November 2017 Running Challenge
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PastorVincent wrote: »@Elise4270 - Yes I said that, but the problem is you have to take the watch off to get to the charging port
I don't see that as a big problem. If you're in a race which requires a recharge on the run, it's probably long enough that you really don't need to look at your GPS all the time. Remove the GPS, plug it into an external battery pack, put it in one of the many pockets your hydration vest. It will still be easy enough to pull out if you have to see something on it.
If you can afford 10 minutes at *each* station to charge, without making any progress (other than resting), why couldn't you afford to take it off for an hour and fully recharge on the go (making progress)? I think I may be missing something here? I'm also not getting how the leg difficulty makes a difference ("take it off on an easy leg")
@MNLittleFinn I see two options. Recharge on the go with an external battery pack, or change out to a secondary GPS at the main AS and run a loop with it while your main GPS recharges.
I'd go for the external battery pack, preferably a small one. Testing, of course, prior to race day.
My thought on the easy vs hard leg was simply that you might want the HR tracking on the harder sections where you really do not need it on the easy sections. Taking the watch off you loose that tracking.0 -
MNLittleFinn wrote: »[
That's the option I'm leaning toward. I'm not super worried about getting HR data, and if I was, I'd just use a chest HRM and bypass that issue.PastorVincent wrote: »@Elise4270 - Yes I said that, but the problem is you have to take the watch off to get to the charging port
I don't see that as a big problem. If you're in a race which requires a recharge on the run, it's probably long enough that you really don't need to look at your GPS all the time. Remove the GPS, plug it into an external battery pack, put it in one of the many pockets your hydration vest. It will still be easy enough to pull out if you have to see something on it.
If you can afford 10 minutes at *each* station to charge, without making any progress (other than resting), why couldn't you afford to take it off for an hour and fully recharge on the go (making progress)? I think I may be missing something here? I'm also not getting how the leg difficulty makes a difference ("take it off on an easy leg")
@MNLittleFinn I see two options. Recharge on the go with an external battery pack, or change out to a secondary GPS at the main AS and run a loop with it while your main GPS recharges.
I'd go for the external battery pack, preferably a small one. Testing, of course, prior to race day.
Can you turn off the HRM on the watch? If you can, that could save a lot of battery by itself.0 -
PastorVincent wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »@Elise4270 - Yes I said that, but the problem is you have to take the watch off to get to the charging port
I don't see that as a big problem. If you're in a race which requires a recharge on the run, it's probably long enough that you really don't need to look at your GPS all the time. Remove the GPS, plug it into an external battery pack, put it in one of the many pockets your hydration vest. It will still be easy enough to pull out if you have to see something on it.
If you can afford 10 minutes at *each* station to charge, without making any progress (other than resting), why couldn't you afford to take it off for an hour and fully recharge on the go (making progress)? I think I may be missing something here? I'm also not getting how the leg difficulty makes a difference ("take it off on an easy leg")
@MNLittleFinn I see two options. Recharge on the go with an external battery pack, or change out to a secondary GPS at the main AS and run a loop with it while your main GPS recharges.
I'd go for the external battery pack, preferably a small one. Testing, of course, prior to race day.
My thought on the easy vs hard leg was simply that you might want the HR tracking on the harder sections where you really do not need it on the easy sections. Taking the watch off you loose that tracking.
on a 100 mile ultra, the "hard" legs could actually be the ones with less need for HR data, since they will be the technical ones with more hicking/climbing/crawling. At least, that's been my experience in my lowly one ultra.0 -
PastorVincent wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »[
That's the option I'm leaning toward. I'm not super worried about getting HR data, and if I was, I'd just use a chest HRM and bypass that issue.PastorVincent wrote: »@Elise4270 - Yes I said that, but the problem is you have to take the watch off to get to the charging port
I don't see that as a big problem. If you're in a race which requires a recharge on the run, it's probably long enough that you really don't need to look at your GPS all the time. Remove the GPS, plug it into an external battery pack, put it in one of the many pockets your hydration vest. It will still be easy enough to pull out if you have to see something on it.
If you can afford 10 minutes at *each* station to charge, without making any progress (other than resting), why couldn't you afford to take it off for an hour and fully recharge on the go (making progress)? I think I may be missing something here? I'm also not getting how the leg difficulty makes a difference ("take it off on an easy leg")
@MNLittleFinn I see two options. Recharge on the go with an external battery pack, or change out to a secondary GPS at the main AS and run a loop with it while your main GPS recharges.
