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PaulChasinDreams wrote: »akinastrong wrote: »I been on keto for 5 months now and I love it. prior to doing keto I could not stay away from carbs and sweets. a busy mom of two a 3 year old and a one year old keto was the best health choice I have ever made!!! I stick to 80%fat, 15% protein and 5% carb. the whole "caloric deficit " is a bunch of bull to me and I don't believe it at all. there is know way a person can prove how much calories you are burning through out the day. not one persons metabolic rate is the same and everyone does something different everyday so you cant put a straight number on it. and far as the studies read above the high carb and low carb yes its not different because "carbs is carbs" and what a lot of people are missing is keto is just not a low carb diet they key is a HIGH FAT diet. and your goal is to get into ketosis, that's where you start burning fat. Research high fat diet vs. low low carb diet and you will see the difference. I have lost 25lbs since starting keto and it was effortless I have also kicked the cravings for sweets and carbs. I have a ton more energy to play with my kids, and I don't wake up feeling like a zombie from having a rough night with my baby. Not to mention 23lbs of that was straight fat loss! We had a 12 week biggest loser at work majority were doing the low calories (eating like a bird) and doing no fat low carb, and protein diet. and i was doing keto with my butter, fatty stake, egg etc. everyone thought I was crazy. But the number and data don't lie! I won the fat loss and weight loss category. the others did lose weight but also lost a lot of muscle. I have 5 clients right now all only a month in and they all lost 5-13 lbs and 1-3.5 inches off their waist. So i am totally a keto advocate. seeing results with my clients and with my self also feeling the difference in my body and having clarity on keto compared to being on a non keto diet. Its very sustainable for me i don't need to worry about calories i just listen to my body i never did calorie restrict my self neither does my clients and we care getting amazing results!. I just eat when i'm hungry stop when im full. No starving trying to eat like a bird, being moody because you have to eat salads all day. just do your research and give it ago. and sorry so long lol really am passionate about it!
Obviously.
It's just too bad that all of that is incorrect and goes completely against physiology and the laws of energy balance. Magic doesn't exist, you have to be in a caloric deficit to lose weight. That's been scientifically proven over and over again. There is no "metabolic advantage" to a ketogenic diet, calories are calories.
Let's start here with some science:
https://shreddedbyscience.com/ketogenic-diets-actually-work-study-review/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16685046/
https://completehumanperformance.com/2013/07/23/why-calories-count/
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/316911061_A_Calorie_is_Still_a_Calorie_According_to_Rigorous_New_Evidence
http://georgiefear.com/2016/12/15/the-truth-about-ketogenic-dieting/
http://sciencedrivennutrition.com/do-carbohydrates-control-body-fat/
http://www.stephanguyenet.com/meta-analysis-impact-of-carbohydrate-vs-fat-calories-on-energy-expenditure-and-body-fatness/
So much B.S. here. PLEASE realize this guy is 100% wrong and I am 100% proof of it. Have been doing intermittent fasting and keto for 77 days as of today and have lost 47 lbs so far. Have not been in a caloric deficit at all. In fact a lot of days I am in a caloric surplus. Do some research on combining intermittent fasting with keto.
And as I've said on other threads. If this guy or anyone on this sight want to put some money where their mouth is I will put up $1000 to anyone here to prove what I've lost, how I've lost it, and in how long I've lost it. 100% B.S. that you HAVE to be in a caloric deficit to lose weight. Get your body into a FULL time keto adapted state and you will lose weight at an extrodinary rate. And if you want to gain muscle at the same time do that too by working out and making sure you eat at least between .4 to 1 gram of protein a day. I have been doing 5 to 10% carbs, 20 to 25% protein and around 70% good fats per day. Even with my exercise I still am not in a caloric deficit so don't believe everything you read here on this forum cause there is SO MUCH crap I am reading all over the place here. Best thing to do is try it and see what the truth is and if you want any guidance, advice, or info send me a message.
The power of combining intermittent fasting with keto is unbelievable powerful with fat loss, health, energy, muscle gain etc.. Just do a search online and read of all the people who report the incredible amazing results in their lives from it.
I do full body composition imaging scans to track my fat % loss and lean muscle mass gains. There is no better way to know for sure what's going on with your fat loss and muscle gains.
I posted the science. It stands on its own. The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'.
