How do you choose a salad over a Big Mac?
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singingflutelady wrote: »Sunnybrooke99 wrote: »The myth that fit, attractive people must barely eat and never indulge in junk food is part of the reason so many obese people think its impossible for them to get fit. It’s a toxic lie we tell ourselves to justify our own weakness.
A burger that size is not indulging, it’s binging. The first thing I do when I order a huge burger at a restaurant is cut off a third, and hand my boyfriend the other two thirds. If no one is there to share, I still cut it in half. Better in the garbage than on my thighs. Big Macs aren’t quite so huge, but I haven’t even bothered with one since high school.
Big Macs are less than 600 calories. You have a very strange definition of binging. Even if that burger is 1200 eating that amount in one meal is no where near binging.
personally, I wouldn't consider a meal to be "binging" until you're getting into the 3,000+ range.
Well, maybe not for a big guy. I can see that. But a 1500 calorie burger is pretty intense for one meal. It’s an entire day worth of calories for me.1 -
singingflutelady wrote: »Sunnybrooke99 wrote: »The myth that fit, attractive people must barely eat and never indulge in junk food is part of the reason so many obese people think its impossible for them to get fit. It’s a toxic lie we tell ourselves to justify our own weakness.
A burger that size is not indulging, it’s binging. The first thing I do when I order a huge burger at a restaurant is cut off a third, and hand my boyfriend the other two thirds. If no one is there to share, I still cut it in half. Better in the garbage than on my thighs. Big Macs aren’t quite so huge, but I haven’t even bothered with one since high school.
Big Macs are less than 600 calories. You have a very strange definition of binging. Even if that burger is 1200 eating that amount in one meal is no where near binging.
The trivialization of mental illness kills me. When I mention people being a hoarder, some people are like "omg me too. I can't turn down a bargain haha." Meanwhile, I'm severely depressed and trying not to wind up a subject of an A&E reality series.
Sitting down to a large meal that might make you overfull is not bingeing.7 -
PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Sunnybrooke99 wrote: »The myth that fit, attractive people must barely eat and never indulge in junk food is part of the reason so many obese people think its impossible for them to get fit. It’s a toxic lie we tell ourselves to justify our own weakness.
A burger that size is not indulging, it’s binging. The first thing I do when I order a huge burger at a restaurant is cut off a third, and hand my boyfriend the other two thirds. If no one is there to share, I still cut it in half. Better in the garbage than on my thighs. Big Macs aren’t quite so huge, but I haven’t even bothered with one since high school.
Big Macs are less than 600 calories. You have a very strange definition of binging. Even if that burger is 1200 eating that amount in one meal is no where near binging.
The trivialization of mental illness kills me. When I mention people being a hoarder, some people are like "omg me too. I can't turn down a bargain haha." Meanwhile, I'm severely depressed and trying not to wind up a subject of an A&E reality series.
Sitting down to a large meal that might make you overfull is not bingeing.
Maybe, try not being personally offended by absolutely everything.4 -
Sunnybrooke99 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Sunnybrooke99 wrote: »The myth that fit, attractive people must barely eat and never indulge in junk food is part of the reason so many obese people think its impossible for them to get fit. It’s a toxic lie we tell ourselves to justify our own weakness.
A burger that size is not indulging, it’s binging. The first thing I do when I order a huge burger at a restaurant is cut off a third, and hand my boyfriend the other two thirds. If no one is there to share, I still cut it in half. Better in the garbage than on my thighs. Big Macs aren’t quite so huge, but I haven’t even bothered with one since high school.
Big Macs are less than 600 calories. You have a very strange definition of binging. Even if that burger is 1200 eating that amount in one meal is no where near binging.
personally, I wouldn't consider a meal to be "binging" until you're getting into the 3,000+ range.
Well, maybe not for a big guy. I can see that. But a 1500 calorie burger is pretty intense for one meal. It’s an entire day worth of calories for me.
1500 is still not a binge. Many ED binges are 10 000 + calories. Also binges are uncontrollably shovelling down food which does not mean eating 1 high calorie burger. 1500 would just be overrating.4 -
Sunnybrooke99 wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Sunnybrooke99 wrote: »The myth that fit, attractive people must barely eat and never indulge in junk food is part of the reason so many obese people think its impossible for them to get fit. It’s a toxic lie we tell ourselves to justify our own weakness.
