December 2018 Monthly Running Challenge
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polskagirl01 wrote: »girlinahat wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »It was 48 degrees for my run. I have obviously completely forgotten how to dress for such a heat wave as I was pouring streams of water off me by the time I got back after 12 miles.
Due to the tilt of the Earth and all that it is now full dark when I am on my return run through the park. There are no lights, plenty of shade trees, and lots of potholes and other trip hazards plus bicycles racing down the trail. So I run with flashy armbands and a waist lamp. Yet I am constantly coming across walkers and runners dressed in all dark clothes with no lights at all.
Please do not be stupid like them. They are asking to get hurt. Light yourself up so that you have a chance not to get hit at the very least.
Oh. This morning I went out at before-sun-up-o’clock dressed in dark navy tights, a black top (maybe it had some dark pink trim), black gloves and a black hat. No high vis, no light, nada. I didn’t trip or fall, I didn’t get run over (I stopped for cars before crossing the roads or used the pedestrian-controlled signals (and believe me, we have plenty of visually impaired drivers here), and no one crashed into me. Most of my route is in the dark too.
I guess what I’m saying is dress up like a Christmas tree if it’s appropriate. Otherwise, let the rest of the world enjoy the darkness while it can.
Depends on where you're running. If you're running on the road itself or the shoulder like in much of rural USA, I agree with @PastorVincent. But if you've got even sidewalks, trails, and pedestrian-controlled signals, it's not as necessary. For example, I have lights, but don't turn them on when I'm running down the sidewalk, unless I literally can't see where I'm going.
even with sidewalks. because eventually you have to cross the street.
Ok but in that case, you need to be wearing a bright yellow hi-vis vest during the day, too3 -
polskagirl01 wrote: »polskagirl01 wrote: »girlinahat wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »It was 48 degrees for my run. I have obviously completely forgotten how to dress for such a heat wave as I was pouring streams of water off me by the time I got back after 12 miles.
Due to the tilt of the Earth and all that it is now full dark when I am on my return run through the park. There are no lights, plenty of shade trees, and lots of potholes and other trip hazards plus bicycles racing down the trail. So I run with flashy armbands and a waist lamp. Yet I am constantly coming across walkers and runners dressed in all dark clothes with no lights at all.
Please do not be stupid like them. They are asking to get hurt. Light yourself up so that you have a chance not to get hit at the very least.
Oh. This morning I went out at before-sun-up-o’clock dressed in dark navy tights, a black top (maybe it had some dark pink trim), black gloves and a black hat. No high vis, no light, nada. I didn’t trip or fall, I didn’t get run over (I stopped for cars before crossing the roads or used the pedestrian-controlled signals (and believe me, we have plenty of visually impaired drivers here), and no one crashed into me. Most of my route is in the dark too.
I guess what I’m saying is dress up like a Christmas tree if it’s appropriate. Otherwise, let the rest of the world enjoy the darkness while it can.
Depends on where you're running. If you're running on the road itself or the shoulder like in much of rural USA, I agree with @PastorVincent. But if you've got even sidewalks, trails, and pedestrian-controlled signals, it's not as necessary. For example, I have lights, but don't turn them on when I'm running down the sidewalk, unless I literally can't see where I'm going.
even with sidewalks. because eventually you have to cross the street.
Ok but in that case, you need to be wearing a bright yellow hi-vis vest during the day, too
tbh, i usually wear bright colors where in my non running life i mostly wear black and dark colors3 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Re: Dressing to Be Seen in the Dark
My formative experience running in the dark was a group run on Cobb's Hill. Everyone goes at their own various paces, and runs patterns of their own choosing up and down Cobb's Hill. Initially, I wore a puny 30 lumen headlamp so cars could see me, a reflective Xinglet, and a couple flashing red lights.
Even that 30 lumen headlamp let me see which reflective gear was good and which was trash. Reflective strips on shoes are trash. They get covered with dust so they don't reflect, and no driver will be looking at foot level anyway. But the most interesting thing was, every time I ran Cobb's Hill in the dark there would be 2 or 3 runners demonstrating how not to dress in the dark. I came as close as 2 meters from running into someone dressed dark, and I was looking where I was going. Later, I got a brighter headlamp and didn't have any calls that close.
I always thought I didn't really need the reflective gear while walking, because I would stay on sidewalks where they exist and I had more options to get out of the way at walking speed. Well . . . I took a walk wearing the reflective gear, and even with the lights turned off I noticed cars behaving differently than I remembered from past walks. It was almost like, the drivers could actually SEE ME and before they couldn't.
