Of refeeds and diet breaks
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Rickster1967 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Rickster1967 wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Rickster1967 wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Did anyone stay off the scale for a bit when starting their diet break? Ive been eating at maintenance after the Holiday, and also started strength training about three days ago. I want to make sure im doing the diet break correctly however im not sure Ill stick to it knowing the scale is going up, if so how long did you stay off the scale? A week? Two weeks? more?
I still weighed every day, but then I wanted the data. Really, you should only be seeing an increase on the scale the first few days, if it continues to go up that's possibly a sign you've overshot maintenance cals. It would be a pretty slow increase though, unless you'd miscalculated considerably. If you're more comfortable not weighing, I think that's fine. It should only take a few days to a week to settle back once you're at a deficit again, but then everybody is different I guess.
I was thinking that, but with adding in a new exercise im not sure. When I started playing tennis every day my weight shot up for about ten days. Maybe ill give it a week and check again then.
I don't know how much you still have to lose and at what rate you are set to lose it
But if it's a pound a week or something, you'll need a few weeks in deficit to really notice a loss anyway
so what point does frequent weighing serve? unless you find it motivational you are only confirming the process is working
I'm planning on dropping 2.5lbs per week and not going to weigh for 3 weeks & then only to log it in here to keep the progress chart going
I have about 20 pounds to be to a normal BMI and I'd like to lose a total of another 46, I've lost 50 so far. Probably a pound a week is going to be as fast as I can go unfortunately
right so if it's more like 0.5 to 1 lb per week, you'll need 3 or 4 weeks AT LEAST to see a difference
even then fluctuations for all the known reasons could mask that loss.
This is why trending apps are recommended.
yes
but the lady has already lost 50lbs, she has learnt the process, knows what to do to lose weight, it's merely a case of sticking with the accurate logging now to achieve goal weight - learning what the trend is at her stage doesn't really add much information
the discussion is about when is it worth stepping back on the scale after the diet break for me I'll be waiting 3 weeks at least after getting back to deficit and for Lauren it may not even be worth it then. Her rate of loss is lower than mine. If she weighs in 3 weeks time it may well not show any loss.
In fact, waiting 3 weeks then weighing every day for a week might be useful information now I think about it.
Anyhoo, with 50lbs and more to go we know we are going to be in deficit for a long time yet. Collecting data along the way is definitely very useful though
Her rate of fat loss is lower. Any spike during diet break is water weight and more food in the system, unless she's overshot maintenance cals. For every single other person in this discussion who has done a diet break, that has been gone within a week if I recall correctly, often with a bit extra.2 -
laurenebargar wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Rickster1967 wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Rickster1967 wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Did anyone stay off the scale for a bit when starting their diet break? Ive been eating at maintenance after the Holiday, and also started strength training about three days ago. I want to make sure im doing the diet break correctly however im not sure Ill stick to it knowing the scale is going up, if so how long did you stay off the scale? A week? Two weeks? more?
I still weighed every day, but then I wanted the data. Really, you should only be seeing an increase on the scale the first few days, if it continues to go up that's possibly a sign you've overshot maintenance cals. It would be a pretty slow increase though, unless you'd miscalculated considerably. If you're more comfortable not weighing, I think that's fine. It should only take a few days to a week to settle back once you're at a deficit again, but then everybody is different I guess.
I was thinking that, but with adding in a new exercise im not sure. When I started playing tennis every day my weight shot up for about ten days. Maybe ill give it a week and check again then.
I don't know how much you still have to lose and at what rate you are set to lose it
But if it's a pound a week or something, you'll need a few weeks in deficit to really notice a loss anyway
so what point does frequent weighing serve? unless you find it motivational you are only confirming the process is working
I'm planning on dropping 2.5lbs per week and not going to weigh for 3 weeks & then only to log it in here to keep the progress chart going
I have about 20 pounds to be to a normal BMI and I'd like to lose a total of another 46, I've lost 50 so far. Probably a pound a week is going to be as fast as I can go unfortunately
right so if it's more like 0.5 to 1 lb per week, you'll need 3 or 4 weeks AT LEAST to see a difference
even then fluctuations for all the known reasons could mask that loss.
This is why trending apps are recommended.
I do use libra, I just have been avoiding the scale since the day before christmas, I know ill regret not having the data but also thought it might be a mental break, I can always start inputting data again into Libra.
Im going to have to take this into consideration and make a decision either way, it shouldnt be a difficult one but for some reason it is!