A burger that size is not indulging, it’s binging. The first thing I do when I order a huge burger at a restaurant is cut off a third, and hand my boyfriend the other two thirds. If no one is there to share, I still cut it in half. Better in the garbage than on my thighs. Big Macs aren’t quite so huge, but I haven’t even bothered with one since high school.
Big Macs are less than 600 calories. You have a very strange definition of binging. Even if that burger is 1200 eating that amount in one meal is no where near binging.
The trivialization of mental illness kills me. When I mention people being a hoarder, some people are like "omg me too. I can't turn down a bargain haha." Meanwhile, I'm severely depressed and trying not to wind up a subject of an A&E reality series.
Sitting down to a large meal that might make you overfull is not bingeing.
Maybe, try not being personally offended by absolutely everything.
Try not using a serious illness to support your hyperbole.8 -
singingflutelady wrote: »Sunnybrooke99 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Sunnybrooke99 wrote: »The myth that fit, attractive people must barely eat and never indulge in junk food is part of the reason so many obese people think its impossible for them to get fit. It’s a toxic lie we tell ourselves to justify our own weakness.
A burger that size is not indulging, it’s binging. The first thing I do when I order a huge burger at a restaurant is cut off a third, and hand my boyfriend the other two thirds. If no one is there to share, I still cut it in half. Better in the garbage than on my thighs. Big Macs aren’t quite so huge, but I haven’t even bothered with one since high school.
Big Macs are less than 600 calories. You have a very strange definition of binging. Even if that burger is 1200 eating that amount in one meal is no where near binging.
personally, I wouldn't consider a meal to be "binging" until you're getting into the 3,000+ range.
Well, maybe not for a big guy. I can see that. But a 1500 calorie burger is pretty intense for one meal. It’s an entire day worth of calories for me.
1500 is still not a binge. Many ED binges are 10 000 + calories. Also binges are uncontrollably shovelling down food which does not mean eating 1 high calorie burger. 1500 would just be overrating.
Fair enough. “Over indulging”. No offense to meant in that regard.0 -
PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »Sunnybrooke99 wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Sunnybrooke99 wrote: »The myth that fit, attractive people must barely eat and never indulge in junk food is part of the reason so many obese people think its impossible for them to get fit. It’s a toxic lie we tell ourselves to justify our own weakness.
A burger that size is not indulging, it’s binging. The first thing I do when I order a huge burger at a restaurant is cut off a third, and hand my boyfriend the other two thirds. If no one is there to share, I still cut it in half. Better in the garbage than on my thighs. Big Macs aren’t quite so huge, but I haven’t even bothered with one since high school.
Big Macs are less than 600 calories. You have a very strange definition of binging. Even if that burger is 1200 eating that amount in one meal is no where near binging.
The trivialization of mental illness kills me. When I mention people being a hoarder, some people are like "omg me too. I can't turn down a bargain haha." Meanwhile, I'm severely depressed and trying not to wind up a subject of an A&E reality series.
Sitting down to a large meal that might make you overfull is not bingeing.
Maybe, try not being personally offended by absolutely everything.
Try not using a serious illness to support your hyperbole.
It wasn’t. . You are exaggerating, and I’ve already corrected myself. There’s a such thing as an “offended troll”.3 -
singingflutelady wrote: »Sunnybrooke99 wrote: »The myth that fit, attractive people must barely eat and never indulge in junk food is part of the reason so many obese people think its impossible for them to get fit. It’s a toxic lie we tell ourselves to justify our own weakness.
A burger that size is not indulging, it’s binging. The first thing I do when I order a huge burger at a restaurant is cut off a third, and hand my boyfriend the other two thirds. If no one is there to share, I still cut it in half. Better in the garbage than on my thighs. Big Macs aren’t quite so huge, but I haven’t even bothered with one since high school.
Big Macs are less than 600 calories. You have a very strange definition of binging. Even if that burger is 1200 eating that amount in one meal is no where near binging.
