Opinions on the keto diet??
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Sakura_Tree wrote: »personally i am against the keto diet because our bodies main/preferred source of energy is carbohydrates. also the keto diet does not allow alot of fruits/vegetables which are key for good health. I see alot of keto recipes with bacon and other processed meats which cause inflammation in the body and can lead to cancer/other illness.
even vegans and vegetarians get cancer, so that theory about it causing cancer went out the window.
Many causes of cancer. Some vegans and/or vegetarians may have genetic issue that is causing them to get cancer for example. So your argument against the inflamation theory went out the window also.9 -
FlyingMolly wrote: »Sakura_Tree wrote: »personally i am against the keto diet because our bodies main/preferred source of energy is carbohydrates. also the keto diet does not allow alot of fruits/vegetables which are key for good health. I see alot of keto recipes with bacon and other processed meats which cause inflammation in the body and can lead to cancer/other illness.
I’ve never eaten as many servings of fruits and vegetables on a consistent basis as I am now on keto, and if you choose to eat a bunch of bacon on any diet of course you should go for the nitrate-free kind. You don’t have to try anything you don’t want, but these are ridiculous reasons for opposing keto.
What's with nitrate/nitrite-free everything all of a sudden? Is this more chemphobia?3 -
FlyingMolly wrote: »Sakura_Tree wrote: »personally i am against the keto diet because our bodies main/preferred source of energy is carbohydrates. also the keto diet does not allow alot of fruits/vegetables which are key for good health. I see alot of keto recipes with bacon and other processed meats which cause inflammation in the body and can lead to cancer/other illness.
I’ve never eaten as many servings of fruits and vegetables on a consistent basis as I am now on keto, and if you choose to eat a bunch of bacon on any diet of course you should go for the nitrate-free kind. You don’t have to try anything you don’t want, but these are ridiculous reasons for opposing keto.
You may not have eaten many fruits or veg pre keto, but it's just a fact that if you do keto carbs are so limited that fruit and maybe even veg become more difficult to fit in.
As I said before (maybe even on this thread, I lose track), I did keto for a bit as an experiment (I was already doing around 100-120 g of carbs for a while before), and I even kept my carbs higher than most doing keto seem to recommend. Specifically, from my reading I figured 50 g net carbs or lower would be fine, and aimed for that (well, really, around 60-65 total carbs, which tended to be 35 or so net carbs, so gave me some extra room to be safe).
I limited my carbs to non starchy veg, nuts (not a huge amount), avocado, and about a serving of cottage cheese or yogurt per day, and I had to work to fit that in most days. I do eat LOTS of veg, have for a long time, but I was definitely having to watch them and sometimes sub for something like brussels sprouts which are higher carb than one might think. Fruit didn't fit at all, and certainly not beans or lentils.
And again that was at carbs that some others doing keto (granted, more often the beginners) insisted were too high. There were a few keto challenges that started (not in the low carb group, in the challenges section) where participants were supposed to stay below 20 and congratulated for being as low as can be -- I recall 5 was not an uncommon number. You just couldn't eat fruit and veg (or even much veg) on that, and for me even the 20 net was a non starter, as I'd have had to limit veg beyond what I personally am happy with.
The main reason I quit, even though I felt fine on the diet, was that it didn't seem to bring any benefits beyond how I'd been eating before, I wanted to stop thinking about carbs and eat less meat (which for me meant more beans, lentils, pulses), and -- most of all -- I missed fruit. Biggest change in my diet since stopping keto is that I finally got serious about cutting down on meat and have way upped my consumption of beans/lentils and also remembered how much I love fruit and feel good eating it. (I still eat way more veg than fruit.)5 -
sytchequeen wrote: »I eat a lower carb diet (I wouldn't call it "keto"), but I'm not here to discuss the pro's and con's of keto - any way you find to moderate your eating that works for you is the important thing. I'm here to discuss the "lot of work" bit.
No, not really. If you meal plan for any kind of diet then there is work involved, no more for keto than any other. But once you get used to planning what you can have then it's not really "harder" than anything else.
