October 2018 Monthly Running Challenge

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  • Elise4270
    Elise4270 Posts: 8,375 Member
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    shanaber wrote: »
    Does anyone have experience with a Morton's neuroma? I have been having pain in the ball of my foot near my toes that is worse when I walk but I noticed it initially while running a while back. I decided it was possibly my (newer) orthotics causing the issue so I stopped using them for a while especially with my more cushioned shoes. That helped but then my (opposite) hip started bothering me feeling super tight and painful all the time. I figure the hip is a result of not using my orthotics and a possible change in my gait to correct for the painful foot. Checking Dr. Google it sounds most likely a Morton's neuroma.

    So now what? Any tips for living/running with this?
    I see there is a video on the KT tape site to tape for pain in the ball of the foot. Anyone tried this?

    I had an mri for a Morton's neuroma. It, thankfully was negative. If it was positive, it was going to be straight to surgery. Best i know, is that there is no living with it.
  • PastorVincent
    PastorVincent Posts: 6,668 Member
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    MegaMooseEsq wrote: »
    @PastorVincent: It’s from a decade ago, but I recently read an article suggesting that for competitive but non-elite athletes it’s better to go out fast in the 5k. It was just one study of college cross-country female athletes and I have no idea what other research is out there but it made a certain amount of sense to me.

    Jeff Galloway disagrees :)
    https://www.runnersworld.com/training/a20790534/learn-how-to-run-negative-splits/

    And others...

    https://running.competitor.com/2016/10/training/how-and-why-to-hit-negative-splits-in-your-next-race_156775

    https://runnersconnect.net/running-questions/negative-splits-in-races/

    http://mojoforrunning.com/training-to-run-negative-splits/

    (etc)

    But really, unless you have a shot at winning... just do what works for you. I mean it is not like the vast majority of us will ever take home a prize bucket of money. :lol:

    If you are in that group, listen to your coach you dope. :lol:
  • PastorVincent
    PastorVincent Posts: 6,668 Member
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    fitoverfortymom wrote: »
    @MegaMooseEsq You can't go wrong with Hal.

    Yeah, I used Hal for my first full and my wife used it for her first 1/2 and her first full. Good plans. Everyone has opinions on this of course, but eh, they work. :D
  • RunRachelleRun
    RunRachelleRun Posts: 1,854 Member
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    @juliet3455 OMG I should have known there was an easier way lol. Thanks!
  • RandJ6280
    RandJ6280 Posts: 1,161 Member
    edited October 2018
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    @shanaber Thank-you for advice. I'll be foam rolling tonight once I get home.
  • RunRachelleRun
    RunRachelleRun Posts: 1,854 Member
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    @avidkeo Bwahahaha

    Ours never have pretty shells, we only have little snails and giant slugs. They can be dangerous, though. I twisted my ankle slipping on one. It was completely camouflaged on the trail and I landed on it exactly right (for a klutz). My son thought it was hilarious.
  • RunsOnEspresso
    RunsOnEspresso Posts: 3,218 Member
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    I've used Hal and Jenny Hadfield plans. And made my own from a mash up of plans and what I've learned.

    Jenny Hadfield is also a negative split fan although she uses a color analogy. Yellow for the first X miles, orange for the next couple then red for the last tiny bit.

    She also uses the term fishing, which I always do called it picking off the other runners 😂
  • Avidkeo
    Avidkeo Posts: 3,190 Member
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    RunRachelleRun wrote: »
    @avidkeo Bwahahaha

    Ours never have pretty shells, we only have little snails and giant slugs. They can be dangerous, though. I twisted my ankle slipping on one. It was completely camouflaged on the trail and I landed on it exactly right (for a klutz). My son thought it was hilarious.

    I really dont want to stand on them, mostly for that reason, plus also I don't fancy killing any creature, even those ones. Finally my oldest daughter would be so sad (4 yr old). She LOVES snails. keeps putting them in containers next to her bed. *shudder*
  • rheddmobile
    rheddmobile Posts: 6,840 Member
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    PastorVincent wrote: »
    MegaMooseEsq wrote: »
    @PastorVincent: It’s from a decade ago, but I recently read an article suggesting that for competitive but non-elite athletes it’s better to go out fast in the 5k. It was just one study of college cross-country female athletes and I have no idea what other research is out there but it made a certain amount of sense to me.

    Jeff Galloway disagrees :)
    https://www.runnersworld.com/training/a20790534/learn-how-to-run-negative-splits/

    And others...

    https://running.competitor.com/2016/10/training/how-and-why-to-hit-negative-splits-in-your-next-race_156775

    https://runnersconnect.net/running-questions/negative-splits-in-races/

    http://mojoforrunning.com/training-to-run-negative-splits/

    (etc)

    But really, unless you have a shot at winning... just do what works for you. I mean it is not like the vast majority of us will ever take home a prize bucket of money. :lol:

    If you are in that group, listen to your coach you dope. :lol:

    I'd like to point out the study advocating a fast start was on 5k and the Galloway article is specifically marathon based. Also, the study contains the caveats that it's probably only effective for non-elite non-beginner runners who have some idea of their pacing but probably start too slowly.