I agree that the Big Mac is not that big a deal if eaten occasionally. However, that model/actress is not holding a big Mac. That hamburger is about the size of her thigh and the big Macs I've seen are not the size of even the thinnest adult woman's leg!!
This is an interesting thread. I've never "binged" like people are describing here so I just learned that a person can eat 10,000 calories at once! I obviously ate too much, otherwise I wouldn't be the weight I am (or was) but a binge to me is a bag of potato chips, which probably has about 1500 calories.2 -
I agree with Paula here - the word binging is being used too loosely.
Sure, most of us over eat now and then and eat a packet of potato chips or a burger that doesn't realiy fit into our calories - but that is not binging.
Using words too loosely undermines the seriousness of real binging.
Whether the actress modelling the burger really eats such things or just poses with them for advertising purposes - there is no doubt she could eat a burger like that sometimes and still be the shape/weight she is.
Obviously depending on other factors like what else she eats and her activity level.
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sloth3toes wrote: »If you're craving McDonalds, an All American Meal is also a good option. Hamburger and a small fries. about 500 calories total, and super delicious.
If you ever wonder why people are so much fatter today than in 1950, consider that when McDonalds was founded that was the only thing they served.
McDonald's didn't create the demand, they responded to it.
Seems like sort of a chicken or egg thing. I'm not sure I knew I wanted a Big Mac, until there was such a thing?
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I think to large degree they created the demand - like all new products which advertising creates a need for.
Not saying that makes them bad - but that is how advertising works and new products gain ground in the market.0 -
lucerorojo wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Sunnybrooke99 wrote: »The myth that fit, attractive people must barely eat and never indulge in junk food is part of the reason so many obese people think its impossible for them to get fit. It’s a toxic lie we tell ourselves to justify our own weakness.
A burger that size is not indulging, it’s binging. The first thing I do when I order a huge burger at a restaurant is cut off a third, and hand my boyfriend the other two thirds. If no one is there to share, I still cut it in half. Better in the garbage than on my thighs. Big Macs aren’t quite so huge, but I haven’t even bothered with one since high school.
Big Macs are less than 600 calories. You have a very strange definition of binging. Even if that burger is 1200 eating that amount in one meal is no where near binging.
I agree that the Big Mac is not that big a deal if eaten occasionally. However, that model/actress is not holding a big Mac. That hamburger is about the size of her thigh and the big Macs I've seen are not the size of even the thinnest adult woman's leg!!
This is an interesting thread. I've never "binged" like people are describing here so I just learned that a person can eat 10,000 calories at once! I obviously ate too much, otherwise I wouldn't be the weight I am (or was) but a binge to me is a bag of potato chips, which probably has about 1500 calories.
In Bulimia and anorexia binge/purge subtype a lot of those calories are purged and binge sessions are often interrupted by multiple purge sessions0 -
Keep eating there and your taste buds won't change. You will continue to crave it. My teenager I use to drive to McDonalds and sometimes I can say no to the one fry or two and sometimes I eat half. Really am disappointed with myself afterwards for the lack of willpower. Glad she's driving. And you know, the make this food to taste good to hit those taste receptors. Just say NO!2
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mysteps2beauty wrote: »Keep eating there and your taste buds won't change. You will continue to crave it. My teenager I use to drive to McDonalds and sometimes I can say no to the one fry or two and sometimes I eat half. Really am disappointed with myself afterwards for the lack of willpower. Glad she's driving. And you know, the make this food to taste good to hit those taste receptors. Just say NO!
No need to feel guilty about eating any type of food. As long as you fit it in your calorie allowance you are fine.2 -
singingflutelady wrote: »mysteps2beauty wrote: »Keep eating there and your taste buds won't change. You will continue to crave it. My teenager I use to drive to McDonalds and sometimes I can say no to the one fry or two and sometimes I eat half. Really am disappointed with myself afterwards for the lack of willpower. Glad she's driving. And you know, the make this food to taste good to hit those taste receptors. Just say NO!
No need to feel guilty about eating any type of food. As long as you fit it in your calorie allowance you are fine.
Exactly, I mean Mcdonalds and many other restaurants show the calorie totals of their foods. I fit restaurant food into my calories all the time. I know it's harder for petite women but still possible.
