May 2018 Running Challenge

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  • RunsOnEspresso
    RunsOnEspresso Posts: 3,218 Member
    girlinahat wrote: »
    So weekly mileage.

    Does the body reset on a Sunday ?
    (Monday more likely as many long runs are at weekends).

    So if I want to do a long run (say 20 miles) ideally I need to have done an additional 40 miles over the course of that week (going on a 30% ratio). So three other runs of half marathon distance each.

    Am I going to TRULY be recovered enough to do that 20 mile run? ( research DOES show that those who run more miles hit faster marathon times, but I wonder how long those in the studies have spent building base mileage prior to that?)

    Currently I know I’m pushing my luck, personally. My long run is about 50% of my weekly mileage, BUT, I know I am not running to win any time trophy, and am simply out for time on feet right now, plus cross-training. It’s too late in my marathon training to add much in the way of extra running days. This isn’t the way I want it to be but the best way I can manage it for me, now.

    I know a lot of elites run fortnightly cycles. Is there merit in this? Certainly cut-back weeks every third week are seen in plans, and I’ve seen other plans where the long run is built at a steeper ratio (adding 3-4miles compared to the previous week) AS LONG AS that increase is repeated the following week without further miles added to the long run.

    In my humble opinion, the body has no clue what day of the week is since we pretty much made up time/days of weeks.

    I tend to take an active rest day the day after my long run. But I've found if I don't keep moving it's easier for me to get off track. I don't think I've seen plans with 3-4 mile increases on long runs. Maybe those are far more advanced than what I look at. Sadly, this sounds like one of those see what works for your situation because everyone is different.

    I am no help.
  • PastorVincent
    PastorVincent Posts: 6,668 Member
    girlinahat wrote: »
    So weekly mileage.

    Does the body reset on a Sunday ?
    (Monday more likely as many long runs are at weekends).

    So if I want to do a long run (say 20 miles) ideally I need to have done an additional 40 miles over the course of that week (going on a 30% ratio). So three other runs of half marathon distance each.

    Am I going to TRULY be recovered enough to do that 20 mile run? ( research DOES show that those who run more miles hit faster marathon times, but I wonder how long those in the studies have spent building base mileage prior to that?)

    Currently I know I’m pushing my luck, personally. My long run is about 50% of my weekly mileage, BUT, I know I am not running to win any time trophy, and am simply out for time on feet right now, plus cross-training. It’s too late in my marathon training to add much in the way of extra running days. This isn’t the way I want it to be but the best way I can manage it for me, now.

    I know a lot of elites run fortnightly cycles. Is there merit in this? Certainly cut-back weeks every third week are seen in plans, and I’ve seen other plans where the long run is built at a steeper ratio (adding 3-4miles compared to the previous week) AS LONG AS that increase is repeated the following week without further miles added to the long run.

    IMO, YMMV, I am not a doctor and all that.

    YES do cut back weeks. Definitely.

    You can not cram for a marathon though. Do what you can, but know that can not shortcut time on your feet week after week. Grab one of the popular and well-trusted training plans, and follow at least its pattern if not its mileage.

    But again... YOU CAN NOT CRAM FOR A MARATHON (caps for emphasis).

  • PastorVincent
    PastorVincent Posts: 6,668 Member
    RunsOnEspresso wrote: »
    girlinahat wrote: »
    So weekly mileage.

    Does the body reset on a Sunday ?

    In my humble opinion, the body has no clue what day of the week is since we pretty much made up time/days of weeks.


    Correct. Take a rest day on the day that makes sense for your life/schedule. Does not even have to be the same day each week, but it is easier to plan if it is. :)
  • Orphia
    Orphia Posts: 7,097 Member
    girlinahat wrote: »
    So weekly mileage.

    Does the body reset on a Sunday ?
    (Monday more likely as many long runs are at weekends).

    So if I want to do a long run (say 20 miles) ideally I need to have done an additional 40 miles over the course of that week (going on a 30% ratio). So three other runs of half marathon distance each.

    Am I going to TRULY be recovered enough to do that 20 mile run? ( research DOES show that those who run more miles hit faster marathon times, but I wonder how long those in the studies have spent building base mileage prior to that?)

    Currently I know I’m pushing my luck, personally. My long run is about 50% of my weekly mileage, BUT, I know I am not running to win any time trophy, and am simply out for time on feet right now, plus cross-training. It’s too late in my marathon training to add much in the way of extra running days. This isn’t the way I want it to be but the best way I can manage it for me, now.

    I know a lot of elites run fortnightly cycles. Is there merit in this? Certainly cut-back weeks every third week are seen in plans, and I’ve seen other plans where the long run is built at a steeper ratio (adding 3-4miles compared to the previous week) AS LONG AS that increase is repeated the following week without further miles added to the long run.

