Of refeeds and diet breaks
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So, Diet Break Take 2 officially over
Epic failure, obviously. I intend to continue at TDEE for now, not least because I have not a clue what's actually going on under the mountain of water. Waist is up a mighty 3cm, ankle I think is the same, as are thighs, but it's tricky b/c the tape measure literally sinks into the sludge. Anyhoo...weight also holding steady at 1kg up, so either I've gained as much fluid as I'm going to, or I've lost fat and it's balancing out. Ovulation still to come anywhere between Wednesday and Caturday. Tapering starts today, so fingers crossed on that, both that my rash doesn't go 'aha! Here's my chance!!', and that my own adrenal system comes back on line as it should (this is why pred needs to be tapered, it effectively shuts down my own adrenal system, if you stop cold you run the risk of your own system not kicking back in, and that's a whole new boatload of trouble).
Today's plan: go to the hardware shop and get a hazmat suit (one of those disposable papery ones) and dust mask so I can deal to the fricking grass. Half the lawn is dead, the other half has overgrown grass that is now seeding and pollening and trying to kill me. Also get strawberry plants. Lawn will probably be left until this evening, because it's already two thousand degrees out (oh, also buying an outdoor thermometer), but I will weed the little area where I want to plant strawbs.
Did wake in the middle of the night again, but because I needed to pee, not because I was trying to tear my skin off - huzzah!! So, pee'd, slapped on some emollient, straight back to bed.
Need to make a list of things I need to get while I'm out, cos god knows I won't remember. What's my name again?
Oh, I also bought myself this pretty (and then the pretties to go in it the next day) at market on Saturday. Total steal, only $20, perfect condition. Ah, retail therapy
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I haven’t had flowers since the ginger asscat arrived. I daren't. But I miss them. Your pretty and the pretties in it are pretty.
In other news. Currently dealing with a permanent wedgie so despite what the scale is doing I am shrinking a bit. Now could someone send me some dollah so I can buy new undies? Kthnxbye6 -
Luckily Tobias is too well behaved still to get up on benches and tables (he's done it twice, once when I was trying to herd him to take him to the vet, and one other time when he got told off, and hasn't done it since). The other two can't jump that high anymore. Toby really is the best child, he doesn't even try to eat the other cats' raw food anymore, he looks at me, and I say 'I'm so sorry baby, but it makes you sick', and he leaves it alone
I'm gonna need to go back to old underwear at this rate!! Wearing one of my new long line bras and thinking it may not have been the best choice, but I need to feel pretty, dammit!2 -
Nony? I hear you mention grass.
Without going into too many details about black and white dogs and their black and white striped friends, let's just say that I have good reason to believe that some powdered Arm+Hammer baking soda spread over an area of "grass" definitely guarantees the lack of future grass problems in that area!
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Nony? I hear you mention grass.
Without going into too many details about black and white dogs and their black and white striped friends, let's just say that I have good reason to believe that some powdered Arm+Hammer baking soda spread over an area of "grass" definitely guarantees the lack of future grass problems in that area!
I suspect my landlord wouldn't be too thrilled if I killed the entire lawn I am going to ask about paving the side of the house where the washing line is though. It's a pain in the butt to get the lawnmower in there, and isn't used for anything else, so...but the sun is nicely dealing to the rest of the lawns. Once I've mown those seedy bits, it should die quite successfully
Hardware shop of course didn't have protective suits in my size (reasonable sure a large would be absurd), but of course the local safety shop did, which also alerted me to the fact I can write that off as a business expense!
I also managed to hunt down the last strawberry plants in the region. Yay!! And mint is finally repotted into a bigger pot, though probably needed bigger still.
Currently hiding inside for a bit b/c it's 28 C in the shade. Luckily the area where I want to work to put in the strabs is shaded at the moment, but I need to put on some long sleeves and legs. Or the hazmat suit.1 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »It's not so much upsetting the mental hamsters (over it), as it is useless data that doesn't mean anything. I like having the hormonal swings recorded because that's actually useful for predicting when things are happening.
