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Pizza Is a Healthier Breakfast Than Most Cereals
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billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »I’d argue against that and in favor of cereal being in all around healthier choice for mornings or afternoons. What do you think pizza is? I’m not being funny here. Really think about it. You have meat, tomato sauce and bread that is most often not whole wheat. The carbs from the bread alone cause a big insulin spike because carbs convert to sugar. Yeah.. the thing you said was bad about cereal is actually in pizza. Sugar is a tricky beast that you must out smart. It’s in the tomato sauce too btw. Here’s what you can do. Adding cinnamon to cereal mimics insulin in the body and helps lower the odds of a spike from the sugar. I don't recommend sugary cereals but at least with cereal you have options. Ever eaten whole wheat pizza? Me either.
Now the meat is a totally different avenue. If you eat meat for breakfast your body will need quite a few hours to digest that. Plan on eating soon after? That may not be a big concern to some but cereal has more flexibility. Chose bran cereals or whole wheat types for the fiber value. OVERALL. Cereal is the better choice to ensure you start and end your day right, fortifying your body with nutrients.
You do realise cereal is almost exclusively carbs right?
Wait, I missed the cinnamon nonsense. Well, almost all of it is nonsense but the cinnamon one is a new level of nonsense.
Why do you assume carbs are bad? I live an active lifestyle and enjoy carbs because they burn off as energy. The only bad carbs are simple carbs. Eating healthy grain cereals are complex carbs. There isn’t a negative draw to slow released energy or carbs unless you don't use them.
Explain to me why cinnamon being used to slow glucose absorption is nonsense?
Why are simple carbs bad?
Correction** simple carbs are bad if you are not being active. They are directly linked to visceral fat.
Studies, please.
Sure, check out this study done on whole grains vs refined grains. Complex carb vs simple carb.
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/92/5/1165/4597531
All grains are complex carbs.
Fruit calories come from simple carbs (mostly).
Complex carb = starch.
Simple carb = fruit.
Potato, white bread, oats, beans, flour, french fries (although these include fat too) = complex.
Fruit, dairy, table sugar, pop = simple.
You can't generalize, some are nutrient dense foods, some are not.4 -
billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »I’d argue against that and in favor of cereal being in all around healthier choice for mornings or afternoons. What do you think pizza is? I’m not being funny here. Really think about it. You have meat, tomato sauce and bread that is most often not whole wheat. The carbs from the bread alone cause a big insulin spike because carbs convert to sugar. Yeah.. the thing you said was bad about cereal is actually in pizza. Sugar is a tricky beast that you must out smart. It’s in the tomato sauce too btw. Here’s what you can do. Adding cinnamon to cereal mimics insulin in the body and helps lower the odds of a spike from the sugar. I don't recommend sugary cereals but at least with cereal you have options. Ever eaten whole wheat pizza? Me either.
Now the meat is a totally different avenue. If you eat meat for breakfast your body will need quite a few hours to digest that. Plan on eating soon after? That may not be a big concern to some but cereal has more flexibility. Chose bran cereals or whole wheat types for the fiber value. OVERALL. Cereal is the better choice to ensure you start and end your day right, fortifying your body with nutrients.
You do realise cereal is almost exclusively carbs right?
Wait, I missed the cinnamon nonsense. Well, almost all of it is nonsense but the cinnamon one is a new level of nonsense.
Why do you assume carbs are bad? I live an active lifestyle and enjoy carbs because they burn off as energy. The only bad carbs are simple carbs. Eating healthy grain cereals are complex carbs. There isn’t a negative draw to slow released energy or carbs unless you don't use them.
Explain to me why cinnamon being used to slow glucose absorption is nonsense?
Why are simple carbs bad?
Correction** simple carbs are bad if you are not being active. They are directly linked to visceral fat.
Studies, please.
Sure, check out this study done on whole grains vs refined grains. Complex carb vs simple carb.
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/92/5/1165/4597531
First line:
Background: Observational studies have linked higher intakes of whole grains to lower abdominal adiposity; however, the association between whole- and refined-grain intake and body fat compartments has yet to be reported.
So did you only read the first line because that was to make a statement about what is currently known. Reading further shows the results of an experiment that links the two and is what is leading into new discovery on simple carbs.
It concluded with correlation not causation, it was entirely self reported with the participants asked to answer questions based on their previous years consumption. It's not even close to determinative.
I feel like you’d make a good lawyer. Okay, there is a correlation between simple carbs and visceral fat. I think we can agree being inactive and eating lots of simple carbs would be a bad thing though.
There's also a correlation between the consumption of beef and the number of deaths by lightning strikes:
And between the cost of potato chips and the number of people who died by falling out of their wheelchairs:
And between the per capita consumption of cheese and the total revenue generated by golf courses:
See, correlation is kind of a funny thing. Sometimes it means something, sometimes it doesn't mean anything at all.
I see a lot of fat people exercising. Therefore, by correlation, exercise makes you fat. Do we agree on that? Or is the correlation maybe spurious and/or nuanced, and maybe there are other factors which need to be examined and taken into consideration?
I see what you did there but it doesn’t make sense. Usually two joining subjects like carbs and fat are relevant for an obvious reason.8 -
billym2018 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »I’d argue against that and in favor of cereal being in all around healthier choice for mornings or afternoons. What do you think pizza is? I’m not being funny here. Really think about it. You have meat, tomato sauce and bread that is most often not whole wheat. The carbs from the bread alone cause a big insulin spike because carbs convert to sugar. Yeah.. the thing you said was bad about cereal is actually in pizza. Sugar is a tricky beast that you must out smart. It’s in the tomato sauce too btw. Here’s what you can do. Adding cinnamon to cereal mimics insulin in the body and helps lower the odds of a spike from the sugar. I don't recommend sugary cereals but at least with cereal you have options. Ever eaten whole wheat pizza? Me either.