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I ate @ 1550 cals today - 300 at noon (an oatmeal concoction and coffee), 350 at 4 pm (a homemade grain and veggie bowl) and 900 for dinner (Wendy's single with cheese no mayo, small fries, and a Coke zero).
I was a little under on protein and a bit over on fat, and I usually eat more veggies than that. But I felt great all day, everything was yummy, and I think I'll live to see another day
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mysteps2beauty wrote: »Keep eating there and your taste buds won't change. You will continue to crave it. My teenager I use to drive to McDonalds and sometimes I can say no to the one fry or two and sometimes I eat half. Really am disappointed with myself afterwards for the lack of willpower. Glad she's driving. And you know, the make this food to taste good to hit those taste receptors. Just say NO!
If you enjoy macdonalds and you can fit it into your calorie allowance and your balanced diet - why would you want your taste buds to change? Or yourself to just say NO??
and if you can do that, why would you be disappointed with yourself when you did so??
and yes, of course they want to make the food taste good, istn that what we all do with all food?? - what would be the point of buying food that tasted awful or of a business not aiming to have customers like the taste of their products??
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singingflutelady wrote: »mysteps2beauty wrote: »Keep eating there and your taste buds won't change. You will continue to crave it. My teenager I use to drive to McDonalds and sometimes I can say no to the one fry or two and sometimes I eat half. Really am disappointed with myself afterwards for the lack of willpower. Glad she's driving. And you know, the make this food to taste good to hit those taste receptors. Just say NO!
No need to feel guilty about eating any type of food. As long as you fit it in your calorie allowance you are fine.
Add macro and micro nutrient profile to this and your okay.
And before someone says people know and understand about proper nutrition, look at the amount of fruits and veggies in the US diet compared to the recommended amounts.1 -
Best to have it on your cheat days and enjoy it!0
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leonhnchan wrote: »Best to have it on your cheat days and enjoy it!
Not everyone does “cheat days”.
I try to limit myself to only going for fast food once a week (usually Thursday nights in the fall and winter). I know the foods that will fit into my calorie/macro goals and I choose them while making sure I’ve still met other goals. There are plenty of times where I’ll have a salad for lunch and then McDonalds for dinner.1 -
Packerjohn wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »mysteps2beauty wrote: »Keep eating there and your taste buds won't change. You will continue to crave it. My teenager I use to drive to McDonalds and sometimes I can say no to the one fry or two and sometimes I eat half. Really am disappointed with myself afterwards for the lack of willpower. Glad she's driving. And you know, the make this food to taste good to hit those taste receptors. Just say NO!
No need to feel guilty about eating any type of food. As long as you fit it in your calorie allowance you are fine.
Add macro and micro nutrient profile to this and your okay.
And before someone says people know and understand about proper nutrition, look at the amount of fruits and veggies in the US diet compared to the recommended amounts.
People generally know and understand, it's just that nutrition is not high on the priorities list for some people. I mean I very much doubt people who drinks liters of soda do so because they think it's nutritious. Here's an interesting trivia: vegetable consumption now is actually higher than it was pre 90s simply because people are eating more of nearly everything, including vegetables. Also interestingly, there is a slight dip in later years, but there is an even bigger dip in the consumption of potatoes. I wonder if that's part of it.
Edited: for a table with more detailed data than a 2 year comparison.0 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »mysteps2beauty wrote: »Keep eating there and your taste buds won't change. You will continue to crave it. My teenager I use to drive to McDonalds and sometimes I can say no to the one fry or two and sometimes I eat half. Really am disappointed with myself afterwards for the lack of willpower. Glad she's driving. And you know, the make this food to taste good to hit those taste receptors. Just say NO!
No need to feel guilty about eating any type of food. As long as you fit it in your calorie allowance you are fine.
Add macro and micro nutrient profile to this and your okay.
And before someone says people know and understand about proper nutrition, look at the amount of fruits and veggies in the US diet compared to the recommended amounts.
People generally know and understand, it's just that nutrition is not high on the priorities list for some people. I mean I very much doubt people who drinks liters of soda do so because they think it's nutritious. Here's an interesting trivia: vegetable consumption now is actually higher than it was pre 90s simply because people are eating more of nearly everything, including vegetables. Also interestingly, there is a slight dip in later years, but there is an even bigger dip in the consumption of potatoes. I wonder if that's part of it.