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L1zardQueen wrote: »PaulChasinDreams wrote: »akinastrong wrote: »I been on keto for 5 months now and I love it. prior to doing keto I could not stay away from carbs and sweets. a busy mom of two a 3 year old and a one year old keto was the best health choice I have ever made!!! I stick to 80%fat, 15% protein and 5% carb. the whole "caloric deficit " is a bunch of bull to me and I don't believe it at all. there is know way a person can prove how much calories you are burning through out the day. not one persons metabolic rate is the same and everyone does something different everyday so you cant put a straight number on it. and far as the studies read above the high carb and low carb yes its not different because "carbs is carbs" and what a lot of people are missing is keto is just not a low carb diet they key is a HIGH FAT diet. and your goal is to get into ketosis, that's where you start burning fat. Research high fat diet vs. low low carb diet and you will see the difference. I have lost 25lbs since starting keto and it was effortless I have also kicked the cravings for sweets and carbs. I have a ton more energy to play with my kids, and I don't wake up feeling like a zombie from having a rough night with my baby. Not to mention 23lbs of that was straight fat loss! We had a 12 week biggest loser at work majority were doing the low calories (eating like a bird) and doing no fat low carb, and protein diet. and i was doing keto with my butter, fatty stake, egg etc. everyone thought I was crazy. But the number and data don't lie! I won the fat loss and weight loss category. the others did lose weight but also lost a lot of muscle. I have 5 clients right now all only a month in and they all lost 5-13 lbs and 1-3.5 inches off their waist. So i am totally a keto advocate. seeing results with my clients and with my self also feeling the difference in my body and having clarity on keto compared to being on a non keto diet. Its very sustainable for me i don't need to worry about calories i just listen to my body i never did calorie restrict my self neither does my clients and we care getting amazing results!. I just eat when i'm hungry stop when im full. No starving trying to eat like a bird, being moody because you have to eat salads all day. just do your research and give it ago. and sorry so long lol really am passionate about it!
Obviously.
It's just too bad that all of that is incorrect and goes completely against physiology and the laws of energy balance. Magic doesn't exist, you have to be in a caloric deficit to lose weight. That's been scientifically proven over and over again. There is no "metabolic advantage" to a ketogenic diet, calories are calories.
Let's start here with some science:
https://shreddedbyscience.com/ketogenic-diets-actually-work-study-review/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16685046/
https://completehumanperformance.com/2013/07/23/why-calories-count/
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/316911061_A_Calorie_is_Still_a_Calorie_According_to_Rigorous_New_Evidence
http://georgiefear.com/2016/12/15/the-truth-about-ketogenic-dieting/
http://sciencedrivennutrition.com/do-carbohydrates-control-body-fat/
http://www.stephanguyenet.com/meta-analysis-impact-of-carbohydrate-vs-fat-calories-on-energy-expenditure-and-body-fatness/
So much B.S. here. PLEASE realize this guy is 100% wrong and I am 100% proof of it. Have been doing intermittent fasting and keto for 77 days as of today and have lost 47 lbs so far. Have not been in a caloric deficit at all. In fact a lot of days I am in a caloric surplus. Do some research on combining intermittent fasting with keto.
And as I've said on other threads. If this guy or anyone on this sight want to put some money where their mouth is I will put up $1000 to anyone here to prove what I've lost, how I've lost it, and in how long I've lost it. 100% B.S. that you HAVE to be in a caloric deficit to lose weight. Get your body into a FULL time keto adapted state and you will lose weight at an extrodinary rate. And if you want to gain muscle at the same time do that too by working out and making sure you eat at least between .4 to 1 gram of protein a day. I have been doing 5 to 10% carbs, 20 to 25% protein and around 70% good fats per day. Even with my exercise I still am not in a caloric deficit so don't believe everything you read here on this forum cause there is SO MUCH crap I am reading all over the place here. Best thing to do is try it and see what the truth is and if you want any guidance, advice, or info send me a message.
The power of combining intermittent fasting with keto is unbelievable powerful with fat loss, health, energy, muscle gain etc.. Just do a search online and read of all the people who report the incredible amazing results in their lives from it.
I do full body composition imaging scans to track my fat % loss and lean muscle mass gains. There is no better way to know for sure what's going on with your fat loss and muscle gains.
I like your name
Lol thanks. It's the name of my boat and my business. If you can dream it then you can do it. 2 -
PaulChasinDreams wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »PaulChasinDreams wrote: »akinastrong wrote: »I been on keto for 5 months now and I love it. prior to doing keto I could not stay away from carbs and sweets. a busy mom of two a 3 year old and a one year old keto was the best health choice I have ever made!!! I stick to 80%fat, 15% protein and 5% carb. the whole "caloric deficit " is a bunch of bull to me and I don't believe it at all. there is know way a person can prove how much calories you are burning through out the day. not one persons metabolic rate is the same and everyone does something different everyday so you cant put a straight number on it. and far as the studies read above the high carb and low carb yes its not different because "carbs is carbs" and what a lot of people are missing is keto is just not a low carb diet they key is a HIGH FAT diet. and your goal is to get into ketosis, that's where you start burning fat. Research high fat diet vs. low low carb diet and you will see the difference. I have lost 25lbs since starting keto and it was effortless I have also kicked the cravings for sweets and carbs. I have a ton more energy to play with my kids, and I don't wake up feeling like a zombie from having a rough night with my baby. Not to mention 23lbs of that was straight fat loss! We had a 12 week biggest loser at work majority were doing the low calories (eating like a bird) and doing no fat low carb, and protein diet. and i was doing keto with my butter, fatty stake, egg etc. everyone thought I was crazy. But the number and data don't lie! I won the fat loss and weight loss category. the others did lose weight but also lost a lot of muscle. I have 5 clients right now all only a month in and they all lost 5-13 lbs and 1-3.5 inches off their waist. So i am totally a keto advocate. seeing results with my clients and with my self also feeling the difference in my body and having clarity on keto compared to being on a non keto diet. Its very sustainable for me i don't need to worry about calories i just listen to my body i never did calorie restrict my self neither does my clients and we care getting amazing results!. I just eat when i'm hungry stop when im full. No starving trying to eat like a bird, being moody because you have to eat salads all day. just do your research and give it ago. and sorry so long lol really am passionate about it!