Now the meat is a totally different avenue. If you eat meat for breakfast your body will need quite a few hours to digest that. Plan on eating soon after? That may not be a big concern to some but cereal has more flexibility. Chose bran cereals or whole wheat types for the fiber value. OVERALL. Cereal is the better choice to ensure you start and end your day right, fortifying your body with nutrients.
You do realise cereal is almost exclusively carbs right?
Wait, I missed the cinnamon nonsense. Well, almost all of it is nonsense but the cinnamon one is a new level of nonsense.
Why do you assume carbs are bad? I live an active lifestyle and enjoy carbs because they burn off as energy. The only bad carbs are simple carbs. Eating healthy grain cereals are complex carbs. There isn’t a negative draw to slow released energy or carbs unless you don't use them.
Explain to me why cinnamon being used to slow glucose absorption is nonsense?
Why are simple carbs bad?
Correction** simple carbs are bad if you are not being active. They are directly linked to visceral fat.
Studies, please.
Sure, check out this study done on whole grains vs refined grains. Complex carb vs simple carb.
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/92/5/1165/4597531
First line:
Background: Observational studies have linked higher intakes of whole grains to lower abdominal adiposity; however, the association between whole- and refined-grain intake and body fat compartments has yet to be reported.
So did you only read the first line because that was to make a statement about what is currently known. Reading further shows the results of an experiment that links the two and is what is leading into new discovery on simple carbs.
It concluded with correlation not causation, it was entirely self reported with the participants asked to answer questions based on their previous years consumption. It's not even close to determinative.
I feel like you’d make a good lawyer. Okay, there is a correlation between simple carbs and visceral fat. I think we can agree being inactive and eating lots of simple carbs would be a bad thing though.
There's also a correlation between the consumption of beef and the number of deaths by lightning strikes:
And between the cost of potato chips and the number of people who died by falling out of their wheelchairs:
And between the per capita consumption of cheese and the total revenue generated by golf courses:
See, correlation is kind of a funny thing. Sometimes it means something, sometimes it doesn't mean anything at all.
I see a lot of fat people exercising. Therefore, by correlation, exercise makes you fat. Do we agree on that? Or is the correlation maybe spurious and/or nuanced, and maybe there are other factors which need to be examined and taken into consideration?
I see what you did there but it doesn’t make sense. Usually two joining subjects like carbs and fat are relevant for an obvious reason.
Not quite sure where you're taking us with that one, but I'm sure it'll be good.1 -
billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »I’d argue against that and in favor of cereal being in all around healthier choice for mornings or afternoons. What do you think pizza is? I’m not being funny here. Really think about it. You have meat, tomato sauce and bread that is most often not whole wheat. The carbs from the bread alone cause a big insulin spike because carbs convert to sugar. Yeah.. the thing you said was bad about cereal is actually in pizza. Sugar is a tricky beast that you must out smart. It’s in the tomato sauce too btw. Here’s what you can do. Adding cinnamon to cereal mimics insulin in the body and helps lower the odds of a spike from the sugar. I don't recommend sugary cereals but at least with cereal you have options. Ever eaten whole wheat pizza? Me either.
Now the meat is a totally different avenue. If you eat meat for breakfast your body will need quite a few hours to digest that. Plan on eating soon after? That may not be a big concern to some but cereal has more flexibility. Chose bran cereals or whole wheat types for the fiber value. OVERALL. Cereal is the better choice to ensure you start and end your day right, fortifying your body with nutrients.
You do realise cereal is almost exclusively carbs right?
Wait, I missed the cinnamon nonsense. Well, almost all of it is nonsense but the cinnamon one is a new level of nonsense.
Why do you assume carbs are bad? I live an active lifestyle and enjoy carbs because they burn off as energy. The only bad carbs are simple carbs. Eating healthy grain cereals are complex carbs. There isn’t a negative draw to slow released energy or carbs unless you don't use them.
Explain to me why cinnamon being used to slow glucose absorption is nonsense?
Why are simple carbs bad?
Correction** simple carbs are bad if you are not being active. They are directly linked to visceral fat.
Studies, please.
Sure, check out this study done on whole grains vs refined grains. Complex carb vs simple carb.
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/92/5/1165/4597531
First line:
Background: Observational studies have linked higher intakes of whole grains to lower abdominal adiposity; however, the association between whole- and refined-grain intake and body fat compartments has yet to be reported.
So did you only read the first line because that was to make a statement about what is currently known. Reading further shows the results of an experiment that links the two and is what is leading into new discovery on simple carbs.
It concluded with correlation not causation, it was entirely self reported with the participants asked to answer questions based on their previous years consumption. It's not even close to determinative.
I feel like you’d make a good lawyer. Okay, there is a correlation between simple carbs and visceral fat. I think we can agree being inactive and eating lots of simple carbs calories would be a bad thing though.
Fixed it for you.
Answer me this: What are complex carbs ultimately digested/metabolized into in the body?
You realize that now we are talking about molecules and that a calorie is a unit of measure right?5 -
billym2018 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »I’d argue against that and in favor of cereal being in all around healthier choice for mornings or afternoons. What do you think pizza is? I’m not being funny here. Really think about it. You have meat, tomato sauce and bread that is most often not whole wheat. The carbs from the bread alone cause a big insulin spike because carbs convert to sugar. Yeah.. the thing you said was bad about cereal is actually in pizza. Sugar is a tricky beast that you must out smart. It’s in the tomato sauce too btw. Here’s what you can do. Adding cinnamon to cereal mimics insulin in the body and helps lower the odds of a spike from the sugar. I don't recommend sugary cereals but at least with cereal you have options. Ever eaten whole wheat pizza? Me either.
Now the meat is a totally different avenue. If you eat meat for breakfast your body will need quite a few hours to digest that. Plan on eating soon after? That may not be a big concern to some but cereal has more flexibility. Chose bran cereals or whole wheat types for the fiber value. OVERALL. Cereal is the better choice to ensure you start and end your day right, fortifying your body with nutrients.
You do realise cereal is almost exclusively carbs right?