In other news, a baked potato with chilli beans for lunch in heat, ugh, what was I thinking??? Oh, that's right, potassium.
It's meant to rain Monday week. Like proper, torrential initially (yeah, that's just gonna run off), followed by the rest of the day of moderate to heavy. I will believe it when I see it. River might flood though, which is always cool to go look at.
Ditto, I don't like meaningless data either.
It would be like visiting your parents for a week, and being told the scale is flaky and you test and confirm yep, it moves 2-3 lbs just getting off and back on.
Why even bother with useless data - unless you are testing and logging variances of potential scale weight differences.
So too known expected reasons for water weight changes. Now, if known and they come up all the time (monthly say, or after workouts) - then indeed useful info.
But I'm not about log an 8 lb weight drop after a 3 hr summer bike ride, while I drank 3 lbs of water on the bike.
Why?
But obviously I did weigh and I know that happens. But logging isn't useful for weight loss.
Just as logging several times through the day sometimes might be interesting to see the variances - it's meaningless for tracking weight loss.2 -
skinnyjingbb wrote: »Yes, I think I'll keep to about 1400 a day and eat back half of exercise calorie for a while and adjust if needed. I'll probably be back of I can manage to reach 160 at the end of the next year. Cause that's the point where I used to struggle to maintain and weight just bounced back.
MFP is trying to teach a weight life lesson.
When you do more, you eat more.
When you do less, you eat less. (that's the kicker for most)
In a diet a little less in either case.
So it's good you recognize now that when you do more than MFP expected (which is any exercise since it expects none) - then you should eat more.
Creating a bigger deficit than reasonable, is just creating a fight for the body, and stress for you.
If you review the first 2-3 pages of this topic - you'll come to appreciate the idea of diet breaks means having a good idea of what maintenance is - which means things like changing exercise or life play a part - and need to be accounted for.
Also, because I commonly see people take big deficits and ignore exercise calories, also pick the wrong Activity Level - what do you do daily outside of exercise, and what level did you select?4 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »It's not so much upsetting the mental hamsters (over it), as it is useless data that doesn't mean anything. I like having the hormonal swings recorded because that's actually useful for predicting when things are happening.
In other news, a baked potato with chilli beans for lunch in heat, ugh, what was I thinking??? Oh, that's right, potassium.
It's meant to rain Monday week. Like proper, torrential initially (yeah, that's just gonna run off), followed by the rest of the day of moderate to heavy. I will believe it when I see it. River might flood though, which is always cool to go look at.
Ditto, I don't like meaningless data either.
It would be like visiting your parents for a week, and being told the scale is flaky and you test and confirm yep, it moves 2-3 lbs just getting off and back on.
Why even bother with useless data - unless you are testing and logging variances of potential scale weight differences.
So too known expected reasons for water weight changes. Now, if known and they come up all the time (monthly say, or after workouts) - then indeed useful info.
But I'm not about log an 8 lb weight drop after a 3 hr summer bike ride, while I drank 3 lbs of water on the bike.
Why?
But obviously I did weigh and I know that happens. But logging isn't useful for weight loss.
Just as logging several times through the day sometimes might be interesting to see the variances - it's meaningless for tracking weight loss.
Exactly. And even from a 'how much water gain does it cause perspective, I have no idea if my TDEE is running high from repair, or what impact Saturday's flare had.
I'm currently trying to steel myself to do these damn lawns. It's still 21 C, it's probably not going to get any cooler. So don't wanna, kinda have to.2 -
I've mowed in the dark. But then again, that was at night, so not exactly cooler yet if it had been summer. And early morning has some codes about start time. Besides the more obvious fact I ain't getting up.2
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Everyone does their lawns like this, right??
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »Everyone does their lawns like this, right??
Sorry but LOL.4 -
I LOL'ed too. Sorry not sorry.4
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »Everyone does their lawns like this, right??
Yes...if their lawn is also a crime scene on Midsomer Murders.
