Of refeeds and diet breaks
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collectingblues wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »
Oh and my friend who is here kindly doing some weed whacking for me confirmed that he too thinks the mystery bush in my back garden may be a blueberry!! No signs of fruit on it atm though
I've put in a few fruit trees and bushes in my yard. Some need to have a second plant to act as a pollinator - your blueberry bush might be one of those, if its the only one in the area. Without the ability to pollinate themselves or without another of the same kind in the area, they won't bloom or bear fruit. Of course, some years just aren't good for trees, either, so it may just be an off year. But if it goes a couple of years and never bears, that might be the problem!
I just transplanted 2 apples, a cherry bush, and a peach tree. I only bought the red apple to act as a pollinator for my yellow transparent. Thankfully, the peach tree can pollinate itself. I need to get a second cherry, though - I had one, but the deer did a number on it. Of course, since I had to dig them all up and move them this week, we'll see in the spring if they survived. If not, I'll be starting over come spring!
Yeah, pretty sure that's the problem. I think there's only one. Same with the olive, though that is showing signs it may fruit. I'm guessing it's too late to get the blueberry a friend for fruiting this season (not my house, but I could put it in a big tub).
Blueberry plants are actually self-pollinating -- so it should be OK on its own. They make bigger fruit when they have a buddy (and, I like getting multiple shrubs' worth of fruit), but they do manage on their own.
Blueberry can be later in the season. I usually don't get anything with mine until close to August, so late summer.
Oooh, so it may just not have started forming fruit yet? That would be exciting!!
I am going to be swimming in fruit late Summer/early Autumn - grapes, feijoas (meh, unless flavouring vodka), figs (omg!), apples, the paltry plum crop...plus the watermelons I'm going to plant. And strawberries. Oh and blackberries.3 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »I feel like there are tiny bitey critters crawling all over my skin
Well that sounds awful. Sending get well thoughts over the sea to you.
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I guess it's kind of impressive that my body is still trying to generate a rash (is generating one?) and itch through pred, topical steroids, barrier cream, aloe vera gel, pinetarsol, oatmeal...stubborn little thing!
Listening to Rage Against the Machine, b/c angry.3 -
dancefit2015 wrote: »Thanks so much for all of the vegetarian protein suggestions! This will be much easier if I start having regular dairy and maybe some hard boiled eggs (only way I can stand them) Also planning to make a big batch of my 4 bean vegan chili soon
so good!
Combining whole grains and legumes makes for more appealing dishes that are still relatively okay on protein. I like beans, but they get old if I have nothing but beans for several days. Yesterday we had a local vegetarian dish that is one of my favorite things on the planet, and just so happens to be good on protein. It's basically roughly equal parts bulgur and lentils with caramelized onions. Lots and lots of caramelized onions mixed in giving the dish a deeper color and rich sweet and umami flavor. I may post a picture later, it's too early now, but it ended up at 23 grams of protein for just under 500 calories (which is the best I can currently do without losing my mind since I can't eat animal protein till Christmas).
I currently end up at about 50-60 grams of protein per day, which is good enough as a minimum requirement since this isn't a long term thing. When I go back to eating as usual I get 80-100 grams of protein mostly from plants and dairy with only a little bit of meat and fish thrown in here and there, so it's possible to get enough protein as a vegetarian even if you don't get out of your way to buy specialty protein stuff.2 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »I guess it's kind of impressive that my body is still trying to generate a rash (is generating one?) and itch through pred, topical steroids, barrier cream, aloe vera gel, pinetarsol, oatmeal...stubborn little thing!
Listening to Rage Against the Machine, b/c angry.
I'm sorry to hear that... I hope it resolves soon 1 -
I think I might be the only one who hasn't bought protein powder in at least a year. When I did I tried putting it in my porridge a couple of times. It went in the bin. I just don't get on with any artificial sweeteners if I can actually taste them. But I am a meat eater so it is relatively easier for me.
What I have been having recently are protein bars but not because they aren't 200+ calorie bombs. More like chocolate or snack bars that happen to be high protein. Also, there's now Yorkie, Bounty, Snickers and Mars bars with added protein. One time I am pretty darn happy about the all da proteinz marketing hype.
