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singingflutelady wrote: »akinastrong wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »akinastrong wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »@akinastrong Calories do matter.
I never said it didn't matter I just said I don't tract mine and restrict my calories because keto naturally suppresses my and my clients appetite.
Clients?! I hope you are referring to keto os or some other mlm type of clients......
Clients meaning people I'm am helping with the diet. And track there progress
You've been on keto for 4.5 months......
And you point is?7 -
VERY VERY simple science here people. Some of you posting here just don't understand it and or are just brainwashed into believing you HAVE to be in a caloric deficit to lose FAT. NO YOU DON'T. Try to read and understand what a TRULY KETO ADAPTED METABOLISM IS!!! YOU burn fat all day long even if you are NOT in a deficit!!!!
AND VERY VERY simple science how guys like me are gaining lean muscle mass WHILE losing FAT... Your muscles grow by being in sense "injured" while working out. Injured isn't a great term but in fact the muscles get tons of tiny tears in them and they require protein "amino acids" to repair those areas. As the muscles repair they grow and gain size and weight. All you need to do is find the right number of grams of protein to eat per lb of your body weight for your body to keep those muscles fed as you continue to lose body fat. Usually between .4 to 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight. This Is not a new thing lol. Friends of mine have been doing this for quite awhile now. Just because you are losing FAT DOESN'T mean the muscles won't grow if you feed them and work them out. Your body will NOT go CATOTONIC IF IT IS IN A FULL KETO ADAPTED STATE AND YOU FEED YOURSELF ENOUGH PROTEIN!!!27 -
Man, I sure hope not. Going catatonic is bad. Really bad. I don't think anybody ever said keto makes you catatonic.PaulChasinDreams wrote: »...Your body will NOT go CATOTONIC IF IT IS IN A FULL KETO ADAPTED STATE AND YOU FEED YOURSELF ENOUGH PROTEIN!!!
But I learned something new - never knew that protein had anything to do with going catatonic.
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akinastrong wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »akinastrong wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »akinastrong wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »@akinastrong Calories do matter.
I never said it didn't matter I just said I don't tract mine and restrict my calories because keto naturally suppresses my and my clients appetite.
Clients?! I hope you are referring to keto os or some other mlm type of clients......
Clients meaning people I'm am helping with the diet. And track there progress
You've been on keto for 4.5 months......
And you point is?
I personally would only pay for nutritional or fitness advice from people who have a lot more than 4.5 months of training.22 -
singingflutelady wrote: »akinastrong wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »akinastrong wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »akinastrong wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »@akinastrong Calories do matter.
I never said it didn't matter I just said I don't tract mine and restrict my calories because keto naturally suppresses my and my clients appetite.
Clients?! I hope you are referring to keto os or some other mlm type of clients......
Clients meaning people I'm am helping with the diet. And track there progress
You've been on keto for 4.5 months......
And you point is?
I personally would only pay for nutritional or fitness advice from people who have a lot more than 4.5 months of training.
I wouldn't even take advice for free from somebody who's been on a diet for 4.5 months (there's been no discussion about any training, or lack thereof, so that's a moot point).16 -
The method I found for losing weight and then keeping it off long term was just eating to correct calorie level - certainly didnt go keto or any remote version of low carb. Or do any version of IF.
for OP - I think just eating to your correct calorie amount and keeping to a more or less balanced diet, tweaking it as you go to what works for you - much better plan for long term success.7 -
ksingingflutelady wrote: »akinastrong wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »akinastrong wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »akinastrong wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »@akinastrong Calories do matter.
I never said it didn't matter I just said I don't tract mine and restrict my calories because keto naturally suppresses my and my clients appetite.
Clients?! I hope you are referring to keto os or some other mlm type of clients......
Clients meaning people I'm am helping with the diet. And track there progress
You've been on keto for 4.5 months......
And you point is?
I personally would only pay for nutritional or fitness advice from people who have a lot more than 4.5 months of training.