Obviously.
It's just too bad that all of that is incorrect and goes completely against physiology and the laws of energy balance. Magic doesn't exist, you have to be in a caloric deficit to lose weight. That's been scientifically proven over and over again. There is no "metabolic advantage" to a ketogenic diet, calories are calories.
Let's start here with some science:
https://shreddedbyscience.com/ketogenic-diets-actually-work-study-review/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16685046/
https://completehumanperformance.com/2013/07/23/why-calories-count/
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/316911061_A_Calorie_is_Still_a_Calorie_According_to_Rigorous_New_Evidence
http://georgiefear.com/2016/12/15/the-truth-about-ketogenic-dieting/
http://sciencedrivennutrition.com/do-carbohydrates-control-body-fat/
http://www.stephanguyenet.com/meta-analysis-impact-of-carbohydrate-vs-fat-calories-on-energy-expenditure-and-body-fatness/
So much B.S. here. PLEASE realize this guy is 100% wrong and I am 100% proof of it. Have been doing intermittent fasting and keto for 77 days as of today and have lost 47 lbs so far. Have not been in a caloric deficit at all. In fact a lot of days I am in a caloric surplus. Do some research on combining intermittent fasting with keto.
And as I've said on other threads. If this guy or anyone on this sight want to put some money where their mouth is I will put up $1000 to anyone here to prove what I've lost, how I've lost it, and in how long I've lost it. 100% B.S. that you HAVE to be in a caloric deficit to lose weight. Get your body into a FULL time keto adapted state and you will lose weight at an extrodinary rate. And if you want to gain muscle at the same time do that too by working out and making sure you eat at least between .4 to 1 gram of protein a day. I have been doing 5 to 10% carbs, 20 to 25% protein and around 70% good fats per day. Even with my exercise I still am not in a caloric deficit so don't believe everything you read here on this forum cause there is SO MUCH crap I am reading all over the place here. Best thing to do is try it and see what the truth is and if you want any guidance, advice, or info send me a message.
The power of combining intermittent fasting with keto is unbelievable powerful with fat loss, health, energy, muscle gain etc.. Just do a search online and read of all the people who report the incredible amazing results in their lives from it.
I do full body composition imaging scans to track my fat % loss and lean muscle mass gains. There is no better way to know for sure what's going on with your fat loss and muscle gains.
I like your name
Lol thanks. It's the name of my boat and my business. If you dream it then you can do it. smile:
I like lizards.6 -
akinastrong wrote: »how do you set a number on it? being on a keto diet naturally suppresses your appetite if you are doing it correctly so there is no need to calorie restrict your self. and have you tried the diet?
As a matter of fact, I have. I did the ketogenic diet for nearly a year, almost 20 years ago. I lost over 40 pounds, but still had to be in a calorie deficit to accomplish it. I also did not enjoy the nearly disastrous intestinal issues when I would have the occasional cheat day, and did not want to give up some of my most favorite foods for the rest of my life, so I found it unsustainable.
I love eggs, meat, cheese, bacon, steak, etc. But I've lost over 70 pounds incorporating all those things into my diet along with carbs and didn't have to deal with staying within 10 feet of a bathroom, never trusting a fart, or depriving myself of foods I love. And all it required was a calorie deficit - exactly as it would have if I'd done keto again this time.
Keto suppresses appetite (via satiety) for some people - not all people. Apparently you're one of them, but it's not a universal phenomenon. Some are more satiated by carbs, so keto wouldn't be the answer for them. Keto is one way to lose weight, but it's not THE One True Holy Way.
yes I agree everyone is different but to say you need to be calorie deficit right off the bat is not completely inaccurate because you don't know how you will adapt once you transition once in ketosis.
if done it correctly ketones suppress appetite in a variety of more subtle and significant ways because ketones can control hunger and satiety hormones. Scientists have identified that ketones impact cholecystokinin (CCK), a hormone which makes you feel full, and ghrelin, the “hunger hormone.”
and yes there can be gut issues if certain things are not included in your diet. I don't deprive my self of foods I love either I am human I do have my cheat days then I get right back on it. I am just looking at facts and data form my self, and those im working with on a strict keto and were all getting the same effects. everyone also does keto different some strict and some not so strict. This is just my personal response in the subject matter about facts and data I have experienced. I also never said that it was the only way, but its a great option.15 -
L1zardQueen wrote: »@akinastrong Calories do matter.