    @girlinahat

    Sounds fine to me, but I don't always go by the book.

    My long run is often 50% of my total mileage. i.e. same distance as the total of my other runs done that week.

    I've only been running 2 years 8 months, but I run 4-5 times a week.

    I think it takes years of running regularly to be able to do 40 miles plus a 20 mile long run.

    I'm more a believer in adequate rest and recovery than I am in shoehorning maths formulas into a 7 day cycle.
  • shanaber
    shanaber Posts: 6,423 Member
    @5BeautifulDays - Thanks! I will see if I can get over to the tidal basin - maybe on Monday!
    @abutcher2122 - damned CA drivers and their CA stops!! I won't cross anymore until I know they are seeing me and actually stopping.
    @Elise4270 - my go to shoe is the Skora Tempo (also 0 drop). I also have a pair of Saucony Kinvara's that I am rotating in but and they are ok - they make my forefoot fall asleep though so not ideal. The Tempo's have some cushion but not a lot so my hope was to have the Saucony's for a nice cushy recovery/easy run... not so much. I am thinking to get another pair of Skora Tempos or the Topo ST-2s. I had them before and loved them almost as much as the Skora's.
    @MegaMooseEsq - I don't think the lifting that you are doing is necessarily counter productive to your running. I have been lifting at least 2x/week since before I started running and found it compliments my running as long as I match my lifting to what I am running that day and/or the following day. i.e. I don't want to do a hard run and then try to lift or do a heavy leg workout or try to do a hard run when my lower body is sore/tired from lifting. I also cut back on lifting before any race - sometimes difficult when my trainer has other plans ('you're running it as just a training run, right?') but generally we can work through it.
  • abutcher2122
    abutcher2122 Posts: 175 Member
    @shanaber Oh he didn’t even attempt to do a CA stop. I was actually walking across the intersection when I saw him coming down when I was halfway across so I started to jog. I really don’t know why I expected him to stop cuz I’ve almost been at least once a week from douchnozzles not willing to wait to make a turn. I should probably go back to running between the hours 11p-4a. That was always a nice peaceful run time.
  • ContraryMaryMary
    ContraryMaryMary Posts: 1,787 Member
    fitoverfortymom wrote: »
    Would the solid course of action be to run a few miles pre-race and then be super warmed up for the race? If I have my sluggish miles out of the way before the gun, then I suppose the idea is that I can just haul *kitten* for three miles? I mean, I won't win or anything, but I kind of want to know what my "5k race pace" is.

    My coach once told me, the shorter the race, the longer the warm up. I run about three kilometres at a relaxed pace prior to a 5k event. Don't bother with a warm up when I'm running a half.
  • ContraryMaryMary
    ContraryMaryMary Posts: 1,787 Member
    1 May: 11.64
    2 May: 6.0 + yoga
    3 May: 7.22
    4 May: Rest
    5 May: 6.6 + yoga
    6 May: 12.74
    7 May: yoga
    8 May: 6.72
    9 May: yoga
    10 May: 10.04
    11 May: rest
    12 May: yoga
    13 May: 13.13
    14 May: yoga
    15 May: 6.59
    16 May: yoga
    17 May: 10.12
    18 May: pizza
    19 May: yoga

    90.80 of 150km
  • RunsOnEspresso
    RunsOnEspresso Posts: 3,218 Member
    @shanaber @abutcher2122 Arizona drivers have gone from CA stop to stop? WTF is a stop?!? They ignore red lights when making right-hand turns. Have no idea what stop signs are. I am super careful when I'm out running (and driving). And I never look at my phone when driving.
  • Teerai
    Teerai Posts: 243 Member
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  • polskagirl01
    polskagirl01 Posts: 2,024 Member

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    I got attacked by some weird little animal on my run today, and I still haven't figured out what it was. I screamed and hopped to avoid it, it came at me again, I jumped out of the way and kept running. Anyone good at identifying small european mammals? A little bigger than a guinea pig, and similarly built, with light brown/dark brown/white almost ferret-like facial markings, and was charging at me, snarling with tiny ferociousness :) It didn't have the typical weasel's long body or long neck though, and moved close to the ground, more like a small groundhog, just not colored like a groundhog. I don't recall there being much of a tail. Any ideas?