Wait, I missed the cinnamon nonsense. Well, almost all of it is nonsense but the cinnamon one is a new level of nonsense.
Why do you assume carbs are bad? I live an active lifestyle and enjoy carbs because they burn off as energy. The only bad carbs are simple carbs. Eating healthy grain cereals are complex carbs. There isn’t a negative draw to slow released energy or carbs unless you don't use them.
Explain to me why cinnamon being used to slow glucose absorption is nonsense?
Why are simple carbs bad?
Correction** simple carbs are bad if you are not being active. They are directly linked to visceral fat.
Studies, please.
Sure, check out this study done on whole grains vs refined grains. Complex carb vs simple carb.
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/92/5/1165/4597531
First line:
Background: Observational studies have linked higher intakes of whole grains to lower abdominal adiposity; however, the association between whole- and refined-grain intake and body fat compartments has yet to be reported.
So did you only read the first line because that was to make a statement about what is currently known. Reading further shows the results of an experiment that links the two and is what is leading into new discovery on simple carbs.
It concluded with correlation not causation, it was entirely self reported with the participants asked to answer questions based on their previous years consumption. It's not even close to determinative.
I feel like you’d make a good lawyer. Okay, there is a correlation between simple carbs and visceral fat. I think we can agree being inactive and eating lots of simple carbs calories would be a bad thing though.
Fixed it for you.
Answer me this: What are complex carbs ultimately digested/metabolized into in the body?
You realize that now we are talking about molecules and that a calorie is a unit of measure right?
Not quite sure where you're taking us with that one either, but I'm sure it'll be good.
The goalposts were just right here, now I kinda see them waaaaayyyyyy over there across the field.1 -
billym2018 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »I’d argue against that and in favor of cereal being in all around healthier choice for mornings or afternoons. What do you think pizza is? I’m not being funny here. Really think about it. You have meat, tomato sauce and bread that is most often not whole wheat. The carbs from the bread alone cause a big insulin spike because carbs convert to sugar. Yeah.. the thing you said was bad about cereal is actually in pizza. Sugar is a tricky beast that you must out smart. It’s in the tomato sauce too btw. Here’s what you can do. Adding cinnamon to cereal mimics insulin in the body and helps lower the odds of a spike from the sugar. I don't recommend sugary cereals but at least with cereal you have options. Ever eaten whole wheat pizza? Me either.
Now the meat is a totally different avenue. If you eat meat for breakfast your body will need quite a few hours to digest that. Plan on eating soon after? That may not be a big concern to some but cereal has more flexibility. Chose bran cereals or whole wheat types for the fiber value. OVERALL. Cereal is the better choice to ensure you start and end your day right, fortifying your body with nutrients.
You do realise cereal is almost exclusively carbs right?
Wait, I missed the cinnamon nonsense. Well, almost all of it is nonsense but the cinnamon one is a new level of nonsense.
Why do you assume carbs are bad? I live an active lifestyle and enjoy carbs because they burn off as energy. The only bad carbs are simple carbs. Eating healthy grain cereals are complex carbs. There isn’t a negative draw to slow released energy or carbs unless you don't use them.
Explain to me why cinnamon being used to slow glucose absorption is nonsense?
Why are simple carbs bad?
Correction** simple carbs are bad if you are not being active. They are directly linked to visceral fat.
Studies, please.
Sure, check out this study done on whole grains vs refined grains. Complex carb vs simple carb.
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/92/5/1165/4597531
First line:
Background: Observational studies have linked higher intakes of whole grains to lower abdominal adiposity; however, the association between whole- and refined-grain intake and body fat compartments has yet to be reported.
So did you only read the first line because that was to make a statement about what is currently known. Reading further shows the results of an experiment that links the two and is what is leading into new discovery on simple carbs.
It concluded with correlation not causation, it was entirely self reported with the participants asked to answer questions based on their previous years consumption. It's not even close to determinative.
I feel like you’d make a good lawyer. Okay, there is a correlation between simple carbs and visceral fat. I think we can agree being inactive and eating lots of simple carbs would be a bad thing though.
There's also a correlation between the consumption of beef and the number of deaths by lightning strikes:
And between the cost of potato chips and the number of people who died by falling out of their wheelchairs:
And between the per capita consumption of cheese and the total revenue generated by golf courses:
See, correlation is kind of a funny thing. Sometimes it means something, sometimes it doesn't mean anything at all.
I see a lot of fat people exercising. Therefore, by correlation, exercise makes you fat. Do we agree on that? Or is the correlation maybe spurious and/or nuanced, and maybe there are other factors which need to be examined and taken into consideration?
I see what you did there but it doesn’t make sense. Usually two joining subjects like carbs and fat are relevant for an obvious reason.
Not quite sure where you're taking us with that one, but I'm sure it'll be good.
High school chemistry sir. Sugar is converted to fat. You already made the point of carbs being forms of sugar.
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billym2018 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »I’d argue against that and in favor of cereal being in all around healthier choice for mornings or afternoons. What do you think pizza is? I’m not being funny here. Really think about it. You have meat, tomato sauce and bread that is most often not whole wheat. The carbs from the bread alone cause a big insulin spike because carbs convert to sugar. Yeah.. the thing you said was bad about cereal is actually in pizza. Sugar is a tricky beast that you must out smart. It’s in the tomato sauce too btw. Here’s what you can do. Adding cinnamon to cereal mimics insulin in the body and helps lower the odds of a spike from the sugar. I don't recommend sugary cereals but at least with cereal you have options. Ever eaten whole wheat pizza? Me either.
Now the meat is a totally different avenue. If you eat meat for breakfast your body will need quite a few hours to digest that. Plan on eating soon after? That may not be a big concern to some but cereal has more flexibility. Chose bran cereals or whole wheat types for the fiber value. OVERALL. Cereal is the better choice to ensure you start and end your day right, fortifying your body with nutrients.
You do realise cereal is almost exclusively carbs right?
Wait, I missed the cinnamon nonsense. Well, almost all of it is nonsense but the cinnamon one is a new level of nonsense.
