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  • alexmosealexmose Member Posts: 640 Member Member Posts: 640 Member
    steveko89 wrote: »
    Skulpt Data from this morning:
    rcpshktqalot.png
    Continuous but gradual improvement since March. Honestly better than I was expecting since weight has been up a bit.

    July weight chart:
    tvq9u8gdwomz.png
    You can really see the day I had like five donuts a few weeks ago. The last few days have been high carb and sodium with pizza Wednesday and chipotle last night.

    Actually took some pictures this morning too:
    tyey1xfdxslk.jpeg
    Comparing with the last batch of photos I took I probably hadn’t been giving myself enough credit in terms of added size but I do think I need to cut more to truly get to the point of starting a bulk. Thoughts?

    I think it’s been considered anything below 12%, go for the bulk for males so you’re in that zone! You’ve spent some time at maintence and likely are comfy with your current look. You could bulk but with the end of summer coming.....haha I always consider external factors
  • steveko89steveko89 Member Posts: 1,666 Member Member Posts: 1,666 Member
    alexmose wrote: »
    steveko89 wrote: »
    Skulpt Data from this morning:
    rcpshktqalot.png
    Continuous but gradual improvement since March. Honestly better than I was expecting since weight has been up a bit.

    July weight chart:
    tvq9u8gdwomz.png
    You can really see the day I had like five donuts a few weeks ago. The last few days have been high carb and sodium with pizza Wednesday and chipotle last night.

    Actually took some pictures this morning too:
    tyey1xfdxslk.jpeg
    Comparing with the last batch of photos I took I probably hadn’t been giving myself enough credit in terms of added size but I do think I need to cut more to truly get to the point of starting a bulk. Thoughts?

    I think it’s been considered anything below 12%, go for the bulk for males so you’re in that zone! You’ve spent some time at maintence and likely are comfy with your current look. You could bulk but with the end of summer coming.....haha I always consider external factors

    Depends on who you ask, sometimes 12%, sometimes <10% or until abs/you feel small. Despite leveling off at that 173 range I’d ultimately prefer to get leaner; I still feel like I have a thin layer of flab I need to get rid of in certain places. I’m also not convinced I can trust myself to make that decision appropriately as I have a serious problem with imposter syndrome, unrealistic expectations, and self-criticism.
  • watts6151watts6151 Member, Premium Posts: 704 Member Member, Premium Posts: 704 Member
    steveko89 wrote: »
    alexmose wrote: »
    steveko89 wrote: »
    Skulpt Data from this morning:
    rcpshktqalot.png
    Continuous but gradual improvement since March. Honestly better than I was expecting since weight has been up a bit.

    July weight chart:
    tvq9u8gdwomz.png
    You can really see the day I had like five donuts a few weeks ago. The last few days have been high carb and sodium with pizza Wednesday and chipotle last night.

    Actually took some pictures this morning too:
    tyey1xfdxslk.jpeg
    Comparing with the last batch of photos I took I probably hadn’t been giving myself enough credit in terms of added size but I do think I need to cut more to truly get to the point of starting a bulk. Thoughts?

    I think it’s been considered anything below 12%, go for the bulk for males so you’re in that zone! You’ve spent some time at maintence and likely are comfy with your current look. You could bulk but with the end of summer coming.....haha I always consider external factors

    Depends on who you ask, sometimes 12%, sometimes <10% or until abs/you feel small. Despite leveling off at that 173 range I’d ultimately prefer to get leaner; I still feel like I have a thin layer of flab I need to get rid of in certain places. I’m also not convinced I can trust myself to make that decision appropriately as I have a serious problem with imposter syndrome, unrealistic expectations, and self-criticism.

    First off your looking great
    Second I hate you for gaining 4lb of muscle in a month, that’s at least 2 years of work for me lol

    If you do plan I bulk I’d drop about 10lb
    Your holding fat in the usual places, lower back and abs, it’ll give you more wiggle room for bulking
  • steveko89steveko89 Member Posts: 1,666 Member Member Posts: 1,666 Member
    Thanks, Watts. I don’t think it’s really 4 lbs, in all actuality I should scan everyday and take the trend like with weight but I already spend too much time narotically collecting data. There are only a few accuracy comparisons outer but my impression is that it’s way better than your garden variety scale sensors but still only within 1-2% of underwater weighing so I don’t necessarily take the number as gospel.
  • steveko89steveko89 Member Posts: 1,666 Member Member Posts: 1,666 Member
    steveko89 wrote: »
    Thanks, Watts. I don’t think it’s really 4 lbs, in all actuality I should scan everyday and take the trend like with weight but I already spend too much time narotically collecting data. There are only a few accuracy comparisons outer but my impression is that it’s way better than your garden variety scale sensors but still only within 1-2% of underwater weighing so I don’t necessarily take the number as gospel.