Don't worry, I know all too well how the scale can mess with your head. Do what feels best and easiest to deal with psychologically for you
FWIW, my trend line just flatlined on my first diet break, even though the scale went up, with a small blip up at the end coinciding with ovulation. For me, that was actually comforting that I was indeed maintaining for that 10 days.4 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Rickster1967 wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Rickster1967 wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Did anyone stay off the scale for a bit when starting their diet break? Ive been eating at maintenance after the Holiday, and also started strength training about three days ago. I want to make sure im doing the diet break correctly however im not sure Ill stick to it knowing the scale is going up, if so how long did you stay off the scale? A week? Two weeks? more?
I still weighed every day, but then I wanted the data. Really, you should only be seeing an increase on the scale the first few days, if it continues to go up that's possibly a sign you've overshot maintenance cals. It would be a pretty slow increase though, unless you'd miscalculated considerably. If you're more comfortable not weighing, I think that's fine. It should only take a few days to a week to settle back once you're at a deficit again, but then everybody is different I guess.
I was thinking that, but with adding in a new exercise im not sure. When I started playing tennis every day my weight shot up for about ten days. Maybe ill give it a week and check again then.
I don't know how much you still have to lose and at what rate you are set to lose it
But if it's a pound a week or something, you'll need a few weeks in deficit to really notice a loss anyway
so what point does frequent weighing serve? unless you find it motivational you are only confirming the process is working
I'm planning on dropping 2.5lbs per week and not going to weigh for 3 weeks & then only to log it in here to keep the progress chart going
I have about 20 pounds to be to a normal BMI and I'd like to lose a total of another 46, I've lost 50 so far. Probably a pound a week is going to be as fast as I can go unfortunately
right so if it's more like 0.5 to 1 lb per week, you'll need 3 or 4 weeks AT LEAST to see a difference
even then fluctuations for all the known reasons could mask that loss.
This is why trending apps are recommended.
I do use libra, I just have been avoiding the scale since the day before christmas, I know ill regret not having the data but also thought it might be a mental break, I can always start inputting data again into Libra.
Im going to have to take this into consideration and make a decision either way, it shouldnt be a difficult one but for some reason it is!
Don't worry, I know all too well how the scale can mess with your head. Do what feels best and easiest to deal with psychologically for you
FWIW, my trend line just flatlined on my first diet break, even though the scale went up, with a small blip up at the end coinciding with ovulation. For me, that was actually comforting that I was indeed maintaining for that 10 days.
I think maybe I will get back on the scale, the data has helped me so far in losing the 50 lbs and even if I did put on a pound or two by over shooting my calories I know how to get the weight off. I know it will be higher from the gym at the very least but I should see that go down in 7-10 days.
Ill keep everyone updated on the diet break, and then im transitioning back into losing Jan 8th!5 -
laurenebargar wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Rickster1967 wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Rickster1967 wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Did anyone stay off the scale for a bit when starting their diet break? Ive been eating at maintenance after the Holiday, and also started strength training about three days ago. I want to make sure im doing the diet break correctly however im not sure Ill stick to it knowing the scale is going up, if so how long did you stay off the scale? A week? Two weeks? more?
I still weighed every day, but then I wanted the data. Really, you should only be seeing an increase on the scale the first few days, if it continues to go up that's possibly a sign you've overshot maintenance cals. It would be a pretty slow increase though, unless you'd miscalculated considerably. If you're more comfortable not weighing, I think that's fine. It should only take a few days to a week to settle back once you're at a deficit again, but then everybody is different I guess.
I was thinking that, but with adding in a new exercise im not sure. When I started playing tennis every day my weight shot up for about ten days. Maybe ill give it a week and check again then.
I don't know how much you still have to lose and at what rate you are set to lose it
But if it's a pound a week or something, you'll need a few weeks in deficit to really notice a loss anyway
so what point does frequent weighing serve? unless you find it motivational you are only confirming the process is working
I'm planning on dropping 2.5lbs per week and not going to weigh for 3 weeks & then only to log it in here to keep the progress chart going
I have about 20 pounds to be to a normal BMI and I'd like to lose a total of another 46, I've lost 50 so far. Probably a pound a week is going to be as fast as I can go unfortunately
right so if it's more like 0.5 to 1 lb per week, you'll need 3 or 4 weeks AT LEAST to see a difference
even then fluctuations for all the known reasons could mask that loss.
This is why trending apps are recommended.
I do use libra, I just have been avoiding the scale since the day before christmas, I know ill regret not having the data but also thought it might be a mental break, I can always start inputting data again into Libra.
Im going to have to take this into consideration and make a decision either way, it shouldnt be a difficult one but for some reason it is!
Don't worry, I know all too well how the scale can mess with your head. Do what feels best and easiest to deal with psychologically for you
FWIW, my trend line just flatlined on my first diet break, even though the scale went up, with a small blip up at the end coinciding with ovulation. For me, that was actually comforting that I was indeed maintaining for that 10 days.