First of all you have no idea the amount of research I have done prior to getting into the ketogenic diet and how long I've been researching prior to getting into it. You don't know my spouse and how long he's been doing it and then research he's put into it and you know what that's the problem with you guys on here you guys are too quick to judge and put people down to make yourself feel better and smarter I simply just shared my experience nothing more and this is the kind of backlash I get for doing so. And for your information I don't charge my clients I do it simply because I would like to see them healthier and feeling better and confident in their own skin. I have done my research and I know a lot about the diet I don't know it all but I do know a lot which is by myself and my clients never went through the keto flu or had any gut issues with the ketogenic diet. Some of you on here are just absolutely ridiculous Community post like this are supposed to be encouraging to help others but you guys in the other hand batch and belittle you guys should try in couraging someone for a change you might just feel better about your self27 -
First of all you have no idea the amount of research I have done prior to getting into the ketogenic diet and how long I've been researching prior to getting into it. You don't know my spouse and how long he's been doing it and then research he's put into it and you know what that's the problem with you guys on here you guys are too quick to judge and put people down to make yourself feel better and smarter I simply just shared my experience nothing more and this is the kind of backlash I get for doing so. And for your information I don't charge my clients I do it simply because I would like to see them healthier and feeling better and confident in their own skin. I have done my research and I know a lot about the diet I don't know it all but I do know a lot which is by myself and my clients never went through the keto flu or had any gut issues with the ketogenic diet. Some of you on here are just absolutely ridiculous Community post like this are supposed to be encouraging to help others but you guys in the other hand batch and belittle you guys should try in couraging someone for a change you might just feel better about your self17 -
It is threads like this, with the misinformed zealotry, that give the ketogenic diet such a bad rap. A LCHF ketogenic diet can be a viable strategy for weight loss for those who are satiated by fat, and when it ensures a calorie deficit. It can offer some health benefits to those who are IR. Apart from that, it is simply a personal choice and the ludicrous claims do absolutely nothing to help establish a solid, science based foundation to encourage people like the OP to try and stick with the program. The successful, rational regulars in the LC group must cringe when threads like this come up. Same for the IF’ers. It works because it helps people create a calorie deficit in a way that works for their lifestyle.36
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WinoGelato wrote: »It is threads like this, with the misinformed zealotry, that give the ketogenic diet such a bad rap. A LCHF ketogenic diet can be a viable strategy for weight loss for those who are satiated by fat, and when it ensures a calorie deficit. It can offer some health benefits to those who are IR. Apart from that, it is simply a personal choice and the ludicrous claims do absolutely nothing to help establish a solid, science based foundation to encourage people like the OP to try and stick with the program. The successful, rational regulars in the LC group must cringe when threads like this come up. Same for the IF’ers. It works because it helps people create a calorie deficit in a way that works for their lifestyle.
Agree 100%. Every word.13 -
Cringe.
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My two cents. Keto like veganism and vegetarianism, comes in different flavors. There are fat vegetarians and vegans as well as ultra thin ones. Most good diet plans I have heard of succeeding, are the ones with copious amounts of vegetables with no refined carbohydrates. Keto, from my research, can achieve this. In fact since one of its tennants is ultra low carbs. It can achieve this very well. Been studying up on diabetes, sounds like excess sugar is the big baddy, not good fats.14
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ronaldwileypope wrote: »My two cents. Keto like veganism and vegetarianism, comes in different flavors. There are fat vegetarians and vegans as well as ultra thin ones. Most good diet plans I have heard of succeeding, are the ones with copious amounts of vegetables with no refined carbohydrates. Keto, from my research, can achieve this. In fact since one of its tennants is ultra low carbs. It can achieve this very well. Been studying up on diabetes, sounds like excess sugar is the big baddy, not good fats.
If you'd been studying the proper stuff about diabetes, you'd know that sugar doesn't cause it.
Obesity is strongly linked to diabetes as a causative factor, though. And obesity comes from eating too many calories. Regardless of whether they're carbs/sugar, fat or protein.18 -
ronaldwileypope wrote: »My two cents. Keto like veganism and vegetarianism, comes in different flavors. There are fat vegetarians and vegans as well as ultra thin ones. Most good diet plans I have heard of succeeding, are the ones with copious amounts of vegetables with no refined carbohydrates. Keto, from my research, can achieve this. In fact since one of its tennants is ultra low carbs. It can achieve this very well. Been studying up on diabetes, sounds like excess sugar is the big baddy, not good fats.
How exactly does one eat copious amounts of vegetables (carbs) on a ketogenic diet? Excess sugar can be problematic for diabetics... but sugar doesn’t cause diabetes. In fact, one of the biggest contributors to diabetes is obesity, which can come from any type of diet, including one high in fats....9 -
WinoGelato wrote: »ronaldwileypope wrote: »My two cents. Keto like veganism and vegetarianism, comes in different flavors. There are fat vegetarians and vegans as well as ultra thin ones. Most good diet plans I have heard of succeeding, are the ones with copious amounts of vegetables with no refined carbohydrates. Keto, from my research, can achieve this. In fact since one of its tennants is ultra low carbs. It can achieve this very well. Been studying up on diabetes, sounds like excess sugar is the big baddy, not good fats.
