Opinions on the keto diet??
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WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »And to me, this is the problem. All of the keto threads I see eventually end up with "Keto is better because otherwise you are eating nothing but junk carbs and chemicals" and/or "Yes, it all comes down to CICO but keto has other benefits that other WOEs don't". Either of these statements could be true for specific individuals, but not for all. And I'll add the purported health benefits of keto, which I've seen some vague IRL evidence of but not in controlled settings where you can be sure other variables weren't involved, are still being investigated. They are often put forward as facts that anyone in the know is aware of, which is a bit irresponsible IMHO.
And in one of these threads, JUST ONE, I would like for someone to explain to me why keto is all of a sudden the right way for humans to eat, when all of the Blue Zones and other less dramatic but still long-lived and healthy areas of the world eat a higher carb diet of grains, veggies, fruits, and beans with small amounts of fish, meat, nuts, and oil.
While keto has been around for many thousands of years ask yourself why to the Blue Zones not eat processed carbs with added chemicals.
Blue Zones do not live on processed foods containing added sugar and other chemicals. In fact most blue zones have not historically even had access to SAD (Standard American Diet) that is available in the USA today.
I see using the term Blue Zones to support the eating of high carbs in the USA as an integrity fail.
Blue zones also dont consume loads of saturated fats and processed fats like pork rinds, sausage and chicken wings.
So whats your point.
What you just quoted above is my point. Below is more on Blue Zones. What we know is Blue Zones do not live on high carb/fat processed foods that is so common to the posters on MFP.
https://huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/10/23/the-blue-zones-diet-can-help-you-live-longer-and-be-healthier_a_21588550/
Don’t you eat at McDonald’s every morning?
Seldom do I eat breakfast at McDonald's because I start the day with about a 1000-1200 calorie breakfast at home. Yesterday I did eat lunch and supper at McDonald's of their Keto WOE options.
Do you have a personal problem with where people choose to eat Keto/LCHF?
McDonald's is just like Kroger's (USA at least). You can select the WOE you wish.
You eat a lot of saturated fat and processed meat while knocking the blue zones diet. I thought it odd.
Why would you make a fake post like this? Only a fool would knock a blue zone WOE that has been working well for the persons for 100+ years of their lives.
So if you acknowledge that blue zone diets, which are high in carbs but low in saturated fats, are very healthy, then why talk about the superiority of ketogenic diets, why talk about how unhealthy carbs are, how those carbs were killing you? Why not try eating a blue zone diet, with the longevity and health benefits that often result from that lifestyle, since longevity is something that you’ve often discussed as something you’re striving for, living to be 110.
I am only 67 currently and trying to reverse damage I took after 40 years of eating highly processed food high in sugar and fat. I am using Keto to do that and find out why the carbs were leading me to binging on processed foods like I use to eat.
Preventing cancer, stoke, dementia, heart attack, type 2 diabetes, etc from past highly processed foods have put me at risk of experiencing.
Clearly a lifestyle of not cursing, drinking alcohol and doing drugs plus no highly processed carbs/fats like the Blue Zone in CA is awesome but I have not seen research on how it can lower the risks of the above health issues the way Keto/LCHF studies. If a person with a compromised heart can increase its efficiency by 25% by burning fat based foods vs carb based foods then where would be the gain for that person to eat the Blue Zone WOE?14 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »And to me, this is the problem. All of the keto threads I see eventually end up with "Keto is better because otherwise you are eating nothing but junk carbs and chemicals" and/or "Yes, it all comes down to CICO but keto has other benefits that other WOEs don't". Either of these statements could be true for specific individuals, but not for all. And I'll add the purported health benefits of keto, which I've seen some vague IRL evidence of but not in controlled settings where you can be sure other variables weren't involved, are still being investigated. They are often put forward as facts that anyone in the know is aware of, which is a bit irresponsible IMHO.
And in one of these threads, JUST ONE, I would like for someone to explain to me why keto is all of a sudden the right way for humans to eat, when all of the Blue Zones and other less dramatic but still long-lived and healthy areas of the world eat a higher carb diet of grains, veggies, fruits, and beans with small amounts of fish, meat, nuts, and oil.
While keto has been around for many thousands of years ask yourself why to the Blue Zones not eat processed carbs with added chemicals.
Blue Zones do not live on processed foods containing added sugar and other chemicals. In fact most blue zones have not historically even had access to SAD (Standard American Diet) that is available in the USA today.
I see using the term Blue Zones to support the eating of high carbs in the USA as an integrity fail.
Blue zones also dont consume loads of saturated fats and processed fats like pork rinds, sausage and chicken wings.
So whats your point.
What you just quoted above is my point. Below is more on Blue Zones. What we know is Blue Zones do not live on high carb/fat processed foods that is so common to the posters on MFP.
https://huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/10/23/the-blue-zones-diet-can-help-you-live-longer-and-be-healthier_a_21588550/
Don’t you eat at McDonald’s every morning?
Seldom do I eat breakfast at McDonald's because I start the day with about a 1000-1200 calorie breakfast at home. Yesterday I did eat lunch and supper at McDonald's of their Keto WOE options.
Do you have a personal problem with where people choose to eat Keto/LCHF?
McDonald's is just like Kroger's (USA at least). You can select the WOE you wish.
You eat a lot of saturated fat and processed meat while knocking the blue zones diet. I thought it odd.
Why would you make a fake post like this? Only a fool would knock a blue zone WOE that has been working well for the persons for 100+ years of their lives.
So if you acknowledge that blue zone diets, which are high in carbs but low in saturated fats, are very healthy, then why talk about the superiority of ketogenic diets, why talk about how unhealthy carbs are, how those carbs were killing you? Why not try eating a blue zone diet, with the longevity and health benefits that often result from that lifestyle, since longevity is something that you’ve often discussed as something you’re striving for, living to be 110.
I am only 67 currently and trying to reverse damage I took after 40 years of eating highly processed food high in sugar and fat. I am using Keto to do that and find out why the carbs were leading me to binging on processed foods like I use to eat.
Preventing cancer, stoke, dementia, heart attack, type 2 diabetes, etc from past highly processed foods have put me at risk of experiencing.
Clearly a lifestyle of not cursing, drinking alcohol and doing drugs plus no highly processed carbs/fats like the Blue Zone in CA is awesome but I have not seen research on how it can lower the risks of the above health issues the way Keto/LCHF studies. If a person with a compromised heart can increase its efficiency by 25% by burning fat based foods vs carb based foods then where would be the gain for that person to eat the Blue Zone WOE?
How are you preventing all of these things when you are eating processed foods multiple times a day? McDonald's isnt exactly the most fresh and wholesome.