As a driver, I notice runners. My advice to someone who chooses to run in the dark with no lights and no reflective gear is: Run with someone else who has lights and reflective gear. This greatly increases the probability that I will notice where you are and take appropriate action to avoid hitting you. And run against traffic, not with it! It seems dressing poorly and running with traffic (where you can't see me approaching) are correlated. Even if I do see you, the idiot tailgating me probably doesn't . . . and that idiot only has from when I swerve to miss you as warning that you're there at all.
Also, if you wear dark clothes and also have dark skin, you are invisible at night. Really really invisible.
Skin color doesn't much matter in the winter. You could be an albino, and you won't have enough exposed skin to stand out as a light color.3 -
Re: Dressing to Be Seen in the Dark
As a driver, I notice runners. My advice to someone who chooses to run in the dark where there is a chance you might get hit by something with no lights and no reflective gear is: Run with someone else who has lights and reflective gear. This greatly increases the probability that I will notice where you are and take appropriate action to avoid hitting you. And run against traffic, not with it! It seems dressing poorly and running with traffic (where you can't see me approaching) are correlated. Even if I do see you, the idiot tailgating me probably doesn't . . . and that idiot only has from when I swerve to miss you as warning that you're there at all.
I added a bit in bold for context. If there is a car hitting me on the pavement (sidewalk) then it’s extremely unlikely lights or reflective gear would have helped at all, as the car is where it shouldn’t be, and they are clearly already an idiot.
I totally agree about running and walking against traffic (where there is no sidewalk). That way the idiot driver can have your look of horror embedded in his retina as he ploughs into you.
I would wear reflective gear and lights if needed, but if it is not needed, then I’m not going to bother. Most of my route to the towpath is covered by lights, and I can cross a 20 foot section of road easily enough without being hit by something. I know the cars won’t stop for me, so I stop for them.
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Shoe porn
I think i could have gotten away with an 8. But the suggestion was a 9. I normally wear 8 or 8.5. i dont wanna exchange them. Hopefully they pass a test run.
ETA dont mind the shin wack. I work at the corner of two tables not ment for sitting, and constantly wack my shin and or knee.6 -
Another hard run today. I don’t think my legs have fully recovered from the 7.5 miles on Wednesday and I’m feeling some shin pain in my left leg, so I tried to take it easy today. I did a 5k today but I subtracted the approximate distance of it I ended up walking.
12/1: 3.1 miles
12/3: 2.7 miles
12/5: 5 miles
12/7: 3.5 miles
12/8: 4.1 miles
12/10: 2.6 miles
12/12: 7.5 MILES!
12/14: 2.7 miles
Total for December: 31.2/50 miles5 -
December goal. Yeah. Move.
12/1 3.05
12/2 rest
12/3 2.50
12/4 rest
12/5 4.40
12/6 rest
12/7 3.05
12/8 rest
12/9 2.40
12/10 rest
12/11 4.00
12/12 rest
12/13 life
12/14 4.00
Total: 23.40
Upcoming races:
January 4, 2019 Hilo to Volcano Ultra 50k Relay. In memory of @keeprunningfatboy
Ticker is my goal for 2018 and (obviously deficient) progress to date:
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12/1 - 7mph for 1 hour @ 4% grade
12/2 - 7 miles
12/3 - 7mph for 1 hour @ 4% grade
12/4 - 0 KM
12/5 - 12 miles
12/6 - Cookies
12/7 - 12 miles
12/8 - Christmas Party
12/9 - Game Night
12/10 - 7 miles
12/11 - 7 miles
12/12 - Work Dinner
12/13 - 12 miles
12/14 - 12 miles
Upcoming Races
Steel Challange 5k - May 2019
Pittsburgh Marathon - May 2019
Glacier Ridge 50k Trail Race - May 2019
2021 - Disney World Dopey! (if can raise funds)
2019 GOAL: Knock a full hour off my 50k time at Glacier Ridge.5 -
@AlphaHowls I noticed your mileage is down and you dont have run mileage today. Life ok? Your mom doing alright?5
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1---2.01
2---2.0 TM
4---1.0 TM barefoot for form
9---3.0 TM
11---2.0 TM
14---2.0 TM
Loved the shoes so far. I'm sure my calf will be sore again from the new drop. A necessary chance i had to take.