I'd go for the external battery pack, preferably a small one. Testing, of course, prior to race day.
Can you turn off the HRM on the watch? If you can, that could save a lot of battery by itself.
oh, you can turn it off, that's easy enough to do. I'm thinking about running chest strap HRM at Zumbro for that reason. Lots to decide, but running without the HRM on would be a battery saver, along with disabling apps, setting to GPS only and such....0 -
MNLittleFinn wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »[
That's the option I'm leaning toward. I'm not super worried about getting HR data, and if I was, I'd just use a chest HRM and bypass that issue.PastorVincent wrote: »@Elise4270 - Yes I said that, but the problem is you have to take the watch off to get to the charging port
I don't see that as a big problem. If you're in a race which requires a recharge on the run, it's probably long enough that you really don't need to look at your GPS all the time. Remove the GPS, plug it into an external battery pack, put it in one of the many pockets your hydration vest. It will still be easy enough to pull out if you have to see something on it.
If you can afford 10 minutes at *each* station to charge, without making any progress (other than resting), why couldn't you afford to take it off for an hour and fully recharge on the go (making progress)? I think I may be missing something here? I'm also not getting how the leg difficulty makes a difference ("take it off on an easy leg")
@MNLittleFinn I see two options. Recharge on the go with an external battery pack, or change out to a secondary GPS at the main AS and run a loop with it while your main GPS recharges.
I'd go for the external battery pack, preferably a small one. Testing, of course, prior to race day.
Can you turn off the HRM on the watch? If you can, that could save a lot of battery by itself.
oh, you can turn it off, that's easy enough to do. I'm thinking about running chest strap HRM at Zumbro for that reason. Lots to decide, but running without the HRM on would be a battery saver, along with disabling apps, setting to GPS only and such....
Then I think you should test and see what battery life you get with HRM off and using the chest strap. It might get you enough without all the other fun. But using a chest strap means you can easily use an external battery too. So you are covered.0 -
PastorVincent wrote: »@kevaasen - THat is a cruel picture with those runners on that link running in nice warm weather. It will be NOTHING like that here in Pittsburgh.
HA - you are right - I didn't pay attention to the photo as being in Chicago can have a large number of bad and/or cold days during my planned holiday running streak. I might have to find some travel days for work to a nice location see if I can replicate .
Today had a wind chill of ~20 degrees with an actual 32 temperature. Will try to run as much as I can outside to minimize the use of my treadmill - but those bad weather days might also be my "very easy days" where I might just run a mile provided I am able to get some of the longer runs outside on the "relatively better weather days".0 -
yeah. I'll be experimenting, it will be fun.PastorVincent wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »[
That's the option I'm leaning toward. I'm not super worried about getting HR data, and if I was, I'd just use a chest HRM and bypass that issue.PastorVincent wrote: »@Elise4270 - Yes I said that, but the problem is you have to take the watch off to get to the charging port
I don't see that as a big problem. If you're in a race which requires a recharge on the run, it's probably long enough that you really don't need to look at your GPS all the time. Remove the GPS, plug it into an external battery pack, put it in one of the many pockets your hydration vest. It will still be easy enough to pull out if you have to see something on it.
If you can afford 10 minutes at *each* station to charge, without making any progress (other than resting), why couldn't you afford to take it off for an hour and fully recharge on the go (making progress)? I think I may be missing something here? I'm also not getting how the leg difficulty makes a difference ("take it off on an easy leg")
@MNLittleFinn I see two options. Recharge on the go with an external battery pack, or change out to a secondary GPS at the main AS and run a loop with it while your main GPS recharges.
I'd go for the external battery pack, preferably a small one. Testing, of course, prior to race day.
Can you turn off the HRM on the watch? If you can, that could save a lot of battery by itself.
oh, you can turn it off, that's easy enough to do. I'm thinking about running chest strap HRM at Zumbro for that reason. Lots to decide, but running without the HRM on would be a battery saver, along with disabling apps, setting to GPS only and such....
Then I think you should test and see what battery life you get with HRM off and using the chest strap. It might get you enough without all the other fun. But using a chest strap means you can easily use an external battery too. So you are covered.
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@MNLittleFinn could you wear the watch, while charging upside down on your wrist?0
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I have a goal of 80 miles. I have a long fun race Saturday and then am starting marathon trail training next week.10
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November 1 - 16.5 km run / strength training2
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PastorVincent wrote: »@kevaasen - THat is a cruel picture with those runners on that link running in nice warm weather. It will be NOTHING like that here in Pittsburgh.