And yes, blue zones are know for low levels of hear disease and cardiovascular health. Thence being the longest living. You can also look up the evidence on plant based foods and fish. Because that is the blue zone diet.5 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »And to me, this is the problem. All of the keto threads I see eventually end up with "Keto is better because otherwise you are eating nothing but junk carbs and chemicals" and/or "Yes, it all comes down to CICO but keto has other benefits that other WOEs don't". Either of these statements could be true for specific individuals, but not for all. And I'll add the purported health benefits of keto, which I've seen some vague IRL evidence of but not in controlled settings where you can be sure other variables weren't involved, are still being investigated. They are often put forward as facts that anyone in the know is aware of, which is a bit irresponsible IMHO.
And in one of these threads, JUST ONE, I would like for someone to explain to me why keto is all of a sudden the right way for humans to eat, when all of the Blue Zones and other less dramatic but still long-lived and healthy areas of the world eat a higher carb diet of grains, veggies, fruits, and beans with small amounts of fish, meat, nuts, and oil.
While keto has been around for many thousands of years ask yourself why to the Blue Zones not eat processed carbs with added chemicals.
Blue Zones do not live on processed foods containing added sugar and other chemicals. In fact most blue zones have not historically even had access to SAD (Standard American Diet) that is available in the USA today.
I see using the term Blue Zones to support the eating of high carbs in the USA as an integrity fail.
Blue zones also dont consume loads of saturated fats and processed fats like pork rinds, sausage and chicken wings.
So whats your point.
What you just quoted above is my point. Below is more on Blue Zones. What we know is Blue Zones do not live on high carb/fat processed foods that is so common to the posters on MFP.
https://huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/10/23/the-blue-zones-diet-can-help-you-live-longer-and-be-healthier_a_21588550/
Don’t you eat at McDonald’s every morning?
Seldom do I eat breakfast at McDonald's because I start the day with about a 1000-1200 calorie breakfast at home. Yesterday I did eat lunch and supper at McDonald's of their Keto WOE options.
Do you have a personal problem with where people choose to eat Keto/LCHF?
McDonald's is just like Kroger's (USA at least). You can select the WOE you wish.
You eat a lot of saturated fat and processed meat while knocking the blue zones diet. I thought it odd.
Why would you make a fake post like this? Only a fool would knock a blue zone WOE that has been working well for the persons for 100+ years of their lives.
So if you acknowledge that blue zone diets, which are high in carbs but low in saturated fats, are very healthy, then why talk about the superiority of ketogenic diets, why talk about how unhealthy carbs are, how those carbs were killing you? Why not try eating a blue zone diet, with the longevity and health benefits that often result from that lifestyle, since longevity is something that you’ve often discussed as something you’re striving for, living to be 110.
I am only 67 currently and trying to reverse damage I took after 40 years of eating highly processed food high in sugar and fat. I am using Keto to do that and find out why the carbs were leading me to binging on processed foods like I use to eat.
Preventing cancer, stoke, dementia, heart attack, type 2 diabetes, etc from past highly processed foods have put me at risk of experiencing.
Clearly a lifestyle of not cursing, drinking alcohol and doing drugs plus no highly processed carbs/fats like the Blue Zone in CA is awesome but I have not seen research on how it can lower the risks of the above health issues the way Keto/LCHF studies. If a person with a compromised heart can increase its efficiency by 25% by burning fat based foods vs carb based foods then where would be the gain for that person to eat the Blue Zone WOE?
Does generations of people who live to be over 100 and active not count as evidence? Do you have examples of groups of people who have eaten LCHF for an entire lifetime and lived to be over 100?
Studies that show switching from SAD to Keto improves health do not consider any other way of eating, or the long term effects of eating Keto. I'd wager you could switch from SAD to pretty much any reasonably nutritious diet mindful of calories and portion size and reduce your risk of all sorts of disease.
Until there are generations of people who eat Keto for their lifetime and live into a healthy old age with lower risk of lifestyle diseases, I think it's irresponsible to say that Keto is proven to be a healthy WOE. It seems to be healthy short term, and seems to be sustainable for some, and if done wisely is at least an improvement over SAD. As far as I can tell, anything beyond that is still up in the air.9 -
Also, I'm sure there are plenty of studies showing that diets high in fiber, or eating more veggies, or even eating vegetarian improve health markers.5
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GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »And to me, this is the problem. All of the keto threads I see eventually end up with "Keto is better because otherwise you are eating nothing but junk carbs and chemicals" and/or "Yes, it all comes down to CICO but keto has other benefits that other WOEs don't". Either of these statements could be true for specific individuals, but not for all. And I'll add the purported health benefits of keto, which I've seen some vague IRL evidence of but not in controlled settings where you can be sure other variables weren't involved, are still being investigated. They are often put forward as facts that anyone in the know is aware of, which is a bit irresponsible IMHO.
And in one of these threads, JUST ONE, I would like for someone to explain to me why keto is all of a sudden the right way for humans to eat, when all of the Blue Zones and other less dramatic but still long-lived and healthy areas of the world eat a higher carb diet of grains, veggies, fruits, and beans with small amounts of fish, meat, nuts, and oil.
While keto has been around for many thousands of years ask yourself why to the Blue Zones not eat processed carbs with added chemicals.
Blue Zones do not live on processed foods containing added sugar and other chemicals. In fact most blue zones have not historically even had access to SAD (Standard American Diet) that is available in the USA today.
I see using the term Blue Zones to support the eating of high carbs in the USA as an integrity fail.
Blue zones also dont consume loads of saturated fats and processed fats like pork rinds, sausage and chicken wings.
So whats your point.
What you just quoted above is my point. Below is more on Blue Zones. What we know is Blue Zones do not live on high carb/fat processed foods that is so common to the posters on MFP.
https://huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/10/23/the-blue-zones-diet-can-help-you-live-longer-and-be-healthier_a_21588550/
Don’t you eat at McDonald’s every morning?
Seldom do I eat breakfast at McDonald's because I start the day with about a 1000-1200 calorie breakfast at home. Yesterday I did eat lunch and supper at McDonald's of their Keto WOE options.
Do you have a personal problem with where people choose to eat Keto/LCHF?
McDonald's is just like Kroger's (USA at least). You can select the WOE you wish.
You eat a lot of saturated fat and processed meat while knocking the blue zones diet. I thought it odd.
Why would you make a fake post like this? Only a fool would knock a blue zone WOE that has been working well for the persons for 100+ years of their lives.
So if you acknowledge that blue zone diets, which are high in carbs but low in saturated fats, are very healthy, then why talk about the superiority of ketogenic diets, why talk about how unhealthy carbs are, how those carbs were killing you? Why not try eating a blue zone diet, with the longevity and health benefits that often result from that lifestyle, since longevity is something that you’ve often discussed as something you’re striving for, living to be 110.
I am only 67 currently and trying to reverse damage I took after 40 years of eating highly processed food high in sugar and fat. I am using Keto to do that and find out why the carbs were leading me to binging on processed foods like I use to eat.