(Sorry Nony
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »
7.5 kilosNony_Mouse wrote: »Okay, let's make this fun, bets on how much water weight Nony can gain on pred. I'm on day 3 of 5 at twice a day (though I can scale down as soon as the rash has cleared, so may get away with four days), and 5 days at once a day (though if I only do four at twice a day I may be able to do fewer at one as well, need to check with doctor on that. Ovulation around mid next week should also be taken into account. Could be Wednesday, could be Saturday, or anywhere in between.
8.8 to 9.9 lbs. Gone within 22 days (21+1)
God, that long?? I actually realised that if I do gain in the realm of 4.5 kg, that almost puts me back to mid-August. I know it's water, but...can't it just drop off in like, a day?? Two?? If I low carb and eat loads of potassium?
I'd say 10-12 at most, probably closer to 7. Pred "water weight" is a bit stickier than dietary(because as with all meds it does have a half life). but 3 weeks is a bit long for 15 doses 5x2 +5x13 -
I've been incorporating refeeds every Wednesday and Saturday and it's been working TREMENDOUSLY, I had a 2.5 lbs loss this week alone.!8
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DISCIPLINEEQUALSFREEDOM wrote: »I've been incorporating refeeds every Wednesday and Saturday and it's been working TREMENDOUSLY, I had a 2.5 lbs loss this week alone.!
For refeeds to be optimal, they are best done 2 days in a row. I highly recommend you listen to the podcast back on page 1 that was the start of this discussion.6 -
I'm up an unholy 4 pounds this morning, and of course I had a doctor's appointment today
I always have delayed reactions to refeeds, it's weird. Anyway, I went back to deficit eating yesterday, and had quite a healthy one because I wasn't really all that hungry.
Anyway, years ago, my psoriatic arthritis was diagnosed as fibromyalgia when fibro was a nascent diagnosis that they sort of threw things at when they didn't really know what was wrong with you. This is because the only place I have psoriasis on my body is my fingernails, and it took a while for it to become bad enough for me to point it out to my doctor (well, it actually took me becoming vain about my nails and knowing something was up to point it out).
Anyway, the doctor I saw today was my rheumatologist. I told her what's been going on with me, and she diagnosed me with fibromyalgia having devloped secondarily to my psoriatic arthritis. Ironic diagnosis is ironic, and apparently this is commonly found in patients with autoimmune arthritis. A lot more is known about fibro now than was known back when the diagnosis was thrown at me in error.
Apparently my long flares are more symptomatic of fibro the PsA flares.
There's nothing to be done for it. I'm already on meds that would be thrown at fibro. I'm just to keep on keeping on with exercising to manage the fatigue, eating well, and maintaining good sleep hygiene.6 -
Owning my awesome click, because there's no "empathy" or "yup, it sucks" click here.3
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Week following my situational refeed, I lost 2#!7
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I'm up an unholy 4 pounds this morning, and of course I had a doctor's appointment today
I always have delayed reactions to refeeds, it's weird. Anyway, I went back to deficit eating yesterday, and had quite a healthy one because I wasn't really all that hungry.
Anyway, years ago, my psoriatic arthritis was diagnosed as fibromyalgia when fibro was a nascent diagnosis that they sort of threw things at when they didn't really know what was wrong with you. This is because the only place I have psoriasis on my body is my fingernails, and it took a while for it to become bad enough for me to point it out to my doctor (well, it actually took me becoming vain about my nails and knowing something was up to point it out).
Anyway, the doctor I saw today was my rheumatologist. I told her what's been going on with me, and she diagnosed me with fibromyalgia having devloped secondarily to my psoriatic arthritis. Ironic diagnosis is ironic, and apparently this is commonly found in patients with autoimmune arthritis. A lot more is known about fibro now than was known back when the diagnosis was thrown at me in error.
Apparently my long flares are more symptomatic of fibro the PsA flares.
There's nothing to be done for it. I'm already on meds that would be thrown at fibro. I'm just to keep on keeping on with exercising to manage the fatigue, eating well, and maintaining good sleep hygiene.
Man that sucks. I know at least a couple of people with fibro. One can manage it really well when she keep sup her exercise (and is doing "well" with her weight) and the other just about manages to get through the day as best she can. It's sucky.1 -
According to Happyscale my weight is trending down, now if the scale could just get the memo again that'd be nice.