Why do you assume carbs are bad? I live an active lifestyle and enjoy carbs because they burn off as energy. The only bad carbs are simple carbs. Eating healthy grain cereals are complex carbs. There isn’t a negative draw to slow released energy or carbs unless you don't use them.
Explain to me why cinnamon being used to slow glucose absorption is nonsense?
Why are simple carbs bad?
Correction** simple carbs are bad if you are not being active. They are directly linked to visceral fat.
Studies, please.
Sure, check out this study done on whole grains vs refined grains. Complex carb vs simple carb.
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/92/5/1165/4597531
First line:
Background: Observational studies have linked higher intakes of whole grains to lower abdominal adiposity; however, the association between whole- and refined-grain intake and body fat compartments has yet to be reported.
So did you only read the first line because that was to make a statement about what is currently known. Reading further shows the results of an experiment that links the two and is what is leading into new discovery on simple carbs.
It concluded with correlation not causation, it was entirely self reported with the participants asked to answer questions based on their previous years consumption. It's not even close to determinative.
I feel like you’d make a good lawyer. Okay, there is a correlation between simple carbs and visceral fat. I think we can agree being inactive and eating lots of simple carbs would be a bad thing though.
There's also a correlation between the consumption of beef and the number of deaths by lightning strikes:
And between the cost of potato chips and the number of people who died by falling out of their wheelchairs:
And between the per capita consumption of cheese and the total revenue generated by golf courses:
See, correlation is kind of a funny thing. Sometimes it means something, sometimes it doesn't mean anything at all.
I see a lot of fat people exercising. Therefore, by correlation, exercise makes you fat. Do we agree on that? Or is the correlation maybe spurious and/or nuanced, and maybe there are other factors which need to be examined and taken into consideration?
I see what you did there but it doesn’t make sense. Usually two joining subjects like carbs and fat are relevant for an obvious reason.
Not quite sure where you're taking us with that one, but I'm sure it'll be good.
High school chemistry sir. Sugar is converted to fat. You already made the point of carbs being forms of sugar.
Sugar is a form of carbs. All carbs turn to glucose in the body. Energy (not just sugar) which is not used it turned to fat.6 -
billym2018 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »I’d argue against that and in favor of cereal being in all around healthier choice for mornings or afternoons. What do you think pizza is? I’m not being funny here. Really think about it. You have meat, tomato sauce and bread that is most often not whole wheat. The carbs from the bread alone cause a big insulin spike because carbs convert to sugar. Yeah.. the thing you said was bad about cereal is actually in pizza. Sugar is a tricky beast that you must out smart. It’s in the tomato sauce too btw. Here’s what you can do. Adding cinnamon to cereal mimics insulin in the body and helps lower the odds of a spike from the sugar. I don't recommend sugary cereals but at least with cereal you have options. Ever eaten whole wheat pizza? Me either.
Now the meat is a totally different avenue. If you eat meat for breakfast your body will need quite a few hours to digest that. Plan on eating soon after? That may not be a big concern to some but cereal has more flexibility. Chose bran cereals or whole wheat types for the fiber value. OVERALL. Cereal is the better choice to ensure you start and end your day right, fortifying your body with nutrients.
You do realise cereal is almost exclusively carbs right?
Wait, I missed the cinnamon nonsense. Well, almost all of it is nonsense but the cinnamon one is a new level of nonsense.
Why do you assume carbs are bad? I live an active lifestyle and enjoy carbs because they burn off as energy. The only bad carbs are simple carbs. Eating healthy grain cereals are complex carbs. There isn’t a negative draw to slow released energy or carbs unless you don't use them.
Explain to me why cinnamon being used to slow glucose absorption is nonsense?
Why are simple carbs bad?
Correction** simple carbs are bad if you are not being active. They are directly linked to visceral fat.
Studies, please.
Sure, check out this study done on whole grains vs refined grains. Complex carb vs simple carb.
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/92/5/1165/4597531
First line:
Background: Observational studies have linked higher intakes of whole grains to lower abdominal adiposity; however, the association between whole- and refined-grain intake and body fat compartments has yet to be reported.
So did you only read the first line because that was to make a statement about what is currently known. Reading further shows the results of an experiment that links the two and is what is leading into new discovery on simple carbs.
It concluded with correlation not causation, it was entirely self reported with the participants asked to answer questions based on their previous years consumption. It's not even close to determinative.
I feel like you’d make a good lawyer. Okay, there is a correlation between simple carbs and visceral fat. I think we can agree being inactive and eating lots of simple carbs would be a bad thing though.
There's also a correlation between the consumption of beef and the number of deaths by lightning strikes:
And between the cost of potato chips and the number of people who died by falling out of their wheelchairs:
And between the per capita consumption of cheese and the total revenue generated by golf courses:
See, correlation is kind of a funny thing. Sometimes it means something, sometimes it doesn't mean anything at all.
I see a lot of fat people exercising. Therefore, by correlation, exercise makes you fat. Do we agree on that? Or is the correlation maybe spurious and/or nuanced, and maybe there are other factors which need to be examined and taken into consideration?
I see what you did there but it doesn’t make sense. Usually two joining subjects like carbs and fat are relevant for an obvious reason.
Not quite sure where you're taking us with that one, but I'm sure it'll be good.
High school chemistry sir. Sugar is converted to fat. You already made the point of carbs being forms of sugar.
Tsk tsk. De novo lipogenesis (sugar being converted to fat) is a process which very rarely happens, and only under very limited circumstances.