    I did some follow-up to my alleged muscle gain rate. Taking my moving average weight in lieu of single day weight and comparing the skulpt scans I've done this year you get the following table:

    kyjgld0yrkgo.png

    So 3.208 lbs net muscle gain over 145 days, aka a rate of +0.619 lb/month while losing 1.19 lbs/month fat

    Calorie-wise, my data suggests I averaged a surplus of ~27 calories over that span per back-calculated TDEE and average tracked calories.
    edited August 3
  • watts6151watts6151 Member, Premium Posts: 704 Member Member, Premium Posts: 704 Member
    steveko89 wrote: »
    steveko89 wrote: »
    Thanks, Watts. I don’t think it’s really 4 lbs, in all actuality I should scan everyday and take the trend like with weight but I already spend too much time narotically collecting data. There are only a few accuracy comparisons outer but my impression is that it’s way better than your garden variety scale sensors but still only within 1-2% of underwater weighing so I don’t necessarily take the number as gospel.

    I did some follow-up to my alleged muscle gain rate. Taking my moving average weight in lieu of single day weight and comparing the skulpt scans I've done this year you get the following table:

    kyjgld0yrkgo.png

    So 3.208 lbs net muscle gain over 145 days, aka a rate of +0.619 lb/month while losing 1.19 lbs/month fat

    Calorie-wise, my data suggests I averaged a surplus of ~27 calories over that span per back-calculated TDEE and average tracked calories.

    Looks like great overall progress

    How are you working out your FFM
    Surely that should of gone up along side
    Your LBM ?


  • steveko89steveko89 Member Posts: 1,666 Member Member Posts: 1,666 Member
    watts6151 wrote: »
    steveko89 wrote: »
    steveko89 wrote: »
    Thanks, Watts. I don’t think it’s really 4 lbs, in all actuality I should scan everyday and take the trend like with weight but I already spend too much time narotically collecting data. There are only a few accuracy comparisons outer but my impression is that it’s way better than your garden variety scale sensors but still only within 1-2% of underwater weighing so I don’t necessarily take the number as gospel.

    I did some follow-up to my alleged muscle gain rate. Taking my moving average weight in lieu of single day weight and comparing the skulpt scans I've done this year you get the following table:

    kyjgld0yrkgo.png

    So 3.208 lbs net muscle gain over 145 days, aka a rate of +0.619 lb/month while losing 1.19 lbs/month fat

    Calorie-wise, my data suggests I averaged a surplus of ~27 calories over that span per back-calculated TDEE and average tracked calories.

    Looks like great overall progress

    How are you working out your FFM
    Surely that should of gone up along side
    Your LBM ?


    I didn't realize I fat-fingered the F key, that should just be "FM" as in "fat mass" as just the remainder of Total Weight - LBM
  • watts6151watts6151 Member, Premium Posts: 704 Member Member, Premium Posts: 704 Member
    steveko89 wrote: »
    watts6151 wrote: »
    steveko89 wrote: »
    steveko89 wrote: »
    Thanks, Watts. I don’t think it’s really 4 lbs, in all actuality I should scan everyday and take the trend like with weight but I already spend too much time narotically collecting data. There are only a few accuracy comparisons outer but my impression is that it’s way better than your garden variety scale sensors but still only within 1-2% of underwater weighing so I don’t necessarily take the number as gospel.

    I did some follow-up to my alleged muscle gain rate. Taking my moving average weight in lieu of single day weight and comparing the skulpt scans I've done this year you get the following table:

    kyjgld0yrkgo.png

    So 3.208 lbs net muscle gain over 145 days, aka a rate of +0.619 lb/month while losing 1.19 lbs/month fat

    Calorie-wise, my data suggests I averaged a surplus of ~27 calories over that span per back-calculated TDEE and average tracked calories.

    Looks like great overall progress

    How are you working out your FFM
    Surely that should of gone up along side
    Your LBM ?


    I didn't realize I fat-fingered the F key, that should just be "FM" as in "fat mass" as just the remainder of Total Weight - LBM

    That makes a lot more sense, thought I was missing something obvious 😂
    Great progress in under 5 months
  • sardelsasardelsa Member Posts: 9,495 Member Member Posts: 9,495 Member
    @steveko89 amazing progress! You look awesome. I would continue to lean out a bit then bulk . Have you bulked before?

