Opinions on the keto diet??
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carbs causing cataracts? my grandparents both ate carb rich diets and they only needed glasses for reading. neither one even when they were in their 80s had cataracts or the need for glasses 24/7. you do know that babies can be born with cataracts as well correct? I dont know what kind of woo you are reading Gale but its the highest amount of woo I have ever heard. I also have RA and guess what? eating carbs even processed ones do not cause me any inflammation that I can tell. my pain levels and how I feel is no different than it was 5 years ago.being overweight can cause inflammation, certain diseases can cause inflammation.5
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In the case of diabetes, high blood glucose certainly can cause or is linked to vision issues.0
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In the case of diabetes, high blood glucose certainly can cause or is linked to vision issues.
we arent talking about diabetes though. yes I know diabetes can cause eye/vision problems.many times though those issues are caused when you arent treating it properly(not always but most). I had a great uncle(my grandpas brother) who was diabetic and while growing up every time I would see him he would be missing some body parts because he would not take his meds or watch what he ate. he didnt get cataracts either, but not saying that he couldnt have.
he just lost toes,then a foot,then a leg and so on. He wasnt overweight either so not sure if he had type 1 or 2. I was a small kid. either way he didnt treat his diabetes properly and that was the repercussions of not taking care of himself.
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The Ketogenic diet was used for children who had epilepsy(seizures) and seemed to help them. It helped many reduce seizures. But later studies were done on these kids to see what kinds if effects it had on these children as they matured into adulthood.My opinion? I think this diet was originally designed with specific medical issues in mind - medical issues which I do not personally have.
I get great results without putting a bunch of strict limits and rules on my eating, and I'm not interested in adding any additional complications to my life. A lot of people feel like they have to make things complicated in order to feel like they are doing something legit. I don't have that need, and I like to keep things simple and easy. Plus, I'm big into my athletic activities, and a lack of carbs makes me evil cranky. I could never sustain that. I need all the serotonin I can get.
But I'm cool with live and let live. I'm also a big fan of doing what works for the individual. If Keto does it for you, that's great. Who am I to say what's best for everyone?
I don't have the link but will look for it and post it here unless someone else finds it for me. The results were not good long-term health wise.
https://www.news-medical.net/health/Ketogenic-Diet-Side-Effects.aspx0 -
only a personal opinion.... how can all that fat be good for your heart... yes you will lose weight but at what expense...... lots of fruit and veggies... some whole grains... some lean meat from time to time... and the bottom line is to burn more calories than you take in... its simple math.... good luck on what ever you do.....7
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willnorton wrote: »only a personal opinion.... how can all that fat be good for your heart... yes you will lose weight but at what expense...... lots of fruit and veggies... some whole grains... some lean meat from time to time... and the bottom line is to burn more calories than you take in... its simple math.... good luck on what ever you do.....
In a way I agree, although I haven't seen any strong studies about long term keto and what high saturated fats can do to a body long term. I would be curious to know if it would cause any damage.0 -
willnorton wrote: »only a personal opinion.... how can all that fat be good for your heart... yes you will lose weight but at what expense...... lots of fruit and veggies... some whole grains... some lean meat from time to time... and the bottom line is to burn more calories than you take in... its simple math.... good luck on what ever you do.....
Because fat isnt bad for you. Its a myth that fat isnt food for you, especially when discussing MUFA/PUFA/Omega 35 -
Interesting article on the keto diet. Pros, cons, benefits, risks, who should avoid it, etc.
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/keto-diet-is-gaining-popularity-but-is-it-safe-121914#10 -
willnorton wrote: »only a personal opinion.... how can all that fat be good for your heart... yes you will lose weight but at what expense...... lots of fruit and veggies... some whole grains... some lean meat from time to time... and the bottom line is to burn more calories than you take in... its simple math.... good luck on what ever you do.....
In a way I agree, although I haven't seen any strong studies about long term keto and what high saturated fats can do to a body long term. I would be curious to know if it would cause any damage.
go to you tube and watch some videos with Dr. Michael Greger... he will give you the studies and dates and who did the studies abotu what saturated fat does to your heart adn body..he has them named so you can actually read them if you like.... I have type 2 diabetes and all i have ever read is that a diabetic cant eat carbs... well i have learned different... it is working for me.. a plant based way of eating... it might not work for all people but it is for me...i feel 1000% better... blood pressure problems gone... lower leg edema gone... blood sugar numbers coming into normal.... afib problems are a thing of the past...... so it works for me... let me know if you would like to talk more about it7 -
willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »only a personal opinion.... how can all that fat be good for your heart... yes you will lose weight but at what expense...... lots of fruit and veggies... some whole grains... some lean meat from time to time... and the bottom line is to burn more calories than you take in... its simple math.... good luck on what ever you do.....
In a way I agree, although I haven't seen any strong studies about long term keto and what high saturated fats can do to a body long term. I would be curious to know if it would cause any damage.
go to you tube and watch some videos with Dr. Michael Greger... he will give you the studies and dates and who did the studies abotu what saturated fat does to your heart adn body..he has them named so you can actually read them if you like.... I have type 2 diabetes and all i have ever read is that a diabetic cant eat carbs... well i have learned different... it is working for me.. a plant based way of eating... it might not work for all people but it is for me...i feel 1000% better... blood pressure problems gone... lower leg edema gone... blood sugar numbers coming into normal.... afib problems are a thing of the past...... so it works for me... let me know if you would like to talk more about it
Michael Greger is known for his faith to plant based dieting. Not exactly an unbiased source.4 -
The Keto Diet Is Gaining Popularity, but Is It Safe?