Only 10% of Americans eat enough fruits and veggies, so nutrition not high on the priority list for MOST people. Not a success story from a nutrition standpoint.
https://consumer.healthday.com/public-health-information-30/centers-for-disease-control-news-120/only-1-in-10-americans-eats-enough-fruits-and-veggies-cdc-701213.html1 -
sloth3toes wrote: »sloth3toes wrote: »If you're craving McDonalds, an All American Meal is also a good option. Hamburger and a small fries. about 500 calories total, and super delicious.
If you ever wonder why people are so much fatter today than in 1950, consider that when McDonalds was founded that was the only thing they served.
McDonald's didn't create the demand, they responded to it.
Seems like sort of a chicken or egg thing. I'm not sure I knew I wanted a Big Mac, until there was such a thing?
I can't abide thousand island dressing... I've never had a big mac.
If I'm at Mcdonald's it's for convenience and price. 2x Mcdoubles, 2x McChicken, and a cup. that's $6+ tax for 2/3 of my daily calories +/-
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About once a month now I'll go to McDonalds and get a 10 piece nugget. No fries. Just 1000 calories of nuggety goodness.2
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Packerjohn wrote: »kenyonhaff wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »JustRobby1 wrote: »Fast food chains and other corporate conglomerates are able to persuade you through advertising subliminally. It might not be that you are actively making that decision on your own. Colors, advertisements, placement , emphasis, all effect the buyer. I'm a psychology major, and I just got done doing a paper on this exact subject
I believe the Big Mac meal is number one on the menu right? While they don't want to get criticized by the media, in a society that is becoming more health conscious, they add things like Vitamin water ( full of sugar ) Salads ( that are full of hidden fats ) and Diet Sodas which have been PROVEN to make people more hungry. The number one seller , the Big Mac, is not placed at Number one by accident. It is meant for you to see it. The best way to say no, is just to not go in. .Because once you are in the restaurant, your decisions are already being made for you. I'm not saying EVERYONE is subjected to this form of advertising manipulation, but MCdonald's is not a billion dollar corporation for nothing. They know exactly what they are doing.
LOL. I work for a rather large ad agency in Chicago. We represent several multinationals in a wide array of verticals including food service, and I do not seem to remember the copywriters or production folks adding subliminal messages to any of our campaigns. McDonald's is actually headquartered not far from here in nearby Oak Brook, Illinois, though they are sadly represented by an out of town ad agency called Omnicom Group located in New York City. I know a slew people who work there, and none of them are illuminati plotting with Mc Donald's for subliminal world domination one Big Mac at a time.
I'm going to call a bit of BS on this. As I see McDonalds ads I don't see overweight or obese people in them or at least nowhere near the 70% of the US population. The people in the ads don't match what you see when you actually go in a McDonalds. This IMO, gives the subliminal message that the food is healthy and fit for consumption on a regular basis.
Just like you see attractive people in Wal-Mart ads, not the stars of "The People of Wal-Mart". They are trying to give the impression of a more upscale shopping experience than it really is.
That's not subliminal advertising. Subliminal advertising is the deliberate insertion of words, images, and audio that supposedly is under the awareness of the viewer. (Such as every 10 frames a frame flashing "eat nuggets" is in the feed--not really noticeable in watching but it's there). The thing is, it doesn't really work - there have been countless studies-- and that's one of the main reasons it is not used as a technique in advertising.
And of course commercials typically show a glamorous version of fast food. The food is carefully crafted, the customers and employees are all actors, and so on. That's just advertising. And of course that's supposed to manipulate the viewer and promote the store. To be fair, Panera does the exact same thing, and so does the "Got Milk"? campaign.
I understand it's not subliminal messaging by the strict definition. However you can't tell me the advertisers don't cast fit, normal weight people for the commercials to give the impression to viewers that McDonald's is the way these people eat on a regular basis.
Call it advertising fluff or what you will, but they are far from the typical McDonalds customer.
Bud Light beer has pretty regular looking guys partying with hot women in scanty clothing...