Preventing cancer, stoke, dementia, heart attack, type 2 diabetes, etc from past highly processed foods have put me at risk of experiencing.
Clearly a lifestyle of not cursing, drinking alcohol and doing drugs plus no highly processed carbs/fats like the Blue Zone in CA is awesome but I have not seen research on how it can lower the risks of the above health issues the way Keto/LCHF studies. If a person with a compromised heart can increase its efficiency by 25% by burning fat based foods vs carb based foods then where would be the gain for that person to eat the Blue Zone WOE?
Does generations of people who live to be over 100 and active not count as evidence? Do you have examples of groups of people who have eaten LCHF for an entire lifetime and lived to be over 100?
Studies that show switching from SAD to Keto improves health do not consider any other way of eating, or the long term effects of eating Keto. I'd wager you could switch from SAD to pretty much any reasonably nutritious diet mindful of calories and portion size and reduce your risk of all sorts of disease.
Until there are generations of people who eat Keto for their lifetime and live into a healthy old age with lower risk of lifestyle diseases, I think it's irresponsible to say that Keto is proven to be a healthy WOE. It seems to be healthy short term, and seems to be sustainable for some, and if done wisely is at least an improvement over SAD. As far as I can tell, anything beyond that is still up in the air.
I'd say that any diet can be healthy or unhealthy. Being keto, just like being vegan, doesnt gaurentee health, especially if one is overweight/obese and/or inactive.3 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »And to me, this is the problem. All of the keto threads I see eventually end up with "Keto is better because otherwise you are eating nothing but junk carbs and chemicals" and/or "Yes, it all comes down to CICO but keto has other benefits that other WOEs don't". Either of these statements could be true for specific individuals, but not for all. And I'll add the purported health benefits of keto, which I've seen some vague IRL evidence of but not in controlled settings where you can be sure other variables weren't involved, are still being investigated. They are often put forward as facts that anyone in the know is aware of, which is a bit irresponsible IMHO.
And in one of these threads, JUST ONE, I would like for someone to explain to me why keto is all of a sudden the right way for humans to eat, when all of the Blue Zones and other less dramatic but still long-lived and healthy areas of the world eat a higher carb diet of grains, veggies, fruits, and beans with small amounts of fish, meat, nuts, and oil.
While keto has been around for many thousands of years ask yourself why to the Blue Zones not eat processed carbs with added chemicals.
Blue Zones do not live on processed foods containing added sugar and other chemicals. In fact most blue zones have not historically even had access to SAD (Standard American Diet) that is available in the USA today.
I see using the term Blue Zones to support the eating of high carbs in the USA as an integrity fail.
Blue zones also dont consume loads of saturated fats and processed fats like pork rinds, sausage and chicken wings.
So whats your point.
What you just quoted above is my point. Below is more on Blue Zones. What we know is Blue Zones do not live on high carb/fat processed foods that is so common to the posters on MFP.
https://huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/10/23/the-blue-zones-diet-can-help-you-live-longer-and-be-healthier_a_21588550/
Don’t you eat at McDonald’s every morning?
Seldom do I eat breakfast at McDonald's because I start the day with about a 1000-1200 calorie breakfast at home. Yesterday I did eat lunch and supper at McDonald's of their Keto WOE options.
Do you have a personal problem with where people choose to eat Keto/LCHF?
McDonald's is just like Kroger's (USA at least). You can select the WOE you wish.
You eat a lot of saturated fat and processed meat while knocking the blue zones diet. I thought it odd.
Why would you make a fake post like this? Only a fool would knock a blue zone WOE that has been working well for the persons for 100+ years of their lives.
So if you acknowledge that blue zone diets, which are high in carbs but low in saturated fats, are very healthy, then why talk about the superiority of ketogenic diets, why talk about how unhealthy carbs are, how those carbs were killing you? Why not try eating a blue zone diet, with the longevity and health benefits that often result from that lifestyle, since longevity is something that you’ve often discussed as something you’re striving for, living to be 110.
I am only 67 currently and trying to reverse damage I took after 40 years of eating highly processed food high in sugar and fat. I am using Keto to do that and find out why the carbs were leading me to binging on processed foods like I use to eat.
Preventing cancer, stoke, dementia, heart attack, type 2 diabetes, etc from past highly processed foods have put me at risk of experiencing.
Clearly a lifestyle of not cursing, drinking alcohol and doing drugs plus no highly processed carbs/fats like the Blue Zone in CA is awesome but I have not seen research on how it can lower the risks of the above health issues the way Keto/LCHF studies. If a person with a compromised heart can increase its efficiency by 25% by burning fat based foods vs carb based foods then where would be the gain for that person to eat the Blue Zone WOE?
Does generations of people who live to be over 100 and active not count as evidence? Do you have examples of groups of people who have eaten LCHF for an entire lifetime and lived to be over 100?
Studies that show switching from SAD to Keto improves health do not consider any other way of eating, or the long term effects of eating Keto. I'd wager you could switch from SAD to pretty much any reasonably nutritious diet mindful of calories and portion size and reduce your risk of all sorts of disease.
Until there are generations of people who eat Keto for their lifetime and live into a healthy old age with lower risk of lifestyle diseases, I think it's irresponsible to say that Keto is proven to be a healthy WOE. It seems to be healthy short term, and seems to be sustainable for some, and if done wisely is at least an improvement over SAD. As far as I can tell, anything beyond that is still up in the air.
I'd say that any diet can be healthy or unhealthy. Being keto, just like being vegan, doesnt gaurentee health, especially if one is overweight/obese and/or inactive.
I totally agree any diet can be unhealthy, but I'm still not sure any diet can be healthy long term. But I'm an old fogey set in my ways with a lifetime of bad advice rattling around in my brain, and I can't deny that bias with a straight face
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My opinion? I think this diet was originally designed with specific medical issues in mind - medical issues which I do not personally have.
I get great results without putting a bunch of strict limits and rules on my eating, and I'm not interested in adding any additional complications to my life. A lot of people feel like they have to make things complicated in order to feel like they are doing something legit. I don't have that need, and I like to keep things simple and easy. Plus, I'm big into my athletic activities, and a lack of carbs makes me evil cranky. I could never sustain that. I need all the serotonin I can get.
But I'm cool with live and let live. I'm also a big fan of doing what works for the individual. If Keto does it for you, that's great. Who am I to say what's best for everyone?
