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Do diets work?
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Well do you plan on keeping your calories at the level that it took you to loose that weight!! I’m betting on your body fighting you to eat that back!! Your going to have to depend on willpower the rest of your life!! Their is a better way!! Eat a healthy diet!! Always being hungry is a terrible way to live!! Believe it , you can eat more and keep your weight down!! Cut out the fat!! Or cut down on the saturated fat!! That’s mainly in meat and dairy!! And loose the oils!!
I'm not always hungry...I'm hungry when meal time rolls around...I don't eat the same calories I ate to lose weight...I eat more...'cuz you know...maintenance.
Pretty much around 2,800 - 3,000 calories per day which isn't to shabby for a desk jockey.9 -
Irishman1970 wrote: »tinkerbellang83 wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »Diets don't work because you can go ff them - you need to approach life as a fitness journey not as a diet - a diet is something you go on and off of - Fitness is a lifestyle - much harder to say I am going to stop being fit - alot easier to say i am going off my diet
So are you in the calories don't matter camp too? Because that is what the OP is trying to argue. Noone is saying it's not a lifestyle change, he is claiming that it's what you eat not how much you eat, so apparently we can all eat as much raw vegan food as we like and we'll never gain weight.
4 Chicken Breast no carbs lean 120 grams quality protein or 1 burger 35 grams protein 60 grams saturated fat - 100 grams sugar - its WHAT you eat
What's the context? That everyone is either eating high-calorie burgers or low-calorie chicken breasts? That people who eat chicken breasts don't eat carbs so don't gain weight? That over-eating burgers will cause weight gain while over-eating chicken breasts won't?
eta: What does "quality" protein mean?15 -
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Orthorexic much. Neither pic is crap. Your logic seems to be though....
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Irishman1970 wrote: »But who wants to eat four chicken breasts? Ugh. Why can't I have a chicken breast with a salad on Monday and cheeseburger on Tuesday?
If your calories are on point, you don't need to eat like some clean-eating saint every day. You can make yummy stuff fit.
1 burger (1 burger) is 50% of your calories for the day and its *kitten* food - then you are are wondering why you have cravings? and you start to binge at 9pm
THAT is why diets don;t work
What makes it *kitten* food though? I eat mostly processed food for lunch every day, and that easily sustains me until dinner. Last night, I had two pieces of cheese pizza and a piece of cake. I'm still content and will be until I eat my processed lunch at 12.
I'm not attacking you, I'm just genuinely curious why some calories are good and bad in your opinion. Maybe for you a cheeseburger gives you cravings so you HAVE to eat 4 chicken breast, but what about the other people that it is just that, a meal for sustenance/energy?
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Irishman1970 wrote: »But who wants to eat four chicken breasts? Ugh. Why can't I have a chicken breast with a salad on Monday and cheeseburger on Tuesday?
If your calories are on point, you don't need to eat like some clean-eating saint every day. You can make yummy stuff fit.
1 burger (1 burger) is 50% of your calories for the day and its *kitten* food - then you are are wondering why you have cravings? and you start to binge at 9pm
THAT is why diets don;t work
I don't have cravings and I've never binged, but thanks for making some pretty presumptuous assumptions about me.
I can get a Wendy's single with cheese, small fries, and a Diet Coke for dinner, after having rolled oats with blueberries and peanut butter for breakfast and a chicken and spinach salad for lunch and come in at my calorie goal with my macros being in decent shape. Just because you can't figure out how to do that yourself doesn't mean it's not possible.23 -
Irishman1970 wrote: »But who wants to eat four chicken breasts? Ugh. Why can't I have a chicken breast with a salad on Monday and cheeseburger on Tuesday?
If your calories are on point, you don't need to eat like some clean-eating saint every day. You can make yummy stuff fit.
1 burger (1 burger) is 50% of your calories for the day and its *kitten* food - then you are are wondering why you have cravings? and you start to binge at 9pm
THAT is why diets don;t work
1 burger is 50% of whose daily calories? And why pick a burger loaded with bacon and onion rings? If you order the bacon and onion rings separate and eat a plain burger does that make a difference? Would I still be starving and binging at 9:00 pm if I really like burgers, and filled up the other half of my calories with other food I like so that I fulfill my nutrition needs?
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Irishman1970 wrote: »But who wants to eat four chicken breasts? Ugh. Why can't I have a chicken breast with a salad on Monday and cheeseburger on Tuesday?
If your calories are on point, you don't need to eat like some clean-eating saint every day. You can make yummy stuff fit.
1 burger (1 burger) is 50% of your calories for the day and its *kitten* food - then you are are wondering why you have cravings? and you start to binge at 9pm
THAT is why diets don;t work
A Big Mac in the UK is 508 calories, I can assure you that is not 50% of my calories that is maybe 20% of my calories for the day on an active day.11 -
Irishman1970 wrote: »
Can you please define the difference between the two? A "6 dollar burger" has been part of my "diet" for nearly 20 years. Since I can remember, I've always left room in my "diet" to fit in a fast food meal for my Friday lunch.10 -
Irishman1970 wrote: »
My diet (noun) includes chicken and burgers. And vegetables, fruit, dairy, legumes, grains, and so on and so forth.
I don't diet (verb). I eat. Well. Within my personal goals for health and nutrition and weight loss.14 -
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Irishman1970 wrote: »
If it's something I am eating it's part of my diet (noun) like anything else I eat?
I am not even sure what you are trying to argue.
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Irishman1970 wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »But who wants to eat four chicken breasts? Ugh. Why can't I have a chicken breast with a salad on Monday and cheeseburger on Tuesday?