Pretty sure that's not what really happens if a normal looking guy buys a case of Bud Light.
It's advertising - trying to make the product look attractive to the buyer.3 -
paperpudding wrote: »sampsondavidj wrote: »McDonald's has always been a nemesis for me. I have stood in line, pondering if I should get a salad or McWrap instead of a Big Mac. 99.97% of the time, I choose the Big Mac....I did get the McWrap once. What I am looking for is "decision process information" that helps you choose the salad. What I mean by "decision process information" is any thoughts or reasonings that you have that lead to the decision to eat the salad.
You look at the options and unless you say burger without thinking you choose the salad because you know the burger isn't what you need... Go with instinct rather than craving.
The wrap is just a red herring... Ignore the wrap. It is a lie.
Curious - why is the wrap a lie??
If I was at Mcdonalds I would choose the wrap - not sure of comparitve calorie counts but I rarely eat at Mcdonalds so a one off occasion wouldnt matter to me and and I like wraps and I dont like burgers..
The insight being conveyed is that many people automatically equate wrap with healthy. Just as with salads that are full of goodies and dressings wraps are often more calories than their "less healthy" alternatives.
Since we're playing McDonald's and I recently tried their morning wraps every single one of them has more calories than a breakfast sandwich. At 710 and 590 the top two wraps (out of the three) are more calories each than a big mac.
At least that's what *I* got out of the comment ;-)
That always bugs me that people make that assumption too. Most restaurant sandwich wraps use the larger burrito wraps that are ~200 calories per wrap (especially if they include veggies because they now have to contain a larger volume). The extremely small corn tortillas (that fit almost nothing inside) are the only ones that are 50-60 calories. Everything else is almost as high or higher in calories than a bun (~120ish + any butter/oil toasting). If that menu option is lower calorie, it'll only be because they are shorting you on the protein source in favor of added starch calories.
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The myth that fit, attractive people must barely eat and never indulge in junk food is part of the reason so many obese people think its impossible for them to get fit. It’s a toxic lie we tell ourselves to justify our own weakness.
Yeah, I spent years thinking I had to avoid certain foods in order to get the body that I wanted. It was all a lie. It turns out that I can eat french fries, big messy sandwiches, pizza, and beer and still be slender. It really is all about the calories.
I comforted myself for years thinking that I was enjoying life more than slender people were because they were denying themselves constantly. That wasn't true.
Would I spend 1,500 calories on a sandwich now? Most days, probably not. But I've had 1,500 calorie meals since I've been counting calories and it's either fit within my day (due to activity) or I've balanced it out on subsequent days. It's really not that much food and I have no doubt that even models could do it sometimes if they wanted to. Yesterday I had a beer and a big cupcake and I was just 170 calories over my goal, something that is easily within the calories I banked on the previous day.
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Sunnybrooke99 wrote: »The myth that fit, attractive people must barely eat and never indulge in junk food is part of the reason so many obese people think its impossible for them to get fit. It’s a toxic lie we tell ourselves to justify our own weakness.
A burger that size is not indulging, it’s binging. The first thing I do when I order a huge burger at a restaurant is cut off a third, and hand my boyfriend the other two thirds. If no one is there to share, I still cut it in half. Better in the garbage than on my thighs. Big Macs aren’t quite so huge, but I haven’t even bothered with one since high school.
Your definition of binging is off a bit.
ETA: Already covered. Disregard.
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The salads are too expensive and the salad dressings are high in calories. Get the big Mac with no fries and get a water. Or get a small fry. Just be good the rest of the day.1
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PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »The trivialization of mental illness kills me. When I mention people being a hoarder, some people are like "omg me too. I can't turn down a bargain haha." Meanwhile, I'm severely depressed and trying not to wind up a subject of an A&E reality series.
Sitting down to a large meal that might make you overfull is not bingeing.
I hear people use the term "bingeing" all the time. Since when did using it loosely become "trivialization of mental illness?" Is "bingeing" another term that has suddenly become offensive?
I personally don't really care whether eating my entire day's worth of calories in one burger is defined as either indulging or binging. If you're trying to lose weight like this thread's OP, then it's probably a bad idea at any time other than a special occasion.4
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