12/45 miles <---blast! I'm still going backwards!
Upcoming races
January 5 BIRR Ultra relay. 50k. Hawaii. For @KeepRunningFatboy
March 31, 2019 A2A Undecided distance. Ardmore OK
April 28, 2019 OKC Memorial Marathon (half)
Run the Year team A 400+ miles5 -
Well, apropos of this discussion, I almost got hit by a car tonight. While wearing lighted gear and thinking I was being pretty safe.
I was walking my dog not running, but I was wearing my flashing lighted reflective belt and my headlamp. I was walking on the sidewalk next to a major street. As I crossed a quiet side street (with a stop sign, no signal), I suddenly see headlights from behind and to the right of me - close. The car was turning from the major street onto the side street and clearly did not see me at all. They slammed on the breaks at the last second. I had not seen them at all because they were coming from behind me and in another second or two it could have been a very bad situation. I saw them stop for a bit after so I think it scared the crap out of the driver too, and I know my heart was racing (and still is beating kind of fast). I was also reminded how hard it is to see my dog (black) and was worried about her. I sometimes but a light on her but hadn't this time.
Anyway, be careful everyone.
Date :::: Miles :::: Cumulative
12/01/18 :::: 7.7 :::: 7.7
12/02/18 :::: 3.1 :::: 10.8
12/03/18 :::: 0.0 :::: 10.8
12/04/18 :::: 0.0 :::: 10.8
12/05/18 :::: 0.0 :::: 10.8
12/06/18 :::: 3.0 :::: 13.8
12/07/18 :::: 3.1 :::: 16.9
12/08/18 :::: 3.2 :::: 20.1
12/09/18 :::: 5.3 :::: 25.4
12/10/18 :::: 4.9 :::: 30.3
12/11/18 :::: 2.3 :::: 32.6
12/12/18 :::: 2.7 :::: 35.2
12/13/18 :::: 4.8 :::: 40.0
12/14/18 :::: 3.6 :::: 43.6
Today's run was on the treadmill this morning before strength training again. The run was fine, strength training was pretty intense for grip strength and biceps. Yikes. My trainer is starting to try to prep me for the Spartan race we're doing in March. We're figuring there will be some kind of rope climbing involved - which kind of terrifies me. Flashbacks to elementary school phys ed failure.
Hoping for a couple of decent runs this weekend. The temps are supposed to be in the 35-40 range so if I can avoid rain it shouldn't be bad. Hope everyone else has a good weekend. Sorry to hear about injuries and illnesses. Sending good vibes to all.
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@Elise4270 wrote: »@AlphaHowls I noticed your mileage is down and you dont have run mileage today. Life ok? Your mom doing alright?
Life gets busy sometimes. Had a great week last week with my brother here (had not seen in 3 years). Getting ready for my sister to arrive on the 22nd. Just a maze of holiday traffic and normal appointments and trying to survive. I did attempt two days of 'rest' but it only seems to make me more anxious.
Appreciate the notice!
12/1 15.55 miles, 215 days on the run
12/2 15.5 miles, 11.15 miles (26.65 total miles)
12/3 16.01 miles
12/4 15.05 miles
12/5 19.33 mile, 7.32 miles (test new shoes - disappointed) (26.65 total miles)
12/6 16.38 miles, 220 days on the run
12/7 19.13 miles
12/8 19.32 miles
12/9 15.34 miles, ice and more ice
12/10 16.22 miles
12/11 3.04 miles, 225 days on the run, Look! I know how to rest...
12/12 4.06 miles, Not fond of this 'resting' bit
12/13 15.46 miles
12/14 13.23 miles, rain, cold, no music, grumpy
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Had a major cold front blow in today so it went from a high of about 70 yesterday to mid 40's with a wind chill of about 35F! Gave me a chance to break out what passes for cold weather gear here. I saw exactly 2 other people out tonight and they were both walking dogs. Usually my path is pretty busy since I run though my neighborhood. Had a good run and this cold weather is starting to grow on me!!
