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Dr Jason Fung - The Useless Concept of Calories
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GaleHawkins wrote: »According to the NIH, "The eating disorders anorexia nervosa, bulimia nervosa, and binge-eating disorder, and their variants, all feature serious disturbances in eating behavior and weight regulation. They are associated with a wide range of adverse psychological, physical, and social consequences. A person with an eating disorder may start out just eating smaller or larger amounts of food, but at some point, their urge to eat less or more spirals out of control. Severe distress or concern about body weight or shape, or extreme efforts to manage weight or food intake, also may characterize an eating disorder.
Eating disorders are real, treatable medical illnesses. They frequently coexist with other illnesses such as depression, substance abuse, or anxiety disorders. Other symptoms can become life-threatening if a person does not receive treatment, which is reflected by anorexia being associated with the highest mortality rate of any psychiatric disorder."
But then I would assume someone with a terminal degree would already know that and not suggest that their diet causing them health issues was an "eating disorder".
So you now agree binge-eating is an eating disorder?
There is people who chronically binge eat and then there is people with binge eating disorder, the two have similar characteristics but they are not the same thing. People with binge eating episodes can do exactly what you did, change a few things and find resolve. This is usually referred as Cognitive behavioral therapy or techniques.
CBT does not work with people who have binge eating disorder however.
You can try and do every trick in the book, even put a lock on the fridge and you will eat regardless, you eat regardless of whats in the house, you eat regardless of how full you are, you eat regardless on if you eat no carbs, high fat and moderate proteins, you eat.. and you eat... and no matter what you do.. you eat. Its controlling. Its not food specific... people might have certain foods that they binge on primarily, but when it comes down to it.. you put someone in a room with binge eating disorder with foods that they wouldn't even consider a trigger food and they will binge on those foods regardless. Again. No resolve.6 -
Can I return to the subject of donair and say that, in my opinion, the Halifax donair is criminally underrated as an iconic Canadian food item? Like, yeah yeah poutine maple syrup ketchup chips blah blah blah, Halifax donair is the most superior Canadian junk food item period.
They are not the same at all as any authentic Turkish, Middle Eastern, or even German version that I've ever heard of, but I think that's why they deserve recognition, since they are clearly a Canadian invention in their Halifax incarnation.
It is true. There is absolutely nothing like a Halifax Donair. lol0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »According to the NIH, "The eating disorders anorexia nervosa, bulimia nervosa, and binge-eating disorder, and their variants, all feature serious disturbances in eating behavior and weight regulation. They are associated with a wide range of adverse psychological, physical, and social consequences. A person with an eating disorder may start out just eating smaller or larger amounts of food, but at some point, their urge to eat less or more spirals out of control. Severe distress or concern about body weight or shape, or extreme efforts to manage weight or food intake, also may characterize an eating disorder.
Eating disorders are real, treatable medical illnesses. They frequently coexist with other illnesses such as depression, substance abuse, or anxiety disorders. Other symptoms can become life-threatening if a person does not receive treatment, which is reflected by anorexia being associated with the highest mortality rate of any psychiatric disorder."
But then I would assume someone with a terminal degree would already know that and not suggest that their diet causing them health issues was an "eating disorder".
So you now agree binge-eating is an eating disorder?
So now you're saying you had BED for 40 years?
Oh, I get it, you think overeating carbs is binge eating.19 -
diannethegeek wrote: »It's sad, but seeing the way health care providers speak on these message boards causes me to trust doctors less and less. Making up eating disorders? That's just harmful nonsense, there.
Well, to be fair to medical doctors, in this case he trained as an optometrist in the '80s or some such and never practiced, right?
"Optometrists are healthcare professionals who provide primary vision care ranging from sight testing and correction to the diagnosis, treatment, and management of vision changes. An optometrist is not a medical doctor. An optometrist receives a doctor of optometry (OD) degree after completing four years of optometry school, preceded by three years or more years of college. They are licensed to practice optometry, which primarily involves performing eye exams and vision tests, prescribing and dispensing corrective lenses, detecting certain eye abnormalities, and prescribing medications for certain eye diseases."
https://aapos.org/terms/conditions/1325 -
Can I return to the subject of donair and say that, in my opinion, the Halifax donair is criminally underrated as an iconic Canadian food item? Like, yeah yeah poutine maple syrup ketchup chips blah blah blah, Halifax donair is the most superior Canadian junk food item period.
They are not the same at all as any authentic Turkish, Middle Eastern, or even German version that I've ever heard of, but I think that's why they deserve recognition, since they are clearly a Canadian invention in their Halifax incarnation.
