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Dr Jason Fung - The Useless Concept of Calories
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HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »24 hour donair webcam from Nova Scotia
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/donair-webcam-livestream-1.4400167
Hahaha omg. I'm gonna click this when I get home
It's good for meditation. You get to watch the meat go round and round on the skewer while cooking, then presumably a pair of hands comes out of nowhere, removes the finished meat and puts a new roll on the skewer. It's kind of hypnotic.
oh haha. neat. the one on there right now is pretty much gone.0 -
VintageFeline wrote: »This is what ours look like. I have it with garlic sauce, well I say I have it, I don't remember when I last ate one. You can get other sauces though.
Pretty much like the German one.
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Hmmmm now I want a kebab...0
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I don't think we have those here in the States. If we do, we never had them anywhere near where I grew up.
Gyros? We have those.0 -
And we got beef (calf to be precise) and chicken most commonly.0
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I don't think we have those here in the States. If we do, we never had them anywhere near where I grew up.
Gyros? We have those.
I'm in the US and there is a Turkish-style doner place by my house. But it's relatively new and hipsterish, I have no idea how authentic it is (my husband really likes them though).0 -
singingflutelady wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »Thank you wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doner_kebab
Döner in Turkey
There are many variations of döner in Turkey:
Porsiyon ("portion", döner on a slightly heated plate, sometimes with a few grilled peppers or broiled tomatoes on the side)[19][20]
Pilavüstü ("over rice", döner served on a base of pilaf rice)[21][22]
İskender (specialty of Bursa, served in an oblong plate, atop a base of thin pita, with a dash of pepper or tomato sauce and boiling fresh butter)[23][24] "Kebapçı İskender" is trademarked by Yavuz İskenderoğlu, whose family still runs the restaurant in Bursa.[25][26][27]
Dürüm, wrapped in a thin lavaş that is sometimes also grilled after being rolled, to make it crispier. It has two main variants in mainland Turkey:[28]
Soslu dürüm or SSK (sos, soğan, kaşar; in English: sauce, onion, cheese) (specialty of Ankara, contains İskender kebap sauce, making it juicier)
Kaşarlı dürüm döner (speciality of Istanbul, grated kaşar cheese is put in the wrap which is then toasted to melt the cheese and crisp up the lavaş)[29]
Tombik or gobit (literally "the chubby", döner in a bun-shaped pita, with crispy crust and soft inside, and generally less meat than a dürüm)[30]
Ekmekarası ("between bread", generally the most filling version, consisting of a whole (or a half) regular Turkish bread filled with döner)[31]
None of those really sound like a donair though.. the recipe was changed quite a bit i guess.
I love the donairs from Mezza. I also love their chicken shawarmas even better.
I havent had one from Mezza, but when i worked at scotia square the mezza there always gave me tons of pizza to take home when they closed.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I don't think we have those here in the States. If we do, we never had them anywhere near where I grew up.
Gyros? We have those.
I'm in the US and there is a Turkish-style doner place by my house. But it's relatively new and hipsterish, I have no idea how authentic it is (my husband really likes them though).
There could be some in the Philly area now for all I know. I don't exactly stay on top of what's new and exciting in the dining out world given all my food issues.
I just never came across one when I still ate meat.0 -
Donairs are typically sold at pretty much every pizza place here standard.. Since they typically aren't really a specialty food since the current form of them originated here.0
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Similar here, most kebab shops will do pizza too and there's at least 5 every mile. We love a kebab. Quality obviously varies.1
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I don't think we have those here in the States. If we do, we never had them anywhere near where I grew up.
Gyros? We have those.
I'm in the US and there is a Turkish-style doner place by my house. But it's relatively new and hipsterish, I have no idea how authentic it is (my husband really likes them though).
There could be some in the Philly area now for all I know. I don't exactly stay on top of what's new and exciting in the dining out world given all my food issues.
I just never came across one when I still ate meat.
Yeah, if this wasn't in my neighborhood I think I would be completely unaware of it.0 -
VintageFeline wrote: »Similar here, most kebab shops will do pizza too and there's at least 5 every mile. We love a kebab. Quality obviously varies.
Its too bad you can't come here and try these ones. I guess there was a huge hubub about a WWE star coming to halifax for a donair lol..0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Can someone explain to me how craving the taste and texture of a delicious food is an emotional craving? lol
Can someone explain how it isn't?
Craving a flavor/tactile experience is just that, A craving. It's not hunger. It feels like hunger. It acts like hunger, but it's not.
Yeah, but that's not emotion. It doesn't make me want to cry or hug my mother...
There are other emotions.
Which one correlates with me being in the mood for a donut?0 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Can someone explain to me how craving the taste and texture of a delicious food is an emotional craving? lol
Can someone explain how it isn't?
Craving a flavor/tactile experience is just that, A craving. It's not hunger. It feels like hunger. It acts like hunger, but it's not.