Whatever way you choose just make sure you understand how to do it properly. There are a lot of people doing diets badly because they only half understand them.
I agree with this. I didn't find eating keto much work at all, no more so than any other way of eating (beyond just eating whatever based on what seems good right now).
I think the difficulty, for those who find it such, is that for them it's not a satiating way to eat or else they miss the foods that are (mostly) off limits. Those are valid reactions, of course.0 -
Keto worked well for me but after 6 months to a year I got sick and wanted to eat my chicken noodle soup etc. Then I wanted more and more carbs.. I wanted to be able to eat fruit, potatoes, bread and other things not allowed on Keto. I gained most of the weight back. My own fault.
For me I realized I needed something different, I was bored of the same old things every day and was reaching for what was around and what was easy, which means junk. Find something that you can handle that doesn't bore you and that YOU can stick to personally. I took what I learned from keto and focused on CICO.. added more carbs but chose healthier options with what knowledge I gained from Keto, choosing low sugar options, using the sweetners I found rather than sugar or honey and chose lower carb or whole food options.
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midwesterner85 wrote: »karintalley wrote: »I prefer the "eat all you want and lose weight diet". Like drinking wine, , eating chocolate and cheese and BREAD, and lose 1 pound a week...diet.
I'm glad that works for you. Last time I took a diet break and ate all I wanted, I gained 32 lbs. in 20 days. Of that 32 lbs., 19 was fat.
But she didn't say she ate all she wanted. She eats a variety of foods and is able to make her choices in such a way that she is in a caloric deficit.5 -
greenetaylor27 wrote: »greenetaylor27 wrote: »I am a mother of two with a very busy schedule! I’ve been logging foods and exercising somewhat regularly for about 2-3 weeks and have lost about 3lbs. I’ve read a lot on how the keto diet can shred you down rather quickly, and “grains and carbs are poison” or what have you.
To me it just seems like a lot of work and also rather confusing. I’m fairly new to this new healthy lifestyle and didn’t know if anyone similar to my situation had bad luck— or thoughts and opinions ?? Thanks!
I meant have good luck not bad luck lol!
@greenetaylor27 just pick a Way Of Eating and stick with it for 90 days if possible and take another look. There are many ways to eat successful.
In my case of failing health in 2014 I cut out food containing added sugars and any form of grain period and got heavy into plant based foods especially nuts and coconut oil. In 2018 my health is better than ever. My weight and health seem to manage themselves nicely now so all is well at the age of 67.
I keep tweaking my WOE and have stopped overthinking health as my body seems to know what it wants and when it wants it so I just focus on listening to my body is telling me. This did not happen overnight and still is not static.
Remember it is not what that works for me or others but what works for you that counts in the end. Best of success.12 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Sakura_Tree wrote: »personally i am against the keto diet because our bodies main/preferred source of energy is carbohydrates. also the keto diet does not allow alot of fruits/vegetables which are key for good health. I see alot of keto recipes with bacon and other processed meats which cause inflammation in the body and can lead to cancer/other illness.
even vegans and vegetarians get cancer, so that theory about it causing cancer went out the window.
Many causes of cancer. Some vegans and/or vegetarians may have genetic issue that is causing them to get cancer for example. So your argument against the inflamation theory went out the window also.
how did my argument go out the window? the other person said that processed meats cause inflammation and can lead to cancer and other illnesses. being overweight can cause inflammation,rheumatoid arthritis can cause inflammation. I said that even vegans and vegetarians get cancer.since vegans and vegetarians dont eat processed meats and they too can get cancer, my point was being vegan or vegetarian doesnt exclude those from getting cancer. It had NOTHING to do with genetic issues.and having a genetic issue means you have a higher risk,doesnt mean its going to happen.
a lot of it has to do with gene mutations and whether or not certain genes mutate. some genes can be inherited and you can inherit mutated genes too. I have a condition where I inherited a mutated gene.It has nothing to do with cancer though.so far my kids are showing no signs of the health issue I have. both are adults.some things can skip generations. anyone can get cancer was also my point
I have lost a few people due to cancer.its not something you want to see someone dying from. especially when they are suffering and slowly dying from it.
