. well you get the idea. The only complaint from anti ketoers is from those who continued to over eat on it trying to hit macros .. not sure how that's possible but I think they are saying "do it for me so I don't have to do any work".. and from those who agreed it worked but didn't feel it was varied enough in choices because they listened to the psycho keto cults that restricted everything and didn't tell them about keto breads and noodles and deserts (or they are just lazy and if it isn't prepackaged it's not an option..) Now their minds are permanently poisoned to the idea.
I'm calling you out on this. You obviously have plenty of time and energy in your life to plan, prep and cook home made meals. Good for you. Glad to know you think anyone working two or three jobs to pay the rent and buy food, or coming home exhausted from a 4 hour daily commute is just lazy when they pop a packaged meal into the microwave.
I'm glad it's just one flaw you found and has nothing to do with why keto doesn't work at all.4 -
GlassAngyl wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »
Lol. Because carbs cause obesity, right?Shame about all the people who continue to argue against Keto, while millions more people across the globe continue to be trapped and become part of the obesity epidemic. Arguing that just go ahead and eat whatever you like as long as you stay within calories.
The modern 'fad' for carb centric diets started after WW2 but it clearly hasn't worked, as evidenced by looking around while at the mall.
It's about time people started waking up and getting back to the position of Ketosis being absolutely okay and a natural experience that many people went into and out of regularly over hundreds of thousands of years of man's evolution.
Newsflash: it doesn't work for everyone. For some, LC or Keto can cause disastrous effects (IBS, crohns, Hypercholesterolemia, heart disease, etc).
Keto isn't a magic cure.
Only true statement here is that keto isn't a magic cure and doesn't work for everyone. It's a freaking miracle to those who couldn't lose any other way. To those who could, just a diet choice.
You might want to do your research on IBS and Crohns.. There is no substantial study done on IBS sufferers but the one study that was done on 13 participants, 13 had an improvement over a 2 week study and 10 reported an improvement on their condition for the full 4 weeks. Those that reported worse symptoms were found to have been eating to much protein. Some people are confused and thinks protein is suppose to be high.. it isn't. I have IBS and I haven't had one episode since starting low carb.
https://www.verywell.com/ketogenic-diet-for-ibs-4083084
Works on crohns as well..
http://www.ijcasereportsandimages.com/archive/2016/009-2016-ijcri/CR-10690-09-2016-toth/ijcri-1069009201690-toth-full-text.php
It's good for heart disease if USED CORRECTLY (bad fats vs good)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/
And hypocholesterolemia..
https://ketogeniclab.com/how-keto-diet-saved-antyas-life/
And there you have it kids..
Of the two valid sources you listed, I have to ask, did you even read the papers?12
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