    A few minutes later, a disheveled man who was shuffling along carrying beer, said to me - as though it was a regular greeting - "that's bad for your health". I kept going but nodded in acknowledgement - as though it were a regular greeting - and tried to get out of earshot before I burst out laughing.
  • PastorVincent
    PastorVincent Posts: 6,668 Member
    @polskagirl01 Did it bite you? If so you might want to get the bite checked out.
  • Elise4270
    Elise4270 Posts: 8,375 Member
    @polskagirl01 Yikes! I wouldn't have a clue what it was. Is rabies a thing there? Or do critters get distemper like dogs do?

    I'd just ask around locally. I've heard badgers are mean like that, but never had an encounter. Might look it up.
  • cburke8909
    cburke8909 Posts: 990 Member
    12 mile fast finish could have been faster

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  • Purplebunnysarah
    Purplebunnysarah Posts: 3,252 Member
    Thread is pretty quiet so people must be busy (or sleeping in). So who's racing this weekend? I have a ~10K trail race tomorrow - difficulty rated as blue/black with a promise of lots of tough technical sections! I'm really looking forward to it. Supposed to do 11.2 km today but I'll just do a 3-5km shakeout in about half an hour and then tack a short warm-up on to tomorrow's race to get in my training mileage.
  • Scott6255
    Scott6255 Posts: 2,571 Member
    14.6 easy miles this morning. Thought it would actually be easier since I went about :30/mi slower than usual, bit I guess the heat and humidity overwhelmed me. It hit 100° yesterday, so it didn't cool down very much by this morning. Just will take some time to acclimate to the summer weather.
    MTD: 72/100
  • AlphaHowls
    AlphaHowls Posts: 2,004 Member
    5/1 Run 4.36 Miles
    5/2 Run 6.02 Miles
    5/3 Run 7.54 Miles
    5/4 Run 8.03 Miles
    5/5 Run 2.02 Miles
    5/6 Run 13.38 Miles
    5/7 Run 11.18 Miles
    5/8 Run 10.67 Miles
    5/9 Run 10.21 Miles
    5/10 Run 6.79 Miles
    5/11 Run 13.59 Miles
    5/12 Run 15.32 Miles
    5/13 Run 10.21 Miles
    5/14 Run 2.01 Miles
    5/15 Run 10.28 Miles
    5/16 Run 13.39 Miles
    5/17 Run 10.72 Miles
    5/18 Run 16.62 Miles
    5/19 Run 15.05 Miles

    Wildlife out and about this morning. Came across a large turtle trekking down the road this morning. A mile or so after that, I encountered a raccoon, just quietly sitting on the side of the road.
  • polskagirl01
    polskagirl01 Posts: 2,024 Member
    sarahthes wrote: »
    Thread is pretty quiet so people must be busy (or sleeping in). So who's racing this weekend? I have a ~10K trail race tomorrow - difficulty rated as blue/black with a promise of lots of tough technical sections! I'm really looking forward to it. Supposed to do 11.2 km today but I'll just do a 3-5km shakeout in about half an hour and then tack a short warm-up on to tomorrow's race to get in my training mileage.

    Have fun tomorrow!
  • Elise4270
    Elise4270 Posts: 8,375 Member
    edited May 2018
    @5BeautifulDays LOL! Is that the killer bunny from Monty Python! Hahahaha!

    @polskagirl01 Glad you figured it out! What a funny little vicious critter!!!

    I found a terrapin in my hedges today. And my "baby" cat kept attacking me as I tried to clean out the flower beds (Which made me think of @polskagirl01) Then I had a few fire ants bite me.

    DH has gone to run without me today. I think rest is responsible today. Think I'll run to Lowe's for *shrugs* "stuff". :smiley:
    I know most of the Garmin metrics are "best guess". But I've noticed a pattern in my stress score. It seems my stress score is higher when I sleep. During the day it's 25-45 at night I'm seeing 65. I wonder if that just confirming that I don't sleep well and hurt all night or if it's just junk metrics. It also seems to loosely follow days I exercise, but not always. I had also considered that it could be an indication of recovery. Any thoughts?
  • Purplebunnysarah
    Purplebunnysarah Posts: 3,252 Member
    5/1 - rest
    5/2 - 2.38 km
    5/3 - 6.23 km
    5/4 - cake
    5/5 - meetings
    5/6 - 4.18 km
    5/7 - 5.15 km
    5/8 - life conspired against me
    5/9 - 6.4 km
    5/10 - 3.0 km
    5/11 - rest day, walk
    5/12 - 10.11 km, after which there will be 6 year olds and shouting
    5/13 - cross training (aka I walked almost 10 km)
    5/14 - 5.65 km
    5/15 - blah
    5/16 - 8.90 km
    5/17 - 5.52 km
    5/18 - rest
    5/19 - 4.20 km

    61.72/115 km

    Getting it done. Stiff wind out of the south blew my hat right off me at one point!