    @quiksylver296 oh no feel better! *hugs*
  • steveko89steveko89 Member Posts: 1,666 Member Member Posts: 1,666 Member
    @sardelsa, thanks! That is the plan. I've stayed right around 2000 cals each day since Saturday and already down to 171.0 this morning. Per Watts' suggestion of dropping 10 more lbs I've set my target average weight to 164. I've not seen <170 since 2015 and <165 since 2013. I've also never really bulked properly as this is the leanest I've ever been since I started lifting. For the first half of 2017 I was trying to cut but eating way too much taking my HR monitor workout calories as gospel. Per skulpt I ended January 2017 at 14.8% and 177.2 and got to 14% at 181.8 in mid July but was too fluffy for comfort there. That's when I first started using TDEE and dropped to 170 by the following January.

    @quiksylver296, that really sucks, I hope you're able to bounce back soon. Hang in there!
  • watts6151watts6151 Member, Premium Posts: 704 Member Member, Premium Posts: 704 Member
    steveko89 wrote: »
    @sardelsa, thanks! That is the plan. I've stayed right around 2000 cals each day since Saturday and already down to 171.0 this morning. Per Watts' suggestion of dropping 10 more lbs I've set my target average weight to 164. I've not seen <170 since 2015 and <165 since 2013. I've also never really bulked properly as this is the leanest I've ever been since I started lifting. For the first half of 2017 I was trying to cut but eating way too much taking my HR monitor workout calories as gospel. Per skulpt I ended January 2017 at 14.8% and 177.2 and got to 14% at 181.8 in mid July but was too fluffy for comfort there. That's when I first started using TDEE and dropped to 170 by the following January.

    @quiksylver296, that really sucks, I hope you're able to bounce back soon. Hang in there!

    sounds like a plan, do you have any thoughts on the length of the bulk or are you going see how it goes ?
  • steveko89steveko89 Member Posts: 1,666 Member Member Posts: 1,666 Member
    watts6151 wrote: »
    steveko89 wrote: »
    @sardelsa, thanks! That is the plan. I've stayed right around 2000 cals each day since Saturday and already down to 171.0 this morning. Per Watts' suggestion of dropping 10 more lbs I've set my target average weight to 164. I've not seen <170 since 2015 and <165 since 2013. I've also never really bulked properly as this is the leanest I've ever been since I started lifting. For the first half of 2017 I was trying to cut but eating way too much taking my HR monitor workout calories as gospel. Per skulpt I ended January 2017 at 14.8% and 177.2 and got to 14% at 181.8 in mid July but was too fluffy for comfort there. That's when I first started using TDEE and dropped to 170 by the following January.

    @quiksylver296, that really sucks, I hope you're able to bounce back soon. Hang in there!

    sounds like a plan, do you have any thoughts on the length of the bulk or are you going see how it goes ?

    When the time comes I was thinking I'd probably stick to a leaner bulk at ~1 lb/month. Granted, I've never properly bulked so I'm definitely open to suggestions.
  • psuLemonpsuLemon Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium Posts: 36,539 MFP Moderator Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium Posts: 36,539 MFP Moderator
    psuLemon wrote: »
    I am on vacation this week. So no dieting. Suspect I'll be up several lbs when i am done. But that is just how it always goes.

    In typical fashion for me, I went all out on vacation, lol. Drinks and ice cream/custard every night. Was 167 when I left, came back to 174. But I had fun, so I call it a success. Back to hard core dieting. Dropped 2 lbs this morning. Hoping to get back down in the 160s by next week.

    ETA: You all look amazing. Keep up the good work.
    edited August 4
  • steveko89steveko89 Member Posts: 1,666 Member Member Posts: 1,666 Member
    Weighed in at 170.8 this morning. Five days averaging right at a 500 cal deficit to TDEE. For those more experienced on cutting and carb-related changes, any guess to how much this initial dip is due to water weight as my average carbs have dropped from ~200 g/day to 135?
  • watts6151watts6151 Member, Premium Posts: 704 Member Member, Premium Posts: 704 Member
    steveko89 wrote: »
    Weighed in at 170.8 this morning. Five days averaging right at a 500 cal deficit to TDEE. For those more experienced on cutting and carb-related changes, any guess to how much this initial dip is due to water weight as my average carbs have dropped from ~200 g/day to 135?

    A very rough ball park 1300g of glycogen
    Would be my estimate

    65g carbs x 3g of water x 5 days

    Obviously lots of other variables
    edited August 5
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