I think maybe I will get back on the scale, the data has helped me so far in losing the 50 lbs and even if I did put on a pound or two by over shooting my calories I know how to get the weight off. I know it will be higher from the gym at the very least but I should see that go down in 7-10 days.
Ill keep everyone updated on the diet break, and then im transitioning back into losing Jan 8th!
Remember, to gain a pound of fat you'd have had to have overshot by 3500 cals. My bet is that it's pretty unlikely that you were that far out in your calculations. But, as I think I said somewhere along the line, another reason imho for continuing to weigh, because if you have over calculated, the scale will continue going up beyond that initial few days, and you know to pull back a little on the cals (not all the way!). New exercise muddies the waters a little for you, but if you started that a few days ago, starting weighing again now should stay fairly stable from here on in (assuming you don't increase resistance).0 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Rickster1967 wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Rickster1967 wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Did anyone stay off the scale for a bit when starting their diet break? Ive been eating at maintenance after the Holiday, and also started strength training about three days ago. I want to make sure im doing the diet break correctly however im not sure Ill stick to it knowing the scale is going up, if so how long did you stay off the scale? A week? Two weeks? more?
I still weighed every day, but then I wanted the data. Really, you should only be seeing an increase on the scale the first few days, if it continues to go up that's possibly a sign you've overshot maintenance cals. It would be a pretty slow increase though, unless you'd miscalculated considerably. If you're more comfortable not weighing, I think that's fine. It should only take a few days to a week to settle back once you're at a deficit again, but then everybody is different I guess.
I was thinking that, but with adding in a new exercise im not sure. When I started playing tennis every day my weight shot up for about ten days. Maybe ill give it a week and check again then.
I don't know how much you still have to lose and at what rate you are set to lose it
But if it's a pound a week or something, you'll need a few weeks in deficit to really notice a loss anyway
so what point does frequent weighing serve? unless you find it motivational you are only confirming the process is working
I'm planning on dropping 2.5lbs per week and not going to weigh for 3 weeks & then only to log it in here to keep the progress chart going
I have about 20 pounds to be to a normal BMI and I'd like to lose a total of another 46, I've lost 50 so far. Probably a pound a week is going to be as fast as I can go unfortunately
right so if it's more like 0.5 to 1 lb per week, you'll need 3 or 4 weeks AT LEAST to see a difference
even then fluctuations for all the known reasons could mask that loss.
This is why trending apps are recommended.
I do use libra, I just have been avoiding the scale since the day before christmas, I know ill regret not having the data but also thought it might be a mental break, I can always start inputting data again into Libra.
Im going to have to take this into consideration and make a decision either way, it shouldnt be a difficult one but for some reason it is!
Don't worry, I know all too well how the scale can mess with your head. Do what feels best and easiest to deal with psychologically for you
FWIW, my trend line just flatlined on my first diet break, even though the scale went up, with a small blip up at the end coinciding with ovulation. For me, that was actually comforting that I was indeed maintaining for that 10 days.
I think maybe I will get back on the scale, the data has helped me so far in losing the 50 lbs and even if I did put on a pound or two by over shooting my calories I know how to get the weight off. I know it will be higher from the gym at the very least but I should see that go down in 7-10 days.
Ill keep everyone updated on the diet break, and then im transitioning back into losing Jan 8th!
Remember, to gain a pound of fat you'd have had to have overshot by 3500 cals. My bet is that it's pretty unlikely that you were that far out in your calculations. But, as I think I said somewhere along the line, another reason imho for continuing to weigh, because if you have over calculated, the scale will continue going up beyond that initial few days. New exercise muddies the waters a little for you, but if you started that a few days ago, starting weighing again now should stay fairly stable from here on in (assuming you don't increase resistance).
Yeah I really dont think I would have overshot by that much either. I plan on just keeping up with my new routine, which includes weights (I wasnt doing any strength training before) and ill track my weight and see what it does,2 -
laurenebargar wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Rickster1967 wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Rickster1967 wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Did anyone stay off the scale for a bit when starting their diet break? Ive been eating at maintenance after the Holiday, and also started strength training about three days ago. I want to make sure im doing the diet break correctly however im not sure Ill stick to it knowing the scale is going up, if so how long did you stay off the scale? A week? Two weeks? more?
I still weighed every day, but then I wanted the data. Really, you should only be seeing an increase on the scale the first few days, if it continues to go up that's possibly a sign you've overshot maintenance cals. It would be a pretty slow increase though, unless you'd miscalculated considerably. If you're more comfortable not weighing, I think that's fine. It should only take a few days to a week to settle back once you're at a deficit again, but then everybody is different I guess.