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when I worked at a nursing home one of the residents was 106 and ate what she wanted and got around pretty good for he age. she couldnt hear though she went deaf over the years(she could read lips).but when she died she was like 110, she was on no special diet at all. she still ate her meals without needing then blended up like some of the residents. she needed help cutting things up of course.cant say exactly why she was in there. could be that her son was a dr and didnt have the time? I dont know. but she loved her treats too. this was in the mid 90s.
point is she had no know health issues eating that way all her life.could be possibly that she has a normal weight and obtained it all of her life(there were many pics).2 -
I have not read this entire thread as it is quite long but from what I can see there is little understanding of the keto diet here. I have been in ketosis for over a year and I have lost 110 pounds. The diet really is the only solution for individuals with insulin resistance to successfully lose weight and regain a healthy metabolism. I was diabetic with high cholesterol and high blood pressure. I now have perfect numbers with the exception of the scale but that number keeps going down.
The only way to be successful with keto is to focus on the food you can eat and understand that many of us are basically allergic to sugar. If you were allergic to peanuts you would avoid them wouldn't you?
It takes some getting used to but after two weeks or so it gets much easier.
Is it the diet for everyone? Probably not but calories in calories out is not either. Calorie restriction will eventually lower your BMR and weight loss will stop.
The fundamental truth behind keto is that your body cannot burn fat when it is in fat storage mode which is what happens in the presence of insulin. Insulin is produced when you consume carbs. If you continually have carbs available you will never be in a state where you can burn fat because you will continually have insulin present in your system.
Being low carb becomes easy in time. I regularly go out with friends and family and succeed in staying low carb without putting anyone out. Again, it's low carb. Not NO carb. The first month or so you should be under 20 net carbs to get yourself firmly into ketosis but after that you can have days when you have 50 net carbs without kicking yourself out of ketosis. Just don't do it day after day.
Tonight I went out with a friend and had Chinese. Stuck to dishes which were meat and veg and asked them to go easy on the starch. No fuss and no social awkwardness.
I am sure that some will take exception to some or all of this but hey it's working for me and many others.
Oh, and I am doing this under the supervision of a medical doctor and they are thrilled with my progress.
Insulin is actually produced 24/7 to control natural releases of glycogen by the liver during normal function, as well as in response to stress. Your body doesn't just shut it off and start again.8 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »And to me, this is the problem. All of the keto threads I see eventually end up with "Keto is better because otherwise you are eating nothing but junk carbs and chemicals" and/or "Yes, it all comes down to CICO but keto has other benefits that other WOEs don't". Either of these statements could be true for specific individuals, but not for all. And I'll add the purported health benefits of keto, which I've seen some vague IRL evidence of but not in controlled settings where you can be sure other variables weren't involved, are still being investigated. They are often put forward as facts that anyone in the know is aware of, which is a bit irresponsible IMHO.
And in one of these threads, JUST ONE, I would like for someone to explain to me why keto is all of a sudden the right way for humans to eat, when all of the Blue Zones and other less dramatic but still long-lived and healthy areas of the world eat a higher carb diet of grains, veggies, fruits, and beans with small amounts of fish, meat, nuts, and oil.
While keto has been around for many thousands of years ask yourself why to the Blue Zones not eat processed carbs with added chemicals.
Blue Zones do not live on processed foods containing added sugar and other chemicals. In fact most blue zones have not historically even had access to SAD (Standard American Diet) that is available in the USA today.
I see using the term Blue Zones to support the eating of high carbs in the USA as an integrity fail.
Blue zones also dont consume loads of saturated fats and processed fats like pork rinds, sausage and chicken wings.
So whats your point.
What you just quoted above is my point. Below is more on Blue Zones. What we know is Blue Zones do not live on high carb/fat processed foods that is so common to the posters on MFP.
https://huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/10/23/the-blue-zones-diet-can-help-you-live-longer-and-be-healthier_a_21588550/
Don’t you eat at McDonald’s every morning?
Seldom do I eat breakfast at McDonald's because I start the day with about a 1000-1200 calorie breakfast at home. Yesterday I did eat lunch and supper at McDonald's of their Keto WOE options.
Do you have a personal problem with where people choose to eat Keto/LCHF?
McDonald's is just like Kroger's (USA at least). You can select the WOE you wish.
You eat a lot of saturated fat and processed meat while knocking the blue zones diet. I thought it odd.
Why would you make a fake post like this? Only a fool would knock a blue zone WOE that has been working well for the persons for 100+ years of their lives.
So if you acknowledge that blue zone diets, which are high in carbs but low in saturated fats, are very healthy, then why talk about the superiority of ketogenic diets, why talk about how unhealthy carbs are, how those carbs were killing you? Why not try eating a blue zone diet, with the longevity and health benefits that often result from that lifestyle, since longevity is something that you’ve often discussed as something you’re striving for, living to be 110.
I am only 67 currently and trying to reverse damage I took after 40 years of eating highly processed food high in sugar and fat. I am using Keto to do that and find out why the carbs were leading me to binging on processed foods like I use to eat.
Preventing cancer, stoke, dementia, heart attack, type 2 diabetes, etc from past highly processed foods have put me at risk of experiencing.
Clearly a lifestyle of not cursing, drinking alcohol and doing drugs plus no highly processed carbs/fats like the Blue Zone in CA is awesome but I have not seen research on how it can lower the risks of the above health issues the way Keto/LCHF studies. If a person with a compromised heart can increase its efficiency by 25% by burning fat based foods vs carb based foods then where would be the gain for that person to eat the Blue Zone WOE?
Does generations of people who live to be over 100 and active not count as evidence? Do you have examples of groups of people who have eaten LCHF for an entire lifetime and lived to be over 100?
Studies that show switching from SAD to Keto improves health do not consider any other way of eating, or the long term effects of eating Keto. I'd wager you could switch from SAD to pretty much any reasonably nutritious diet mindful of calories and portion size and reduce your risk of all sorts of disease.
Until there are generations of people who eat Keto for their lifetime and live into a healthy old age with lower risk of lifestyle diseases, I think it's irresponsible to say that Keto is proven to be a healthy WOE. It seems to be healthy short term, and seems to be sustainable for some, and if done wisely is at least an improvement over SAD. As far as I can tell, anything beyond that is still up in the air.
I'd say that any diet can be healthy or unhealthy. Being keto, just like being vegan, doesnt gaurentee health, especially if one is overweight/obese and/or inactive.
I’d be hard pressed to think that high fat diets are healthy. I’m old though. I know my doctor wants me to eat with a lower fat intake, a more balanced approach. She said more vegetables and less fat.4 -
Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »And to me, this is the problem. All of the keto threads I see eventually end up with "Keto is better because otherwise you are eating nothing but junk carbs and chemicals" and/or "Yes, it all comes down to CICO but keto has other benefits that other WOEs don't". Either of these statements could be true for specific individuals, but not for all. And I'll add the purported health benefits of keto, which I've seen some vague IRL evidence of but not in controlled settings where you can be sure other variables weren't involved, are still being investigated. They are often put forward as facts that anyone in the know is aware of, which is a bit irresponsible IMHO.
