November 2018 Monthly Running Challenge
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Quick treadmill run this morning before a busy day of rock climbing competition. The hotel had ridiculous internet videos playing on the TV in the exercise room. It was super entertaining!
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Woke up to a feels like temp of 17F (-8 C) and a light dusting of snow. I guess it is official. No fall this year.4
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PastorVincent wrote: »We escaped! The room only has a 40% survival rate, so we beat the odds!
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I'm going to have to lay down the law with my in-laws and explain that we can't entertain them 24/7 for five days with no warning... I can't eat out 2 times a day at fatty restaurants, not be allowed time to shop or cook, not work out, and not sleep. Good lord. I ate less than 1000 calories the two days I was sick in bed and have already burned through that deficit. I can't even eat my normal breakfast this morning because I wasn't able to get free until after 11 pm when our grocery closes so I have no cottage cheese and no milk to make oatmeal so we are supposedly having bacon and eggs. Everyone wants BBQ and to try Five Guys which isn't in their area today. People, I can do ONE of those in a day, not both, only IF I run, not otherwise. And they are only letting me get six hours sleep so I can't get up earlier to run. I'm about ten seconds away from saying that sounds nice, you and your parents have fun, meanwhile I'll be doing my long run elsewhere. My health is not optional and I worked hard for it. Also, my husband is going to get fired if they don't let him work - they don't understand that "work from home" doesn't mean you can skip a week and still get paid.16
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rheddmobile wrote: »I'm going to have to lay down the law with my in-laws and explain that we can't entertain them 24/7 for five days with no warning... I can't eat out 2 times a day at fatty restaurants, not be allowed time to shop or cook, not work out, and not sleep. Good lord. I ate less than 1000 calories the two days I was sick in bed and have already burned through that deficit. I can't even eat my normal breakfast this morning because I wasn't able to get free until after 11 pm when our grocery closes so I have no cottage cheese and no milk to make oatmeal so we are supposedly having bacon and eggs. Everyone wants BBQ and to try Five Guys which isn't in their area today. People, I can do ONE of those in a day, not both, only IF I run, not otherwise. And they are only letting me get six hours sleep so I can't get up earlier to run. I'm about ten seconds away from saying that sounds nice, you and your parents have fun, meanwhile I'll be doing my long run elsewhere. My health is not optional and I worked hard for it. Also, my husband is going to get fired if they don't let him work - they don't understand that "work from home" doesn't mean you can skip a week and still get paid.
Terrible. Definitely have a chat. And dont pass up that run today!6 -
rheddmobile wrote: »I'm going to have to lay down the law with my in-laws and explain that we can't entertain them 24/7 for five days with no warning... I can't eat out 2 times a day at fatty restaurants, not be allowed time to shop or cook, not work out, and not sleep. Good lord. I ate less than 1000 calories the two days I was sick in bed and have already burned through that deficit. I can't even eat my normal breakfast this morning because I wasn't able to get free until after 11 pm when our grocery closes so I have no cottage cheese and no milk to make oatmeal so we are supposedly having bacon and eggs. Everyone wants BBQ and to try Five Guys which isn't in their area today. People, I can do ONE of those in a day, not both, only IF I run, not otherwise. And they are only letting me get six hours sleep so I can't get up earlier to run. I'm about ten seconds away from saying that sounds nice, you and your parents have fun, meanwhile I'll be doing my long run elsewhere. My health is not optional and I worked hard for it. Also, my husband is going to get fired if they don't let him work - they don't understand that "work from home" doesn't mean you can skip a week and still get paid.
I feel for you @rheddmobile, there is no way I could function on so little sleep and with constant company! I hope you talk some sense into them and get some rest and exercise time to yourself.6 -
@garygse Very nice! But we knew that'd happen. My husband has only just started to add some gu to his runs. He doesnt seem to feel hes needed them. I suggested it may help his recovery.
I suppose fuel requirements are a matter of conditioning.