If your calories are on point, you don't need to eat like some clean-eating saint every day. You can make yummy stuff fit.
1 burger (1 burger) is 50% of your calories for the day and its *kitten* food - then you are are wondering why you have cravings? and you start to binge at 9pm
THAT is why diets don;t work
What makes it *kitten* food though? I eat mostly processed food for lunch every day, and that easily sustains me until dinner. Last night, I had two pieces of cheese pizza and a piece of cake. I'm still content and will be until I eat my processed lunch at 12.
I'm not attacking you, I'm just genuinely curious why some calories are good and bad in your opinion. Maybe for you a cheeseburger gives you cravings so you HAVE to eat 4 chicken breast, but what about the other people that it is just that, a meal for sustenance/energy?
A calorie is a calorie - is the delivery method - your choice is healthy food like chicken breast, fish, nuts, vegetables etc.... or a 6 dollar burger
you will get 3 times the food and nutrition in half the calories
Right - but what if I don't need 3x's the food? What if the amount I'm eating is satiating and the way I'm eating is sustainable over long term? If what I'm doing is working, why would I limit what I can eat and deny myself things and make life harder?
I think you're forgetting everyone is different. If you don't want to eat "*kitten*" food, then you don't - what's it matter if other people do?
Dieting does work if you find what WORKS FOR YOU. Clearly you have, but those of us that still indulge and eat McDonalds or whatever else was said - it works for us. Why fix it if it ain't broke?7 -
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Irishman1970 wrote: »
But every once and awhile IS a part of my diet. I eat everything every once and awhile. Do you just have 3 meals that you eat every single day to make up your "diet"???
Some days I eat fast food. Some days I cook everything from scratch. Some days I eat some convenience food with some whole food. I always try to get enough protein and fiber regardless. There's always fruit and veggies in there. How is that not healthy or not "my diet"?9 -
Irishman1970 wrote: »
Nutrient dense food is better for you and 6 dollar burger is crap for you - some protein yes - simple sugar carbs and Saturated fat vs a much better healthier alternative that should be a lifestyletinkerbellang83 wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »
If it's something I am eating it's part of my diet (noun) like anything else I eat?
I am not even sure what you are trying to argue.
Why can't both be part of my lifestyle? Ignoring this magic 100g sugar burger you've made up let's take an actual nutritional example like the Big Mac which almost everyone is familiar with. What makes it crap if I have one, once a week in an overall healthy balanced diet?
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Why reinvent the wheel? That's like saying, my car is running perfectly, but I'm going to send it to the shop to have them rebuild the engine1
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Irishman1970 wrote: »too funny to watch people here defend eating crap as long as its in the calorie context
Well, just look at it another way, what is crap and what is clean? Both those terms depend on who you are talking to. Your clean chicken breasts are pretty dirty to a vegan and if it's not free range organic and anointed in holy oil by others.
Again, we get a lot of people who bring in these straw arguments about "eating crap" without having any idea what constitutes what and why/20 -
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Irishman1970 wrote: »
Nutrient dense food is better for you and 6 dollar burger is crap for you - some protein yes - simple sugar carbs and Saturated fat vs a much better healthier alternative that should be a lifestyletinkerbellang83 wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »
If it's something I am eating it's part of my diet (noun) like anything else I eat?
I am not even sure what you are trying to argue.
I'm pretty sure the burger would stack up a lot more diverse nutritionally than the chicken breasts, which are nothing but protein and a little fat. If you're saying the burger derives nutrition from carbs as well, why yes it does. What's wrong with that? There's nothing wrong with sugar if you have no medical limitations and it doesn't crowd out you other nutrition and calorie goals. And before you go to a comparison of chicken breasts and twinkies, nobody here is buying that anyone lives on twinkies alone, anymore than they live on burgers alone.17 -
Irishman1970 wrote: »But who wants to eat four chicken breasts? Ugh. Why can't I have a chicken breast with a salad on Monday and cheeseburger on Tuesday?
If your calories are on point, you don't need to eat like some clean-eating saint every day. You can make yummy stuff fit.
1 burger (1 burger) is 50% of your calories for the day and its *kitten* food - then you are are wondering why you have cravings? and you start to binge at 9pm
THAT is why diets don;t work
The conclusion is so far from the premise they aren't even in the same country. Diets, and here you mean specifically weight loss diets I'm sure, do work. It's when you come off them that they fail, but then that's not the diet that's the lifestyle. So in reality it's habits and lifestyles you need to address in the long term.
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Irishman1970 wrote: »
Nutrient dense food is better for you and 6 dollar burger is crap for you - some protein yes - simple sugar carbs and Saturated fat vs a much better healthier alternative that should be a lifestyletinkerbellang83 wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »
If it's something I am eating it's part of my diet (noun) like anything else I eat?
I am not even sure what you are trying to argue.
I'm not sure what the cost of the burger has to do with anything. If the price goes up to $8, will that alter the nutritional value?
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Mmmmm I have a double or triple burger with cheese and bacon a few times a week ... still losing weight. Also had beer and Girl Scout cookies, keeping within my calories, and still losing weight. My $6 bratwursts are yummy too
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Irishman1970 wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »
Can you please define the difference between the two? A "6 dollar burger" has been part of my "diet" for nearly 20 years. Since I can remember, I've always left room in my "diet" to fit in a fast food meal for my Friday lunch.
thus "every once in a while ok" you said FRIDAY
Yes, but you also said it shouldn't be part of my diet. Which is it?
Once in a while is OK, or it shouldn't be part of a diet. This is what everyone you're arguing with is talking about....context and dosage.4 -
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