I haven't tried them, but I agree with the argument, that that makes them a local speciality. (And I am actually now more interested in trying them than poutine!)0 -
They open up a K.O.D express sometimes in alberta? I think. The line was massive..
http://www.metronews.ca/news/calgary/2016/03/04/halifax-famous-king-of-donair-makes-debut-in-calgary.html
i guess its not permanent yet.. but so far you can only get donairs in the maritimes. The rest of canada has to come here too lol0 -
HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »They open up a K.O.D express sometimes in alberta? I think. The line was massive..
http://www.metronews.ca/news/calgary/2016/03/04/halifax-famous-king-of-donair-makes-debut-in-calgary.html
i guess its not permanent yet.. but so far you can only get donairs in the maritimes. The rest of canada has to come here too lol
There are a lot of places in the West that do Halifax-style, but I think a lot of Easterners would argue that those aren't quite the same.
My husband loves a local greasy chain here in Alberta that has the sweet condensed milk sauce etc., and I can't really tell the difference between them and what I've had in the Maritimes, but (maybe contrary to what my earlier post would have you believe) I don't actually eat a lot of fast food so maybe I'm just not discerning enough, haha. I still think they're great and very particular to Canada.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »According to the NIH, "The eating disorders anorexia nervosa, bulimia nervosa, and binge-eating disorder, and their variants, all feature serious disturbances in eating behavior and weight regulation. They are associated with a wide range of adverse psychological, physical, and social consequences. A person with an eating disorder may start out just eating smaller or larger amounts of food, but at some point, their urge to eat less or more spirals out of control. Severe distress or concern about body weight or shape, or extreme efforts to manage weight or food intake, also may characterize an eating disorder.
Eating disorders are real, treatable medical illnesses. They frequently coexist with other illnesses such as depression, substance abuse, or anxiety disorders. Other symptoms can become life-threatening if a person does not receive treatment, which is reflected by anorexia being associated with the highest mortality rate of any psychiatric disorder."
But then I would assume someone with a terminal degree would already know that and not suggest that their diet causing them health issues was an "eating disorder".
So you now agree binge-eating is an eating disorder?
So now you're saying you had BED for 40 years?
Oh, I get it, you think overeating carbs is binge eating.
And I've not seen Gale describe any of his actual "binges" or provide context as to the volume of food, including how many carbs, how many calories were consumed. There are people who eat 80-90% carbs and are healthy (albeit crazy - ie Freelee), so what is the threshold for "over eating carbs"? Still not sure how that could possibly be described as an eating disorder, much less a clinical example of Binge Eating Disorder, something that many users here are diagnosed with and have provided very personal details about their experiences.11 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Can I return to the subject of donair and say that, in my opinion, the Halifax donair is criminally underrated as an iconic Canadian food item? Like, yeah yeah poutine maple syrup ketchup chips blah blah blah, Halifax donair is the most superior Canadian junk food item period.
They are not the same at all as any authentic Turkish, Middle Eastern, or even German version that I've ever heard of, but I think that's why they deserve recognition, since they are clearly a Canadian invention in their Halifax incarnation.
I haven't tried them, but I agree with the argument, that that makes them a local speciality. (And I am actually now more interested in trying them than poutine!)
The name "poutine" puts me off, it doesn't sound appetising at all lol
As for these kebabs you all are talking about, I think we here in Aus call them a yiros:
This is what I know as a kebab:
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I've binged, but don't have binge eating disorder because I believe changing some habits and not overrestricting on my diet (turns out that my fitbit underestimates my burns and I never realized this until recently) seems to have resolved things.
I've gone six weeks without a binge, and that's the longest I've gone without one in a year.
I've had incidents of overeating throughout my past, and they were all stress related and and were on a wide variety of foods. That issue was dealt with when I started dieting.
I never had the binge (irresistible urge to eat and eat until uncomfortably full in a very short amount of time on thousands of calories) until I got thinner and was at a point where my deficit was greater than I thought it was.
I didn't have an eating disorder, I had a problem that needed resolving.
People with binge eating disorder will eat ANYTHING. I was never to that point. My eating of foods was specific to the incidents involved. I either craved nuts, or peanut butter, or breakfast cereal, or cottage cheese. Or maybe all three in succession. It depended on my mood when the "binge" hit. From what I understand, in the true binge eating disorder, when a binge hits, it doesn't matter what the food is. They will pile it in indiscriminately, and then feel guilt and shame in the aftermath. I always reasoned with myself afterwards, I never felt the emotional side that comes with true BED.
So Gale, you can't say that just because you'd eat a whole bunch of cookies that you had binge eating disorder. You have no idea of what kind of hell people with real binge eating disorder live with.
Your remarks are ignorant (in the true sense of the word meaning lacking knowledge) and insensitive.14 -
Regarding Canadian delights, since I am a vegetarian, I am team poutine all the way, provided I could get some with gluten free gravy. Assuming the gravy could be made vegetarian.
Also? Fries are one of my favorite foods and I rarely get to eat them. Here one of the great diner foods is fries with brown gravy and they used to be a late night after drinking staple of my youth.0 -
I've had plenty of "overeating episodes", but not anything I'd call a binge. I sought out particular foods, and wouldnt just eat anything that i wasn't craving at the time just for the sake of eating.