HA - you are right - I didn't pay attention to the photo as being in Chicago can have a large number of bad and/or cold days during my planned holiday running streak. I might have to find some travel days for work to a nice location see if I can replicate .
Today had a wind chill of ~20 degrees with an actual 32 temperature. Will try to run as much as I can outside to minimize the use of my treadmill - but those bad weather days might also be my "very easy days" where I might just run a mile provided I am able to get some of the longer runs outside on the "relatively better weather days".
We don't have that problem in Phoenix.
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RunsOnEspresso wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »@kevaasen - THat is a cruel picture with those runners on that link running in nice warm weather. It will be NOTHING like that here in Pittsburgh.
HA - you are right - I didn't pay attention to the photo as being in Chicago can have a large number of bad and/or cold days during my planned holiday running streak. I might have to find some travel days for work to a nice location see if I can replicate .
Today had a wind chill of ~20 degrees with an actual 32 temperature. Will try to run as much as I can outside to minimize the use of my treadmill - but those bad weather days might also be my "very easy days" where I might just run a mile provided I am able to get some of the longer runs outside on the "relatively better weather days".
We don't have that problem in Phoenix.
true that. I have to seriously consider having a team meeting with my employees in AZ, CA,TX for 3 days with an early and/or late arrival for me to be there for up to 5 days.1 -
PastorVincent wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »[
That's the option I'm leaning toward. I'm not super worried about getting HR data, and if I was, I'd just use a chest HRM and bypass that issue.PastorVincent wrote: »@Elise4270 - Yes I said that, but the problem is you have to take the watch off to get to the charging port
I don't see that as a big problem. If you're in a race which requires a recharge on the run, it's probably long enough that you really don't need to look at your GPS all the time. Remove the GPS, plug it into an external battery pack, put it in one of the many pockets your hydration vest. It will still be easy enough to pull out if you have to see something on it.
If you can afford 10 minutes at *each* station to charge, without making any progress (other than resting), why couldn't you afford to take it off for an hour and fully recharge on the go (making progress)? I think I may be missing something here? I'm also not getting how the leg difficulty makes a difference ("take it off on an easy leg")
@MNLittleFinn I see two options. Recharge on the go with an external battery pack, or change out to a secondary GPS at the main AS and run a loop with it while your main GPS recharges.
I'd go for the external battery pack, preferably a small one. Testing, of course, prior to race day.
Can you turn off the HRM on the watch? If you can, that could save a lot of battery by itself.
Yes, you can turn off the HRM. And to boot, if you connect an external HRM, the watch turns off the internal one as long as the external one is connected. That also means that if the external sensor runs out of juice (which can happen quite frequently with my Scosche armband if I forget to charge it), the watch will automatically turn the internal HRM back on to pick things back up.0 -
PastorVincent wrote: »So I have had this Garmin 935 for 6 days now. It arrived with 82% charge. I have used it on 4 runs (all around 90 mins give or take) with GPS+HR tracking on. I only plugged it in very briefly to update its software. I have even been using the sleep tracking just to see what it is (though I still do not see the point.)
This morning battery is at 26%. I can see this being a problem for me. With the AppleWatch I put it on the charger ever night (it could go 2 days on one charge with my normal use) That was easy to remember. With the Garmin needing at most weekly charging, I can easily see how I will forget and end up with the watch at 5% or something when I am ready to go run.
I charge mine in the car while I’m driving my kids to/from school. It’s a good 45 minutes round trip so if I do that twice a week I’m more than good. I think it’s good to get in the habit of same time(s) every week, then you won’t forget.1 -
Technically yes, but he'd need the quick release straps, and at that point, he may as well just put the thing in a pocket while it charges (I'm with @7lenny7 on this one, it's kind of a non-issue as the 935 charges really quick).@MNLittleFinn could you wear the watch, while charging upside down on your wrist?1 -
Technically yes, but he'd need the quick release straps, and at that point, he may as well just put the thing in a pocket while it charges (I'm with @7lenny7 on this one, it's kind of a non-issue as the 935 charges really quick).@MNLittleFinn could you wear the watch, while charging upside down on your wrist?
and that's why that's my plan. I have enough pockets, I'll plug it in and keep on going.0 -
Just be sure to use a watch face that shows the battery level and keep an eye on it. It may also give a warning when it gets low, although I haven't had the chance to let it go down that far yet. And you've already seen how fast the thing charges. Mine went from 56% to 80% just from plugging it into my computer every time I needed to side-load that app I wrote...I probably side-loaded it about 10-15 times in total, and each time it was plugged in for about thirty seconds (roughly); for comparison, my older 235 seemed to gain 1% for every minute it was plugged in.PastorVincent wrote: »So I have had this Garmin 935 for 6 days now. It arrived with 82% charge. I have used it on 4 runs (all around 90 mins give or take) with GPS+HR tracking on. I only plugged it in very briefly to update its software. I have even been using the sleep tracking just to see what it is (though I still do not see the point.)