Did some sitting on the spiky ball today because I nearly collapsed on my leg with the hip dysplasia last night. Oops. Note to self, don't let that glute get so tight it seizes up entirely when you sit around for a bit. Also, ouchy ball is ouchy. I can always tell how bad the tightness is by how bruised my butt gets when I do some proper release work.3 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I'm up an unholy 4 pounds this morning, and of course I had a doctor's appointment today
I always have delayed reactions to refeeds, it's weird. Anyway, I went back to deficit eating yesterday, and had quite a healthy one because I wasn't really all that hungry.
Anyway, years ago, my psoriatic arthritis was diagnosed as fibromyalgia when fibro was a nascent diagnosis that they sort of threw things at when they didn't really know what was wrong with you. This is because the only place I have psoriasis on my body is my fingernails, and it took a while for it to become bad enough for me to point it out to my doctor (well, it actually took me becoming vain about my nails and knowing something was up to point it out).
Anyway, the doctor I saw today was my rheumatologist. I told her what's been going on with me, and she diagnosed me with fibromyalgia having devloped secondarily to my psoriatic arthritis. Ironic diagnosis is ironic, and apparently this is commonly found in patients with autoimmune arthritis. A lot more is known about fibro now than was known back when the diagnosis was thrown at me in error.
Apparently my long flares are more symptomatic of fibro the PsA flares.
There's nothing to be done for it. I'm already on meds that would be thrown at fibro. I'm just to keep on keeping on with exercising to manage the fatigue, eating well, and maintaining good sleep hygiene.
What I find extremely frustrating is how many doctors I run into who still say fibromyalgia doesn't exist! Especially in the area where I live, which is rural Appalachia - the doctors that are here are the old-timers, and many just don't keep up all that much with the latest research.
My dad has been getting these horrendous headaches for the last 2 1/2 years - except they don't have the typical signs of a migraine - he isn't nauseous, he isn't sensitive to sound or light, and they don't seem to be triggered by foods. They sometimes get bad enough he has to go to the emergency room to find relief. There, they gave him some migraine meds until his heart doctor took him off of them.
His PCP tried a few things, but didn't really find much of anything and finally just basically told Dad to live with it. It took me a lot of hard talking for a couple of months to my mother, but she finally agreed to schedule an appointment with a doctor at WVU. I'm hoping that a research doctor might be able to figure it out.
He broke his back about 7 years ago, and has had to have a couple of back surgeries since to fuse some vertebra. He's also had both hips replaced (and he's only 65). Then about 2 years ago, he caught me and mom gone and crawled into one of my kitchen cabinets to move an outlet. When he came out, he felt something in his back pop - and the headaches started that night. Mom wonders if perhaps he's got something pressing against his spine, but can't get a doctor to listen to her - the ones around here seem to think head pain must be caused by head problems, back pain by back problems......*sigh*0 -
Oh man, that truly sucks @GottaBurnEmAll
And don't worry, you were all meant to get a laugh from my lawn mowing outfit. Evil long bits of grass and its seeds have been dealt to, now die, you *kitten*!!!!
Ovulation weight is in play. And this would be a month where my left ovary tries to kill me, wouldn't it (cyst)??? Can't take ibuprofen, can't have a hot bath. Have taken paracetamol and have a hot water bottle on it. Will pop some codeine if it gets to that point. So, now up 1.7 kg total.2 -
DISCIPLINEEQUALSFREEDOM wrote: »I've been incorporating refeeds every Wednesday and Saturday and it's been working TREMENDOUSLY, I had a 2.5 lbs loss this week alone.!
For refeeds to be optimal, they are best done 2 days in a row. I highly recommend you listen to the podcast back on page 1 that was the start of this discussion.
I really need to get on with writing that tl;dr synopsis...4 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I'm up an unholy 4 pounds this morning, and of course I had a doctor's appointment today
I always have delayed reactions to refeeds, it's weird. Anyway, I went back to deficit eating yesterday, and had quite a healthy one because I wasn't really all that hungry.