I remember when a half required a gu at mid point. Oh wait... I can only run 2-3 miles. Dang it. Brain forgot body is lagging. Well, i did see a difference eventually. Once 45 minutes was fuel time then none for 90...
Way to be Speedy!3 -
@Scott6255, @katharmonic, @Tramboman, @workaholic_nurse, @Orphia, @PastorVincent Thanks guys for the kind words!
@garygse Bravo on your marathon PB!!
I figure it's your PB, as even if you do a PB in an event, that doesn't compare to any other event, as they're all different and each one has different weather anyway, so how long is a piece of string?
You rock!
Say, you did this almost unfueled?
Do you believe in this "fat adaptation" stuff from the LCHF evangelists?
It seems to me you get better at longer distances and running on your fat reserves after glycogen is depleted by running longer distances, not so much by what you eat.
First, I've always believed in balanced diets, so no "high this, low that" or restrictive diets...just sensible portions of foods that for the most part deliver most of the required nutrients (that's not to say that I think these diets don't work...they're just not for me). So in that respect, I don't read up on any kind of diet, and had to look up fat adaptation. I can't say I'm sold on it...especially when the site I read contained lines like "this basic physiology appears to be lost on most doctors and dieticians [sic] worldwide" which just stinks of woo science if you ask me.
Personally, I think your last line is spot on.
edit: missed a name!
It seems to me if you are doing unfueled marathons (by the way, wow) you have to have developed the ability to burn fat for fuel - there's no magic involved and there's only so much glycogen in your muscles and liver. However that doesn't mean you have to have eaten a certain prescribed way and put yourself in permanent ketosis to accomplish this.
Like autophagy (for which a Nobel prize was won) ketosis is a real thing - but there's a lot of woo science around it. I read an MFP article touting intermittent fasting as necessary for autophagy which would make your loose skin miraculously disappear after weight loss the other day. First of all, the MFP blog is a shambles, they will post anything, and second, your body is going to clean up old cells no matter when you eat. Can you make it do this better and more efficiently? Probably! But don't necessarily believe the people with a string of junk degrees who say they know how, and it's almost certainly not going to remove entire organs.
Can humans run entire marathons without fuel, and still eat normally, not keto, at other times? apparently so!3 -
@juliet3455 that sounds like one heck of a party event!
@garygse that run and your schedule are mind-boggling and inspiring (and others here with their mega mileage too!)
Makes me think whether running fewer days a week with higher mileage on each one is better than 5x/week with slightly lower mileage except for the long run...?4 -
September Total Miles: 55.51 (50 mile goal)
October Total Miles: 39.08 (65 mile goal)
November Goal: 50 Miles
Nov. 1st - 6.73 miles - set a new pr for fastest 10k! 1:01, so close to getting it under one hour!
Nov. 5th - 1.55 miles - Been feeling under the weather again after my first month.
Nov. 9th - 6.4 miles - 10K PR - 59:18!
Total: 14.68 miles
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11-1 Rest
11-2 7k intervals
11-3 7k easy
11-4 10.5k slow
11-5 7k recovery
11-6 Rest
11-7 7k intervals
11-8 7k easy
11-9 Rest
11-10 7k
November total: 52.5k
November goal: 150k
Today was the first "ice in the beard day" of the winter running season - 24 degrees F with a strong wind. Yesterday's rain/snow mix froze overnight, and some light fresh snow fell on top of it. Where there was snow on the ice, footing wasn't bad; but where there was just ice, the footing was terrible. Ran at a pace that I thought wouldn't result in my slipping and wrenching a knee or falling and breaking my *kitten*. Did give some thought to making this my long run day, but eventually decided to let tomorrow bring what tomorrow brings and concentrate on running centered and not hurting myself.
@MobyCarp have a great half tomorrow. I hope the wind direction keeps the lake effect snow off your course.
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@Elise4270 Thanks!