A new twist on extreme weight loss is catching on in some parts of the United States. It’s called the "keto diet."
People promoting the diet say it uses the body’s own fat burning system to help people lose significant weight in as little as 10 days.
It has also been known to help moderate the symptoms of children with epilepsy, although experts are not quite sure why it works.
Proponents say the diet can produce quick weight loss and provide a person with more energy.
However, critics say the diet is an unhealthy way to lose weight and in some instances it can be downright dangerous.
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What Is Ketosis?
The “keto” diet is any extremely low- or no-carbohydrate diet that forces the body into a state of ketosis.
Ketosis occurs when people eat a low- or no-carb diet and molecules called ketones build up in their bloodstream.
Low carbohydrate levels cause blood sugar levels to drop and the body begins breaking down fat to use as energy.
Ketosis is actually a mild form of ketoacidosis. Ketoacidosis mostly affects people with type 1 diabetes. In fact, it is the leading cause of death of people with diabetes who are under 24 years of age.
However, many experts say ketosis itself is not necessarily harmful.
Some studies, in fact, suggest that a ketogenic diet is safe for significantly overweight or obese people.
However, other clinical reviews point out that patients on low-carbohydrate diets regain some of their lost weight within a year.
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Where It’s Helpful
The keto diet was created by Dr. Gianfranco Cappello, an associate professor of surgery at the Sapienza University in Rome, Italy.
He claims great success among thousands of users. In his study, more than 19,000 dieters experienced significant, rapid weight loss, few side effects, and most kept the weight off after a year.
According to the reported results, patients lost an average of 10.2 kilograms, or about 22 pounds, after 2.5 cycles of the keto diet. Cappello concluded that the diet was a successful way for overweight and obese people to lose weight, and the few side effects, such as fatigue, are easily managed.
Bette Klein, a registered dietitian at Cleveland Clinic Children’s Hospital, has used the keto diet for years to help ease the symptoms of children with epilepsy.
She told Healthline it is particularly effective with children with refractory epilepsy who have not responded well to at least two different drug treatments.
Klein said about half of these children who go on the diet see a reduction in the number of seizures they have.
The dietitian said, however, that medical professionals are not sure why the diet works in these cases.
“There is not a clear definition of what is happening,” she said.
Rudy Mawer, a sports nutritionist, has also found some success with the keto type of diet.
He said he uses this low-carb approach with some people who have trouble losing weight. He also has high performing athletes on the plan.
Mawer told Healthline there are a number of benefits to the program.
One benefit is its quick results. People can lose some initial weight rapidly and that, in turn, helps encourage them.
“You can get motivated by this weight loss,” he said.
He added the keto diet is simple in concept. It eliminates a food group, making it easier for people to follow.
He said the diet also makes people feel full despite having fewer calories and it gives them more energy. That’s because, he said, people are giving up their sluggish diet of processed foods. He added the keto diet keeps blood sugar levels stable, which produces a more stable flow of energy.
Mawer notes there are some drawbacks.
He said the diet would not necessarily improve athletic performance, a fact that may discourage some athletes.
He added people need to adhere closely to the program or it will not work.
“It is a very strict diet,” said Mawer. “You have to do everything right.”
Every individual, he notes, is different and will react differently to such a program.
“What’s great for one person can be horrible for another person,” he said.
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When It’s Unhealthy
Critics say the keto-type diets usually work only in the short term and can be unhealthy.
For starters, most of the lost weight is water weight, according to Lisa Cimperman, R.D.N., a clinical dietitian at University Hospitals Case Medical Center in Cleveland, Ohio, and a spokesperson for the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics.
“Once your body enters ketosis, you also begin to lose muscle, become extremely fatigued, and eventually enter starvation mode. Then it actually becomes even harder to lose weight,” Cimperman told Healthline.
Mawer said he doesn’t believe the keto diet causes muscle loss. He did caution it’s not optimal for someone trying to gain muscle.
Other experts interviewed by Healthline had stronger words of caution.
“Keto diets should only be used under clinical supervision and only for brief periods,” Francine Blinten, R.D., a certified clinical nutritionist and public health consultant in Old Greenwich, Connecticut, told Healthline. “They have worked successfully on some cancer patients in conjunction with chemotherapy to shrink tumors and to reduce seizures among people suffering from epilepsy.”
In the general population, Blinten said a keto diet should only be considered in extreme cases.
“It can do more harm than good. It can damage the heart, which is also a muscle,” she explained.
Anyone with type 2 diabetes can benefit from weight loss and a reduced-carb diet because it will improve insulin sensitivity, Cimperman explained.
“But there are many other ways to do it besides a fad diet that won’t keep weight off long-term,” she said.
Blinten, who has used a keto diet for some cancer patients in specific circumstances, cautioned, “people will do anything to get the weight off.” However, a keto diet will do more harm than good for the majority of patients, especially if they have any underlying kidney or liver issues.
“People are using this for cosmetic reasons, but it’s so extreme that it’s dangerous,” she said.
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The Feeding Tube Approach
Some have taken the keto diet a step further, using a feeding tube inserted into the esophagus through the nose.
Dieters adhere to a strict 800-calorie high-protein, no-carb diet administered through the tube by a slow-drip pump mechanism. Only black coffee, tea, or water is allowed in addition to the liquid diet.
A Florida doctor, Oliver Di Pietro, has been offering this tube diet to anyone who can pay the $1,500 cost. According to a 2012 local news report, Di Pietro learned of the diet while on a trip to Italy. He insists the keto diet is safe and effective, even for those wanting to shed just a few pounds.