And in one of these threads, JUST ONE, I would like for someone to explain to me why keto is all of a sudden the right way for humans to eat, when all of the Blue Zones and other less dramatic but still long-lived and healthy areas of the world eat a higher carb diet of grains, veggies, fruits, and beans with small amounts of fish, meat, nuts, and oil.
While keto has been around for many thousands of years ask yourself why to the Blue Zones not eat processed carbs with added chemicals.
Blue Zones do not live on processed foods containing added sugar and other chemicals. In fact most blue zones have not historically even had access to SAD (Standard American Diet) that is available in the USA today.
I see using the term Blue Zones to support the eating of high carbs in the USA as an integrity fail.
Blue zones also dont consume loads of saturated fats and processed fats like pork rinds, sausage and chicken wings.
So whats your point.
What you just quoted above is my point. Below is more on Blue Zones. What we know is Blue Zones do not live on high carb/fat processed foods that is so common to the posters on MFP.
https://huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/10/23/the-blue-zones-diet-can-help-you-live-longer-and-be-healthier_a_21588550/
Don’t you eat at McDonald’s every morning?
Seldom do I eat breakfast at McDonald's because I start the day with about a 1000-1200 calorie breakfast at home. Yesterday I did eat lunch and supper at McDonald's of their Keto WOE options.
Do you have a personal problem with where people choose to eat Keto/LCHF?
McDonald's is just like Kroger's (USA at least). You can select the WOE you wish.
You eat a lot of saturated fat and processed meat while knocking the blue zones diet. I thought it odd.
Why would you make a fake post like this? Only a fool would knock a blue zone WOE that has been working well for the persons for 100+ years of their lives.
So if you acknowledge that blue zone diets, which are high in carbs but low in saturated fats, are very healthy, then why talk about the superiority of ketogenic diets, why talk about how unhealthy carbs are, how those carbs were killing you? Why not try eating a blue zone diet, with the longevity and health benefits that often result from that lifestyle, since longevity is something that you’ve often discussed as something you’re striving for, living to be 110.
I am only 67 currently and trying to reverse damage I took after 40 years of eating highly processed food high in sugar and fat. I am using Keto to do that and find out why the carbs were leading me to binging on processed foods like I use to eat.
Preventing cancer, stoke, dementia, heart attack, type 2 diabetes, etc from past highly processed foods have put me at risk of experiencing.
Clearly a lifestyle of not cursing, drinking alcohol and doing drugs plus no highly processed carbs/fats like the Blue Zone in CA is awesome but I have not seen research on how it can lower the risks of the above health issues the way Keto/LCHF studies. If a person with a compromised heart can increase its efficiency by 25% by burning fat based foods vs carb based foods then where would be the gain for that person to eat the Blue Zone WOE?
Does generations of people who live to be over 100 and active not count as evidence? Do you have examples of groups of people who have eaten LCHF for an entire lifetime and lived to be over 100?
Studies that show switching from SAD to Keto improves health do not consider any other way of eating, or the long term effects of eating Keto. I'd wager you could switch from SAD to pretty much any reasonably nutritious diet mindful of calories and portion size and reduce your risk of all sorts of disease.
Until there are generations of people who eat Keto for their lifetime and live into a healthy old age with lower risk of lifestyle diseases, I think it's irresponsible to say that Keto is proven to be a healthy WOE. It seems to be healthy short term, and seems to be sustainable for some, and if done wisely is at least an improvement over SAD. As far as I can tell, anything beyond that is still up in the air.
I'd say that any diet can be healthy or unhealthy. Being keto, just like being vegan, doesnt gaurentee health, especially if one is overweight/obese and/or inactive.
I’d be hard pressed to think that high fat diets are healthy. I’m old though. I know my doctor wants me to eat with a lower fat intake, a more balanced approach. She said more vegetables and less fat.
Not all fats are the same, just like not all carbs have the same benfits. A diet high in plant based fats, as well as omega 3s have been demonstrated over and over to be beneficial for metabolic markers.
And there is plenty of evidence to support improved metabolic markers with even low carb or high fat diets, often equal to that of higher carb, plant based diets.
IMO, getting away from ultra processed foods and increasing fibrous foods, healthy fats and lean proteins is the way to go.7 -
Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »And to me, this is the problem. All of the keto threads I see eventually end up with "Keto is better because otherwise you are eating nothing but junk carbs and chemicals" and/or "Yes, it all comes down to CICO but keto has other benefits that other WOEs don't". Either of these statements could be true for specific individuals, but not for all. And I'll add the purported health benefits of keto, which I've seen some vague IRL evidence of but not in controlled settings where you can be sure other variables weren't involved, are still being investigated. They are often put forward as facts that anyone in the know is aware of, which is a bit irresponsible IMHO.
And in one of these threads, JUST ONE, I would like for someone to explain to me why keto is all of a sudden the right way for humans to eat, when all of the Blue Zones and other less dramatic but still long-lived and healthy areas of the world eat a higher carb diet of grains, veggies, fruits, and beans with small amounts of fish, meat, nuts, and oil.
While keto has been around for many thousands of years ask yourself why to the Blue Zones not eat processed carbs with added chemicals.
Blue Zones do not live on processed foods containing added sugar and other chemicals. In fact most blue zones have not historically even had access to SAD (Standard American Diet) that is available in the USA today.
I see using the term Blue Zones to support the eating of high carbs in the USA as an integrity fail.
Blue zones also dont consume loads of saturated fats and processed fats like pork rinds, sausage and chicken wings.
So whats your point.
What you just quoted above is my point. Below is more on Blue Zones. What we know is Blue Zones do not live on high carb/fat processed foods that is so common to the posters on MFP.
https://huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/10/23/the-blue-zones-diet-can-help-you-live-longer-and-be-healthier_a_21588550/
Don’t you eat at McDonald’s every morning?
Seldom do I eat breakfast at McDonald's because I start the day with about a 1000-1200 calorie breakfast at home. Yesterday I did eat lunch and supper at McDonald's of their Keto WOE options.
Do you have a personal problem with where people choose to eat Keto/LCHF?
McDonald's is just like Kroger's (USA at least). You can select the WOE you wish.
You eat a lot of saturated fat and processed meat while knocking the blue zones diet. I thought it odd.
Why would you make a fake post like this? Only a fool would knock a blue zone WOE that has been working well for the persons for 100+ years of their lives.
So if you acknowledge that blue zone diets, which are high in carbs but low in saturated fats, are very healthy, then why talk about the superiority of ketogenic diets, why talk about how unhealthy carbs are, how those carbs were killing you? Why not try eating a blue zone diet, with the longevity and health benefits that often result from that lifestyle, since longevity is something that you’ve often discussed as something you’re striving for, living to be 110.
I am only 67 currently and trying to reverse damage I took after 40 years of eating highly processed food high in sugar and fat. I am using Keto to do that and find out why the carbs were leading me to binging on processed foods like I use to eat.