How exactly does one eat copious amounts of vegetables (carbs) on a ketogenic diet? Excess sugar can be problematic for diabetics... but sugar doesn’t cause diabetes. In fact, one of the biggest contributors to diabetes is obesity, which can come from any type of diet, including one high in fats....
I've been studying Dr. Berg, DC's video's on youtube. He advocates 7-10 cups of non-starchy veggies a day. He also mentions that spiking insulin to much and too long causes diabetes and obesity is a symptom not a cause of diabetes.13 -
Ahh, Dr. Berg. That explains it. Say no more.ronaldwileypope wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »ronaldwileypope wrote: »My two cents. Keto like veganism and vegetarianism, comes in different flavors. There are fat vegetarians and vegans as well as ultra thin ones. Most good diet plans I have heard of succeeding, are the ones with copious amounts of vegetables with no refined carbohydrates. Keto, from my research, can achieve this. In fact since one of its tennants is ultra low carbs. It can achieve this very well. Been studying up on diabetes, sounds like excess sugar is the big baddy, not good fats.
How exactly does one eat copious amounts of vegetables (carbs) on a ketogenic diet? Excess sugar can be problematic for diabetics... but sugar doesn’t cause diabetes. In fact, one of the biggest contributors to diabetes is obesity, which can come from any type of diet, including one high in fats....
I've been studying Dr. Berg, DC's video's on youtube. He advocates 7-10 cups of non-starchy veggies a day. He also mentions that spiking insulin to much and too long causes diabetes and obesity is a symptom not a cause of diabetes.
When did chiropractors become diabetes researchers?
[ETA:] Here's a little morsel about your Dr. Berg. He's a quack. Seems he ran a bit afoul of the medical board and was censured/fined for peddling woo: https://www.casewatch.org/board/chiro/berg.shtml18 -
misschristine9724 wrote: »Yesterday was my first day haven’t ate much and today all I’ve had is scrambled eggs and water. I’m trying to decide if low carb is the way to go cuz I know the Keto diet depends on fats....but isn’t fat bad??. Or should I go with more protein and carbs.
I just had a baby a month ago so I’m looking to get down to my pre pregnancy weight of 133 currently sitting at 152. And no I’m not breastfeeding so that isn’t an issue. Just would like some input and some information.
Fats are fine. About the only time fat is not good is if you have familial hypercholesterolemia.
I'm not a big fan of high fat and high carb though. When carbs are high the body tends to store fat better. I'm of the opinion that if you want high carbs, lower fat is often better, but if you want high fats then lower carb works well.
You can do low carb with high protein, but fat usually ends up towards being higher than average. It's fine for most and works well for many. I've been keto for most of the past few years, and while losing 2-3 lbs a week, my fat was often 70-75% of my caloric totals.
If you do try it, increase your sodium though. Electrolytes usually fall when you lower carbs, and not enough sodium causes headaches, fatigue, moodiness, muscle aches and BM issues. If you use extra salt, you should be okay.
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misschristine9724 wrote: »Yesterday was my first day haven’t ate much and today all I’ve had is scrambled eggs and water. I’m trying to decide if low carb is the way to go cuz I know the Keto diet depends on fats....but isn’t fat bad??. Or should I go with more protein and carbs.
I just had a baby a month ago so I’m looking to get down to my pre pregnancy weight of 133 currently sitting at 152. And no I’m not breastfeeding so that isn’t an issue. Just would like some input and some information.
Fats are fine. About the only time fat is not good is if you have familial hypercholesterolemia.
I'm not a big fan of high fat and high carb though. When carbs are high the body tends to store fat better. I'm of the opinion that if you want high carbs, lower fat is often better, but if you want high fats then lower carb works well.
You can do low carb with high protein, but fat usually ends up towards being higher than average. It's fine for most and works well for many. I've been keto for most of the past few years, and while losing 2-3 lbs a week, my fat was often 70-75% of my caloric totals.
If you do try it, increase your sodium though. Electrolytes usually fall when you lower carbs, and not enough sodium causes headaches, fatigue, moodiness, muscle aches and BM issues. If you use extra salt, you should be okay.