Regarding your husband's runs, if he doesn't feel like he needs additional fueling, then he probably doesn't need it (right now). It's one of those things though that once you get to a point in the run where you feel like you really do need it, then it's going to be too late to take a gel. Also, temps play a huge part...during the summer when I sweat a whole lot more, I definitely need gels on runs of 20 miles or more, and may take two, three, or even four during the run.
@rheddmobile Couldn't agree more...and I admit I should've read more before tossing out the woo word based on the several articles I read.
@lkpducky It goes without saying that high-mileage runners weren't always able to run those distances, and if you ask 10 different high-mileage runners how they got to that point, you'll probably get 10 different answers that may or may not share some similarities. What works for one person won't necessarily work for the next, so you just have to experiment and slowly increase the distances. Whether that's a few longer-distanced runs or several shorter-distanced runs is entirely up to the individual; your body will generally let you know when you're trying to do too much (and you'll learn to recognize the signs) and so you adjust your schedule accordingly. Just be sure to get sufficient rest and recovery time in.3 -
Date :::: Miles :::: Cumulative
11/01/18 :::: 0.0 :::: 0.0
11/02/18 :::: 0.0 :::: 0.0
11/03/18 :::: 0.0 :::: 0.0
11/04/18 :::: 0.0 :::: 0.0
11/05/18 :::: 3.0 :::: 3.0
11/06/18 :::: 3.2 :::: 6.2
11/07/18 :::: 0.0 :::: 6.2
11/08/18 :::: 3.0 :::: 9.2
11/09/18 :::: 3.0 :::: 12.2
11/10/18 :::: 5.5 :::: 17.7
First "long run" since the marathon. The weather turned out to be not so bad, and the sun came out. No precipitation but it was windy and chilly, right around 32 degrees. It seemed like an abrupt change from any previous runs, probably harder to adapt mentally to cold-weather running than physically (and keep from whining too much). I felt done after an hour, so decided to call it good enough for the first week back to running.
Now it's time to take the dog out for her exercise before the weather turns. Snow expected this afternoon and overnight.
So, on that note - good luck @MobyCarp at the Syracuse Half tomorrow! I hope the weather isn't too terrible for you. I would say I'll be out to cheer you on but I'm probably going to be a fair-weather fan on this one.
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5k tonight and half tomorrow night. They let me stay in the same corral even though I'm about a 2:35 and the corral is 2:05. I'll stay as far right as I can lol7
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rheddmobile wrote: »I'm going to have to lay down the law with my in-laws and explain that we can't entertain them 24/7 for five days with no warning... I can't eat out 2 times a day at fatty restaurants, not be allowed time to shop or cook, not work out, and not sleep. Good lord. I ate less than 1000 calories the two days I was sick in bed and have already burned through that deficit. I can't even eat my normal breakfast this morning because I wasn't able to get free until after 11 pm when our grocery closes so I have no cottage cheese and no milk to make oatmeal so we are supposedly having bacon and eggs. Everyone wants BBQ and to try Five Guys which isn't in their area today. People, I can do ONE of those in a day, not both, only IF I run, not otherwise. And they are only letting me get six hours sleep so I can't get up earlier to run. I'm about ten seconds away from saying that sounds nice, you and your parents have fun, meanwhile I'll be doing my long run elsewhere. My health is not optional and I worked hard for it. Also, my husband is going to get fired if they don't let him work - they don't understand that "work from home" doesn't mean you can skip a week and still get paid.
Terrible. Definitely have a chat. And dont pass up that run today!
Definitely reasonable for you to want to set some healthy boundaries. Also, I see nothing wrong with going for your long run while they hit restaurant #2, or with your husband saying, I have to work tomorrow during this specific time period, and then we'll go. But it probably needs to come from him, otherwise you become the evil dsughter-in-law. I hope it goes well for you!7 -
Quick check in: 9.20 miles paced to a target 9:00 per mile, actual 8:51 per mile this morning. The regular 9 minute pacers were unavailable, and I did the best I could. Month to date, 62.11 miles.