Anyway, years ago, my psoriatic arthritis was diagnosed as fibromyalgia when fibro was a nascent diagnosis that they sort of threw things at when they didn't really know what was wrong with you. This is because the only place I have psoriasis on my body is my fingernails, and it took a while for it to become bad enough for me to point it out to my doctor (well, it actually took me becoming vain about my nails and knowing something was up to point it out).
Anyway, the doctor I saw today was my rheumatologist. I told her what's been going on with me, and she diagnosed me with fibromyalgia having devloped secondarily to my psoriatic arthritis. Ironic diagnosis is ironic, and apparently this is commonly found in patients with autoimmune arthritis. A lot more is known about fibro now than was known back when the diagnosis was thrown at me in error.
Apparently my long flares are more symptomatic of fibro the PsA flares.
There's nothing to be done for it. I'm already on meds that would be thrown at fibro. I'm just to keep on keeping on with exercising to manage the fatigue, eating well, and maintaining good sleep hygiene.
What I find extremely frustrating is how many doctors I run into who still say fibromyalgia doesn't exist! Especially in the area where I live, which is rural Appalachia - the doctors that are here are the old-timers, and many just don't keep up all that much with the latest research.
My dad has been getting these horrendous headaches for the last 2 1/2 years - except they don't have the typical signs of a migraine - he isn't nauseous, he isn't sensitive to sound or light, and they don't seem to be triggered by foods. They sometimes get bad enough he has to go to the emergency room to find relief. There, they gave him some migraine meds until his heart doctor took him off of them.
His PCP tried a few things, but didn't really find much of anything and finally just basically told Dad to live with it. It took me a lot of hard talking for a couple of months to my mother, but she finally agreed to schedule an appointment with a doctor at WVU. I'm hoping that a research doctor might be able to figure it out.
He broke his back about 7 years ago, and has had to have a couple of back surgeries since to fuse some vertebra. He's also had both hips replaced (and he's only 65). Then about 2 years ago, he caught me and mom gone and crawled into one of my kitchen cabinets to move an outlet. When he came out, he felt something in his back pop - and the headaches started that night. Mom wonders if perhaps he's got something pressing against his spine, but can't get a doctor to listen to her - the ones around here seem to think head pain must be caused by head problems, back pain by back problems......*sigh*
I'm so sorry to hear that you are dealing with all of this. Sometimes, yup, you do have to fight to get the care you need. I hope your father finds some relief at WVU.
Thank you to all of you. It's just life as normal for me, really. I'm able to manage fairly well compared to how things seem to affect other people. So all things considering, it's just something she added to my chart and an explanation. I'll just keep on keeping on.2 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Oh man, that truly sucks @GottaBurnEmAll
And don't worry, you were all meant to get a laugh from my lawn mowing outfit. Evil long bits of grass and its seeds have been dealt to, now die, you *kitten*!!!!
Ovulation weight is in play. And this would be a month where my left ovary tries to kill me, wouldn't it (cyst)??? Can't take ibuprofen, can't have a hot bath. Have taken paracetamol and have a hot water bottle on it. Will pop some codeine if it gets to that point. So, now up 1.7 kg total.
Oh, shall I give you some laughs about the "good" old days about having your period and killer cramps when the only pain killer on the market was aspirin?
Good times man, good times.
Then I can tell you about belts.3 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »DISCIPLINEEQUALSFREEDOM wrote: »I've been incorporating refeeds every Wednesday and Saturday and it's been working TREMENDOUSLY, I had a 2.5 lbs loss this week alone.!
For refeeds to be optimal, they are best done 2 days in a row. I highly recommend you listen to the podcast back on page 1 that was the start of this discussion.
I really need to get on with writing that tl;dr synopsis...