Preventing cancer, stoke, dementia, heart attack, type 2 diabetes, etc from past highly processed foods have put me at risk of experiencing.
Clearly a lifestyle of not cursing, drinking alcohol and doing drugs plus no highly processed carbs/fats like the Blue Zone in CA is awesome but I have not seen research on how it can lower the risks of the above health issues the way Keto/LCHF studies. If a person with a compromised heart can increase its efficiency by 25% by burning fat based foods vs carb based foods then where would be the gain for that person to eat the Blue Zone WOE?
Does generations of people who live to be over 100 and active not count as evidence? Do you have examples of groups of people who have eaten LCHF for an entire lifetime and lived to be over 100?
Studies that show switching from SAD to Keto improves health do not consider any other way of eating, or the long term effects of eating Keto. I'd wager you could switch from SAD to pretty much any reasonably nutritious diet mindful of calories and portion size and reduce your risk of all sorts of disease.
Until there are generations of people who eat Keto for their lifetime and live into a healthy old age with lower risk of lifestyle diseases, I think it's irresponsible to say that Keto is proven to be a healthy WOE. It seems to be healthy short term, and seems to be sustainable for some, and if done wisely is at least an improvement over SAD. As far as I can tell, anything beyond that is still up in the air.
I'd say that any diet can be healthy or unhealthy. Being keto, just like being vegan, doesnt gaurentee health, especially if one is overweight/obese and/or inactive.
I’d be hard pressed to think that high fat diets are healthy. I’m old though. I know my doctor wants me to eat with a lower fat intake, a more balanced approach. She said more vegetables and less fat.
Not all fats are the same, just like not all carbs have the same benfits. A diet high in plant based fats, as well as omega 3s have been demonstrated over and over to be beneficial for metabolic markers.
And there is plenty of evidence to support improved metabolic markers with even low carb or high fat diets, often equal to that of higher carb, plant based diets.
IMO, getting away from ultra processed foods and increasing fibrous foods, healthy fats and lean proteins is the way to go.
That is my thought too. Sausage patties and bacon are not for me. Once in awhile they are okay but I prefer fats from olive or avocado oil.2 -
Any WOE that fits your fancy is fine for one in my books because it is not my place to tell others how to eat. The kids will turn 21 this fall and I would to live to see grandkids have kids. As I noted I was doing keto before I knew I was doing keto. It is working to resolve major health issues for me and the science is strong. 33% of my high school graduating class are dead already all eating SAD. Eating in a way that can help reduce the odds of most of the diet related killers is about all I can do. Accidents with heavy equipment, tractors and vehicles are my major concerns actually as my WOE is reversing physical limitations and I am more mobile and feel better.
Sounds like some of you have not looked at the menu in the last 40 years pull they have the best coffee in town.
Going to get in my 1/4 mile walk and may go for a 1/4 pounder or go to bed. My son put a power steering pump and had to work with a scout group this weekend. The engine will start and run but not speed up when pressing down on the gas. My guess is something was not connected correctly but I have not found any issue. It is a Ford Five Hundred car 2006 with the 3.0 V6. If any gear heads have a thought PM me. Cars and people health issues are not simple most often.
Best to each in learning your way forward as to finding and tweaking the WOE that works best for you. Do not be self limited by bad web WOE advice for sure. I can read how many of you are evolving forward in a positive way and that is very exciting. All of the advice that I read from doctors contains some advice that is not best for me but over time things can click. If you have a Coronary Artery Calcium score of 1400 vs zero is just one reason two people may need different Ways Of Eating because taking a score of 1400 back down towards Zero would be a hard but important. Locally the testing is $100 when you self order it and pay cash. In Nashville TN I have seen $50 promotions.
Once one decides to not die prematurely due to a bad WOE better ways of eating will reveal themselves to that person it seems. The brain does not want to die and will guide our eating if we will just listen to the messages from our gut and head brains.11 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »And to me, this is the problem. All of the keto threads I see eventually end up with "Keto is better because otherwise you are eating nothing but junk carbs and chemicals" and/or "Yes, it all comes down to CICO but keto has other benefits that other WOEs don't". Either of these statements could be true for specific individuals, but not for all. And I'll add the purported health benefits of keto, which I've seen some vague IRL evidence of but not in controlled settings where you can be sure other variables weren't involved, are still being investigated. They are often put forward as facts that anyone in the know is aware of, which is a bit irresponsible IMHO.
And in one of these threads, JUST ONE, I would like for someone to explain to me why keto is all of a sudden the right way for humans to eat, when all of the Blue Zones and other less dramatic but still long-lived and healthy areas of the world eat a higher carb diet of grains, veggies, fruits, and beans with small amounts of fish, meat, nuts, and oil.
While keto has been around for many thousands of years ask yourself why to the Blue Zones not eat processed carbs with added chemicals.
Blue Zones do not live on processed foods containing added sugar and other chemicals. In fact most blue zones have not historically even had access to SAD (Standard American Diet) that is available in the USA today.
I see using the term Blue Zones to support the eating of high carbs in the USA as an integrity fail.
Blue zones also dont consume loads of saturated fats and processed fats like pork rinds, sausage and chicken wings.
So whats your point.
What you just quoted above is my point. Below is more on Blue Zones. What we know is Blue Zones do not live on high carb/fat processed foods that is so common to the posters on MFP.
https://huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/10/23/the-blue-zones-diet-can-help-you-live-longer-and-be-healthier_a_21588550/
Don’t you eat at McDonald’s every morning?
Seldom do I eat breakfast at McDonald's because I start the day with about a 1000-1200 calorie breakfast at home. Yesterday I did eat lunch and supper at McDonald's of their Keto WOE options.
Do you have a personal problem with where people choose to eat Keto/LCHF?
McDonald's is just like Kroger's (USA at least). You can select the WOE you wish.
You eat a lot of saturated fat and processed meat while knocking the blue zones diet. I thought it odd.
Why would you make a fake post like this? Only a fool would knock a blue zone WOE that has been working well for the persons for 100+ years of their lives.
Except that you're claiming that You're eating at McDonald's in order toto reverse damage I took after 40 years of eating highly processed food high in sugar and fat.
Confused or ironic or misplaced your bridge...4 -
My seizures decreased on keto diet (I have epilepsy).2
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KrazyKrissyy wrote: »My seizures decreased on keto diet (I have epilepsy).
keto was designed for those with epilepsy, but they used a higher protein level. but now people use it for all kinds of things. it has been shown to help those with PCOS,insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes. but a lot of the other studies arent conclusive yet.0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »And to me, this is the problem. All of the keto threads I see eventually end up with "Keto is better because otherwise you are eating nothing but junk carbs and chemicals" and/or "Yes, it all comes down to CICO but keto has other benefits that other WOEs don't". Either of these statements could be true for specific individuals, but not for all. And I'll add the purported health benefits of keto, which I've seen some vague IRL evidence of but not in controlled settings where you can be sure other variables weren't involved, are still being investigated. They are often put forward as facts that anyone in the know is aware of, which is a bit irresponsible IMHO.