    2018 Races: (italics means not registered yet, only pondering)
    1/1/18 Resolution Run 5K ~38:00 (no official times)
    3/4/18 MEC Road Race #1 10K 1:30:57
    3/17/28 St Patrick's Day race 10K 1:24:53
    4/7/18 Jasper Half Marathon 3:05:55
    4/22/18 MEC Trail Race #1 5Kish 1:00:00? (Or 48:45...)
    5/20/18 MEC Trail Race #2 10Kish
    6/24/18 MEC Trail Race #3 10Kish
    7/1/18 Canada Day 15K
    7/28/18 Idaho Peak 10K Trail Race
    8/18/18 Edmonton Marathon 10K up to half?
    8/25/18 MEC Trail Race #4 10Kish
    10/7/18 MEC Trail Race #5 15Kish
    10/22/18 Heartbeat Run 10K
    12/1/18 Santa Shuffle
  • Elise4270
    Elise4270 Posts: 8,375 Member
    Congratulations on the hot hilly 5k @greyparks206 !!!!

    We have a local course that sounds similar, I'm running it in June. I'll be stoked to get it under 40 minutes. I think my best time on this course is 35 minutes. Balls hard.

    Way to give it SISU!
  • Purplebunnysarah
    Purplebunnysarah Posts: 3,252 Member
    @greyparks206 Sounds like a tough race. Congrats on getting it done!
  • 5BeautifulDays
    5BeautifulDays Posts: 683 Member
    Elise4270 wrote: »
    @5BeautifulDays LOL! Is that the killer bunny from Monty Python! Hahahaha!

    I know most of the Garmin metrics are "best guess". But I've noticed a pattern in my stress score. It seems my stress score is higher when I sleep. During the day it's 25-45 at night I'm seeing 65. I wonder if that just confirming that I don't sleep well and hurt all night or if it's just junk metrics. It also seems to loosely follow days I exercise, but not always. I had also considered that it could be an indication of recovery. Any thoughts?

    Yes...that's the bunny!

    I don't have a Garmin, but I know that I'm able to deal with stress while I'm awake by being busy. At night, though, I think all the stress comes out to play--in hip pain, in frequent waking, in teeth grinding. Can you take something to help you sleep better, at least until you're a little more recovered?
  • katharmonic
    katharmonic Posts: 5,720 Member
    @greyparks206 good job getting through the tough 5k - hot and hilly sounds like about the worst combo so hopefully the next 5k will be a breeze.

    @sarahthes good luck on your trail race tomorrow.

    Love the European hamster! Would love seeing hamsters in the wild. I saw some kind of little weasel while we were outside doing circuit training one day a couple of weeks ago and no one else saw it so they thought I was just trying to stop doing whatever hard thing we were doing at the moment. No seriously, I see a weasel!

    Date :::: Miles :::: Cumulative
    05/01/18 :::: 3.5 :::: 3.5
    05/02/18 :::: 2.6 :::: 6.1
    05/03/18 :::: 2.5 :::: 8.7
    05/04/18 :::: 0.0 :::: 8.7
    05/05/18 :::: 7.5 :::: 16.2
    05/06/18 :::: 2.6 :::: 18.8
    05/07/18 :::: 3.8 :::: 22.5
    05/08/18 :::: 3.3 :::: 25.9
    05/09/18 :::: 3.2 :::: 29.1
    05/10/18 :::: 2.0 :::: 31.1
    05/11/18 :::: 0.0 :::: 31.1
    05/12/18 :::: 12.0 :::: 43.0
    05/13/18 :::: 0.0 :::: 43.0
    05/14/18 :::: 3.9 :::: 46.9
    05/15/18 :::: 3.9 :::: 50.8
    05/16/18 :::: 3.1 :::: 53.9
    05/17/18 :::: 0.0 :::: 53.9
    05/18/18 :::: 2.8 :::: 56.7
    05/19/18 :::: 7.4 :::: 64.0

    As predicted, the rain came and it was a soaking wet and muddy long run. Misery loves company though, so we had a decent group of us out there chugging through it, talking about how good that hot shower would feel when we were done. My shower had to be short though because I had a quick turnaround to take Stella to dog training class (which was great so I didn't have to go out in the rain for a long walk). Now she and I are tired and ready to relax and stay warm and dry the rest of the day.

    Hope everyone has a good running weekend.
  • fitoverfortymom
    fitoverfortymom Posts: 3,452 Member
    Two wet, dreary, cold soccer games today so my long run is tomorrow. Strength training this evening when we get home. First game was a cold come from behind win with a few assists from my son (he plays defense so hasn't scored a goal since he was like 8). This will bring them out of the cellar for the league.
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