“This is a ridiculous approach to weight loss,” said Cimperman.
With an 800-calorie-a-day diet, “you’re essentially starving yourself,” Cimperman said. “Of course you will drop weight.”
Anything under a 1,200-calorie daily diet is considered a starvation diet and is not meant for long-term weight loss.
Tube feeding is a legitimate tool in a hospital setting, she explained.
“Someone who is on a ventilator, or can’t swallow because of a stroke or cancer, might have to eat this way. But it’s usually used as a last resort,” she said.
“In an otherwise healthy individual it can create serious complications, including infections if the tube gets contaminated, increased sodium levels, and it can cause dehydration and constipation,” Cimperman added. “What would even possess people to want to walk around with a tube up their nose?”
Melinda Hemmelgarn, a registered dietitian in Columbia, Missouri, and host of the Food Sleuth radio show, told Healthline, “It’s crazy to consider sticking a tube down your nose to lose weight. It sounds to me like somebody is making a lot of money on someone else’s vulnerabilities. Just say no to this idea.”
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Don’t Become Weight Obsessed
Hemmelgarn advised anyone thinking of going on a fad diet to “keep food in perspective. It’s a gift. It’s how we nourish ourselves and stay well.”
Marketing this diet to brides just plays into our weight-obsessed society, according to Hemmelgarn.
Instead, anyone preparing for marriage should nourish herself well, engage in plenty of physical activity like walking, jogging, or bike riding, and be good to herself by eating fresh, whole, minimally processed organic foods.
There is no magic bullet for long-term weight loss, said Blinten. For long-term weight control, a Mediterranean style diet focused on fruit, vegetables, whole grains, beans, fish, and olive oil, is one that can be healthy for life.
“We fall prey to wacko diets, but the truth is there’s no quick fix,” Blinten said. “Cutting refined carbs and replacing them with fresh fruits, vegetables, and lean protein, cutting processed foods, and avoiding too many additives will keep you healthy in the long term.”
Cimperman said the healthiest approach to weight loss is to set realistic goals and ask yourself if your diet plan is:
good for the long term
includes exercise
meets your long-term health goals.
If the answers are no, then that is a red flag, she cautioned.
Blinten advised dieters not to skip meals because your body goes into overdrive the next time you eat. That can actually cause you to eat more, not less. She suggested eating your largest meal at midday, then having a healthy afternoon snack.
“It keeps your metabolism and insulin levels more regular,” she explained.
Exercise, of course, is also vitally important. Every pound of muscle equals 50 calories burned, so a plan that includes a muscle enhancing regimen will help you reach your goal faster.
Hemmelgarn added, “Stay away from fashion magazines. They make us feel inadequate. If you are even considering this insane approach to weight loss, go for a walk … right now! It’ll clear your head.”
this was an article from web site Healthline... not sure the date... sorry is it is too long.. and boring..6 -
willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »only a personal opinion.... how can all that fat be good for your heart... yes you will lose weight but at what expense...... lots of fruit and veggies... some whole grains... some lean meat from time to time... and the bottom line is to burn more calories than you take in... its simple math.... good luck on what ever you do.....
In a way I agree, although I haven't seen any strong studies about long term keto and what high saturated fats can do to a body long term. I would be curious to know if it would cause any damage.
go to you tube and watch some videos with Dr. Michael Greger... he will give you the studies and dates and who did the studies abotu what saturated fat does to your heart adn body..he has them named so you can actually read them if you like.... I have type 2 diabetes and all i have ever read is that a diabetic cant eat carbs... well i have learned different... it is working for me.. a plant based way of eating... it might not work for all people but it is for me...i feel 1000% better... blood pressure problems gone... lower leg edema gone... blood sugar numbers coming into normal.... afib problems are a thing of the past...... so it works for me... let me know if you would like to talk more about it
Michael Greger is known for he faith to plant based dieting. Not exactly an unbiased source.
you are right there..... but from what i have seen he will give an opinion and then tell you what study he got it from.. and all studies are available to read... then you can see who funded the study.....2 -
the fat burned in a keto diet is dietary fat. body fat is lost in a deficit no matter how you eat. the reason people lose so much at first is due to water loss and you are depleting your glycogen stores. its not all fat loss. you cannot burn body fat any faster doing keto than you can any other way of eating.7
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willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »only a personal opinion.... how can all that fat be good for your heart... yes you will lose weight but at what expense...... lots of fruit and veggies... some whole grains... some lean meat from time to time... and the bottom line is to burn more calories than you take in... its simple math.... good luck on what ever you do.....
In a way I agree, although I haven't seen any strong studies about long term keto and what high saturated fats can do to a body long term. I would be curious to know if it would cause any damage.
go to you tube and watch some videos with Dr. Michael Greger... he will give you the studies and dates and who did the studies abotu what saturated fat does to your heart adn body..he has them named so you can actually read them if you like.... I have type 2 diabetes and all i have ever read is that a diabetic cant eat carbs... well i have learned different... it is working for me.. a plant based way of eating... it might not work for all people but it is for me...i feel 1000% better... blood pressure problems gone... lower leg edema gone... blood sugar numbers coming into normal.... afib problems are a thing of the past...... so it works for me... let me know if you would like to talk more about it
Michael Greger is known for he faith to plant based dieting. Not exactly an unbiased source.
you are right there..... but from what i have seen he will give an opinion and then tell you what study he got it from.. and all studies are available to read... then you can see who funded the study.....
Oh i get that but he is going to focus on the ones that support his bias. Its why I wouldn't follow a person who only advocates one dietary approach.