Yeah, but that's not emotion. It doesn't make me want to cry or hug my mother...
There are other emotions.
Which one correlates with me being in the mood for a donut?
probably anger when some rat *kitten* cut you off while driving lolol.0 -
VintageFeline wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »I dunno... maybe i am just a weirdo.. but.. i can make my own donairs..
(Cause i know people are gonna be like.. what the *kitten* is a donair?!"
But despite that.. eventually i will get a craving for one from a take out place.. even with substitutes available.
i know there are people out there who can just not substitute and just go without.. but i feel like the amount who can compared to the amount of keto enthusiasts claiming as such just don't add up..
you know eventually i am going to look like one of those crazy conspiracy theorists who instead of ranting about a flat earth or the moon landing not happening, I will be jibber jabbering about keto and cravings lol
That's a Dürüm though!
Probably in its original country of origin. However when it came to Halifax the recipe was changed and it became a donair. It's officially our official food of halifax.
We call 'em donner kebabs here in the UK. Drunk food. If you're really all about the dirty drunk food you get just the donner meat on chips (fries).stevencloser wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »I dunno... maybe i am just a weirdo.. but.. i can make my own donairs..
(Cause i know people are gonna be like.. what the *kitten* is a donair?!"
But despite that.. eventually i will get a craving for one from a take out place.. even with substitutes available.
i know there are people out there who can just not substitute and just go without.. but i feel like the amount who can compared to the amount of keto enthusiasts claiming as such just don't add up..
you know eventually i am going to look like one of those crazy conspiracy theorists who instead of ranting about a flat earth or the moon landing not happening, I will be jibber jabbering about keto and cravings lol
That's a Dürüm though!
Probably in its original country of origin. However when it came to Halifax the recipe was changed and it became a donair. It's officially our official food of halifax.
Okay, it's got less vegetables and some sort of sweet cocktail sauce in a pita.
@VintageFeline -- Do they use the same kind of sauce tho? Its a thick creamy white sauce made with sweetened condensed milk, vinegar and garlic?
@stevencloser -- Yeah the Donairs here are made with ground beef and a variety of spices, its spliced and then added on top of pita bread, onions and tomatoes (optional) and then the donair sauce which is what i mentioned above with the sweetened condensed milk, Etc
Beef? Your big meat on a stick turning in front of a grill is beef? Here it's lamb. And yep, you can have garlic sauce though there's no condensed milk involved as far as I'm aware.
Yes ma'am, Sounds like you guys have Gyros?
I suppose. Not Greek though, always in the Turkish kebab shops so donner kebab.
Nope gyros is something different to dinner kebab
We have a Greek takeaway near me, soooooo good, has a very distinct sauce
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I am getting the biggest kick thinking how horrified Fung would be at the turn this conversation has taken.24
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I am getting the biggest kick thinking how horrified Fung would be at the turn this conversation has taken.
Lol.. a large donair.. on average i would say is somewhere between 1000-1100 calories.. given the pound of medium ground beef etc thats in them... since calories are a useless concept, maybe i should go on a donair diet and not count those calories at all.6 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I am getting the biggest kick thinking how horrified Fung would be at the turn this conversation has taken.
I'm enjoying the notification popup where the first line more often than not states "Dr Jason Fung - The Useless" before moving on to the next line.9 -
HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I am getting the biggest kick thinking how horrified Fung would be at the turn this conversation has taken.
Lol.. a large donair.. on average i would say is somewhere between 1000-1100 calories.. given the pound of medium ground beef etc thats in them... since calories are a useless concept, maybe i should go on a donair diet and not count those calories at all.
Sure, just don't eat the wrap - carbs are
Mwa-hah-hah-ha. 0 -
At this point talking to people on this forum is a complete utter waste of time. He clearly states that you need a calorie deficit and a hormonal balance to lose weight. Of course you must be blinded with rage, skimmed all the good stuff and taken something out of context. I've been reading his stuff for weeks and he says that purist Cico folk are angry people! How right he is! So you think that the human body is some sort of calculator? We must have all these hormones for NO reason. They're the ones that decide whether the calories are going to be used as energy or stored as fat. Okay, I'm off. Have a good night people!
After looking at the website, he comes across someone trying to make a buck off people desperate to lose weight. Sorry.
Copy right from the ad ... "Revolutionary 45-Second "Intelligent Movement"
Strips off Stubborn Fat and Tones Flabby Muscle
Non-stop for 48-72 Hours...While You're Relaxing!
PLUS: Unleashes a Cocktail of Youth-Enhancing Hormones Making You Look Younger, Feel Better, Relieving Pain And Bringing Back Your Energy, Focus and Drive!"
If he is legit, he's not coming across that way to me at all.
And I have a metabolic disorder. And I lost weight by having a calorie deficit. And I eat carbs.