It's hard to run slow when it's cold, I'm going into the wind, I'm not warmed up yet, and my legs are fresh. But running at around freezing this morning is a good mental boost for the half tomorrow, which is supposed to be similar temperature with less wind but a chance of rain or snow.
Now, into the car to drive to Syracuse. I'm not taking my computer, and I can't stand the MFP phone app for boards, so I don't expect to check in again until late tomorrow.5 -
I am way behind and hopefully will have some time tonight or tomorrow to catch up but I wanted to post some pictures from our trip... We are visiting Boise, where I grew up. The one thing I wanted to do while here was run with Hobbes along the river. My foot is still sore but we went out anyway and had a great run/walk/stop for pictures yesterday in a favorite childhood park (Ann Morrison) and along the Boise River Greenbelt! Hobbes had a great time point out all (yes each and every one) of the squirrels, ducks and geese. If not for the leash I am pretty sure he would have been in the river! Note Hobbes' jacket - it was 28F when we headed out. A bit colder than So CA!
Here's a bunch of pictures from the run.
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@MobyCarp best of luck, looking forward to the report!
Date :::: Miles :::: Cumulative
11/01/18 :::: 0.0 :::: 0.0
11/02/18 :::: 4.5 :::: 4.5
11/03/18 :::: 3.6 :::: 8.1
11/04/18 :::: 8.6 :::: 16.7
11/05/18 :::: 0.0 :::: 16.7
11/06/18 :::: 4.0 :::: 20.7
11/07/18 :::: 3.0 :::: 23.2
11/08/18 :::: 3.0 :::: 26.7
11/09/18 :::: 0.0 :::: 26.7
11/10/18 :::: 7.2 :::: 33.9
I should've just run an easy 3 this morning and saved the longer run until Sunday as I generally do. I ran a tempo run two days ago and I think I still felt it.
About 5 miles into the run, I got this strange sensation of pressure around the right IT band/flexor/quad area. Not pain, just pressure/fatigue/lactic acid, sort of as though I had done too many leg lifts. It spread downward as I ran. Slowing down helped for a while. Then I stopped and stretched and that helped, but then the sensation came back. I had to take some walk breaks over the remainder of the run.
This happened to me before a couple of times - a couple of weeks ago I got it after 7 miles in a long run, and after 6 miles in a long run the week before that. My 8.6 miler last week was fine. It doesn't happen with my shorter weekday runs. I don't know what this is. Could this be cramping/lack of electrolytes/dehydration?
Signed: one unamused duck
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I just ran my longest distance ever! I had originally planned on maybe attempting my first 10K distance ever, and once I did it I had a complete adrenaline rush and kept going! Needless to say, I feel on top of the world right now!
11/2: 4.1 miles
11/3: 3.3 miles
11/5: 2.4 miles
11/7: 5.1 miles
11/10: 6.5 miles!!!
Cumulative for November: 21.4/50 miles
Upcoming race: Thursday 11/22 Feaster Five Thanksgiving Road Race: 5 miles15 -
rheddmobile wrote: »I'm going to have to lay down the law with my in-laws and explain that we can't entertain them 24/7 for five days with no warning... I can't eat out 2 times a day at fatty restaurants, not be allowed time to shop or cook, not work out, and not sleep. Good lord. I ate less than 1000 calories the two days I was sick in bed and have already burned through that deficit. I can't even eat my normal breakfast this morning because I wasn't able to get free until after 11 pm when our grocery closes so I have no cottage cheese and no milk to make oatmeal so we are supposedly having bacon and eggs. Everyone wants BBQ and to try Five Guys which isn't in their area today. People, I can do ONE of those in a day, not both, only IF I run, not otherwise. And they are only letting me get six hours sleep so I can't get up earlier to run. I'm about ten seconds away from saying that sounds nice, you and your parents have fun, meanwhile I'll be doing my long run elsewhere. My health is not optional and I worked hard for it. Also, my husband is going to get fired if they don't let him work - they don't understand that "work from home" doesn't mean you can skip a week and still get paid.