I never said it didn't matter I just said I don't tract mine and restrict my calories because keto naturally suppresses my and my clients appetite.9 -
PaulChasinDreams wrote: »akinastrong wrote: »I been on keto for 5 months now and I love it. prior to doing keto I could not stay away from carbs and sweets. a busy mom of two a 3 year old and a one year old keto was the best health choice I have ever made!!! I stick to 80%fat, 15% protein and 5% carb. the whole "caloric deficit " is a bunch of bull to me and I don't believe it at all. there is know way a person can prove how much calories you are burning through out the day. not one persons metabolic rate is the same and everyone does something different everyday so you cant put a straight number on it. and far as the studies read above the high carb and low carb yes its not different because "carbs is carbs" and what a lot of people are missing is keto is just not a low carb diet they key is a HIGH FAT diet. and your goal is to get into ketosis, that's where you start burning fat. Research high fat diet vs. low low carb diet and you will see the difference. I have lost 25lbs since starting keto and it was effortless I have also kicked the cravings for sweets and carbs. I have a ton more energy to play with my kids, and I don't wake up feeling like a zombie from having a rough night with my baby. Not to mention 23lbs of that was straight fat loss! We had a 12 week biggest loser at work majority were doing the low calories (eating like a bird) and doing no fat low carb, and protein diet. and i was doing keto with my butter, fatty stake, egg etc. everyone thought I was crazy. But the number and data don't lie! I won the fat loss and weight loss category. the others did lose weight but also lost a lot of muscle. I have 5 clients right now all only a month in and they all lost 5-13 lbs and 1-3.5 inches off their waist. So i am totally a keto advocate. seeing results with my clients and with my self also feeling the difference in my body and having clarity on keto compared to being on a non keto diet. Its very sustainable for me i don't need to worry about calories i just listen to my body i never did calorie restrict my self neither does my clients and we care getting amazing results!. I just eat when i'm hungry stop when im full. No starving trying to eat like a bird, being moody because you have to eat salads all day. just do your research and give it ago. and sorry so long lol really am passionate about it!
Obviously.
It's just too bad that all of that is incorrect and goes completely against physiology and the laws of energy balance. Magic doesn't exist, you have to be in a caloric deficit to lose weight. That's been scientifically proven over and over again. There is no "metabolic advantage" to a ketogenic diet, calories are calories.
Let's start here with some science:
https://shreddedbyscience.com/ketogenic-diets-actually-work-study-review/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16685046/
https://completehumanperformance.com/2013/07/23/why-calories-count/
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/316911061_A_Calorie_is_Still_a_Calorie_According_to_Rigorous_New_Evidence
http://georgiefear.com/2016/12/15/the-truth-about-ketogenic-dieting/
http://sciencedrivennutrition.com/do-carbohydrates-control-body-fat/
http://www.stephanguyenet.com/meta-analysis-impact-of-carbohydrate-vs-fat-calories-on-energy-expenditure-and-body-fatness/
So much B.S. here. PLEASE realize this guy is 100% wrong and I am 100% proof of it. Have been doing intermittent fasting and keto for 77 days as of today and have lost 47 lbs so far. Have not been in a caloric deficit at all. In fact a lot of days I am in a caloric surplus. Do some research on combining intermittent fasting with keto.
And as I've said on other threads. If this guy or anyone on this sight want to put some money where their mouth is I will put up $1000 to anyone here to prove what I've lost, how I've lost it, and in how long I've lost it. 100% B.S. that you HAVE to be in a caloric deficit to lose weight. Get your body into a FULL time keto adapted state and you will lose weight at an extrodinary rate. And if you want to gain muscle at the same time do that too by working out and making sure you eat at least between .4 to 1 gram of protein a day. I have been doing 5 to 10% carbs, 20 to 25% protein and around 70% good fats per day. Even with my exercise I still am not in a caloric deficit so don't believe everything you read here on this forum cause there is SO MUCH crap I am reading all over the place here. Best thing to do is try it and see what the truth is and if you want any guidance, advice, or info send me a message.
The power of combining intermittent fasting with keto is unbelievable powerful with fat loss, health, energy, muscle gain etc.. Just do a search online and read of all the people who report the incredible amazing results in their lives from it.
I do full body composition imaging scans to track my fat % loss and lean muscle mass gains. There is no better way to know for sure what's going on with your fat loss and muscle gains.
So are you trying to say that 77 days of personal opinions on a diet are better than decades of scientific research?