Oh and I also currently have some protein bread. Fills me up so much and gets me a good way to my protein intake. I have recently bought a protein added peanut butter, which I'm not crazy about the texture of but put a bit of jam on it? Delicious!
So look out for protein added products, I can get all my protein in under 1000 calories leaving the rest for whatever deliciousness and veg I fancy.3 -
stanmann571 wrote: »
7.5 kilosNony_Mouse wrote: »Okay, let's make this fun, bets on how much water weight Nony can gain on pred. I'm on day 3 of 5 at twice a day (though I can scale down as soon as the rash has cleared, so may get away with four days), and 5 days at once a day (though if I only do four at twice a day I may be able to do fewer at one as well, need to check with doctor on that. Ovulation around mid next week should also be taken into account. Could be Wednesday, could be Saturday, or anywhere in between.
8.8 to 9.9 lbs. Gone within 22 days (21+1)
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Question on the 'plain' flavour of protein powders: do they sincerely taste of nothing/are they really unnoticeable? Just because I happen not to have much of a sweet tooth so I'd probably be trying to sneak it into savoury recipes. And that being the case, should it affect the choice of pea, whey, etc.?0
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Question on the 'plain' flavour of protein powders: do they sincerely taste of nothing/are they really unnoticeable? Just because I happen not to have much of a sweet tooth so I'd probably be trying to sneak it into savoury recipes. And that being the case, should it affect the choice of pea, whey, etc.?
I've made protein "bread" and savoury pancakes (which can be used as wraps or pizza bases) with unflavoured WPI. I added herbs and spices, and there was no discernible taste from the powder.
You'd have to be careful about what you were putting it in - you wouldnt just want to stir WPI in to a hot soup for example, it would clump due to the heat and be gross!2 -
Three days into 2740 cals and I am feeling quite nauseous. Not sure if changing macros slightly or what I am eating will make a difference. Breakfast has been overwhelming today and yesterday. Had to take brekkie to work yesterday as could not face it first thing. Hopefully it is just temporary (domestic stress and I get nausea and diarrhoea)...stomach still feels tetchy...the smell of food is setting me off too...no I am not pregnant, that is impossible (tubal ligation and menopause) Grrrrr...aches and pains in joints and muscles gone though!0
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Some may already have recipe books in this manner, but I have used the Protein Powder Cookbook by Anna Award and have had good results baking with protein powders. Most all the recipes came out great.3
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Question on the 'plain' flavour of protein powders: do they sincerely taste of nothing/are they really unnoticeable? Just because I happen not to have much of a sweet tooth so I'd probably be trying to sneak it into savoury recipes. And that being the case, should it affect the choice of pea, whey, etc.?
The 2 I've used are. Teresa's Whey and Opportuneas Grass Fed. Whey.
Good advice by above by livingleanlivingclean.2 -
Familial hypercholesterolemia aside, naturally occurring sources of cholesterol; i.e. eggs, beef, chicken, etc., generally don't contribute to increased levels of serum cholesterol. It all stems from the liver and basically the way it works is that depending on the substrate composition, the liver will produce its own cholesterol to compensate.
We already know that HDL is considered the "good" lipoprotein and that LDL is interpreted as the "bad" one, however triglycerides are generally overlooked in the modern health world and I don't know why, but having a high saturation of them isn't good either considering that's exactly what gets shoved into adipose tissue and in a metabolic emergency, will collect around the organs as ectopic fat. It's literally a fatty sugar.
Anyway, it delves into lipidology and a lot of terminology that I can only convey well via metaphors and analogies, but the ultra rough cheat sheet is that nutrient dense foods with their own naturally occurring macros and fatty acids will actually normalize most people's lipid panels. The more processed the food, the more deleterious the lipid panel; i.e. if a vegetarian grazes on cake, cookies, vegan ice cream, snack back, etc., triglycerides shoot up, HDL goes down, LDL might go down; on the other hand, if a low carber eats fatty dairy and nuts along with protein, HDL goes up, trigs go down, and LDL shoots up; anyone following a low fat diet will usually have reduced LDL but HDL and trigs may stay the same.