Ah gad yeah, thanks for the reminder.. I partied a little too hard Saturday night and spent the rest of Sunday recovering
Just as an aside, refeeds can be either done for longer (>2 consecutive days) or more frequently (2-3 maintenance refeeds spaced evenly throughout the week) for more or less the same effect. Basically you're either creating a large pulse or you're creating several small pulses throughout the week to maintain regulation. Again, all in the context of being already within optimal bf% - this is subjective according to each person, but generally within the lean-normal range for sustainability and the least amount of correlative health risks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_fat_percentage)
And just to add *that* much more to the pending TL;DR synopsis - Lyle talks about dieting strategies and control within flexible dieting
https://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/fat-loss-fundamentals/introduction-dieting-part-1.html/
https://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/fat-loss-fundamentals/an-introduction-to-dieting-part-2.html/
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Oh man, that truly sucks @GottaBurnEmAll
And don't worry, you were all meant to get a laugh from my lawn mowing outfit. Evil long bits of grass and its seeds have been dealt to, now die, you *kitten*!!!!
Ovulation weight is in play. And this would be a month where my left ovary tries to kill me, wouldn't it (cyst)??? Can't take ibuprofen, can't have a hot bath. Have taken paracetamol and have a hot water bottle on it. Will pop some codeine if it gets to that point. So, now up 1.7 kg total.
Oh, shall I give you some laughs about the "good" old days about having your period and killer cramps when the only pain killer on the market was aspirin?
Good times man, good times.
Then I can tell you about belts.
Ah belts, the good old days.
When I used to get horrible periods no painkiller helped. Was just dreadful. I am very grateful to live somewhere that the pill is free!0 -
VintageFeline wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Oh man, that truly sucks @GottaBurnEmAll
And don't worry, you were all meant to get a laugh from my lawn mowing outfit. Evil long bits of grass and its seeds have been dealt to, now die, you *kitten*!!!!
Ovulation weight is in play. And this would be a month where my left ovary tries to kill me, wouldn't it (cyst)??? Can't take ibuprofen, can't have a hot bath. Have taken paracetamol and have a hot water bottle on it. Will pop some codeine if it gets to that point. So, now up 1.7 kg total.
Oh, shall I give you some laughs about the "good" old days about having your period and killer cramps when the only pain killer on the market was aspirin?
Good times man, good times.
Then I can tell you about belts.
Ah belts, the good old days.
When I used to get horrible periods no painkiller helped. Was just dreadful. I am very grateful to live somewhere that the pill is free!
You are a youngun'! They must have had belts linger a lot longer over there than they did here. Then again, I'm remembering now that I stopped using them before the self-sticks were introduced because there was one time I got caught out and bought a pad from the dispenser in my grade school... and it came with safety pins to attach. Well, I thought that was brilliant. I immediately switched to that method of attachment from then until they introduced the sticky type.0 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »DISCIPLINEEQUALSFREEDOM wrote: »I've been incorporating refeeds every Wednesday and Saturday and it's been working TREMENDOUSLY, I had a 2.5 lbs loss this week alone.!
For refeeds to be optimal, they are best done 2 days in a row. I highly recommend you listen to the podcast back on page 1 that was the start of this discussion.
I really need to get on with writing that tl;dr synopsis...
Ah gad yeah, thanks for the reminder.. I partied a little too hard Saturday night and spent the rest of Sunday recovering
Just as an aside, refeeds can be either done for longer (>2 consecutive days) or more frequently (2-3 maintenance refeeds spaced evenly throughout the week) for more or less the same effect. Basically you're either creating a large pulse or you're creating several small pulses throughout the week to maintain regulation. Again, all in the context of being already within optimal bf% - this is subjective according to each person, but generally within the lean-normal range for sustainability and the least amount of correlative health risks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_fat_percentage)
And just to add *that* much more to the pending TL;DR synopsis - Lyle talks about dieting strategies and control within flexible dieting
https://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/fat-loss-fundamentals/introduction-dieting-part-1.html/
https://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/fat-loss-fundamentals/an-introduction-to-dieting-part-2.html/
Oh, thanks for the reminder regarding this advice/strategy. It will be a helpful tool in my arsenal in regards to battling my ongoing demons and in helping people who come to the thread. I'll remember it the next time things in the pantry start randomly talking to me.3
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