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Ok so if you say that your eating at a caloric surplus while in ketosis that you'll lose weight at extreme rates? ( water weight maybe but I'll play along) so how do people bulk in keto then? What about the people who want to gain weight on keto ? Will they not gain since keto magically causes weight loss without a deficit?
What real proof can you offer to support this extraordinary claim?
You're claiming that you can defy science and magically lose weight and build muscle just by doing keto and IF , correct?10 -
PaulChasinDreams wrote: »akinastrong wrote: »I been on keto for 5 months now and I love it. prior to doing keto I could not stay away from carbs and sweets. a busy mom of two a 3 year old and a one year old keto was the best health choice I have ever made!!! I stick to 80%fat, 15% protein and 5% carb. the whole "caloric deficit " is a bunch of bull to me and I don't believe it at all. there is know way a person can prove how much calories you are burning through out the day. not one persons metabolic rate is the same and everyone does something different everyday so you cant put a straight number on it. and far as the studies read above the high carb and low carb yes its not different because "carbs is carbs" and what a lot of people are missing is keto is just not a low carb diet they key is a HIGH FAT diet. and your goal is to get into ketosis, that's where you start burning fat. Research high fat diet vs. low low carb diet and you will see the difference. I have lost 25lbs since starting keto and it was effortless I have also kicked the cravings for sweets and carbs. I have a ton more energy to play with my kids, and I don't wake up feeling like a zombie from having a rough night with my baby. Not to mention 23lbs of that was straight fat loss! We had a 12 week biggest loser at work majority were doing the low calories (eating like a bird) and doing no fat low carb, and protein diet. and i was doing keto with my butter, fatty stake, egg etc. everyone thought I was crazy. But the number and data don't lie! I won the fat loss and weight loss category. the others did lose weight but also lost a lot of muscle. I have 5 clients right now all only a month in and they all lost 5-13 lbs and 1-3.5 inches off their waist. So i am totally a keto advocate. seeing results with my clients and with my self also feeling the difference in my body and having clarity on keto compared to being on a non keto diet. Its very sustainable for me i don't need to worry about calories i just listen to my body i never did calorie restrict my self neither does my clients and we care getting amazing results!. I just eat when i'm hungry stop when im full. No starving trying to eat like a bird, being moody because you have to eat salads all day. just do your research and give it ago. and sorry so long lol really am passionate about it!
Obviously.
It's just too bad that all of that is incorrect and goes completely against physiology and the laws of energy balance. Magic doesn't exist, you have to be in a caloric deficit to lose weight. That's been scientifically proven over and over again. There is no "metabolic advantage" to a ketogenic diet, calories are calories.
Let's start here with some science:
https://shreddedbyscience.com/ketogenic-diets-actually-work-study-review/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16685046/
https://completehumanperformance.com/2013/07/23/why-calories-count/
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/316911061_A_Calorie_is_Still_a_Calorie_According_to_Rigorous_New_Evidence
http://georgiefear.com/2016/12/15/the-truth-about-ketogenic-dieting/
http://sciencedrivennutrition.com/do-carbohydrates-control-body-fat/
http://www.stephanguyenet.com/meta-analysis-impact-of-carbohydrate-vs-fat-calories-on-energy-expenditure-and-body-fatness/
So much B.S. here. PLEASE realize this guy is 100% wrong and I am 100% proof of it. Have been doing intermittent fasting and keto for 77 days as of today and have lost 47 lbs so far. Have not been in a caloric deficit at all. In fact a lot of days I am in a caloric surplus. Do some research on combining intermittent fasting with keto.
And as I've said on other threads. If this guy or anyone on this sight want to put some money where their mouth is I will put up $1000 to anyone here to prove what I've lost, how I've lost it, and in how long I've lost it. 100% B.S. that you HAVE to be in a caloric deficit to lose weight. Get your body into a FULL time keto adapted state and you will lose weight at an extrodinary rate. And if you want to gain muscle at the same time do that too by working out and making sure you eat at least between .4 to 1 gram of protein a day. I have been doing 5 to 10% carbs, 20 to 25% protein and around 70% good fats per day. Even with my exercise I still am not in a caloric deficit so don't believe everything you read here on this forum cause there is SO MUCH crap I am reading all over the place here. Best thing to do is try it and see what the truth is and if you want any guidance, advice, or info send me a message.
The power of combining intermittent fasting with keto is unbelievable powerful with fat loss, health, energy, muscle gain etc.. Just do a search online and read of all the people who report the incredible amazing results in their lives from it.
I do full body composition imaging scans to track my fat % loss and lean muscle mass gains. There is no better way to know for sure what's going on with your fat loss and muscle gains.