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sunfastrose wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »karintalley wrote: »I prefer the "eat all you want and lose weight diet". Like drinking wine, , eating chocolate and cheese and BREAD, and lose 1 pound a week...diet.
I'm glad that works for you. Last time I took a diet break and ate all I wanted, I gained 32 lbs. in 20 days. Of that 32 lbs., 19 was fat.
But she didn't say she ate all she wanted. She eats a variety of foods and is able to make her choices in such a way that she is in a caloric deficit.
Really?!karintalley wrote: »I prefer the "eat all you want and lose weight diet". Like drinking wine, , eating chocolate and cheese and BREAD, and lose 1 pound a week...diet.5 -
Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »
I think most of us see the woo button as "that's nonsense". I rarely ever use the woo button unless I think someone is pushing an unhealthy/dangerous plan on someone else or the community at large. Some use it as woo hoo but I don't really think that was the intention by the programmers.2 -
cheryldumais wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »
I think most of us see the woo button as "that's nonsense". I rarely ever use the woo button unless I think someone is pushing an unhealthy/dangerous plan on someone else or the community at large. Some use it as woo hoo but I don't really think that was the intention by the programmers.
Oh but it was.
It was both at one time. Both "nonsense" and "yay". Speaking of "nonsense".
Now it's just supposed to meant "that's nonsense." But Pandora's box has been opened. Many people don't understand and have always thought it means "yahoo."
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cheryldumais wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »
I think most of us see the woo button as "that's nonsense". I rarely ever use the woo button unless I think someone is pushing an unhealthy/dangerous plan on someone else or the community at large. Some use it as woo hoo but I don't really think that was the intention by the programmers.
Never heard anyone say "woo" as "that's nonsense". Woo is meant to be woo-hoo.12 -
cheryldumais wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »
I think most of us see the woo button as "that's nonsense". I rarely ever use the woo button unless I think someone is pushing an unhealthy/dangerous plan on someone else or the community at large. Some use it as woo hoo but I don't really think that was the intention by the programmers.
Never heard anyone say "woo" as "that's nonsense". Woo is meant to be woo-hoo.
woo
n.(or adj), the way a person is when they uncritically believe unsubstantiated or unfounded ideas. Short for "woo woo".(See Russell's definition of woo woo)
Shirley believes that in a past life she was the Jolly Green Giant of Rainbowland. Shirley is very woo.5 -
cheryldumais wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »
I think most of us see the woo button as "that's nonsense". I rarely ever use the woo button unless I think someone is pushing an unhealthy/dangerous plan on someone else or the community at large. Some use it as woo hoo but I don't really think that was the intention by the programmers.
Never heard anyone say "woo" as "that's nonsense". Woo is meant to be woo-hoo.
It's woo as pseudoscience crap though some use it as woo hoo5 -
cheryldumais wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »
I think most of us see the woo button as "that's nonsense". I rarely ever use the woo button unless I think someone is pushing an unhealthy/dangerous plan on someone else or the community at large. Some use it as woo hoo but I don't really think that was the intention by the programmers.
Never heard anyone say "woo" as "that's nonsense". Woo is meant to be woo-hoo.
That's not what the site staff have said: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10570889/new-community-reaction-woo#latest3 -
More people triggered by 'woo'. SMDH3
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Keto is working for me. I'm not someone yelling carbs are evil, but I have PCOS and insulin resistance. CICO just wasn't working. Now I do CICO with low carbs and I'm losing weight and my glucose is going down.8
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greenetaylor27 wrote: »I am a mother of two with a very busy schedule! I’ve been logging foods and exercising somewhat regularly for about 2-3 weeks and have lost about 3lbs. I’ve read a lot on how the keto diet can shred you down rather quickly, and “grains and carbs are poison” or what have you.