And in one of these threads, JUST ONE, I would like for someone to explain to me why keto is all of a sudden the right way for humans to eat, when all of the Blue Zones and other less dramatic but still long-lived and healthy areas of the world eat a higher carb diet of grains, veggies, fruits, and beans with small amounts of fish, meat, nuts, and oil.
While keto has been around for many thousands of years ask yourself why to the Blue Zones not eat processed carbs with added chemicals.
Blue Zones do not live on processed foods containing added sugar and other chemicals. In fact most blue zones have not historically even had access to SAD (Standard American Diet) that is available in the USA today.
I see using the term Blue Zones to support the eating of high carbs in the USA as an integrity fail.
Blue zones also dont consume loads of saturated fats and processed fats like pork rinds, sausage and chicken wings.
So whats your point.
What you just quoted above is my point. Below is more on Blue Zones. What we know is Blue Zones do not live on high carb/fat processed foods that is so common to the posters on MFP.
https://huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/10/23/the-blue-zones-diet-can-help-you-live-longer-and-be-healthier_a_21588550/
Don’t you eat at McDonald’s every morning?
Seldom do I eat breakfast at McDonald's because I start the day with about a 1000-1200 calorie breakfast at home. Yesterday I did eat lunch and supper at McDonald's of their Keto WOE options.
Do you have a personal problem with where people choose to eat Keto/LCHF?
McDonald's is just like Kroger's (USA at least). You can select the WOE you wish.
You eat a lot of saturated fat and processed meat while knocking the blue zones diet. I thought it odd.
Why would you make a fake post like this? Only a fool would knock a blue zone WOE that has been working well for the persons for 100+ years of their lives.
Except that you're claiming that You're eating at McDonald's in order toto reverse damage I took after 40 years of eating highly processed food high in sugar and fat.
Confused or ironic or misplaced your bridge...
Now you know that is not what I claim. I eat keto/LCHF to reverse my health issues and hopefully prevent new ones. I do that in many places. Other than the first cup of the day I do drink coffee most days at McDonald's and eat off their LCHF menu there. One of the owners has lost weight doing LCHF and we talk some. CookOut is my favorite place and have known the owner of that chain all of my life and his uncle was my Junior Boys Sunday School teacher but I had to give up grilled burgers before LCHF fixed my 30+ years of IBS and other health issues. Maybe I should retest grilled beef at some point. Making sure meat is cooked at less than 350 F is important to me to help reduce cancer risks.13 -
KrazyKrissyy wrote: »My seizures decreased on keto diet (I have epilepsy).
That is awesome. I may share this with my pastor's wife but she as been well controlled for a long time but the meds are not without issues but that is a boat that I would not want to rock as a lay person.
Did keto let you adjust any meds if you were taking any?
I am concerned with the risk of dementia and cataracts associated with carb diets is another reason I am sticking with this way of eat. Last year the Optometrist said at the rate my lens were changing 5-6 years ago he would have thought I would have had surgery soon back then but he said he guess it must be my way of eating that has arrested the development of cataracts because the lens have not worsen over the last several. I know cataract surgery is simple but out of the UK came some research stating on average people of more or less equal health lived about 2 years less than those not needing cataract surgery but the reason was unknown but I guess it may be the known risks of a high carb high fat WOE.
Have you been eating Keto for very long yet? Hope for the best. Several of us if not all keto eaters are going it for health reasons as far as I know.11 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »[...] LCHF fixed my 30+ years of IBS and other health issues.
Losing weight fixes all that.
Or did you do LCHF and not lose weight?4 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »KrazyKrissyy wrote: »My seizures decreased on keto diet (I have epilepsy).
That is awesome. I may share this with my pastor's wife but she as been well controlled for a long time but the meds are not without issues but that is a boat that I would not want to rock as a lay person.
Did keto let you adjust any meds if you were taking any?
I am concerned with the risk of dementia and cataracts associated with carb diets is another reason I am sticking with this way of eat. Last year the Optometrist said at the rate my lens were changing 5-6 years ago he would have thought I would have had surgery soon back then but he said he guess it must be my way of eating that has arrested the development of cataracts because the lens have not worsen over the last several. I know cataract surgery is simple but out of the UK came some research stating on average people of more or less equal health lived about 2 years less than those not needing cataract surgery but the reason was unknown but I guess it may be the known risks of a high carb high fat WOE.
Have you been eating Keto for very long yet? Hope for the best. Several of us if not all keto eaters are going it for health reasons as far as I know.
I'm taking lower doses now. I've been doing keto for around a year. The only downfall (in my keto experience) is I gained almost 40 pounds. During my lowest weight, I was vegan and a volume eater, also ate lots of processed foods (seizures were more frequent though).2 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »[...] LCHF fixed my 30+ years of IBS and other health issues.
Losing weight fixes all that.
Or did you do LCHF and not lose weight?
I was losing inches but did not lose the first pound until day 45. I think it was keto helping resolve my leaking gut that helped resolve the IBS. One day about six months in it just hit me I had control over when 'HAD' to find a toilet sooner than later. In my case it was cutting out the carbs from sugar and grains that helped the most with body inflammation. I not sure why carbs cause such inflammation in my body but I am off of medium to high carbs for life without feeling restricted diet wish.12 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »[...] LCHF fixed my 30+ years of IBS and other health issues.
Losing weight fixes all that.
Or did you do LCHF and not lose weight?
I was losing inches but did not lose the first pound until day 45. I think it was keto helping resolve my leaking gut that helped resolve the IBS. One day about six months in it just hit me I had control over when 'HAD' to find a toilet sooner than later. In my case it was cutting out the carbs from sugar and grains that helped the most with body inflammation. I not sure why carbs cause such inflammation in my body but I am off of medium to high carbs for life without feeling restricted diet wish.
Are you feeling OK? That string of words was not at all coherent. Have you got someone to talk to in person to check you're OK?
You can't have had a leaking gut or you'd be dead from septicemia. Carbs don't cause inflammation. You're using woo buzzwords and not forming proper sentences.
Again, this is a very unusual thought process, and I hope you have support where you live. I don't think this message board is helpful for you. Best wishes.14 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »[...] LCHF fixed my 30+ years of IBS and other health issues.
Losing weight fixes all that.
Or did you do LCHF and not lose weight?
I was losing inches but did not lose the first pound until day 45. I think it was keto helping resolve my leaking gut that helped resolve the IBS. One day about six months in it just hit me I had control over when 'HAD' to find a toilet sooner than later. In my case it was cutting out the carbs from sugar and grains that helped the most with body inflammation. I not sure why carbs cause such inflammation in my body but I am off of medium to high carbs for life without feeling restricted diet wish.