The best of all worlds would be to follow a natural occurring nutrient dense food diet without restricting any macro, and HDL tends to be a little higher, trigs tend to be around the same as HDL, and LDL tends to be reduced to the upper end of normal.
I've participated in contributing to the data in Dave Feldman's breakdown for his site cholesterolcode.com. Yes, he has a keto/low carb slant, but that doesn't bar him from at least trying to be objective in his data collection. Also, he's an engineer for a living, not a lipidologist, but like a lot of us, he got sucked into a specific realm of dietary nutrition and has gone balls deep into it. I've gotten more needle sticks in 2 weeks than I've wanted in over a typical year, ranging from eating super high fat/high calorie intakes, all the way down to super low calorie low fat 700-900kcal/day intakes. Both periods of experimentation weren't very fun
This has nothing really to do with @GottaBurnEmAll's personal preference at all, but just reading it kind of just allowed me to go on this unnecessary tangent lol.
And @Nony_Mouse, I look forward to your bush berries >_<
What you talk about here is so true yet counter intuitive. I am living proof of it. Over the last 2 years I have done 2 things, eaten a balanced, unrestricted diet with a good dose of fats, including omega 3 and saturated fat. Lost about 10lbs of body fat.
In my annual physical a year ago with my Dr., an osteopath who is very well versed is naturopathic and nutritional solutions, he looked at my triglycerides and asked me if I was doing keto or low carb. I said no, why? He said for a man of 65 (at the time) you have the triglycerides of a 30 year old athlete! And my Total Chol/ HDL ratio was well below the average risk of 4.5 at 3.9.
A year later, at age 66, the number were even better! Triglycerides were improved and Tot Chol/ HDL was 3.4. His take: you eat a healthy balanced diet with adequate omega 3's and sat. fat, you lost body fat and brought your weight into a healthy range and you do vigorous exercise. That is the trifecta.
The lipid hypothesis is dead (for those that don't have hypercholesteremia). Fats are not the problem. Even saturated fats. As you say, if we don't get enough through a balanced, without restricting fats unnecessarily , our livers will make it!
My apologies for going off on a tangent but this is an area of passionate interest for me!
ETA: I blame anubis.
Unfortunately, as you stated, for those of us with familial hypercholesterolemia, sat fat and dietary cholesterol are still bad actors. I have to watch those.
Luckily, I'm not one of those people who isn't satiated by dietary fat. Anywhere from 50-60 g a day is my norm and my usual sources are nuts, avocado and olive oil. I keep my dairy low fat to limit sat fat intake. I could, for satiation's sake, go lower than this, but that starts to impact my skin (I get this rashy thing at the corner of my mouth) and nails.1 -
Diet break completed, so many calories consumed. Weight is 188.6 lbs this morning. Two weeks ago was 186.2 lbs. My measurements are down a smidge, but I only measure once a month.
When can I expect a whoosh? Like, an hour or two?5 -
eponine1984 wrote: »Diet break completed, so many calories consumed. Weight is 188.6 lbs this morning. Two weeks ago was 186.2 lbs. My measurements are down a smidge, but I only measure once a month.
When can I expect a whoosh? Like, an hour or two?
Lol! Soon, but not that soon.5 -
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JerSchmare wrote: »I will NEVER watch this. Can someone summarize?
I'm pretty sure theres a summary somewhere on the first few pages? (6,perhaps?)2 -
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JerSchmare wrote: »^^^ Thanks. After I posted, I realized that there are a lot of pages. Funny thing is, I’d rather read through all of it than watch the video. I just hate watching videos. Not sure why.
I played it in the car - obviously not watching! It was easy to listen to and understand if listening is ok for you
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JerSchmare wrote: »^^^ Thanks. After I posted, I realized that there are a lot of pages. Funny thing is, I’d rather read through all of it than watch the video. I just hate watching videos. Not sure why.
The video is pretty much Lyle McDonald being twitchy at his desk. The conversation is the important stuff, so you can just treat it as a podcast.2 -
JerSchmare wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »^^^ Thanks. After I posted, I realized that there are a lot of pages. Funny thing is, I’d rather read through all of it than watch the video. I just hate watching videos. Not sure why.