Honestly, there are benefits of many diets. Limiting to only a plant based diet is limiting some benefits of other diets.
Personally, i focus on whole foods, work on getting 20g + of fiber, incorporate whole grains, lean proteins and plenty of seafood.5 -
willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »only a personal opinion.... how can all that fat be good for your heart... yes you will lose weight but at what expense...... lots of fruit and veggies... some whole grains... some lean meat from time to time... and the bottom line is to burn more calories than you take in... its simple math.... good luck on what ever you do.....
In a way I agree, although I haven't seen any strong studies about long term keto and what high saturated fats can do to a body long term. I would be curious to know if it would cause any damage.
go to you tube and watch some videos with Dr. Michael Greger... he will give you the studies and dates and who did the studies abotu what saturated fat does to your heart adn body..he has them named so you can actually read them if you like.... I have type 2 diabetes and all i have ever read is that a diabetic cant eat carbs... well i have learned different... it is working for me.. a plant based way of eating... it might not work for all people but it is for me...i feel 1000% better... blood pressure problems gone... lower leg edema gone... blood sugar numbers coming into normal.... afib problems are a thing of the past...... so it works for me... let me know if you would like to talk more about it
Michael Greger is known for he faith to plant based dieting. Not exactly an unbiased source.
you are right there..... but from what i have seen he will give an opinion and then tell you what study he got it from.. and all studies are available to read... then you can see who funded the study.....
Oh i get that but he is going to focus on the ones that support his bias. Its why I wouldn't follow a person who only advocates one dietary approach.
Honestly, there are benefits of many diets. Limiting to only a plant based diet is limiting some benefits of other diets.
Personally, i focus on whole foods, work on getting 20g + of fiber, incorporate whole grains, lean proteins and plenty of seafood.
that is basically what i follow.. i do like greger... but i think our body needs all the food groups... you just got to find what works for you... but bottom line, to lose weight, you got to burn more calories than you take in... right???2 -
willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »only a personal opinion.... how can all that fat be good for your heart... yes you will lose weight but at what expense...... lots of fruit and veggies... some whole grains... some lean meat from time to time... and the bottom line is to burn more calories than you take in... its simple math.... good luck on what ever you do.....
In a way I agree, although I haven't seen any strong studies about long term keto and what high saturated fats can do to a body long term. I would be curious to know if it would cause any damage.
go to you tube and watch some videos with Dr. Michael Greger... he will give you the studies and dates and who did the studies abotu what saturated fat does to your heart adn body..he has them named so you can actually read them if you like.... I have type 2 diabetes and all i have ever read is that a diabetic cant eat carbs... well i have learned different... it is working for me.. a plant based way of eating... it might not work for all people but it is for me...i feel 1000% better... blood pressure problems gone... lower leg edema gone... blood sugar numbers coming into normal.... afib problems are a thing of the past...... so it works for me... let me know if you would like to talk more about it
Even though I am not a big fan of keto, citing some doctor on youtube isn't convincing enough for me to see the dangers of keto long term. If there were meta analysis, that's a different story, but as of now, I haven't heard much about that aspect and it would be tough to determine if in the long run it's sustainable or not for the body.3 -
willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »only a personal opinion.... how can all that fat be good for your heart... yes you will lose weight but at what expense...... lots of fruit and veggies... some whole grains... some lean meat from time to time... and the bottom line is to burn more calories than you take in... its simple math.... good luck on what ever you do.....
In a way I agree, although I haven't seen any strong studies about long term keto and what high saturated fats can do to a body long term. I would be curious to know if it would cause any damage.
go to you tube and watch some videos with Dr. Michael Greger... he will give you the studies and dates and who did the studies abotu what saturated fat does to your heart adn body..he has them named so you can actually read them if you like.... I have type 2 diabetes and all i have ever read is that a diabetic cant eat carbs... well i have learned different... it is working for me.. a plant based way of eating... it might not work for all people but it is for me...i feel 1000% better... blood pressure problems gone... lower leg edema gone... blood sugar numbers coming into normal.... afib problems are a thing of the past...... so it works for me... let me know if you would like to talk more about it
Even though I am not a big fan of keto, citing some doctor on youtube isn't convincing enough for me to see the dangers of keto long term. If there were meta analysis, that's a different story, but as of now, I haven't heard much about that aspect and it would be tough to determine if in the long run it's sustainable or not for the body.
all the meta analysis material is available on his page... go read it for yourself.... then maybe you will believe... i cant transport the information into your brain...2 -
willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »only a personal opinion.... how can all that fat be good for your heart... yes you will lose weight but at what expense...... lots of fruit and veggies... some whole grains... some lean meat from time to time... and the bottom line is to burn more calories than you take in... its simple math.... good luck on what ever you do.....
In a way I agree, although I haven't seen any strong studies about long term keto and what high saturated fats can do to a body long term. I would be curious to know if it would cause any damage.
go to you tube and watch some videos with Dr. Michael Greger... he will give you the studies and dates and who did the studies abotu what saturated fat does to your heart adn body..he has them named so you can actually read them if you like.... I have type 2 diabetes and all i have ever read is that a diabetic cant eat carbs... well i have learned different... it is working for me.. a plant based way of eating... it might not work for all people but it is for me...i feel 1000% better... blood pressure problems gone... lower leg edema gone... blood sugar numbers coming into normal.... afib problems are a thing of the past...... so it works for me... let me know if you would like to talk more about it
Even though I am not a big fan of keto, citing some doctor on youtube isn't convincing enough for me to see the dangers of keto long term. If there were meta analysis, that's a different story, but as of now, I haven't heard much about that aspect and it would be tough to determine if in the long run it's sustainable or not for the body.
all the meta analysis material is available on his page... go read it for yourself.... then maybe you will believe... i cant transport the information into your brain...
www.nutritionfacts.org3 -
willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »only a personal opinion.... how can all that fat be good for your heart... yes you will lose weight but at what expense...... lots of fruit and veggies... some whole grains... some lean meat from time to time... and the bottom line is to burn more calories than you take in... its simple math.... good luck on what ever you do.....