Big hugs. I'm a people pleaser from way back and would bend over backwards to accomo people, putting my own needs last. All that happened was I got resentful, angry, overweight,and full of anxiety.
"no" is an amaze word. "no we can't go out, but you go, have fun". "no we can't stay up late, turn off the lights before you go to bed" "no you can't stay a week without notice, here is the name of a hotel or local air bnb, meet you for lunch"
Oh and the occasional yes is great - to yourself "yes I am going on my long run, no matter what"
Remember this is your home, your routine. You are not rude for not wanting to change that at the drop of a hat, THEY ARE for expecting it.
I'm All about family and doing things together. And if my family showed up for a few days great! But unless it's pre arranged or a very special Reason, I'm Not bending over for them. My health and sanity come first.
So yes, talk to hubby, set your boundaries and stick to them. And when they as why, don't give any of excuses, just be a broken record and say no.12 -
@amirahdaboss great job! that's an incredible feeling!2
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amirahdaboss wrote: »I just ran my longest distance ever! I had originally planned on maybe attempting my first 10K distance ever, and once I did it I had a complete adrenaline rush and kept going! Needless to say, I feel on top of the world right now!
11/2: 4.1 miles
11/3: 3.3 miles
11/5: 2.4 miles
11/7: 5.1 miles
11/10: 6.5 miles!!!
Cumulative for November: 21.4/50 miles
Upcoming race: Thursday 11/22 Feaster Five Thanksgiving Road Race: 5 miles
Congratulations!! Best feeling ever!3 -
@Elise4270 Thanks! Regarding your husband's runs, if he doesn't feel like he needs additional fueling, then he probably doesn't need it (right now). It's one of those things though that once you get to a point in the run where you feel like you really do need it, then it's going to be too late to take a gel. Also, temps play a huge part...during the summer when I sweat a whole lot more, I definitely need gels on runs of 20 miles or more, and may take two, three, or even four during the run.
This is really true. In the spring when I am ramping up for my Marathon and Ultra I will hit 20 miles with no fuel, but as summer sneaks in and I start pushing several oceans worth of water out through my pores I start fueling for anything that I expect to be over 45 mins or so.4 -
amirahdaboss wrote: »I just ran my longest distance ever! I had originally planned on maybe attempting my first 10K distance ever, and once I did it I had a complete adrenaline rush and kept going! Needless to say, I feel on top of the world right now!
11/2: 4.1 miles
11/3: 3.3 miles
11/5: 2.4 miles
11/7: 5.1 miles
11/10: 6.5 miles!!!
Cumulative for November: 21.4/50 miles
Upcoming race: Thursday 11/22 Feaster Five Thanksgiving Road Race: 5 miles
W00hoo!!! YOU ROCK!2 -
rheddmobile wrote: »I'm going to have to lay down the law with my in-laws and explain that we can't entertain them 24/7 for five days with no warning... I can't eat out 2 times a day at fatty restaurants, not be allowed time to shop or cook, not work out, and not sleep. Good lord. I ate less than 1000 calories the two days I was sick in bed and have already burned through that deficit. I can't even eat my normal breakfast this morning because I wasn't able to get free until after 11 pm when our grocery closes so I have no cottage cheese and no milk to make oatmeal so we are supposedly having bacon and eggs. Everyone wants BBQ and to try Five Guys which isn't in their area today. People, I can do ONE of those in a day, not both, only IF I run, not otherwise. And they are only letting me get six hours sleep so I can't get up earlier to run. I'm about ten seconds away from saying that sounds nice, you and your parents have fun, meanwhile I'll be doing my long run elsewhere. My health is not optional and I worked hard for it. Also, my husband is going to get fired if they don't let him work - they don't understand that "work from home" doesn't mean you can skip a week and still get paid.
Big hugs. I'm a people pleaser from way back and would bend over backwards to accomo people, putting my own needs last. All that happened was I got resentful, angry, overweight,and full of anxiety.