TRUE THAT THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS! I'm getting bashed on here for my experience I to do intermittent fasting and I love it and you said it "FULL time keto adapted state" and ill also put in $1000!! I do the same body composition scan the number don't lie! good for you keep it up the feeling is amazing26 -
Nobody is saying you can't lose weight on a ketogenic diet. It's certainly possible, just as it is on any other diet. All that's required is a caloric deficit, just like any other diet. The rest of it is where you're wrong, believing all the keto propaganda about calories not counting, not needing to restrict, the BS about fat, "keto clarity" (which is subjective and again not universal), etc. The things you're repeating from the ketovangelists are not true and directly defy physiology/physics, as evidenced in the links I posted above.akinastrong wrote: »first on all this is not incorrect because i'm doing it successfully with amazing results and so are my clients. so who are you to say that everything i wrote is incorrect. second how do you set a number on it to be Caloric deficit? being on a keto diet naturally suppresses your appetite if you are doing it correctly so there is no need to calorie restrict your self. and third have you tried the diet?
At any rate, I'm done before it turns into a full-blown debate. This has been hashed out over and over again here in the forums. OP can choose who she wants to believe and make her own choices.
okay dude im done to people like you are just set in your ways. Bumbai you learn!17 -
100_PROOF_ wrote: »Ok so if you say that your eating at a caloric surplus while in ketosis that you'll lose weight at extreme rates? ( water weight maybe but I'll play along) so how do people bulk in keto then? What about the people who want to gain weight on keto ? Will they not gain since keto magically causes weight loss without a deficit?
What real proof can you offer to support this extraordinary claim?
You're claiming that you can defy science and magically lose weight and build muscle just by doing keto and IF , correct?
I hope one of the ketovangelists answer this one. I'd really like to know. I mean, I've heard there are a few keto bodybuilders - how do they do it if they're just continually magically losing weight all the time from eating fat, regardless of how many calories they eat? That doesn't make sense to me at all. It's very confusing, I sure hope somebody can explain the scientific principles behind it.11 -
My best results have always been Keto based. I naturally do an 16/8 IF due to my work and find the LCHF really helps me through the day. Before I tried LCHF (Keto), I was 235, now I'm 180. It's a tedious protocol, but it does work!4
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akinastrong wrote: »PaulChasinDreams wrote: »akinastrong wrote: »I been on keto for 5 months now and I love it. prior to doing keto I could not stay away from carbs and sweets. a busy mom of two a 3 year old and a one year old keto was the best health choice I have ever made!!! I stick to 80%fat, 15% protein and 5% carb. the whole "caloric deficit " is a bunch of bull to me and I don't believe it at all. there is know way a person can prove how much calories you are burning through out the day. not one persons metabolic rate is the same and everyone does something different everyday so you cant put a straight number on it. and far as the studies read above the high carb and low carb yes its not different because "carbs is carbs" and what a lot of people are missing is keto is just not a low carb diet they key is a HIGH FAT diet. and your goal is to get into ketosis, that's where you start burning fat. Research high fat diet vs. low low carb diet and you will see the difference. I have lost 25lbs since starting keto and it was effortless I have also kicked the cravings for sweets and carbs. I have a ton more energy to play with my kids, and I don't wake up feeling like a zombie from having a rough night with my baby. Not to mention 23lbs of that was straight fat loss! We had a 12 week biggest loser at work majority were doing the low calories (eating like a bird) and doing no fat low carb, and protein diet. and i was doing keto with my butter, fatty stake, egg etc. everyone thought I was crazy. But the number and data don't lie! I won the fat loss and weight loss category. the others did lose weight but also lost a lot of muscle. I have 5 clients right now all only a month in and they all lost 5-13 lbs and 1-3.5 inches off their waist. So i am totally a keto advocate. seeing results with my clients and with my self also feeling the difference in my body and having clarity on keto compared to being on a non keto diet. Its very sustainable for me i don't need to worry about calories i just listen to my body i never did calorie restrict my self neither does my clients and we care getting amazing results!. I just eat when i'm hungry stop when im full. No starving trying to eat like a bird, being moody because you have to eat salads all day. just do your research and give it ago. and sorry so long lol really am passionate about it!
Obviously.
It's just too bad that all of that is incorrect and goes completely against physiology and the laws of energy balance. Magic doesn't exist, you have to be in a caloric deficit to lose weight. That's been scientifically proven over and over again. There is no "metabolic advantage" to a ketogenic diet, calories are calories.
Let's start here with some science:
https://shreddedbyscience.com/ketogenic-diets-actually-work-study-review/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16685046/
https://completehumanperformance.com/2013/07/23/why-calories-count/
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/316911061_A_Calorie_is_Still_a_Calorie_According_to_Rigorous_New_Evidence
http://georgiefear.com/2016/12/15/the-truth-about-ketogenic-dieting/
http://sciencedrivennutrition.com/do-carbohydrates-control-body-fat/
http://www.stephanguyenet.com/meta-analysis-impact-of-carbohydrate-vs-fat-calories-on-energy-expenditure-and-body-fatness/
So much B.S. here. PLEASE realize this guy is 100% wrong and I am 100% proof of it. Have been doing intermittent fasting and keto for 77 days as of today and have lost 47 lbs so far. Have not been in a caloric deficit at all. In fact a lot of days I am in a caloric surplus. Do some research on combining intermittent fasting with keto.