Here, let me science you up a little bit (you may want to read the entire article, I'm sure you'd find it enlightening): https://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/how-we-get-fat.html/
Exerpt (emphasis added):...Carbohydrates are rarely converted to fat (a process called de novo lipogenesis) under normal dietary conditions. There are exceptions when this occurs. One is with massive chronic overfeeding of carbs. I’m talking 700-900 grams of carbs per day for multiple days. Under those conditions, carbs max out glycogen stores, are in excess of total daily energy requirements and you see the conversion of carbohydrate to fat for storage. But this is not a normal dietary situation for most people...7 -
billym2018 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »I’d argue against that and in favor of cereal being in all around healthier choice for mornings or afternoons. What do you think pizza is? I’m not being funny here. Really think about it. You have meat, tomato sauce and bread that is most often not whole wheat. The carbs from the bread alone cause a big insulin spike because carbs convert to sugar. Yeah.. the thing you said was bad about cereal is actually in pizza. Sugar is a tricky beast that you must out smart. It’s in the tomato sauce too btw. Here’s what you can do. Adding cinnamon to cereal mimics insulin in the body and helps lower the odds of a spike from the sugar. I don't recommend sugary cereals but at least with cereal you have options. Ever eaten whole wheat pizza? Me either.
Now the meat is a totally different avenue. If you eat meat for breakfast your body will need quite a few hours to digest that. Plan on eating soon after? That may not be a big concern to some but cereal has more flexibility. Chose bran cereals or whole wheat types for the fiber value. OVERALL. Cereal is the better choice to ensure you start and end your day right, fortifying your body with nutrients.
You do realise cereal is almost exclusively carbs right?
Wait, I missed the cinnamon nonsense. Well, almost all of it is nonsense but the cinnamon one is a new level of nonsense.
Why do you assume carbs are bad? I live an active lifestyle and enjoy carbs because they burn off as energy. The only bad carbs are simple carbs. Eating healthy grain cereals are complex carbs. There isn’t a negative draw to slow released energy or carbs unless you don't use them.
Explain to me why cinnamon being used to slow glucose absorption is nonsense?
Why are simple carbs bad?
Correction** simple carbs are bad if you are not being active. They are directly linked to visceral fat.
Studies, please.
Sure, check out this study done on whole grains vs refined grains. Complex carb vs simple carb.
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/92/5/1165/4597531
First line:
Background: Observational studies have linked higher intakes of whole grains to lower abdominal adiposity; however, the association between whole- and refined-grain intake and body fat compartments has yet to be reported.
So did you only read the first line because that was to make a statement about what is currently known. Reading further shows the results of an experiment that links the two and is what is leading into new discovery on simple carbs.
It concluded with correlation not causation, it was entirely self reported with the participants asked to answer questions based on their previous years consumption. It's not even close to determinative.
I feel like you’d make a good lawyer. Okay, there is a correlation between simple carbs and visceral fat. I think we can agree being inactive and eating lots of simple carbs calories would be a bad thing though.
Fixed it for you.
Answer me this: What are complex carbs ultimately digested/metabolized into in the body?
You realize that now we are talking about molecules and that a calorie is a unit of measure right?
I honestly have no idea what your point is now.
Based on any scientific sources I've seen, any macro or kind of macro you eat while in a calorie deficit will not be converted to fat, and food combining rules are good ole fashioned snake oil woo.
The scientific community generally does not consider correlation proof of anything. Correlation can point you in a direction for further study, but it begs for more scrutiny. Health bloggers and click bait writers swear by correlation evidence, good science not so much.5 -
billym2018 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »I’d argue against that and in favor of cereal being in all around healthier choice for mornings or afternoons. What do you think pizza is? I’m not being funny here. Really think about it. You have meat, tomato sauce and bread that is most often not whole wheat. The carbs from the bread alone cause a big insulin spike because carbs convert to sugar. Yeah.. the thing you said was bad about cereal is actually in pizza. Sugar is a tricky beast that you must out smart. It’s in the tomato sauce too btw. Here’s what you can do. Adding cinnamon to cereal mimics insulin in the body and helps lower the odds of a spike from the sugar. I don't recommend sugary cereals but at least with cereal you have options. Ever eaten whole wheat pizza? Me either.
Now the meat is a totally different avenue. If you eat meat for breakfast your body will need quite a few hours to digest that. Plan on eating soon after? That may not be a big concern to some but cereal has more flexibility. Chose bran cereals or whole wheat types for the fiber value. OVERALL. Cereal is the better choice to ensure you start and end your day right, fortifying your body with nutrients.
You do realise cereal is almost exclusively carbs right?
Wait, I missed the cinnamon nonsense. Well, almost all of it is nonsense but the cinnamon one is a new level of nonsense.
Why do you assume carbs are bad? I live an active lifestyle and enjoy carbs because they burn off as energy. The only bad carbs are simple carbs. Eating healthy grain cereals are complex carbs. There isn’t a negative draw to slow released energy or carbs unless you don't use them.
Explain to me why cinnamon being used to slow glucose absorption is nonsense?
Why are simple carbs bad?
Correction** simple carbs are bad if you are not being active. They are directly linked to visceral fat.
Studies, please.
Sure, check out this study done on whole grains vs refined grains. Complex carb vs simple carb.
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/92/5/1165/4597531
First line:
Background: Observational studies have linked higher intakes of whole grains to lower abdominal adiposity; however, the association between whole- and refined-grain intake and body fat compartments has yet to be reported.
So did you only read the first line because that was to make a statement about what is currently known. Reading further shows the results of an experiment that links the two and is what is leading into new discovery on simple carbs.
It concluded with correlation not causation, it was entirely self reported with the participants asked to answer questions based on their previous years consumption. It's not even close to determinative.
I feel like you’d make a good lawyer. Okay, there is a correlation between simple carbs and visceral fat. I think we can agree being inactive and eating lots of simple carbs would be a bad thing though.
There's also a correlation between the consumption of beef and the number of deaths by lightning strikes:
And between the cost of potato chips and the number of people who died by falling out of their wheelchairs:
And between the per capita consumption of cheese and the total revenue generated by golf courses:
See, correlation is kind of a funny thing. Sometimes it means something, sometimes it doesn't mean anything at all.
I see a lot of fat people exercising. Therefore, by correlation, exercise makes you fat. Do we agree on that? Or is the correlation maybe spurious and/or nuanced, and maybe there are other factors which need to be examined and taken into consideration?