I played it in the car - obviously not watching! It was easy to listen to and understand if listening is ok for you
I am reminded by my coach (not fitness related) that I have 2 ears and one mouth. I’m supposed to listen more than I talk. Haha.
I like to read stuff like this more than watch but if I can have follow up notes then I can do the listening. For practical teaching I prefer to watch/do. I'm a visual/practical learner.0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »
7.5 kilosNony_Mouse wrote: »Okay, let's make this fun, bets on how much water weight Nony can gain on pred. I'm on day 3 of 5 at twice a day (though I can scale down as soon as the rash has cleared, so may get away with four days), and 5 days at once a day (though if I only do four at twice a day I may be able to do fewer at one as well, need to check with doctor on that. Ovulation around mid next week should also be taken into account. Could be Wednesday, could be Saturday, or anywhere in between.
8.8 to 9.9 lbs. Gone within 22 days (21+1)
God, that long?? I actually realised that if I do gain in the realm of 4.5 kg, that almost puts me back to mid-August. I know it's water, but...can't it just drop off in like, a day?? Two?? If I low carb and eat loads of potassium?3 -
eponine1984 wrote: »Diet break completed, so many calories consumed. Weight is 188.6 lbs this morning. Two weeks ago was 186.2 lbs. My measurements are down a smidge, but I only measure once a month.
When can I expect a whoosh? Like, an hour or two?
Give it a few days (says itchy squirrel who expects her much greater amount to come off instantly ) 6 -
JerSchmare wrote: »^^^ Thanks. After I posted, I realized that there are a lot of pages. Funny thing is, I’d rather read through all of it than watch the video. I just hate watching videos. Not sure why.
I'm actually about to (not right now, it's 4.30 in the fricking morning, I'm just icing my eczema so I can sleep more without ripping my skin off) start work on a TL;DR with Anubis's help that we can post ever 5 or so pages, so new to the thread people can get caught up without reading ~1.7k posts. Will hopefully have it done in a couple of days.4 -
Takes me an absolute age to get rid of water weight, nothing I have tried has any significant impact. Sigh.0
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VintageFeline wrote: »Takes me an absolute age to get rid of water weight, nothing I have tried has any significant impact. Sigh.
Yeah, I was actually thinking of you when that realisation hit. I was all, 'I know it's water, but what if it doesn't come off and I stay a blimp' ('cept with water instead of helium or whatever, no floating skywards for me!) 2 -
JerSchmare wrote: »^^^ Thanks. After I posted, I realized that there are a lot of pages. Funny thing is, I’d rather read through all of it than watch the video. I just hate watching videos. Not sure why.
There are podcasts. I hate videos too, but podcasts are something I can listen to while working out.
I see livingleanlivingclean beat me to it!
Yeah, I totally listened to all of this during work out sessions.0 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Takes me an absolute age to get rid of water weight, nothing I have tried has any significant impact. Sigh.
Yeah, I was actually thinking of you when that realisation hit. I was all, 'I know it's water, but what if it doesn't come off and I stay a blimp' ('cept with water instead of helium or whatever, no floating skywards for me!)
My bump from Monday is now off but technically should be lower still. So yeah. Patience of a saint over here. Because I am not about to attempt some stupid like eating 900 calories.5 -
VintageFeline wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Takes me an absolute age to get rid of water weight, nothing I have tried has any significant impact. Sigh.
Yeah, I was actually thinking of you when that realisation hit. I was all, 'I know it's water, but what if it doesn't come off and I stay a blimp' ('cept with water instead of helium or whatever, no floating skywards for me!)
My bump from Monday is now off but technically should be lower still. So yeah. Patience of a saint over here. Because I am not about to attempt some stupid like eating 900 calories.
Well, I'm not gonna do that either, b/c that won't help water weight, and will just jack up my cortisol even more!! Which is probably what stressing myself about it is doing anyway, but then I want jacked cortisol right now. Though I think my own production has a nap while the pred does its thing. Hence tapering off, it's so your own can wake up and come back on board.3
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