This morning battery is at 26%. I can see this being a problem for me. With the AppleWatch I put it on the charger ever night (it could go 2 days on one charge with my normal use) That was easy to remember. With the Garmin needing at most weekly charging, I can easily see how I will forget and end up with the watch at 5% or something when I am ready to go run.0 -
Just be sure to use a watch face that shows the battery level and keep an eye on it. It may also give a warning when it gets low, although I haven't had the chance to let it go down that far yet. And you've already seen how fast the thing charges. Mine went from 56% to 80% just from plugging it into my computer every time I needed to side-load that app I wrote...I probably side-loaded it about 10-15 times in total, and each time it was plugged in for about thirty seconds (roughly); for comparison, my older 235 seemed to gain 1% for every minute it was plugged in.PastorVincent wrote: »So I have had this Garmin 935 for 6 days now. It arrived with 82% charge. I have used it on 4 runs (all around 90 mins give or take) with GPS+HR tracking on. I only plugged it in very briefly to update its software. I have even been using the sleep tracking just to see what it is (though I still do not see the point.)
This morning battery is at 26%. I can see this being a problem for me. With the AppleWatch I put it on the charger ever night (it could go 2 days on one charge with my normal use) That was easy to remember. With the Garmin needing at most weekly charging, I can easily see how I will forget and end up with the watch at 5% or something when I am ready to go run.
Mine alerts at 5%0 -
Can you take one of those mini battery pack? It's like the size of a battery and plugs into a phone or USB hub thingyMNLittleFinn wrote: »it charges fast. So, new thing for you to figure out, since my brain isn't in it. Figure out a way for me to charge on the go at my April race.1 -
Is that while it's recording an activity, or in general use as well? I remember my 235 warning me at 10% while recording (higher percentage needed for the smaller battery I guess). Speaking of alerts, it also alerted me when my phone battery was low as well, which I thought was pretty nifty. I imagine the 935 does that as well, but again, I haven't had a chance to see that happen yet.MNLittleFinn wrote: »
Just be sure to use a watch face that shows the battery level and keep an eye on it. It may also give a warning when it gets low, although I haven't had the chance to let it go down that far yet. And you've already seen how fast the thing charges. Mine went from 56% to 80% just from plugging it into my computer every time I needed to side-load that app I wrote...I probably side-loaded it about 10-15 times in total, and each time it was plugged in for about thirty seconds (roughly); for comparison, my older 235 seemed to gain 1% for every minute it was plugged in.PastorVincent wrote: »So I have had this Garmin 935 for 6 days now. It arrived with 82% charge. I have used it on 4 runs (all around 90 mins give or take) with GPS+HR tracking on. I only plugged it in very briefly to update its software. I have even been using the sleep tracking just to see what it is (though I still do not see the point.)
This morning battery is at 26%. I can see this being a problem for me. With the AppleWatch I put it on the charger ever night (it could go 2 days on one charge with my normal use) That was easy to remember. With the Garmin needing at most weekly charging, I can easily see how I will forget and end up with the watch at 5% or something when I am ready to go run.
Mine alerts at 5%0 -
Is that while it's recording an activity, or in general use as well? I remember my 235 warning me at 10% while recording (higher percentage needed for the smaller battery I guess). Speaking of alerts, it also alerted me when my phone battery was low as well, which I thought was pretty nifty. I imagine the 935 does that as well, but again, I haven't had a chance to see that happen yet.MNLittleFinn wrote: »
Just be sure to use a watch face that shows the battery level and keep an eye on it. It may also give a warning when it gets low, although I haven't had the chance to let it go down that far yet. And you've already seen how fast the thing charges. Mine went from 56% to 80% just from plugging it into my computer every time I needed to side-load that app I wrote...I probably side-loaded it about 10-15 times in total, and each time it was plugged in for about thirty seconds (roughly); for comparison, my older 235 seemed to gain 1% for every minute it was plugged in.PastorVincent wrote: »So I have had this Garmin 935 for 6 days now. It arrived with 82% charge. I have used it on 4 runs (all around 90 mins give or take) with GPS+HR tracking on. I only plugged it in very briefly to update its software. I have even been using the sleep tracking just to see what it is (though I still do not see the point.)