I see what you did there but it doesn’t make sense. Usually two joining subjects like carbs and fat are relevant for an obvious reason.
Not quite sure where you're taking us with that one, but I'm sure it'll be good.
High school chemistry sir. Sugar is converted to fat. You already made the point of carbs being forms of sugar.
In addition to the above, there is no net storage of any calorie source while in a caloric deficit. That's not how any of this works. By definition, a caloric deficit (energy deficit) means you're consuming less calories than you're expending. The body cannot store anything when it doesn't have enough energy (calories) coming in to meet its needs. That's how weight loss occurs.
Once again, this is all Nutrition 101 stuff.6 -
A little more science about de novo lipogenesis:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10365981
Abstract (emphasis added):Abstract
The enzymatic pathway for converting dietary carbohydrate (CHO) into fat, or de novo lipogenesis (DNL), is present in humans, whereas the capacity to convert fats into CHO does not exist. Here, the quantitative importance of DNL in humans is reviewed, focusing on the response to increased intake of dietary CHO. Eucaloric replacement of dietary fat by CHO does not induce hepatic DNL to any substantial degree. Similarly, addition of CHO to a mixed diet does not increase hepatic DNL to quantitatively important levels, as long as CHO energy intake remains less than total energy expenditure (TEE). Instead, dietary CHO replaces fat in the whole-body fuel mixture, even in the post-absorptive state. Body fat is thereby accrued, but the pathway of DNL is not traversed; instead, a coordinated set of metabolic adaptations, including resistance of hepatic glucose production to suppression by insulin, occurs that allows CHO oxidation to increase and match CHO intake. Only when CHO energy intake exceeds TEE does DNL in liver or adipose tissue contribute significantly to the whole-body energy economy. It is concluded that DNL is not the pathway of first resort for added dietary CHO, in humans. Under most dietary conditions, the two major macronutrient energy sources (CHO and fat) are therefore not interconvertible currencies; CHO and fat have independent, though interacting, economies and independent regulation. The metabolic mechanisms and physiologic implications of the functional block between CHO and fat in humans are discussed, but require further investigation.4 -
billym2018 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »I’d argue against that and in favor of cereal being in all around healthier choice for mornings or afternoons. What do you think pizza is? I’m not being funny here. Really think about it. You have meat, tomato sauce and bread that is most often not whole wheat. The carbs from the bread alone cause a big insulin spike because carbs convert to sugar. Yeah.. the thing you said was bad about cereal is actually in pizza. Sugar is a tricky beast that you must out smart. It’s in the tomato sauce too btw. Here’s what you can do. Adding cinnamon to cereal mimics insulin in the body and helps lower the odds of a spike from the sugar. I don't recommend sugary cereals but at least with cereal you have options. Ever eaten whole wheat pizza? Me either.
Now the meat is a totally different avenue. If you eat meat for breakfast your body will need quite a few hours to digest that. Plan on eating soon after? That may not be a big concern to some but cereal has more flexibility. Chose bran cereals or whole wheat types for the fiber value. OVERALL. Cereal is the better choice to ensure you start and end your day right, fortifying your body with nutrients.
You do realise cereal is almost exclusively carbs right?
Wait, I missed the cinnamon nonsense. Well, almost all of it is nonsense but the cinnamon one is a new level of nonsense.
Why do you assume carbs are bad? I live an active lifestyle and enjoy carbs because they burn off as energy. The only bad carbs are simple carbs. Eating healthy grain cereals are complex carbs. There isn’t a negative draw to slow released energy or carbs unless you don't use them.
Explain to me why cinnamon being used to slow glucose absorption is nonsense?
Why are simple carbs bad?
Correction** simple carbs are bad if you are not being active. They are directly linked to visceral fat.
You know how I know you don't know the difference between simple and complex carbs?7 -
billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »I’d argue against that and in favor of cereal being in all around healthier choice for mornings or afternoons. What do you think pizza is? I’m not being funny here. Really think about it. You have meat, tomato sauce and bread that is most often not whole wheat. The carbs from the bread alone cause a big insulin spike because carbs convert to sugar. Yeah.. the thing you said was bad about cereal is actually in pizza. Sugar is a tricky beast that you must out smart. It’s in the tomato sauce too btw. Here’s what you can do. Adding cinnamon to cereal mimics insulin in the body and helps lower the odds of a spike from the sugar. I don't recommend sugary cereals but at least with cereal you have options. Ever eaten whole wheat pizza? Me either.
Now the meat is a totally different avenue. If you eat meat for breakfast your body will need quite a few hours to digest that. Plan on eating soon after? That may not be a big concern to some but cereal has more flexibility. Chose bran cereals or whole wheat types for the fiber value. OVERALL. Cereal is the better choice to ensure you start and end your day right, fortifying your body with nutrients.
You do realise cereal is almost exclusively carbs right?
Wait, I missed the cinnamon nonsense. Well, almost all of it is nonsense but the cinnamon one is a new level of nonsense.
Why do you assume carbs are bad? I live an active lifestyle and enjoy carbs because they burn off as energy. The only bad carbs are simple carbs. Eating healthy grain cereals are complex carbs. There isn’t a negative draw to slow released energy or carbs unless you don't use them.
Explain to me why cinnamon being used to slow glucose absorption is nonsense?
Why are simple carbs bad?
Correction** simple carbs are bad if you are not being active. They are directly linked to visceral fat.
Studies, please.
Sure, check out this study done on whole grains vs refined grains. Complex carb vs simple carb.
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/92/5/1165/4597531
Yup, bingo. Sorry, refined or not, grains are still complex carbs.4 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »I eat cereal with orange juice *ducks*
I will never, ever understand the demonisation of pizza - Sure, it's bread. Just bread. If it has sugar in it (which many bread doughs don't), it's a starter amount to get the yeast off to a good start. The carbs in pizza dough get processed the same way as carbs in cereal (pro tip - all carbs convert to glucose).
Then sauce, meat, cheese, veggies...