Good info. What I would add is the addition of extra potassium to the diet too with sodium if going the keto route and when combined with intermittent fasting. A good electrolyte that doesn't have sugar added is a good choice. There are quite a few good ones on the market. Just be cautious of artificial flavors, colors, and sugars added to some of them.11 -
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ksingingflutelady wrote: »akinastrong wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »akinastrong wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »akinastrong wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »@akinastrong Calories do matter.
I never said it didn't matter I just said I don't tract mine and restrict my calories because keto naturally suppresses my and my clients appetite.
Clients?! I hope you are referring to keto os or some other mlm type of clients......
Clients meaning people I'm am helping with the diet. And track there progress
You've been on keto for 4.5 months......
And you point is?
I personally would only pay for nutritional or fitness advice from people who have a lot more than 4.5 months of training.
First of all you have no idea the amount of research I have done prior to getting into the ketogenic diet and how long I've been researching prior to getting into it. You don't know my spouse and how long he's been doing it and then research he's put into it and you know what that's the problem with you guys on here you guys are too quick to judge and put people down to make yourself feel better and smarter I simply just shared my experience nothing more and this is the kind of backlash I get for doing so. And for your information I don't charge my clients I do it simply because I would like to see them healthier and feeling better and confident in their own skin. I have done my research and I know a lot about the diet I don't know it all but I do know a lot which is by myself and my clients never went through the keto flu or had any gut issues with the ketogenic diet. Some of you on here are just absolutely ridiculous Community post like this are supposed to be encouraging to help others but you guys in the other hand batch and belittle you guys should try in couraging someone for a change you might just feel better about your self
I don't think people are bashing you by any means. What I have seen, is people making corrections to some of your statements. Often people take corrections as criticism when confronted with scientific evidence that are contrary to their current beliefs. In my personal opinion, having a discussion including all aspects of nutrition and eliminating emotion from the discussion is the best way to grow. Many of us believe myths because it's working; I used to believe that you need to increase meal frequency to increase metabolism (boy was I wrong). But we tend to follow and listen to advice that supports our own opinions and views.
I am very glad that what you have discovered has worked for you. But keep in mind, that you are still very new to the diet and losing weight is the easy part, while maintaining is the hard part. I am one of those people are not satiated by fats. I need starchy carbs, higher protein (~1g/lb) and high fiber (~20-40g). I have lost 50 lbs and kept it off for over 6 or 7 years now following a moderate carb/higher protein diet. I am roughly 16% body fat and at a 32" inseam from a 38" at my highest point; currently, I am focused on lifting while doing a bit of recomp and or minor cutting.
I have tried many diets over my 9 years of doing of starting this and have done a ton of personal research. I have done IF, Paleo, and tried low carb. All of those were significant failures for me. I never saw suppressed appetite while fasting (it just made me hungrier), even after 3 months of it. I was constantly starving and had low energy with low carb even with keeping sodium in the 5000mg range. The fact is, all of those diets, just like all diets, have different impacts on how people feel and how sustainable they are will depend on the individual. Keto is no different. It still has a 80-90% failure rate.
But when calories and protein is controlled, there is no fat loss difference between the two. Calories do matter, as demonstrated by thousands of metabolic ward and energy balance studies (https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/95/4/989/4576902) . These are facts, and only disputed by those trying to sell lifestyles (typically MD's, who don't have a background in nutritional sciences and metabolism (i.e., Dr. Fung)). Either way, regardless if you believe the science or not, if you enjoy your current eating style and feel its sustainable, then it's the best approach for you.
Now how does this apply to the OP? Simple, there is nothing we can say that will change the outcome. She will need to try to diet, if she feels it's right for her, to evaluate if it is. Your success and my successes are going to be completely different than others. I hope the OP finds a solution, but personally, I would never do keto. And trust me, I keep thinking about trying it, but I am a volume eater and fats are really expensive. It also makes me sad that I would have to cut out a ton of fruit, of which, I eat 3-7 servings of a day. I, also, don't want to take a step backwards on my lifting. Of the little evidence that does exist, anaerobic performance may be inhibited by keto diets. And even at best, muscle gains are not as easily obtained with keto diets (although, we can tailor those debates to: https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10611377/anyone-read-the-latest-research-on-keto-by-alan-aragon/p1)
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Wow this got way off topic! I did keto for about 5 months and didn't like it, didn't see any results, and I couldn't fit the foods I really enjoy into my diets (I like junk food, alot) without being kicked out of keto. So what it really came down to was (me) doing a diet I could do and enjoy for a very long time, so I went back to slow carb diet. It works for me!11
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