And as I've said on other threads. If this guy or anyone on this sight want to put some money where their mouth is I will put up $1000 to anyone here to prove what I've lost, how I've lost it, and in how long I've lost it. 100% B.S. that you HAVE to be in a caloric deficit to lose weight. Get your body into a FULL time keto adapted state and you will lose weight at an extrodinary rate. And if you want to gain muscle at the same time do that too by working out and making sure you eat at least between .4 to 1 gram of protein a day. I have been doing 5 to 10% carbs, 20 to 25% protein and around 70% good fats per day. Even with my exercise I still am not in a caloric deficit so don't believe everything you read here on this forum cause there is SO MUCH crap I am reading all over the place here. Best thing to do is try it and see what the truth is and if you want any guidance, advice, or info send me a message.
The power of combining intermittent fasting with keto is unbelievable powerful with fat loss, health, energy, muscle gain etc.. Just do a search online and read of all the people who report the incredible amazing results in their lives from it.
I do full body composition imaging scans to track my fat % loss and lean muscle mass gains. There is no better way to know for sure what's going on with your fat loss and muscle gains.
TRUE THAT THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS! I'm getting bashed on here for my experience I to do intermittent fasting and I love it and you said it "FULL time keto adapted state" and ill also put in $1000!! I do the same body composition scan the number don't lie! good for you keep it up the feeling is amazing
Nobody here is saying keto doesn't work. They are just disagreeing on WHY it works. It's only keto proponents who insist the diet is better for everyone and/or works regardless of calories that get push back.
I am not satiated by fat. I can easily scarf down a canister of nuts or an ungodly amount of cheese if I'm not careful. I don't feel full unless I have some starchy or fibrous carbs. And regarding your initial post, I never ate like a bird or lived on salads. Most people I know couldn't believe I was losing weight considering the volume of food they would see me eat.
You were successful with keto because you are satiated by fats and eating that way made it easy/effortless for you to eat at the right calorie level. I am satiated by carbs so eating @ 50% carbs made it easy for me to eat at the right calorie level. Not sure why it needs to be an argument.22 -
akinastrong wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »@akinastrong Calories do matter.
I never said it didn't matter I just said I don't tract mine and restrict my calories because keto naturally suppresses my and my clients appetite.
Whether you track them or not, whether you purposefully try to restrict or it just happens because you are satiated eating a LCHF diet - the calorie deficit is what is causing your weight loss. Keto can be a great solution for those who find eating this way enjoyable and satiating, but weight loss comes from the calories not the foods or the macros.
You mention clients, what kind of clients? Don’t you think you would have better success in recruiting and retaining clients if you presented a balanced, factual, scientific analysis for your recommendations ? This includes knowing what causes the weight loss (calories), and that there can be other side effects - keto flu, some of the digestive issues from high fat if you aren’t getting enough fiber, etc. Potential clients would also probably appreciate hearing some of the cons, in addition to your exuberant details of the perceived benefits.
Glad you found something that works well for you.
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100_PROOF_ wrote: »Ok so if you say that your eating at a caloric surplus while in ketosis that you'll lose weight at extreme rates? ( water weight maybe but I'll play along) so how do people bulk in keto then? What about the people who want to gain weight on keto ? Will they not gain since keto magically causes weight loss without a deficit?
What real proof can you offer to support this extraordinary claim?
You're claiming that you can defy science and magically lose weight and build muscle just by doing keto and IF , correct?
I posed the question in this thread in Debate, to avoid clogging up this thread any further with woo: https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10661296/keto-bodybuilders4 -
100_PROOF_ wrote: »Ok so if you say that your eating at a caloric surplus while in ketosis that you'll lose weight at extreme rates? ( water weight maybe but I'll play along) so how do people bulk in keto then? What about the people who want to gain weight on keto ? Will they not gain since keto magically causes weight loss without a deficit?
What real proof can you offer to support this extraordinary claim?
You're claiming that you can defy science and magically lose weight and build muscle just by doing keto and IF , correct?
On keto alone WITHOUT intermittent fasting and a neutral caloric intake you will not gain weight but you will lose it if you are "truly" keto adapted. Caloric deficit of course will aid even more rapid FAT loss, BUT as my statement IS WITH BOTH intermittent fasting COMBINED with a fully KETO ADAPTED metabolism YES you can LOSE FAT while being in a bit of a caloric surplus. The most surplus I have been to test this was almost two weeks straight of being in surplus of anywhere from 100 to 300 calories per day. AND keep in mind I ensure, every day that I ALWAYS eat enough protein in a day to sustain OR GAIN muscle mass WHILE STILL LOSING FAT.