I was thinking that, but with adding in a new exercise im not sure. When I started playing tennis every day my weight shot up for about ten days. Maybe ill give it a week and check again then.
I don't know how much you still have to lose and at what rate you are set to lose it
But if it's a pound a week or something, you'll need a few weeks in deficit to really notice a loss anyway
so what point does frequent weighing serve? unless you find it motivational you are only confirming the process is working
I'm planning on dropping 2.5lbs per week and not going to weigh for 3 weeks & then only to log it in here to keep the progress chart going
I have about 20 pounds to be to a normal BMI and I'd like to lose a total of another 46, I've lost 50 so far. Probably a pound a week is going to be as fast as I can go unfortunately
right so if it's more like 0.5 to 1 lb per week, you'll need 3 or 4 weeks AT LEAST to see a difference
even then fluctuations for all the known reasons could mask that loss.
This is why trending apps are recommended.
I do use libra, I just have been avoiding the scale since the day before christmas, I know ill regret not having the data but also thought it might be a mental break, I can always start inputting data again into Libra.
Im going to have to take this into consideration and make a decision either way, it shouldnt be a difficult one but for some reason it is!
Don't worry, I know all too well how the scale can mess with your head. Do what feels best and easiest to deal with psychologically for you
FWIW, my trend line just flatlined on my first diet break, even though the scale went up, with a small blip up at the end coinciding with ovulation. For me, that was actually comforting that I was indeed maintaining for that 10 days.
I think maybe I will get back on the scale, the data has helped me so far in losing the 50 lbs and even if I did put on a pound or two by over shooting my calories I know how to get the weight off. I know it will be higher from the gym at the very least but I should see that go down in 7-10 days.
Ill keep everyone updated on the diet break, and then im transitioning back into losing Jan 8th!
Remember, to gain a pound of fat you'd have had to have overshot by 3500 cals. My bet is that it's pretty unlikely that you were that far out in your calculations. But, as I think I said somewhere along the line, another reason imho for continuing to weigh, because if you have over calculated, the scale will continue going up beyond that initial few days. New exercise muddies the waters a little for you, but if you started that a few days ago, starting weighing again now should stay fairly stable from here on in (assuming you don't increase resistance).
Yeah I really dont think I would have overshot by that much either. I plan on just keeping up with my new routine, which includes weights (I wasnt doing any strength training before) and ill track my weight and see what it does,
At my peak the last few days I hit 166lbs. That's 10lbs more than my lowest a few weeks ago. I'm one of those people who bounces up 2lbs-ish when I switch to maintenance but I then don't move much. I do the continuing to physically shrink thing instead.
This morning I was 4lbs under that peak and that should continue to drop. I didn't even eat enough for 5lbs gain never mind 10lbs!
So it helps to just think about the numbers to rationalise the irrational tendencies even the best of us have. I haven't maintained or continued to lose over the last 3 years without having a handle on how it all works and strategies to not make myself crazy.4 -
laurenebargar wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Rickster1967 wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Rickster1967 wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Did anyone stay off the scale for a bit when starting their diet break? Ive been eating at maintenance after the Holiday, and also started strength training about three days ago. I want to make sure im doing the diet break correctly however im not sure Ill stick to it knowing the scale is going up, if so how long did you stay off the scale? A week? Two weeks? more?
I still weighed every day, but then I wanted the data. Really, you should only be seeing an increase on the scale the first few days, if it continues to go up that's possibly a sign you've overshot maintenance cals. It would be a pretty slow increase though, unless you'd miscalculated considerably. If you're more comfortable not weighing, I think that's fine. It should only take a few days to a week to settle back once you're at a deficit again, but then everybody is different I guess.
I was thinking that, but with adding in a new exercise im not sure. When I started playing tennis every day my weight shot up for about ten days. Maybe ill give it a week and check again then.
I don't know how much you still have to lose and at what rate you are set to lose it
But if it's a pound a week or something, you'll need a few weeks in deficit to really notice a loss anyway
so what point does frequent weighing serve? unless you find it motivational you are only confirming the process is working
I'm planning on dropping 2.5lbs per week and not going to weigh for 3 weeks & then only to log it in here to keep the progress chart going
I have about 20 pounds to be to a normal BMI and I'd like to lose a total of another 46, I've lost 50 so far. Probably a pound a week is going to be as fast as I can go unfortunately
right so if it's more like 0.5 to 1 lb per week, you'll need 3 or 4 weeks AT LEAST to see a difference
even then fluctuations for all the known reasons could mask that loss.
This is why trending apps are recommended.
I do use libra, I just have been avoiding the scale since the day before christmas, I know ill regret not having the data but also thought it might be a mental break, I can always start inputting data again into Libra.