Even if the sauce does have sugar in it, it's not "tricky" or hiding, its an ingredient. People have been putting sugar into canned tomato sauce for as long as they've been canning things. Depends whose Nonna you get the recipe from sure, but *shrug*, its just an ingredient.
Meat, cheese, veggies... Pizza is actually an all around well balanced meal (if you order it that way, I suppose).
Grapefruit juice here, except for Grape nuts and granola.2 -
Based on any scientific sources I've seen, any macro or kind of macro you eat while in a calorie deficit will not be converted to fat,
I don't think that is "technically" true. Food will be converted and stored as fat while in a deficit, but more fat will be required as fuel over a time period. So my lunch will turn into fat but over the course of the day, I will burn more fat than is stored. There will be a net fat loss, but as part of the process, some will be stored.
Back to lurking.
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Tacklewasher wrote: »
Based on any scientific sources I've seen, any macro or kind of macro you eat while in a calorie deficit will not be converted to fat,
I don't think that is "technically" true. Food will be converted and stored as fat while in a deficit, but more fat will be required as fuel over a time period. So my lunch will turn into fat but over the course of the day, I will burn more fat than is stored. There will be a net fat loss, but as part of the process, some will be stored.
Back to lurking.
Lol, we could pendant this down further to say the fat in your lunch....and your breakfast will get stored as fat, the carbs converted to glycogen and the protein utilized for various tissue building and repair. But who needs to go there really....?
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billym2018 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »I’d argue against that and in favor of cereal being in all around healthier choice for mornings or afternoons. What do you think pizza is? I’m not being funny here. Really think about it. You have meat, tomato sauce and bread that is most often not whole wheat. The carbs from the bread alone cause a big insulin spike because carbs convert to sugar. Yeah.. the thing you said was bad about cereal is actually in pizza. Sugar is a tricky beast that you must out smart. It’s in the tomato sauce too btw. Here’s what you can do. Adding cinnamon to cereal mimics insulin in the body and helps lower the odds of a spike from the sugar. I don't recommend sugary cereals but at least with cereal you have options. Ever eaten whole wheat pizza? Me either.
Now the meat is a totally different avenue. If you eat meat for breakfast your body will need quite a few hours to digest that. Plan on eating soon after? That may not be a big concern to some but cereal has more flexibility. Chose bran cereals or whole wheat types for the fiber value. OVERALL. Cereal is the better choice to ensure you start and end your day right, fortifying your body with nutrients.
You do realise cereal is almost exclusively carbs right?
Wait, I missed the cinnamon nonsense. Well, almost all of it is nonsense but the cinnamon one is a new level of nonsense.
Why do you assume carbs are bad? I live an active lifestyle and enjoy carbs because they burn off as energy. The only bad carbs are simple carbs. Eating healthy grain cereals are complex carbs. There isn’t a negative draw to slow released energy or carbs unless you don't use them.
Explain to me why cinnamon being used to slow glucose absorption is nonsense?
Why are simple carbs bad?
Correction** simple carbs are bad if you are not being active. They are directly linked to visceral fat.
Studies, please.
Sure, check out this study done on whole grains vs refined grains. Complex carb vs simple carb.
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/92/5/1165/4597531
First line:
Background: Observational studies have linked higher intakes of whole grains to lower abdominal adiposity; however, the association between whole- and refined-grain intake and body fat compartments has yet to be reported.
So did you only read the first line because that was to make a statement about what is currently known. Reading further shows the results of an experiment that links the two and is what is leading into new discovery on simple carbs.
It concluded with correlation not causation, it was entirely self reported with the participants asked to answer questions based on their previous years consumption. It's not even close to determinative.
I feel like you’d make a good lawyer. Okay, there is a correlation between simple carbs and visceral fat. I think we can agree being inactive and eating lots of simple carbs would be a bad thing though.
There's also a correlation between the consumption of beef and the number of deaths by lightning strikes:
And between the cost of potato chips and the number of people who died by falling out of their wheelchairs:
And between the per capita consumption of cheese and the total revenue generated by golf courses:
See, correlation is kind of a funny thing. Sometimes it means something, sometimes it doesn't mean anything at all.
I see a lot of fat people exercising. Therefore, by correlation, exercise makes you fat. Do we agree on that? Or is the correlation maybe spurious and/or nuanced, and maybe there are other factors which need to be examined and taken into consideration?
I see what you did there but it doesn’t make sense. Usually two joining subjects like carbs and fat are relevant for an obvious reason.
Not quite sure where you're taking us with that one, but I'm sure it'll be good.
High school chemistry sir. Sugar is converted to fat. You already made the point of carbs being forms of sugar.
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billym2018 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »I’d argue against that and in favor of cereal being in all around healthier choice for mornings or afternoons. What do you think pizza is? I’m not being funny here. Really think about it. You have meat, tomato sauce and bread that is most often not whole wheat. The carbs from the bread alone cause a big insulin spike because carbs convert to sugar. Yeah.. the thing you said was bad about cereal is actually in pizza. Sugar is a tricky beast that you must out smart. It’s in the tomato sauce too btw. Here’s what you can do. Adding cinnamon to cereal mimics insulin in the body and helps lower the odds of a spike from the sugar. I don't recommend sugary cereals but at least with cereal you have options. Ever eaten whole wheat pizza? Me either.
Now the meat is a totally different avenue. If you eat meat for breakfast your body will need quite a few hours to digest that. Plan on eating soon after? That may not be a big concern to some but cereal has more flexibility. Chose bran cereals or whole wheat types for the fiber value. OVERALL. Cereal is the better choice to ensure you start and end your day right, fortifying your body with nutrients.
You do realise cereal is almost exclusively carbs right?
Wait, I missed the cinnamon nonsense. Well, almost all of it is nonsense but the cinnamon one is a new level of nonsense.
Why do you assume carbs are bad? I live an active lifestyle and enjoy carbs because they burn off as energy. The only bad carbs are simple carbs. Eating healthy grain cereals are complex carbs. There isn’t a negative draw to slow released energy or carbs unless you don't use them.