I realised i was seeking out that full/content/stuffed feeling with comfort foods, and once i achieved that i was happy. My biggest problem is willpower coupled with i have just had ENOUGH of eating in a deficit and worrying about every calorie that goes in my mouth, and i simply rebel!5 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »According to the NIH, "The eating disorders anorexia nervosa, bulimia nervosa, and binge-eating disorder, and their variants, all feature serious disturbances in eating behavior and weight regulation. They are associated with a wide range of adverse psychological, physical, and social consequences. A person with an eating disorder may start out just eating smaller or larger amounts of food, but at some point, their urge to eat less or more spirals out of control. Severe distress or concern about body weight or shape, or extreme efforts to manage weight or food intake, also may characterize an eating disorder.
Eating disorders are real, treatable medical illnesses. They frequently coexist with other illnesses such as depression, substance abuse, or anxiety disorders. Other symptoms can become life-threatening if a person does not receive treatment, which is reflected by anorexia being associated with the highest mortality rate of any psychiatric disorder."
But then I would assume someone with a terminal degree would already know that and not suggest that their diet causing them health issues was an "eating disorder".
So you now agree binge-eating is an eating disorder?
So now you're saying you had BED for 40 years?
Oh, I get it, you think overeating carbs is binge eating.
I suspect he's being deliberately obtuse and throwing rhetorical smoke bombs to hide as he moves the goalposts yet again.14 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »According to the NIH, "The eating disorders anorexia nervosa, bulimia nervosa, and binge-eating disorder, and their variants, all feature serious disturbances in eating behavior and weight regulation. They are associated with a wide range of adverse psychological, physical, and social consequences. A person with an eating disorder may start out just eating smaller or larger amounts of food, but at some point, their urge to eat less or more spirals out of control. Severe distress or concern about body weight or shape, or extreme efforts to manage weight or food intake, also may characterize an eating disorder.
Eating disorders are real, treatable medical illnesses. They frequently coexist with other illnesses such as depression, substance abuse, or anxiety disorders. Other symptoms can become life-threatening if a person does not receive treatment, which is reflected by anorexia being associated with the highest mortality rate of any psychiatric disorder."
But then I would assume someone with a terminal degree would already know that and not suggest that their diet causing them health issues was an "eating disorder".
So you now agree binge-eating is an eating disorder?
So now you're saying you had BED for 40 years?
Oh, I get it, you think overeating carbs is binge eating.
I suspect he's being deliberately obtuse and throwing rhetorical smoke bombs to hide as he moves the goalposts yet again.
What he's being is deliberately insensitive and offensive. This has happened numerous times, on numerous threads, and he has been called out for it each and every time by people with eating disorders as to how insensitive and dismissive it is. The fact that he keeps doing it suggests that it is purely to get a reaction.18 -
Christine_72 wrote: »
The name "poutine" puts me off, it doesn't sound appetising at all lol
As for these kebabs you all are talking about, I think we here in Aus call them a yiros:
This is what I know as a kebab:
Interesting. Maybe it's one of those things that depends where you live in Aus, Christine. I've grown up knowing them both as kebabs, although if I'm distinguishing between the two I'll say "doner kebab" or "shish kebab". Years ago, there was some big fuss about food poisoning risks with doner kebabs, and the association has unfortunately stuck in my mind. They're very popular though.0 -
@JoLightensUp I'm in S.A, the forgotten state
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Regarding Canadian delights, since I am a vegetarian, I am team poutine all the way, provided I could get some with gluten free gravy. Assuming the gravy could be made vegetarian.
Also? Fries are one of my favorite foods and I rarely get to eat them. Here one of the great diner foods is fries with brown gravy and they used to be a late night after drinking staple of my youth.
Chips and gravy is a thing here too, also drunk food. And chips and curry sauce.JoLightensUp wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »
The name "poutine" puts me off, it doesn't sound appetising at all lol
As for these kebabs you all are talking about, I think we here in Aus call them a yiros:
This is what I know as a kebab:
Interesting. Maybe it's one of those things that depends where you live in Aus, Christine. I've grown up knowing them both as kebabs, although if I'm distinguishing between the two I'll say "doner kebab" or "shish kebab". Years ago, there was some big fuss about food poisoning risks with doner kebabs, and the association has unfortunately stuck in my mind. They're very popular though.
This applies for me too. Although maybe you're in the UK and that's why (I don't remember if you've mentioned where you are and I haven't profile stalked).0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »@JoLightensUp I'm in S.A, the forgotten state
Ha ha I'm from Sydney but now live in Victoria - four seasons in one day.
Yiros seems like the Greek version of doner kebab. 0 -
JoLightensUp wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »@JoLightensUp I'm in S.A, the forgotten state
Ha ha I'm from Sydney but now live in Victoria - four seasons in one day. Yiros seems like the Greek version of doner kebab.
You answered my question before seeing my reply! Yiros/gyros are Greek, kebabs Turkish. I'd call the foods close cousins.2 -
Hey @Christine_72 I think we've come up with ideas for new car number plate slogans for our states! SA - The Forgotten State, and Vic - The Overcast State. Too negative, maybe? I think Tassie might fight you for the forgotten state title too lol. 1
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