Im going to have to take this into consideration and make a decision either way, it shouldnt be a difficult one but for some reason it is!
You need to do what's best for you wrt the scale. Some people can handle it, and some people find it triggers bad behaviors in certain situations.
I know that for me it does that latter when I'm coming off a bad spell, so I stay away from it for a while. YMMV. You can only find this out for yourself from experience.
I found out for myself that trending apps did my head in in a very bad way and came to prefer tracking an overall downward trend in my lowest recorded weight instead. I'm pretty good about not fooling myself about a gaining pattern, so this works for me. Again, YMMV. Time and experience will show you what's best for you.
This may all change for me once I'm in maintenance, of course!2 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Rickster1967 wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Rickster1967 wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Did anyone stay off the scale for a bit when starting their diet break? Ive been eating at maintenance after the Holiday, and also started strength training about three days ago. I want to make sure im doing the diet break correctly however im not sure Ill stick to it knowing the scale is going up, if so how long did you stay off the scale? A week? Two weeks? more?
I still weighed every day, but then I wanted the data. Really, you should only be seeing an increase on the scale the first few days, if it continues to go up that's possibly a sign you've overshot maintenance cals. It would be a pretty slow increase though, unless you'd miscalculated considerably. If you're more comfortable not weighing, I think that's fine. It should only take a few days to a week to settle back once you're at a deficit again, but then everybody is different I guess.
I was thinking that, but with adding in a new exercise im not sure. When I started playing tennis every day my weight shot up for about ten days. Maybe ill give it a week and check again then.
I don't know how much you still have to lose and at what rate you are set to lose it
But if it's a pound a week or something, you'll need a few weeks in deficit to really notice a loss anyway
so what point does frequent weighing serve? unless you find it motivational you are only confirming the process is working
I'm planning on dropping 2.5lbs per week and not going to weigh for 3 weeks & then only to log it in here to keep the progress chart going
I have about 20 pounds to be to a normal BMI and I'd like to lose a total of another 46, I've lost 50 so far. Probably a pound a week is going to be as fast as I can go unfortunately
right so if it's more like 0.5 to 1 lb per week, you'll need 3 or 4 weeks AT LEAST to see a difference
even then fluctuations for all the known reasons could mask that loss.
This is why trending apps are recommended.
I do use libra, I just have been avoiding the scale since the day before christmas, I know ill regret not having the data but also thought it might be a mental break, I can always start inputting data again into Libra.
Im going to have to take this into consideration and make a decision either way, it shouldnt be a difficult one but for some reason it is!
This may all change for me once I'm in maintenance, of course!
Maintenance is a big ball of wibbly wobbly, timey wimey...stuff*.
*(you can actually apply the full quote perfectly - people assume that weight is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly, timey wimey...stuff)7 -
I *swore* I was going to do maintenance while traveling. But apparently, when it's a combination of travel + no social cues that it's time to eat, I'm horrible at actually remembering to eat. Tomorrow, I'll try to build in some more cues -- and actually pay attention to my phone alerts.
First day was awesome. But oh, my poor ankles. They're not quite at grapefruit size, but they are definitely not their normal selves. Time to start pushing more fluids, and haul out the compression hose.4 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Sorry about the hay fever, Nony. Have you tried different variations of allergy meds? I don't know how many are available on the market over there. I know that certain ones do nothing for mine, but one particular type works wonders.
Anubis, so sorry! Food poisoning is just the worst. Had it twice in my life and honestly, I'd rather give birth than have food poisoning again. I hope you're on the mend.
Thanks! I'm gradually getting better. I haven't reverse digested food since Monday, so that's good. I'm sure it's a combination of the cold weather, slight dehydration, and actual gastric infection, but my skin is itchy and dry. A minor inconvenience that's preferable to the worse alternative of food poisoning lol.
On the bright side, I guess, is that I'm now 1 lb lighter (2 lb net gain) from the xmas excursion. I haven't worked out yet and this is actually the longest stretch of rest/recovery I've had this entire year. All muh gainz are gone! is what's rattling around in my brain but I know better, logically.. I just need to concede to going back in at a less stressful load and being happy with doing the "minimal effective work"
It was my experience that the dehydration lingered, so as soon as you can stomach, hit things like broth HARD to replenish.
Sorry for the itch.
I'm itchy now too, but that's just being old and post menopausal and having dry skin and it being cold AF right now. I have a heavy hitter emollient cream that helps quite a bit. How cold is it? Currently, it's a balmy 17F outside. I don't want to know what the wind chill is. The cold is seeping in the house and my joints are acting up from it.