To me it just seems like a lot of work and also rather confusing. I’m fairly new to this new healthy lifestyle and didn’t know if anyone similar to my situation had bad luck— or thoughts and opinions ?? Thanks!
I've lost 21 lbs from Feb 20, 2018 to Mar 15, 2018. I did it by initially fasting (zero food, just water) for three days which put me into ketosis very quickly (I use test strips to verify). Six pounds were gone in the first week and I dropped an average of around 5-7 lbs/week in the following weeks. The reason I fasted was to hit keto quickly as it would normally take about three weeks of a really low carb diet to get there otherwise. I've maintained a strict diet of no more than 30 carbs daily and have fasted intermittently, ie 18 hours without eating, etc from time to time. My goal is to lose 25 MORE pounds after which I'll adopt a more normal diet- still watching my carbs. My blood pressure has gone down (to a normal range) since losing the weight and I feel great. I told my Dr. what I did to lose the weight so quickly and she was thrilled. She's been wanting me to lose weight for a while and she reminded me to keep up my protein intake, eat avocados (healthy fat), fiber, and of course water. I've somehow become accustomed to eating one meal (or no meals) daily which is no small feat for a guy who used to eat WAY too much. Anyway don't rule out keto for a quick weight loss, but understand that it's not really sustainable. You'll probably grow tired of it after a while.6 -
greenetaylor27 wrote: »I am a mother of two with a very busy schedule! I’ve been logging foods and exercising somewhat regularly for about 2-3 weeks and have lost about 3lbs. I’ve read a lot on how the keto diet can shred you down rather quickly, and “grains and carbs are poison” or what have you.
To me it just seems like a lot of work and also rather confusing. I’m fairly new to this new healthy lifestyle and didn’t know if anyone similar to my situation had bad luck— or thoughts and opinions ?? Thanks!
I've lost 21 lbs from Feb 20, 2018 to Mar 15, 2018. I did it by initially fasting (zero food, just water) for three days which put me into ketosis very quickly (I use test strips to verify). Six pounds were gone in the first week and I dropped an average of around 5-7 lbs/week in the following weeks. The reason I fasted was to hit keto quickly as it would normally take about three weeks of a really low carb diet to get there otherwise. I've maintained a strict diet of no more than 30 carbs daily and have fasted intermittently, ie 18 hours without eating, etc from time to time. My goal is to lose 25 MORE pounds after which I'll adopt a more normal diet- still watching my carbs. My blood pressure has gone down (to a normal range) since losing the weight and I feel great. I told my Dr. what I did to lose the weight so quickly and she was thrilled. She's been wanting me to lose weight for a while and she reminded me to keep up my protein intake, eat avocados (healthy fat), fiber, and of course water. I've somehow become accustomed to eating one meal (or no meals) daily which is no small feat for a guy who used to eat WAY too much. Anyway don't rule out keto for a quick weight loss, but understand that it's not really sustainable. You'll probably grow tired of it after a while.
How much muscle mass do you think you lost during that period of rapid weight loss? 21 lbs in 23 days is almost a lb per day. Some was water weight, some was fat, some was muscle mass.11 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »cheryldumais wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »
I think most of us see the woo button as "that's nonsense". I rarely ever use the woo button unless I think someone is pushing an unhealthy/dangerous plan on someone else or the community at large. Some use it as woo hoo but I don't really think that was the intention by the programmers.
Never heard anyone say "woo" as "that's nonsense". Woo is meant to be woo-hoo.
woo
n.(or adj), the way a person is when they uncritically believe unsubstantiated or unfounded ideas. Short for "woo woo".(See Russell's definition of woo woo)
Shirley believes that in a past life she was the Jolly Green Giant of Rainbowland. Shirley is very woo.
science20.com/cool-links/bertrand_russell%E2%80%99s_teapot_ghost_woo_reasoning_has_wisdom-84934
Your source is interesting.
Seems like woo means more or less what the writer/reader wants it to mean.
https://urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=woo12
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