Explain to me why cinnamon being used to slow glucose absorption is nonsense?
Why are simple carbs bad?
Correction** simple carbs are bad if you are not being active. They are directly linked to visceral fat.
Studies, please.
Sure, check out this study done on whole grains vs refined grains. Complex carb vs simple carb.
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/92/5/1165/4597531
First line:
Background: Observational studies have linked higher intakes of whole grains to lower abdominal adiposity; however, the association between whole- and refined-grain intake and body fat compartments has yet to be reported.
So did you only read the first line because that was to make a statement about what is currently known. Reading further shows the results of an experiment that links the two and is what is leading into new discovery on simple carbs.
It concluded with correlation not causation, it was entirely self reported with the participants asked to answer questions based on their previous years consumption. It's not even close to determinative.
I feel like you’d make a good lawyer. Okay, there is a correlation between simple carbs and visceral fat. I think we can agree being inactive and eating lots of simple carbs would be a bad thing though.
There's also a correlation between the consumption of beef and the number of deaths by lightning strikes:
And between the cost of potato chips and the number of people who died by falling out of their wheelchairs:
And between the per capita consumption of cheese and the total revenue generated by golf courses:
See, correlation is kind of a funny thing. Sometimes it means something, sometimes it doesn't mean anything at all.
I see a lot of fat people exercising. Therefore, by correlation, exercise makes you fat. Do we agree on that? Or is the correlation maybe spurious and/or nuanced, and maybe there are other factors which need to be examined and taken into consideration?
I see what you did there but it doesn’t make sense. Usually two joining subjects like carbs and fat are relevant for an obvious reason.
Not quite sure where you're taking us with that one, but I'm sure it'll be good.
High school chemistry sir. Sugar is converted to fat. You already made the point of carbs being forms of sugar.
Dude, your in way over your head. You brought a pocket knife to a gun fight in terms of your knowledge and understanding. And what is worse, you are insistent and don't seem to be able to learn. Your understanding of nutrition and physiology is seriously lacking.8 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »I’d argue against that and in favor of cereal being in all around healthier choice for mornings or afternoons. What do you think pizza is? I’m not being funny here. Really think about it. You have meat, tomato sauce and bread that is most often not whole wheat. The carbs from the bread alone cause a big insulin spike because carbs convert to sugar. Yeah.. the thing you said was bad about cereal is actually in pizza. Sugar is a tricky beast that you must out smart. It’s in the tomato sauce too btw. Here’s what you can do. Adding cinnamon to cereal mimics insulin in the body and helps lower the odds of a spike from the sugar. I don't recommend sugary cereals but at least with cereal you have options. Ever eaten whole wheat pizza? Me either.
Now the meat is a totally different avenue. If you eat meat for breakfast your body will need quite a few hours to digest that. Plan on eating soon after? That may not be a big concern to some but cereal has more flexibility. Chose bran cereals or whole wheat types for the fiber value. OVERALL. Cereal is the better choice to ensure you start and end your day right, fortifying your body with nutrients.
You do realise cereal is almost exclusively carbs right?
Wait, I missed the cinnamon nonsense. Well, almost all of it is nonsense but the cinnamon one is a new level of nonsense.
Why do you assume carbs are bad? I live an active lifestyle and enjoy carbs because they burn off as energy. The only bad carbs are simple carbs. Eating healthy grain cereals are complex carbs. There isn’t a negative draw to slow released energy or carbs unless you don't use them.
Explain to me why cinnamon being used to slow glucose absorption is nonsense?
Why are simple carbs bad?
Correction** simple carbs are bad if you are not being active. They are directly linked to visceral fat.
Studies, please.
Sure, check out this study done on whole grains vs refined grains. Complex carb vs simple carb.
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/92/5/1165/4597531
All grains are complex carbs.
Fruit calories come from simple carbs (mostly).
Complex carb = starch.
Simple carb = fruit.
Potato, white bread, oats, beans, flour, french fries (although these include fat too) = complex.
Fruit, dairy, table sugar, pop = simple.
You can't generalize, some are nutrient dense foods, some are not.
Oops, correction to the above: I meant to write "simple carb = sugar." Must have had fruit on the brain ;-)0 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »
Based on any scientific sources I've seen, any macro or kind of macro you eat while in a calorie deficit will not be converted to fat,
I don't think that is "technically" true. Food will be converted and stored as fat while in a deficit, but more fat will be required as fuel over a time period. So my lunch will turn into fat but over the course of the day, I will burn more fat than is stored. There will be a net fat loss, but as part of the process, some will be stored.
Back to lurking.
Maybe (and as you say it doesn't matter), but I think that actually doesn't happen that much on a diet, at least not with carbs (as we have been discussing).
It takes extra energy to convert carbs to fat and won't happen when you can either burn them or use them to replenish glycogen stores, and in a deficit glycogen stores are not normally going to be full.
The funny thing is that if we were converting carbs to fat (and then burning bodily fat) a lot in a deficit, that would likely be beneficial -- not the awful thing that those who go on about carbs turning to fat think -- as the process itself burns calories and thus significantly raises the calorie burn from "processing" the carbs (like raising the TEF). (People like McDougall claim that's why carbs can't make you fat, but that's stupid, like any idea that TEF is going to prevent someone from having a calorie surplus.)
In any event, it is why it's somewhat rare that it happens absent significant surplus from high carb and lower fat diet (which is not actually the SAD, the SAD is considered high fat). It's easier (takes less energy) for the body to burn carbs in a surplus and store fat as fat. We still will burn some fat, of course (in particular at rest).
I know this went way beyond what you said, but I think it's interesting.
None of this, of course, affects whether pizza or cereal in a deficit is a better breakfast. ;-)
(I'm also not sure why carbs being stored as fat is brought up as a pro cereal point, although for the reasons discussed above, and because both foods have carbs, it's also not an anti cereal point, as the original linked article may have claimed.)0
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