I'm a spoiled southern Californian so anything below 60F is cold to me
The coldest it gets around here is about 45F in the morning. And thanks for the broth reminder. I've been upping the electrolytes (mixed in plain water) gradually since a bolus shot of sodium had the opposite effect, though it really was too soon to think I could handle a tbsp of salt at once a few days ago.Nony_Mouse wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Sorry about the hay fever, Nony. Have you tried different variations of allergy meds? I don't know how many are available on the market over there. I know that certain ones do nothing for mine, but one particular type works wonders.
Anubis, so sorry! Food poisoning is just the worst. Had it twice in my life and honestly, I'd rather give birth than have food poisoning again. I hope you're on the mend.
Thanks! I'm gradually getting better. I haven't reverse digested food since Monday, so that's good. I'm sure it's a combination of the cold weather, slight dehydration, and actual gastric infection, but my skin is itchy and dry. A minor inconvenience that's preferable to the worse alternative of food poisoning lol.
Something I can offer advice on! Other than the obvious lots of fluids to rehydrate, shower or bath, warm not hot and not too long (don't let your skin start to prune), then pat dry so you skin is still damp and moisturise. Oil of some sort (like coconut or olive) would be good for this. It will lock in the damp from the shower/bath.
Thanks @Nony_Mouse.. I'll incorporate the patting and oiling. I'm sure it will provide relief.laurenebargar wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Rickster1967 wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Rickster1967 wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »Did anyone stay off the scale for a bit when starting their diet break? Ive been eating at maintenance after the Holiday, and also started strength training about three days ago. I want to make sure im doing the diet break correctly however im not sure Ill stick to it knowing the scale is going up, if so how long did you stay off the scale? A week? Two weeks? more?
I still weighed every day, but then I wanted the data. Really, you should only be seeing an increase on the scale the first few days, if it continues to go up that's possibly a sign you've overshot maintenance cals. It would be a pretty slow increase though, unless you'd miscalculated considerably. If you're more comfortable not weighing, I think that's fine. It should only take a few days to a week to settle back once you're at a deficit again, but then everybody is different I guess.
I was thinking that, but with adding in a new exercise im not sure. When I started playing tennis every day my weight shot up for about ten days. Maybe ill give it a week and check again then.
I don't know how much you still have to lose and at what rate you are set to lose it
But if it's a pound a week or something, you'll need a few weeks in deficit to really notice a loss anyway
so what point does frequent weighing serve? unless you find it motivational you are only confirming the process is working
I'm planning on dropping 2.5lbs per week and not going to weigh for 3 weeks & then only to log it in here to keep the progress chart going
I have about 20 pounds to be to a normal BMI and I'd like to lose a total of another 46, I've lost 50 so far. Probably a pound a week is going to be as fast as I can go unfortunately
right so if it's more like 0.5 to 1 lb per week, you'll need 3 or 4 weeks AT LEAST to see a difference
even then fluctuations for all the known reasons could mask that loss.
This is why trending apps are recommended.
I do use libra, I just have been avoiding the scale since the day before christmas, I know ill regret not having the data but also thought it might be a mental break, I can always start inputting data again into Libra.
Im going to have to take this into consideration and make a decision either way, it shouldnt be a difficult one but for some reason it is!
Don't worry, I know all too well how the scale can mess with your head. Do what feels best and easiest to deal with psychologically for you
FWIW, my trend line just flatlined on my first diet break, even though the scale went up, with a small blip up at the end coinciding with ovulation. For me, that was actually comforting that I was indeed maintaining for that 10 days.
I think maybe I will get back on the scale, the data has helped me so far in losing the 50 lbs and even if I did put on a pound or two by over shooting my calories I know how to get the weight off. I know it will be higher from the gym at the very least but I should see that go down in 7-10 days.
Ill keep everyone updated on the diet break, and then im transitioning back into losing Jan 8th!
And just to address diet break weigh-ins, sudden jumps to maintenance calories coming from a deficit are typically going to look like lob that arcs high in the beginning, then gradually bounces around a general range after a few days (using tennis terminology to segue into the inclusion of the new sport.. poignant, I know lol). Tennis in itself is closer to HIIT than steady state in an ideal aggressive match, so sprinting produces muscle fibers to react like it's resistance training than it does to jogging. So, to your initial question of scale spiking, it's going to play a role until your body adapts to the training intensity.
All of this is in context to how you deal with scale spikes in the first place. If you mentally freak out at the sight of fluctuations, it's best to weigh more infrequently just to give it some breathing room for adaptation to kick in. If you are a data freak and understand that fluctuations are part of the long-term game and welcome them [yes, we still secretly hate them], then go ahead and weigh yourself for that data set. In the end, it's all about being able to be comfortable with having a diet break to give your mind and body a break. There's no point to ending a diet break early if visually seeing a spike begs you to stop.