    Speaking for myself, the fastest 5k I ever ran, more than a minute faster than my usual, I ran one mile as fast as possible, slowed to a walk for one minute to recover, then finished. I wasn't even trying to run 5k fast that day, just testing out my fast mile speed. But since my usual 5k pace is slightly under 10 minutes, and my fast mile that day was 7:40, that meant even adding in a minute of walking I was still more than a minute faster than my typical pace, plus I started the second run interval well rested from walking. Isn't there a guy who has done studies showing that most non-elite marathoners can shave a lot of time off by run/walking?
  • Elise4270
    Elise4270 Posts: 8,375 Member
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    garygse wrote: »
    Recovery run this morning. Massage roll this evening. White chocolate vanilla ice cream Magnum bar somewhere in between.

    In between what? 😳🍑
  • PastorVincent
    PastorVincent Posts: 6,668 Member
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    rheddmobile wrote: »
    PastorVincent wrote: »
    MegaMooseEsq wrote: »
    @PastorVincent: It’s from a decade ago, but I recently read an article suggesting that for competitive but non-elite athletes it’s better to go out fast in the 5k. It was just one study of college cross-country female athletes and I have no idea what other research is out there but it made a certain amount of sense to me.

    Jeff Galloway disagrees :)
    https://www.runnersworld.com/training/a20790534/learn-how-to-run-negative-splits/

    And others...

    https://running.competitor.com/2016/10/training/how-and-why-to-hit-negative-splits-in-your-next-race_156775

    https://runnersconnect.net/running-questions/negative-splits-in-races/

    http://mojoforrunning.com/training-to-run-negative-splits/

    (etc)

    But really, unless you have a shot at winning... just do what works for you. I mean it is not like the vast majority of us will ever take home a prize bucket of money. :lol:

    If you are in that group, listen to your coach you dope. :lol:

    I'd like to point out the study advocating a fast start was on 5k and the Galloway article is specifically marathon based. Also, the study contains the caveats that it's probably only effective for non-elite non-beginner runners who have some idea of their pacing but probably start too slowly.

    Speaking for myself, the fastest 5k I ever ran, more than a minute faster than my usual, I ran one mile as fast as possible, slowed to a walk for one minute to recover, then finished. I wasn't even trying to run 5k fast that day, just testing out my fast mile speed. But since my usual 5k pace is slightly under 10 minutes, and my fast mile that day was 7:40, that meant even adding in a minute of walking I was still more than a minute faster than my typical pace, plus I started the second run interval well rested from walking. Isn't there a guy who has done studies showing that most non-elite marathoners can shave a lot of time off by run/walking?

    In the end, each runner needs to do what works for them. I can almost guarantee you can find a study that says your way is best, no matter what that way is.

    Honestly, I try for even pace no matter what the distance. Sprint out of the gate for 1/4th mile to clear the pack, then drop to race pace and hold what I got for however long it takes. Run/Walk is horrible, for me, have tried, can confirm.

  • MegaMooseEsq
    MegaMooseEsq Posts: 3,118 Member
    edited October 2018
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    rheddmobile wrote: »
    PastorVincent wrote: »
    MegaMooseEsq wrote: »
    @PastorVincent: It’s from a decade ago, but I recently read an article suggesting that for competitive but non-elite athletes it’s better to go out fast in the 5k. It was just one study of college cross-country female athletes and I have no idea what other research is out there but it made a certain amount of sense to me.

    Jeff Galloway disagrees :)
    https://www.runnersworld.com/training/a20790534/learn-how-to-run-negative-splits/

    And others...

    https://running.competitor.com/2016/10/training/how-and-why-to-hit-negative-splits-in-your-next-race_156775

    https://runnersconnect.net/running-questions/negative-splits-in-races/

    http://mojoforrunning.com/training-to-run-negative-splits/

    (etc)

    But really, unless you have a shot at winning... just do what works for you. I mean it is not like the vast majority of us will ever take home a prize bucket of money. :lol:

    If you are in that group, listen to your coach you dope. :lol:

    I'd like to point out the study advocating a fast start was on 5k and the Galloway article is specifically marathon based. Also, the study contains the caveats that it's probably only effective for non-elite non-beginner runners who have some idea of their pacing but probably start too slowly.

    Speaking for myself, the fastest 5k I ever ran, more than a minute faster than my usual, I ran one mile as fast as possible, slowed to a walk for one minute to recover, then finished. I wasn't even trying to run 5k fast that day, just testing out my fast mile speed. But since my usual 5k pace is slightly under 10 minutes, and my fast mile that day was 7:40, that meant even adding in a minute of walking I was still more than a minute faster than my typical pace, plus I started the second run interval well rested from walking. Isn't there a guy who has done studies showing that most non-elite marathoners can shave a lot of time off by run/walking?

    Yes, I probably should have mentioned that specifically when I posted the link. It was those caveats that made the study make sense to me. I remember a few weeks ago realizing that I could recover at a run instead of needing to walk - it really felt like a turning point in terms of pacing. And of course, I only hit that point after I'd had the "run slower" rule pounded into my head. I wouldn't have wanted to try a fast start 5K my first two races, but I could see giving it a shot next spring.

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