My whole weight loss has been under the direct supervision of my doctor who is not only amazed by the intermittent fasting combo'd with the keto eating that he is closely documenting everything as well as communicating information with a nutritionalist who is also closely observing all of the results and methods used.
Keep in mind I do long fast in between my meals. I eat once per day in a 40 minute period. So I fast 23 hrs and 20 minutes each day. And have NEVER felt better. Not even when I was in my early 20's and was super fit with very little fat % and high lean mass. I am 44 years old right now and still have about 50 lbs to lose to get to my goal of around 175 lbs and 10 to 14% body fat. Stay tuned and you'll see it all in a journal soon enough 24 -
akinastrong wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »@akinastrong Calories do matter.
I never said it didn't matter I just said I don't tract mine and restrict my calories because keto naturally suppresses my and my clients appetite.
Clients?! I hope you are referring to keto os or some other mlm type of clients......5 -
100_PROOF_ wrote: »Ok so if you say that your eating at a caloric surplus while in ketosis that you'll lose weight at extreme rates? ( water weight maybe but I'll play along) so how do people bulk in keto then? What about the people who want to gain weight on keto ? Will they not gain since keto magically causes weight loss without a deficit?
What real proof can you offer to support this extraordinary claim?
You're claiming that you can defy science and magically lose weight and build muscle just by doing keto and IF , correct?
And to answer your question about gaining MUSCLE on keto. Yes it is very easy to gain weight on keto lol. Have you not researched that or watched peoples stories and pictures, and work out/eating regimens on youtube and the such... Such old science is just cramming this forum full of nonesense lol. Yes, eat enough protein and you will sustain your lean muscle mass under your fat you are trying to lose. If you want to gain LEAN MUSCLE MASS while doing keto then you work out and eat the right amount of protein to feed your growing muscle. This is not new info man. Have you not visited a gym or talked to any athletes, body builders etc doing keto and gaining lean muscle mass???? Lol tons and tons and tons of people doing it. I didn't just fall into this by fluke. I seen people I know living the life of intermittent fasting and keto WHILE exercising, working out and staying lean or gaining lean mass and losing body fat. Please research more if you continue to disbelief. Narrow mindness usually only results in no insight or knowledge gained.
Of course caloric deficit is a way to lose weight. No Sh.t.... who doesn't know that. BUT there are also other VERY healthy ways to do more than just that.22 -
WinoGelato wrote: »akinastrong wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »@akinastrong Calories do matter.
I never said it didn't matter I just said I don't tract mine and restrict my calories because keto naturally suppresses my and my clients appetite.
Whether you track them or not, whether you purposefully try to restrict or it just happens because you are satiated eating a LCHF diet - the calorie deficit is what is causing your weight loss. Keto can be a great solution for those who find eating this way enjoyable and satiating, but weight loss comes from the calories not the foods or the macros.
You mention clients, what kind of clients? Don’t you think you would have better success in recruiting and retaining clients if you presented a balanced, factual, scientific analysis for your recommendations ? This includes knowing what causes the weight loss (calories), and that there can be other side effects - keto flu, some of the digestive issues from high fat if you aren’t getting enough fiber, etc. Potential clients would also probably appreciate hearing some of the cons, in addition to your exuberant details of the perceived benefits.
Glad you found something that works well for you.
Again I did not say calories doesn't matter I'm simply saying I do not track them. Macros come into play when your trying to get onto ketosis.and yes I have clients. And why do you nees to k ow what kind od clients i have? Regular people who cant kick the carbs and sugar, not had many failed attempts at weigjt loss. and my clients are well-equipped with the ketogenic diet why would I state that info on here and break down? You need to do your own reasearch. I do it for my clients myself and my clients have never experienced the keto flu nor any gut issues that some people complain about. You get that information on a one-on-one conversation I don't just put those things out there it took a lot of research an education for me to dial things down. I ain't on here looking for clients so I'm not putting the details on keto out there I'm simply sharing my experience I do why the heck you guys are being so technical!15 -
singingflutelady wrote: »akinastrong wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »@akinastrong Calories do matter.
I never said it didn't matter I just said I don't tract mine and restrict my calories because keto naturally suppresses my and my clients appetite.
Clients?! I hope you are referring to keto os or some other mlm type of clients......
Clients meaning people I'm am helping with the diet. And track there progress14 -
akinastrong wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »akinastrong wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »@akinastrong Calories do matter.
I never said it didn't matter I just said I don't tract mine and restrict my calories because keto naturally suppresses my and my clients appetite.
Clients?! I hope you are referring to keto os or some other mlm type of clients......
Clients meaning people I'm am helping with the diet. And track there progress
You've been on keto for 4.5 months......15
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