The caveat is if you've completely blown your diet break to hell by undoing all of your hard work via disregard for diet structure, which I would hope 120+ pages of thread + an updated intro page has strongly recommended NOT to do haha.6 -
It's currently 48% humidity here. No wonder my skin is so *kitten* dry. Normally we'd be sitting in the 70s. Of course lower humidity is a good thing for hay fever, and since that's a bigger issue than eczema right now, and I can mitigate the dry skin with absurd amounts of emollient, I guess I should be thankful.0
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Thanks @Nony_Mouse.. I'll incorporate the patting and oiling. I'm sure it will provide relief.
And if your skin is really itchy, pinetarsol in your bath (if you have one).1 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Thanks @Nony_Mouse.. I'll incorporate the patting and oiling. I'm sure it will provide relief.
And if your skin is really itchy, pinetarsol in your bath (if you have one).
I hadn't looked this up until now. Not available directly in the UK, have to buy it from you lot or your neighbours.0 -
VintageFeline wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Thanks @Nony_Mouse.. I'll incorporate the patting and oiling. I'm sure it will provide relief.
And if your skin is really itchy, pinetarsol in your bath (if you have one).
I hadn't looked this up until now. Not available directly in the UK, have to buy it from you lot or your neighbours.
Huh, interesting. Maybe I should start an international black market in pinetarsol!
So, ignore that @anubis609. Colloidal oatmeal (just stick some oats in a blender, add the powder to your bath).1 -
laurenebargar wrote: »I do use libra, I just have been avoiding the scale since the day before christmas, I know ill regret not having the data but also thought it might be a mental break, I can always start inputting data again into Libra.
Im going to have to take this into consideration and make a decision either way, it shouldnt be a difficult one but for some reason it is!
I also use Libra and have been recording weight daily. I want the data to help me understand how this process works for me. But the spike that occurred when I started the diet break has thrown the trend line completely out of whack. Was down a couple of pounds today, so I may be coming back to the equilibrium point.2 -
alteredstates175 wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »I do use libra, I just have been avoiding the scale since the day before christmas, I know ill regret not having the data but also thought it might be a mental break, I can always start inputting data again into Libra.
Im going to have to take this into consideration and make a decision either way, it shouldnt be a difficult one but for some reason it is!
I also use Libra and have been recording weight daily. I want the data to help me understand how this process works for me. But the spike that occurred when I started the diet break has thrown the trend line completely out of whack. Was down a couple of pounds today, so I may be coming back to the equilibrium point.
I think I've finally gotten Trendweight to level off. Six weeks after starting maintenance
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Anyone else thinking that this thread really deserves a Group of it's own?
Of Refeeds & Diet Breaks & Reasonable Diets - oh my!
That way you can have a topic thread for each of the above dealing with just that subject and what it means, several other frequent misc topics (increased TDEE effects, water weight fluctuations, ect), and of course, the needed several chit-chat topics (food on break or refeed, life, ect).
Couple admins is useful (I think we know who that should be!) for moving posts around if desired, or someone feels the need to get nasty - but otherwise not much needed except for above initial topic creation OP's (which are basically done, except what makes a reasonable diet).
Just saying, of the few longer running topics, this has many side topics that could be mighty useful that the main forums just don't seem to be able to support - then people could be directed to the group for more info, find the thread of their interest, learn and ask more specifics.
Just a thought.11 -
I don't know @heybales
On one hand I've thought along the lines you have. This thread has evolved into a mini group.
On the other hand, I joined MFP just over 3 years ago. And during most of the past 3 years (I would say till mid 2017), discussing AT, re-feeds, diet breaks or any option other than eating less in response to any slow down or stall was severely frowned upon. It feels that only relatively recently posters (re)started publicly entertaining the thought that eating (even) less is not ALWAYS the right answer.
The benefit of being in the main forums is that the ideas gain traction towards becoming generally accepted as opposed to being seen as a "niche"/"crackpot" group hiding in the shadows to avoid getting criticized.
The benefit of being a group is that it reflects the reality of the thread's evolution.10 -
Yeah, my thoughts are much the same as Pav's. And it's just more visible in the main forum. Other than a handful of groups, I just don't think they get a lot of traction (though admittedly I never look at groups, unless I can't remember how to fix my Fitbit!).
I guess if there was a way to keep this thread going and visible and have a group it could work.3 -
Diet break started the week before Christmas when my family came to visit. I did okay tracking until I didn't. It's been a few days of hedonistic abandon, but I'm ready to get back to tracking.