First, leaky gut is not a real disease. But also, so now you have IBS? About a year ago, you said you have IBD. It seems like you are making up conditions to help support the "benefits" of ketogenic which is a bit misleading.9 -
My sister had (has -- she controls it with food choice, her issues are various raw fruits and veg) IBS. She was extra thin when she did not have it under control (she's in great shape now, and has never been overweight), because eating caused her pain.
Eating the stuff Gale claims to have eaten pre his no grains and sugar thing probably would have been okay for her, since no vegetables, but obviously no vegetables isn't ideal for health (and the diet Gale describes isn't recommended by anyway, so is weird to suggest as the main alternative to keto). Gale's self-described diet also seems to be very low fiber (both then and now), and my sister did find that fiber is helpful for her (just not all possible sources of fiber). But IBS is pretty variable.
I do note that prior accounts did not include Gale having IBS, so that's interesting.2 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »My sister had (has -- she controls it with food choice, her issues are various raw fruits and veg) IBS. She was extra thin when she did not have it under control (she's in great shape now, and has never been overweight), because eating caused her pain.
Eating the stuff Gale claims to have eaten pre his no grains and sugar thing probably would have been okay for her, since no vegetables, but obviously no vegetables isn't ideal for health (and the diet Gale describes isn't recommended by anyway, so is weird to suggest as the main alternative to keto). Gale's self-described diet also seems to be very low fiber (both then and now), and my sister did find that fiber is helpful for her (just not all possible sources of fiber). But IBS is pretty variable.
I do note that prior accounts did not include Gale having IBS, so that's interesting.
Very true. Sadly people forget how well we know each other after having these discussions hundreds of time.8 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »[...] LCHF fixed my 30+ years of IBS and other health issues.
Losing weight fixes all that.
Or did you do LCHF and not lose weight?
I was losing inches but did not lose the first pound until day 45. I think it was keto helping resolve my leaking gut that helped resolve the IBS. One day about six months in it just hit me I had control over when 'HAD' to find a toilet sooner than later. In my case it was cutting out the carbs from sugar and grains that helped the most with body inflammation. I not sure why carbs cause such inflammation in my body but I am off of medium to high carbs for life without feeling restricted diet wish.
First, leaky gut is not a real disease. But also, so now you have IBS? About a year ago, you said you have IBD. It seems like you are making up conditions to help support the "benefits" of ketogenic which is a bit misleading.
No it was IBS at first and one day he upped the ante and changed it to IBD which I called him out on. He definitely DOES NOT have IBD.3 -
singingflutelady wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »[...] LCHF fixed my 30+ years of IBS and other health issues.
Losing weight fixes all that.
Or did you do LCHF and not lose weight?
I was losing inches but did not lose the first pound until day 45. I think it was keto helping resolve my leaking gut that helped resolve the IBS. One day about six months in it just hit me I had control over when 'HAD' to find a toilet sooner than later. In my case it was cutting out the carbs from sugar and grains that helped the most with body inflammation. I not sure why carbs cause such inflammation in my body but I am off of medium to high carbs for life without feeling restricted diet wish.
First, leaky gut is not a real disease. But also, so now you have IBS? About a year ago, you said you have IBD. It seems like you are making up conditions to help support the "benefits" of ketogenic which is a bit misleading.
No it was IBS at first and one day he upped the ante and changed it to IBD which I called him out on. He definitely DOES NOT have IBD.
Very good memory @singingflutelady. IBD is not something I ever had per any MD but it was on IBS. Thanks.6 -
https://webmd.com/digestive-disorders/features/leaky-gut-syndrome#1
I can understand this subject is new to many of you as it was to me but I suggest you at least start learning about to help reduce the odds of making misleading medical statements in a public forum while the full medical community learns more.
Below is more of a lay article on the subject painted with a broad brush yet it can get one some points to start
Googling.
healthywomen.org/content/blog-entry/10-signs-you-have-leaky-gut%E2%80%94and-how-heal-it
For one that wants to dive deeper the below link may be a good point to start.
https://mayoclinic.org/medical-professionals/clinical-updates/digestive-diseases/pcle-helps-visualize-changes-in-gut-permeability
As you can read the cause of this syndrome may be many and the reason some yet do not call it by name yet.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »https://webmd.com/digestive-disorders/features/leaky-gut-syndrome#1
I can understand this subject is new to many of you as it was to me but I suggest you at least start learning about to help reduce the odds of making misleading medical statements in a public forum while the full medical community learns more.
Below is more of a lay article on the subject painted with a broad brush yet it can get one some points to start
Googling.
healthywomen.org/content/blog-entry/10-signs-you-have-leaky-gut%E2%80%94and-how-heal-it
For one that wants to dive deeper the below link may be a good point to start.
https://mayoclinic.org/medical-professionals/clinical-updates/digestive-diseases/pcle-helps-visualize-changes-in-gut-permeability
As you can read the cause of this syndrome may be many and the reason some yet do not call it by name yet.
Apparently eating at Mcdonald's is doing no good to your brain.4 -
Leaky gut is a fake disease "diagnosed" by quacks such as naturopaths and chiropractors. Neither one of the links here include any evidence to back up the claims. And its just one bit of evidence showing you firmly grounded in the world of pseudoscience. There is nothing misleading about pointing out that leaky gut is a fake disease.GaleHawkins wrote: »https://webmd.com/digestive-disorders/features/leaky-gut-syndrome#1
I can understand this subject is new to many of you as it was to me but I suggest you at least start learning about to help reduce the odds of making misleading medical statements in a public forum while the full medical community learns more.
Below is more of a lay article on the subject painted with a broad brush yet it can get one some points to start
Googling.
healthywomen.org/content/blog-entry/10-signs-you-have-leaky-gut%E2%80%94and-how-heal-it
This link discusses intestinal permeability, which is real. It doesn't mention the fake disease known as leaky gut at all.For one that wants to dive deeper the below link may be a good point to start.
https://mayoclinic.org/medical-professionals/clinical-updates/digestive-diseases/pcle-helps-visualize-changes-in-gut-permeability
Since it is a fake disease there are no causes of it. Like I said, the only ones who diagnose fake diseases such as leaky guy are quacks.As you can read the cause of this syndrome may be many and the reason some yet do not call it by name yet.
And for the umpteenth time, intestinal permeablility is not the same as leaky gut. Intestinal permeability is real, but it is the result of some other condition, such as Crohn's. Intestinal permeability doesn't cause other disease. The quacks like to take a real clinical condition and invent a sub-clinical version of and voila, you have a fake disease. The quacks claim that leaky gut causes all sorts of problems like autoimmune diseases, cancer, and anything else that can fleece their patients for. The problem there is zero evidence to support their BS claims.
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