In a way I agree, although I haven't seen any strong studies about long term keto and what high saturated fats can do to a body long term. I would be curious to know if it would cause any damage.
go to you tube and watch some videos with Dr. Michael Greger... he will give you the studies and dates and who did the studies abotu what saturated fat does to your heart adn body..
Keto is high fat, but it doesn't have to be high sat fat, and you can eat a decent amount of vegetables.
It's not my preferred way to eat, but I don't think there's anything showing that higher fat diets inherently are bad for us.2 -
willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »only a personal opinion.... how can all that fat be good for your heart... yes you will lose weight but at what expense...... lots of fruit and veggies... some whole grains... some lean meat from time to time... and the bottom line is to burn more calories than you take in... its simple math.... good luck on what ever you do.....
In a way I agree, although I haven't seen any strong studies about long term keto and what high saturated fats can do to a body long term. I would be curious to know if it would cause any damage.
go to you tube and watch some videos with Dr. Michael Greger... he will give you the studies and dates and who did the studies abotu what saturated fat does to your heart adn body..he has them named so you can actually read them if you like.... I have type 2 diabetes and all i have ever read is that a diabetic cant eat carbs... well i have learned different... it is working for me.. a plant based way of eating... it might not work for all people but it is for me...i feel 1000% better... blood pressure problems gone... lower leg edema gone... blood sugar numbers coming into normal.... afib problems are a thing of the past...... so it works for me... let me know if you would like to talk more about it
Even though I am not a big fan of keto, citing some doctor on youtube isn't convincing enough for me to see the dangers of keto long term. If there were meta analysis, that's a different story, but as of now, I haven't heard much about that aspect and it would be tough to determine if in the long run it's sustainable or not for the body.
all the meta analysis material is available on his page... go read it for yourself.... then maybe you will believe... i cant transport the information into your brain...
www.nutritionfacts.org
nutritionfacts.org is a vegan propaganda site. The name couldn't possibly be more misleading.7 -
willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »only a personal opinion.... how can all that fat be good for your heart... yes you will lose weight but at what expense...... lots of fruit and veggies... some whole grains... some lean meat from time to time... and the bottom line is to burn more calories than you take in... its simple math.... good luck on what ever you do.....
In a way I agree, although I haven't seen any strong studies about long term keto and what high saturated fats can do to a body long term. I would be curious to know if it would cause any damage.
go to you tube and watch some videos with Dr. Michael Greger... he will give you the studies and dates and who did the studies abotu what saturated fat does to your heart adn body..he has them named so you can actually read them if you like.... I have type 2 diabetes and all i have ever read is that a diabetic cant eat carbs... well i have learned different... it is working for me.. a plant based way of eating... it might not work for all people but it is for me...i feel 1000% better... blood pressure problems gone... lower leg edema gone... blood sugar numbers coming into normal.... afib problems are a thing of the past...... so it works for me... let me know if you would like to talk more about it
Even though I am not a big fan of keto, citing some doctor on youtube isn't convincing enough for me to see the dangers of keto long term. If there were meta analysis, that's a different story, but as of now, I haven't heard much about that aspect and it would be tough to determine if in the long run it's sustainable or not for the body.
all the meta analysis material is available on his page... go read it for yourself.... then maybe you will believe... i cant transport the information into your brain...
www.nutritionfacts.org
nutritionfacts.org is a vegan propaganda site. The name couldn't possibly be more misleading.
and that would be your personal opinion and nothing more12 -
willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »only a personal opinion.... how can all that fat be good for your heart... yes you will lose weight but at what expense...... lots of fruit and veggies... some whole grains... some lean meat from time to time... and the bottom line is to burn more calories than you take in... its simple math.... good luck on what ever you do.....
In a way I agree, although I haven't seen any strong studies about long term keto and what high saturated fats can do to a body long term. I would be curious to know if it would cause any damage.
go to you tube and watch some videos with Dr. Michael Greger... he will give you the studies and dates and who did the studies abotu what saturated fat does to your heart adn body..he has them named so you can actually read them if you like.... I have type 2 diabetes and all i have ever read is that a diabetic cant eat carbs... well i have learned different... it is working for me.. a plant based way of eating... it might not work for all people but it is for me...i feel 1000% better... blood pressure problems gone... lower leg edema gone... blood sugar numbers coming into normal.... afib problems are a thing of the past...... so it works for me... let me know if you would like to talk more about it
Even though I am not a big fan of keto, citing some doctor on youtube isn't convincing enough for me to see the dangers of keto long term. If there were meta analysis, that's a different story, but as of now, I haven't heard much about that aspect and it would be tough to determine if in the long run it's sustainable or not for the body.
all the meta analysis material is available on his page... go read it for yourself.... then maybe you will believe... i cant transport the information into your brain...
www.nutritionfacts.org
nutritionfacts.org is a vegan propaganda site. The name couldn't possibly be more misleading.
and that would be your personal opinion and nothing more
Just like that website is a personal opinion and not facts.11 -
willnorton wrote: »only a personal opinion.... how can all that fat be good for your heart... yes you will lose weight but at what expense...... lots of fruit and veggies... some whole grains... some lean meat from time to time... and the bottom line is to burn more calories than you take in... its simple math.... good luck on what ever you do.....