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BOOM!! Why are you wasting our time?3
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At this point talking to people on this forum is a complete utter waste of time. He clearly states that you need a calorie deficit and a hormonal balance to lose weight. Of course you must be blinded with rage, skimmed all the good stuff and taken something out of context. I've been reading his stuff for weeks and he says that purist Cico folk are angry people! How right he is! So you think that the human body is some sort of calculator? We must have all these hormones for NO reason. They're the ones that decide whether the calories are going to be used as energy or stored as fat. Okay, I'm off. Have a good night people!
After looking at the website, he comes across someone trying to make a buck off people desperate to lose weight. Sorry.
Copy right from the ad ... "Revolutionary 45-Second "Intelligent Movement"
Strips off Stubborn Fat and Tones Flabby Muscle
Non-stop for 48-72 Hours...While You're Relaxing!
PLUS: Unleashes a Cocktail of Youth-Enhancing Hormones Making You Look Younger, Feel Better, Relieving Pain And Bringing Back Your Energy, Focus and Drive!"
If he is legit, he's not coming across that way to me at all. And I have a metabolic disorder. And I lost weight by having a calorie deficit. And I eat carbs.
It's all nonsense but "flabby muscle"? What the.0 -
HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »Is there a reason why an emotional craving is bad? Should I care that I want that bread? I mean again.. if I have the calories for it I can eat that bread no problem. I have known myself 31 years and at this point I know what I enjoy.. i know what foods usually cycle through for me. It would seem silly to me for me to go low carb or keto simply to what? Not have an emotional craving? Avoid a food that isn't bad? You know what I worked on once I got medicated for my BED? Eating in a way that doesn't result in me just going too long without something and maintaining control through moderate amounts and rotations of foods. The medications stop my brain from not being able to stop and put me in a place where I can now choose and control what I do with food. And like others it was not easy to not say screw it and eat an entire package of 4 oh Henry bars but I worked hard at it so that I don't have to go to extremes to not have cravings even emotional ones.
Emotional cravings aren't necessarily a negative an can be quite comforting/therapeutic. They can be a problem when used as a way to avoid dealing with something else (commonly called "eating your feelings") or when they cause a person to overeat to the point of being unhealthy--in the short term, eating until over-stuffed (some people gorge themselves to the point of being sick) and long term, causing unhealthy weight gain.
I make my Dad's potato and leek soup when I miss him. When I make it, I remember those days in the kitchen with him. I eat a bowl or two and portion the rest out and put it in the freezer. If I binge and eat it all/most at once, that would signal a problem as I've gone beyond a little comfort and into a whole 'nother territory.3 -
Well I guess this explains the incongruity of walking into a donair shop and having a "halifax" donair as an option!0
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I'm having trouble getting past the "pound of medium ground beef"...0
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VintageFeline wrote: »
At this point talking to people on this forum is a complete utter waste of time. He clearly states that you need a calorie deficit and a hormonal balance to lose weight. Of course you must be blinded with rage, skimmed all the good stuff and taken something out of context. I've been reading his stuff for weeks and he says that purist Cico folk are angry people! How right he is! So you think that the human body is some sort of calculator? We must have all these hormones for NO reason. They're the ones that decide whether the calories are going to be used as energy or stored as fat. Okay, I'm off. Have a good night people!
After looking at the website, he comes across someone trying to make a buck off people desperate to lose weight. Sorry.
Copy right from the ad ... "Revolutionary 45-Second "Intelligent Movement"
Strips off Stubborn Fat and Tones Flabby Muscle
Non-stop for 48-72 Hours...While You're Relaxing!
PLUS: Unleashes a Cocktail of Youth-Enhancing Hormones Making You Look Younger, Feel Better, Relieving Pain And Bringing Back Your Energy, Focus and Drive!"
If he is legit, he's not coming across that way to me at all. And I have a metabolic disorder. And I lost weight by having a calorie deficit. And I eat carbs.
It's all nonsense but "flabby muscle"? What the.
So thats whats wrong with me!
Im not fat i just have flabby muscles8 -
angelstarr22 wrote: »BOOM!! Why are you wasting our time?
We have moved on to a better topic. Now i must figure out this donair thing and see if we have it around my house2 -
angelstarr22 wrote: »BOOM!! Why are you wasting our time?
We have moved on to a better topic. Now i must figure out this donair thing and see if we have it around my house
The best bit is when the damp salad, sauce and grease from the meat (yummo!) make the bread of choice fall apart. Then you just go full savage and shovel it in any way you can.5 -
Just when i thought i couldnt take this thread and less seriously, Donairs save the day!1
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I didn't know we had doner kebab (looked like gyros to me too), and we have a place called Mezza that has chicken shwarma and various other pitas, but none called doner kebab, but I checked and it seems we do. Maybe have to taste test.
This place looks potentially cool: https://www.donermen.com/ (doner kebab, German style)
Various others too: https://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=Doner+Kebab&find_loc=Chicago,+IL1
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