This morning battery is at 26%. I can see this being a problem for me. With the AppleWatch I put it on the charger ever night (it could go 2 days on one charge with my normal use) That was easy to remember. With the Garmin needing at most weekly charging, I can easily see how I will forget and end up with the watch at 5% or something when I am ready to go run.
Mine alerts at 5%
935 alerts me when phone battery is low. I don't know about if it alerts that it's own battery is low during normal use, since I have mine hooked up to sync every few days and it charges some then. I might let it run out just to find out though.0 -
My goal is 50 miles for November. Looking forward to my first running challenge!4
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Not even the 1st quite yet (at least not here) and already 3 pages.. wow! My goal is to keep up with the posts here and run 75 miles. Would like for more running but between work and work travel and injuries I am fitting in where I can and taking it slow!2
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RunsOnEspresso wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »@kevaasen - THat is a cruel picture with those runners on that link running in nice warm weather. It will be NOTHING like that here in Pittsburgh.
HA - you are right - I didn't pay attention to the photo as being in Chicago can have a large number of bad and/or cold days during my planned holiday running streak. I might have to find some travel days for work to a nice location see if I can replicate .
Today had a wind chill of ~20 degrees with an actual 32 temperature. Will try to run as much as I can outside to minimize the use of my treadmill - but those bad weather days might also be my "very easy days" where I might just run a mile provided I am able to get some of the longer runs outside on the "relatively better weather days".
We don't have that problem in Phoenix.
true that. I have to seriously consider having a team meeting with my employees in AZ, CA,TX for 3 days with an early and/or late arrival for me to be there for up to 5 days.
@kevaasen - Phoenix is not far from Southern California... I think a meeting mid week in one, followed by a meeting midweek in the other would work well
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New here, running is intimidating to me. Thinking about what my goal should be if I stick around
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I'm in again! I don't really have a training plan I'm following at the moment, so I'll just aim for 150km again, like last month.
I already logged the first 4km of those
Welcome @ABabilonia @CatchMom13 @fithealthygirl @kmrob2 @lchristine1234 @Linz_W @mrsbarnett1012 @seedrah6 @shazcave746 @Vickster73 and anyone new I might have overlooked! This challenge is my favourite part of MFP. I'm sure you'll enjoy it
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I have to say, despite being a fan of the entire Apple Ecosystem, I am very much happier with the Garmin 935 than I was with AppleWatch. I will have a video review soon on my YouTube Channel so watch for that. Just need to toss this cold that is wrecking my voice first. 0
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November goal of 130 with a stretch of 150
Other activities this month:
- Ramping and then quickly tapering into the last 4 weeks of my HM training for my 2nd HM taking place in the Chicago area the Saturday after Thanksgiving.
- Read earlier in the October thread about the holiday "Streaking Challenge" that starts the day of Thanksgiving and runs through New Years Day (total of 40 days) where you run everyday for a minimum of a mile. Basically run a minimum of 4 days, normally 5 every week as it stands currently and with no set races or spring training that will not begin until January if I decide to run a full, I figure this will be something different to try and also allow me to minimize any weight gain from having an extra slice of turkey to the various calorie rich treats and drinks during Dec. If you care to join/follow: FAQ here https://www.runnersworld.com/rwrunstreak/rw-running-streak-faqs and follow me along on Strava @ https://www.strava.com/athletes/22401471
That picture cracks me up. Not the weather but just the ridiculous way they are looking at each other and not a drop of sweat. Hope there is no rock or bump on the trail in front of them. My problem the last two years has been it is too hot during my Holiday Streak in Orlando. We have had some amazing cool weather this fall so I'm hoping the weather is better this Streak.
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NYC.
My daughter runs to work on that trail. Lives in Queens and works down by Wall Street. So many times she does her long run to work and showers at work. She usually runs on the inner trail and that was on the outer trail. She texted me to say "I'm okay" and I didn't know what she meant at first. I'm headed to NYC on Friday night to watch her run marathon and will be running every day myself. Ahhh... what a crazy world. But I'm not stopping my travel/runs/cycling because of these crazy people. Going to London in April for my spring break!
11/1 - 4 miles
NYC Central Park - Abbott Dash to the Finish Line 5K - 11/4
I/ITSEC 5K in Orlando - 11/29
Daytona Beach HM - 2/4/19
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