Because fat isnt bad for you. Its a myth that fat isnt food for you, especially when discussing MUFA/PUFA/Omega 3
But does "Fat isn't bad for you, and you need a certain amount of fat to be healthy" necessarily mean "A high fat diet is healthy"?
It's an honest question, not trying to argue at all.9 -
willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »only a personal opinion.... how can all that fat be good for your heart... yes you will lose weight but at what expense...... lots of fruit and veggies... some whole grains... some lean meat from time to time... and the bottom line is to burn more calories than you take in... its simple math.... good luck on what ever you do.....
In a way I agree, although I haven't seen any strong studies about long term keto and what high saturated fats can do to a body long term. I would be curious to know if it would cause any damage.
go to you tube and watch some videos with Dr. Michael Greger... he will give you the studies and dates and who did the studies abotu what saturated fat does to your heart adn body..he has them named so you can actually read them if you like.... I have type 2 diabetes and all i have ever read is that a diabetic cant eat carbs... well i have learned different... it is working for me.. a plant based way of eating... it might not work for all people but it is for me...i feel 1000% better... blood pressure problems gone... lower leg edema gone... blood sugar numbers coming into normal.... afib problems are a thing of the past...... so it works for me... let me know if you would like to talk more about it
Even though I am not a big fan of keto, citing some doctor on youtube isn't convincing enough for me to see the dangers of keto long term. If there were meta analysis, that's a different story, but as of now, I haven't heard much about that aspect and it would be tough to determine if in the long run it's sustainable or not for the body.
all the meta analysis material is available on his page... go read it for yourself.... then maybe you will believe... i cant transport the information into your brain...
I looked on his website and couldn't find any meta-analysis. Since you know so much more than the rest of us and have a good handle on his website,. Why don't you just post one or two studies about the dangers of keto?3 -
willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »only a personal opinion.... how can all that fat be good for your heart... yes you will lose weight but at what expense...... lots of fruit and veggies... some whole grains... some lean meat from time to time... and the bottom line is to burn more calories than you take in... its simple math.... good luck on what ever you do.....
In a way I agree, although I haven't seen any strong studies about long term keto and what high saturated fats can do to a body long term. I would be curious to know if it would cause any damage.
go to you tube and watch some videos with Dr. Michael Greger... he will give you the studies and dates and who did the studies abotu what saturated fat does to your heart adn body..he has them named so you can actually read them if you like.... I have type 2 diabetes and all i have ever read is that a diabetic cant eat carbs... well i have learned different... it is working for me.. a plant based way of eating... it might not work for all people but it is for me...i feel 1000% better... blood pressure problems gone... lower leg edema gone... blood sugar numbers coming into normal.... afib problems are a thing of the past...... so it works for me... let me know if you would like to talk more about it
Even though I am not a big fan of keto, citing some doctor on youtube isn't convincing enough for me to see the dangers of keto long term. If there were meta analysis, that's a different story, but as of now, I haven't heard much about that aspect and it would be tough to determine if in the long run it's sustainable or not for the body.
all the meta analysis material is available on his page... go read it for yourself.... then maybe you will believe... i cant transport the information into your brain...
www.nutritionfacts.org
nutritionfacts.org is a vegan propaganda site. The name couldn't possibly be more misleading.
and that would be your personal opinion and nothing more
Just like that website is a personal opinion and not facts.
im going to tell you one more time... the web site has the official reports on it.. you can read them word for word... its NOT HIS OPINION.... i keep saying its the official research papers that were done NOT by him.. he reads them on his site.. he didnt do the research.... whats up with you few not understanding that/// Im trying.... i have been on a low carb diet for most of my adult life and have had ups and downs with it.... im just saying, he shows the proof... and my numbers are proof for me.. and i guess that is what counts... it might not work for everyone...10 -
willnorton wrote: »only a personal opinion.... how can all that fat be good for your heart... yes you will lose weight but at what expense...... lots of fruit and veggies... some whole grains... some lean meat from time to time... and the bottom line is to burn more calories than you take in... its simple math.... good luck on what ever you do.....
Because fat isnt bad for you. Its a myth that fat isnt food for you, especially when discussing MUFA/PUFA/Omega 3
But does "Fat isn't bad for you, and you need a certain amount of fat to be healthy" necessarily mean "A high fat diet is healthy"?
It's an honest question, not trying to argue at all.
I think there is some evidence to support a high fat diet can be healthy, but i do think there are limitations on the amount of evidence available.
This is almost like the question are high protein diets bad long term.2 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cheryldumais wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »
I think most of us see the woo button as "that's nonsense". I rarely ever use the woo button unless I think someone is pushing an unhealthy/dangerous plan on someone else or the community at large. Some use it as woo hoo but I don't really think that was the intention by the programmers.
Never heard anyone say "woo" as "that's nonsense". Woo is meant to be woo-hoo.
woo
n.(or adj), the way a person is when they uncritically believe unsubstantiated or unfounded ideas. Short for "woo woo".(See Russell's definition of woo woo)
Shirley believes that in a past life she was the Jolly Green Giant of Rainbowland. Shirley is very woo.
science20.com/cool-links/bertrand_russell%E2%80%99s_teapot_ghost_woo_reasoning_has_wisdom-84934
Your source is interesting.