"no" is an amaze word. "no we can't go out, but you go, have fun". "no we can't stay up late, turn off the lights before you go to bed" "no you can't stay a week without notice, here is the name of a hotel or local air bnb, meet you for lunch"
Oh and the occasional yes is great - to yourself "yes I am going on my long run, no matter what"
Remember this is your home, your routine. You are not rude for not wanting to change that at the drop of a hat, THEY ARE for expecting it.
I'm All about family and doing things together. And if my family showed up for a few days great! But unless it's pre arranged or a very special Reason, I'm Not bending over for them. My health and sanity come first.
So yes, talk to hubby, set your boundaries and stick to them. And when they as why, don't give any of excuses, just be a broken record and say no.
All of this.5 -
PastorVincent wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »I'm going to have to lay down the law with my in-laws and explain that we can't entertain them 24/7 for five days with no warning... I can't eat out 2 times a day at fatty restaurants, not be allowed time to shop or cook, not work out, and not sleep. Good lord. I ate less than 1000 calories the two days I was sick in bed and have already burned through that deficit. I can't even eat my normal breakfast this morning because I wasn't able to get free until after 11 pm when our grocery closes so I have no cottage cheese and no milk to make oatmeal so we are supposedly having bacon and eggs. Everyone wants BBQ and to try Five Guys which isn't in their area today. People, I can do ONE of those in a day, not both, only IF I run, not otherwise. And they are only letting me get six hours sleep so I can't get up earlier to run. I'm about ten seconds away from saying that sounds nice, you and your parents have fun, meanwhile I'll be doing my long run elsewhere. My health is not optional and I worked hard for it. Also, my husband is going to get fired if they don't let him work - they don't understand that "work from home" doesn't mean you can skip a week and still get paid.
Big hugs. I'm a people pleaser from way back and would bend over backwards to accomo people, putting my own needs last. All that happened was I got resentful, angry, overweight,and full of anxiety.
"no" is an amaze word. "no we can't go out, but you go, have fun". "no we can't stay up late, turn off the lights before you go to bed" "no you can't stay a week without notice, here is the name of a hotel or local air bnb, meet you for lunch"
Oh and the occasional yes is great - to yourself "yes I am going on my long run, no matter what"
Remember this is your home, your routine. You are not rude for not wanting to change that at the drop of a hat, THEY ARE for expecting it.
I'm All about family and doing things together. And if my family showed up for a few days great! But unless it's pre arranged or a very special Reason, I'm Not bending over for them. My health and sanity come first.
So yes, talk to hubby, set your boundaries and stick to them. And when they as why, don't give any of excuses, just be a broken record and say no.
All of this.
Yep, exactly what they said, your life, your health, your rules. Being flexible is one thing, being bulldozed is another.
@amirahdaboss wtg! Isn't it just the best feeling in the world?
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Awesome @amirahdaboss! Great job!1
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I want to run, but am home alone with the kids (4 and 2). Maybe we could go for a jog on the beach...2
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Thank y'all for the moral support. I do enjoy my in-laws, but they are high energy extroverts and both my husband and I are introverts. Also, they are retirees and we aren't. I was caught a little off guard when they showed up to celebrate my husband's 50th birthday and his stepfather's retirement out of the blue. He was initially delighted but then realized he wasn't getting any on his birthday (no time) and that he was expected to wake up first thing in the morning and get moving, to someone else's drum. But it would never occur to him to say anything, he literally said, "What can *I* do?" Our parents cast a spell on us which is hard to shake! We had a talk, and I coached him on saying certain phrases, like "We can't go with you this morning, we need to get some groceries," "I'm going to need to work tomorrow," "We can only eat out once per day, but please have fun without us," and "So, would you like to meet us to eat lunch after our long run? We take a couple of hours."
Crisis averted, at least for the present. Also, I got in a long lifting session which helped restore my glucose control. Long run planned for tomorrow.16
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