Diet break will continue probably for the next year or so, and I expect my weight will trend up a bit (or more than a bit) over the next ~35 weeks, then a big whoosh around September 3, 2018.
((I'm pregnant!! I've known for about 12 hours - well I had a feeling for a little bit but finally a positive test - and I've been bursting to share. I have a surprise planned for Sunday to tell my husband, so sorry, you get my excitement!))22 -
eponine1984 wrote: »Diet break started the week before Christmas when my family came to visit. I did okay tracking until I didn't. It's been a few days of hedonistic abandon, but I'm ready to get back to tracking.
Diet break will continue probably for the next year or so, and I expect my weight will trend up a bit (or more than a bit) over the next ~35 weeks, then a big whoosh around September 3, 2018.
((I'm pregnant!! I've known for about 12 hours - well I had a feeling for a little bit but finally a positive test - and I've been bursting to share. I have a surprise planned for Sunday to tell my husband, so sorry, you get my excitement!))
Congratulations!!! what a great Christmas/new year surprise 3 -
Congratulations! What a wonderful reason for a diet break!1
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eponine1984 wrote: »Diet break started the week before Christmas when my family came to visit. I did okay tracking until I didn't. It's been a few days of hedonistic abandon, but I'm ready to get back to tracking.
Diet break will continue probably for the next year or so, and I expect my weight will trend up a bit (or more than a bit) over the next ~35 weeks, then a big whoosh around September 3, 2018.
((I'm pregnant!! I've known for about 12 hours - well I had a feeling for a little bit but finally a positive test - and I've been bursting to share. I have a surprise planned for Sunday to tell my husband, so sorry, you get my excitement!))
Congratulations! I love that you're calling pregnancy "diet break". Excuse me whilst I take a break to grow a tiny human.9 -
eponine1984 wrote: »Diet break started the week before Christmas when my family came to visit. I did okay tracking until I didn't. It's been a few days of hedonistic abandon, but I'm ready to get back to tracking.
Diet break will continue probably for the next year or so, and I expect my weight will trend up a bit (or more than a bit) over the next ~35 weeks, then a big whoosh around September 3, 2018.
((I'm pregnant!! I've known for about 12 hours - well I had a feeling for a little bit but finally a positive test - and I've been bursting to share. I have a surprise planned for Sunday to tell my husband, so sorry, you get my excitement!))
Oh, that's fabulous! Congratulations!3 -
Congratulations, eponine384! Hedonistic abandon, indeed!2
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eponine1984 wrote: »Diet break started the week before Christmas when my family came to visit. I did okay tracking until I didn't. It's been a few days of hedonistic abandon, but I'm ready to get back to tracking.
Diet break will continue probably for the next year or so, and I expect my weight will trend up a bit (or more than a bit) over the next ~35 weeks, then a big whoosh around September 3, 2018.
((I'm pregnant!! I've known for about 12 hours - well I had a feeling for a little bit but finally a positive test - and I've been bursting to share. I have a surprise planned for Sunday to tell my husband, so sorry, you get my excitement!))
Eek!!!!!! Congratulations!!
I was thinking 'that's a bit excessive for a diet break'. Can you tell I'm just up and sipping my first coffee?5 -
eponine1984 wrote: »Diet break started the week before Christmas when my family came to visit. I did okay tracking until I didn't. It's been a few days of hedonistic abandon, but I'm ready to get back to tracking.
Diet break will continue probably for the next year or so, and I expect my weight will trend up a bit (or more than a bit) over the next ~35 weeks, then a big whoosh around September 3, 2018.
((I'm pregnant!! I've known for about 12 hours - well I had a feeling for a little bit but finally a positive test - and I've been bursting to share. I have a surprise planned for Sunday to tell my husband, so sorry, you get my excitement!))
Congratulations! That's quite a diet break you'll be partaking in!4 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »eponine1984 wrote: »Diet break started the week before Christmas when my family came to visit. I did okay tracking until I didn't. It's been a few days of hedonistic abandon, but I'm ready to get back to tracking.
Diet break will continue probably for the next year or so, and I expect my weight will trend up a bit (or more than a bit) over the next ~35 weeks, then a big whoosh around September 3, 2018.
((I'm pregnant!! I've known for about 12 hours - well I had a feeling for a little bit but finally a positive test - and I've been bursting to share. I have a surprise planned for Sunday to tell my husband, so sorry, you get my excitement!))
Congratulations! That's quite a diet break you'll be partaking in!
And one hell of a scale spike! Um, you will definitely exceed my 'don't worry, you're not gonna gain 10 lbs' 5 -
Time for cat pics. My kids enjoying the morning sun:
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »Time for cat pics. My kids enjoying the morning sun:
That looks blissful.4
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