Seems like woo means more or less what the writer/reader wants it to mean.
https://urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=woo
what do you think it means when people click it on your posts?5 -
willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »willnorton wrote: »only a personal opinion.... how can all that fat be good for your heart... yes you will lose weight but at what expense...... lots of fruit and veggies... some whole grains... some lean meat from time to time... and the bottom line is to burn more calories than you take in... its simple math.... good luck on what ever you do.....
In a way I agree, although I haven't seen any strong studies about long term keto and what high saturated fats can do to a body long term. I would be curious to know if it would cause any damage.
go to you tube and watch some videos with Dr. Michael Greger... he will give you the studies and dates and who did the studies abotu what saturated fat does to your heart adn body..he has them named so you can actually read them if you like.... I have type 2 diabetes and all i have ever read is that a diabetic cant eat carbs... well i have learned different... it is working for me.. a plant based way of eating... it might not work for all people but it is for me...i feel 1000% better... blood pressure problems gone... lower leg edema gone... blood sugar numbers coming into normal.... afib problems are a thing of the past...... so it works for me... let me know if you would like to talk more about it
Even though I am not a big fan of keto, citing some doctor on youtube isn't convincing enough for me to see the dangers of keto long term. If there were meta analysis, that's a different story, but as of now, I haven't heard much about that aspect and it would be tough to determine if in the long run it's sustainable or not for the body.
all the meta analysis material is available on his page... go read it for yourself.... then maybe you will believe... i cant transport the information into your brain...
www.nutritionfacts.org
nutritionfacts.org is a vegan propaganda site. The name couldn't possibly be more misleading.
and that would be your personal opinion and nothing more
Just like that website is a personal opinion and not facts.
im going to tell you one more time... the web site has the official reports on it.. you can read them word for word... its NOT HIS OPINION.... i keep saying its the official research papers that were done NOT by him.. he reads them on his site.. he didnt do the research.... whats up with you few not understanding that/// Im trying.... i have been on a low carb diet for most of my adult life and have had ups and downs with it.... im just saying, he shows the proof... and my numbers are proof for me.. and i guess that is what counts... it might not work for everyone...
Have you read the papers he's talking about and understand them well enough that you know what he says the papers say is actually what they say?
Have you looked at other sources and found that the papers he talks about are representative of the science on the subject overall?
It's piss-easy to take a study and make up some conclusions that the study doesn't make. It's equally piss-easy to search and list only studies that support your stance even if there's an equal or greater amount of studies that say the opposite.4 -
willnorton wrote: »The Keto Diet Is Gaining Popularity, but Is It Safe?
A new twist on extreme weight loss is catching on in some parts of the United States. It’s called the "keto diet."
People promoting the diet say it uses the body’s own fat burning system to help people lose significant weight in as little as 10 days.
It has also been known to help moderate the symptoms of children with epilepsy, although experts are not quite sure why it works.
Proponents say the diet can produce quick weight loss and provide a person with more energy.
However, critics say the diet is an unhealthy way to lose weight and in some instances it can be downright dangerous.
Read More: What is the “Caveman Diet?” »
What Is Ketosis?
The “keto” diet is any extremely low- or no-carbohydrate diet that forces the body into a state of ketosis.
Ketosis occurs when people eat a low- or no-carb diet and molecules called ketones build up in their bloodstream.
Low carbohydrate levels cause blood sugar levels to drop and the body begins breaking down fat to use as energy.
Ketosis is actually a mild form of ketoacidosis. Ketoacidosis mostly affects people with type 1 diabetes. In fact, it is the leading cause of death of people with diabetes who are under 24 years of age.
However, many experts say ketosis itself is not necessarily harmful.
Some studies, in fact, suggest that a ketogenic diet is safe for significantly overweight or obese people.
However, other clinical reviews point out that patients on low-carbohydrate diets regain some of their lost weight within a year.
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Where It’s Helpful
The keto diet was created by Dr. Gianfranco Cappello, an associate professor of surgery at the Sapienza University in Rome, Italy.
He claims great success among thousands of users. In his study, more than 19,000 dieters experienced significant, rapid weight loss, few side effects, and most kept the weight off after a year.
According to the reported results, patients lost an average of 10.2 kilograms, or about 22 pounds, after 2.5 cycles of the keto diet. Cappello concluded that the diet was a successful way for overweight and obese people to lose weight, and the few side effects, such as fatigue, are easily managed.
Bette Klein, a registered dietitian at Cleveland Clinic Children’s Hospital, has used the keto diet for years to help ease the symptoms of children with epilepsy.
She told Healthline it is particularly effective with children with refractory epilepsy who have not responded well to at least two different drug treatments.
Klein said about half of these children who go on the diet see a reduction in the number of seizures they have.
The dietitian said, however, that medical professionals are not sure why the diet works in these cases.
“There is not a clear definition of what is happening,” she said.
Rudy Mawer, a sports nutritionist, has also found some success with the keto type of diet.
He said he uses this low-carb approach with some people who have trouble losing weight. He also has high performing athletes on the plan.
Mawer told Healthline there are a number of benefits to the program.
One benefit is its quick results. People can lose some initial weight rapidly and that, in turn, helps encourage them.
“You can get motivated by this weight loss,” he said.
He added the keto diet is simple in concept. It eliminates a food group, making it easier for people to follow.
He said the diet also makes people feel full despite having fewer calories and it gives them more energy. That’s because, he said, people are giving up their sluggish diet of processed foods. He added the keto diet keeps blood sugar levels stable, which produces a more stable flow of energy.
Mawer notes there are some drawbacks.
He said the diet would not necessarily improve athletic performance, a fact that may discourage some athletes.
He added people need to adhere closely to the program or it will not work.
“It is a very strict diet,” said Mawer. “You have to do everything right.”
Every individual, he notes, is different and will react differently to such a program.
“What’s great for one person can be horrible for another person,” he said.
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When It’s Unhealthy
Critics say the keto-type diets usually work only in the short term and can be unhealthy.
For starters, most of the lost weight is water weight, according to Lisa Cimperman, R.D.N., a clinical dietitian at University Hospitals Case Medical Center in Cleveland, Ohio, and a spokesperson for the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics.
“Once your body enters ketosis, you also begin to lose muscle, become extremely fatigued, and eventually enter starvation mode. Then it actually becomes even harder to lose weight,” Cimperman told Healthline.
Mawer said he doesn’t believe the keto diet causes muscle loss. He did caution it’s not optimal for someone trying to gain muscle.
Other experts interviewed by Healthline had stronger words of caution.
“Keto diets should only be used under clinical supervision and only for brief periods,” Francine Blinten, R.D., a certified clinical nutritionist and public health consultant in Old Greenwich, Connecticut, told Healthline. “They have worked successfully on some cancer patients in conjunction with chemotherapy to shrink tumors and to reduce seizures among people suffering from epilepsy.”
In the general population, Blinten said a keto diet should only be considered in extreme cases.
“It can do more harm than good. It can damage the heart, which is also a muscle,” she explained.
Anyone with type 2 diabetes can benefit from weight loss and a reduced-carb diet because it will improve insulin sensitivity, Cimperman explained.
“But there are many other ways to do it besides a fad diet that won’t keep weight off long-term,” she said.
Blinten, who has used a keto diet for some cancer patients in specific circumstances, cautioned, “people will do anything to get the weight off.” However, a keto diet will do more harm than good for the majority of patients, especially if they have any underlying kidney or liver issues.
“People are using this for cosmetic reasons, but it’s so extreme that it’s dangerous,” she said.
Read More: Why Severe Anorexia is So Difficult to Treat »
The Feeding Tube Approach
Some have taken the keto diet a step further, using a feeding tube inserted into the esophagus through the nose.
Dieters adhere to a strict 800-calorie high-protein, no-carb diet administered through the tube by a slow-drip pump mechanism. Only black coffee, tea, or water is allowed in addition to the liquid diet.
A Florida doctor, Oliver Di Pietro, has been offering this tube diet to anyone who can pay the $1,500 cost. According to a 2012 local news report, Di Pietro learned of the diet while on a trip to Italy. He insists the keto diet is safe and effective, even for those wanting to shed just a few pounds.
“This is a ridiculous approach to weight loss,” said Cimperman.
With an 800-calorie-a-day diet, “you’re essentially starving yourself,” Cimperman said. “Of course you will drop weight.”
Anything under a 1,200-calorie daily diet is considered a starvation diet and is not meant for long-term weight loss.
Tube feeding is a legitimate tool in a hospital setting, she explained.
“Someone who is on a ventilator, or can’t swallow because of a stroke or cancer, might have to eat this way. But it’s usually used as a last resort,” she said.
“In an otherwise healthy individual it can create serious complications, including infections if the tube gets contaminated, increased sodium levels, and it can cause dehydration and constipation,” Cimperman added. “What would even possess people to want to walk around with a tube up their nose?”
Melinda Hemmelgarn, a registered dietitian in Columbia, Missouri, and host of the Food Sleuth radio show, told Healthline, “It’s crazy to consider sticking a tube down your nose to lose weight. It sounds to me like somebody is making a lot of money on someone else’s vulnerabilities. Just say no to this idea.”
Read More: Doctors Finally Begin to Treat Obesity »
Don’t Become Weight Obsessed
Hemmelgarn advised anyone thinking of going on a fad diet to “keep food in perspective. It’s a gift. It’s how we nourish ourselves and stay well.”
Marketing this diet to brides just plays into our weight-obsessed society, according to Hemmelgarn.
Instead, anyone preparing for marriage should nourish herself well, engage in plenty of physical activity like walking, jogging, or bike riding, and be good to herself by eating fresh, whole, minimally processed organic foods.
There is no magic bullet for long-term weight loss, said Blinten. For long-term weight control, a Mediterranean style diet focused on fruit, vegetables, whole grains, beans, fish, and olive oil, is one that can be healthy for life.
“We fall prey to wacko diets, but the truth is there’s no quick fix,” Blinten said. “Cutting refined carbs and replacing them with fresh fruits, vegetables, and lean protein, cutting processed foods, and avoiding too many additives will keep you healthy in the long term.”
Cimperman said the healthiest approach to weight loss is to set realistic goals and ask yourself if your diet plan is:
good for the long term
includes exercise
meets your long-term health goals.
If the answers are no, then that is a red flag, she cautioned.
Blinten advised dieters not to skip meals because your body goes into overdrive the next time you eat. That can actually cause you to eat more, not less. She suggested eating your largest meal at midday, then having a healthy afternoon snack.
“It keeps your metabolism and insulin levels more regular,” she explained.
Exercise, of course, is also vitally important. Every pound of muscle equals 50 calories burned, so a plan that includes a muscle enhancing regimen will help you reach your goal faster.
Hemmelgarn added, “Stay away from fashion magazines. They make us feel inadequate. If you are even considering this insane approach to weight loss, go for a walk … right now! It’ll clear your head.”
this was an article from web site Healthline... not sure the date... sorry is it is too long.. and boring..
FYI
The link to this article I shared yesterday. For copyright issues, it is much better legally to share a link to an article than copying and pasting the article.3 -
You should watch, The Magic Pill...its on Netflix. Great documentary!!!7
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