Dec run miles: 12.7
Dec goal miles: 30
2019 Races:
Piney Woods Trailfest 5k - 2/2/2019 registered
Rodeo Run 10k - 2/23/2019 registered
Run Houston! Minute Maid Park 10k - 3/23/2019 registered
Brazos Bend 50 10k - 4/6/2019 registered
Galveston Island Wine Festival Champagne Fun Run 5k - 4/27/2019
Women's Quarter Marathon - 5/2019
El Chupacabra de Houston 10k (night trail run) - 8/2019
TWRC Run WIld Run Free 5k - 9/2019
10 for Texas 10 Miler - 10/2019 registration opens Jan 2019
Wine and Dine half marathon - 11/3/20193 -
Shoe porn
I think i could have gotten away with an 8. But the suggestion was a 9. I normally wear 8 or 8.5. i dont wanna exchange them. Hopefully they pass a test run.
ETA dont mind the shin wack. I work at the corner of two tables not ment for sitting, and constantly wack my shin and or knee.
You plan to run in those?
ETA: Oops, I see you did.0 -
Dec 02 - 21.1 km Carman’s Women’s Half Marathon. 2:08:08.6
Dec 04 – 07.0 km
Dec 06 – 10.0 km
Dec 07 – 07.0 km
Dec 09 – 12.0 km
Dec 11 – 11.7 km
Dec 12 – 10.0 km
Dec 15 – 05.1 km 27:31
Goal: A 30 km run and/or walk all day one day in my holidays.
Did my fastest parkrun today since May! Age grade 61.66%. Ran hard, but not risking injury.10 -
Shoe porn
I think i could have gotten away with an 8. But the suggestion was a 9. I normally wear 8 or 8.5. i dont wanna exchange them. Hopefully they pass a test run.
ETA dont mind the shin wack. I work at the corner of two tables not ment for sitting, and constantly wack my shin and or knee.
You plan to run in those?
ETA: Oops, I see you did.
They are trail running sandals. I do have one hot spot. I'm hoping loosening them up helps.1 -
juliet3455 wrote: »Off topic: The end of the semester is here (4 more days) and now the kids I teach who haven't been turning in work want to know what they can do to raise their grade. Can you turn back time and do what you should have done when it was due? If so, go for it! These are high school boys and I teach programming (Java), but I see the same thing at the college when I teach there. At least at the college level the parents can't email me.
A few years ago in Edmonton,Alberta a High School had a No Zero's policy - in other words everyone would pass.
So like your experience students weren't doing the work or turning the work in and the one teacher went against policy and gave out zero's. The school board actually terminated him - he was re-instated after a big media blitz and public feedback. In real life if you don't do the work you will quickly find yourself out of work looking for a new job. Better to learn that lesson in school rather than later in life. Also Universities started tracking students High school marks against there University marks and quickly realized that some schools (school divisions) were not giving a mark that reflected what the student had learned when compared to the other schools in differant divisions. So they raised the entrance mark requirement for the sub-par schools and made it fairly public which caused some changes.ContraryMaryMary wrote: »So, time, treatment, and a gentle yet aborted run have revealed a new diagnosis of calf tear. That’s my running done for 2018. 😢
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quilteryoyo wrote: »
*I can tell the driver is visually impaired because he (gender assumed, can't see him) drives with very high powered headlights on high beam, but still needs to be a half car length from the car in front of him in order to see where he's going. There are a lot of visually impaired drivers out in December; there will be fewer in January.
Hahaha We have a lot of visually impaired drivers around here too.
@ContraryMaryMary So sorry about your injury! I had a calf muscle tear about 3 years ago. It was almost healed when I stepped in a hole and hurt it again, so please be careful and I hope it heals quickly.
Yes, my physio has warned me that reinjury is common. Mine was initially a strain following an intense running event in late november, then last Tuesday I went to dash across a car park as it was pouring with rain and my calf ‘popped’. Stupid.7 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Interesting study on why maximalist shoes may not be a good idea:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2187709-the-most-comfortable-running-shoes-may-actually-increase-injury-risk/
(Behind a paywall, sorry. The gist is as follows.)Juha-Pekka Kulmala at the University of Helsinki in Finland and his colleagues studied the biomechanics of 12 healthy men aged 22 to 32 as they ran in two shoe types – a regular sneaker with 33 millimetres of cushioning under the heel and 22 millimetres under the forefoot, and a highly-cushioned “maximalist” sneaker with a 43-millimetre heel and 37-millimetre forefoot height.
The participants ran at two different speeds – 10 and 15 kilometres per hour – along a 30-metre platform that measured how hard their feet hit the ground. They also wore reflective stickers that allowed video cameras to capture their motion.
At both speeds, the runners landed on their feet harder when they wore the maximalist sneakers than the regular kind. The peak impact force was 6 per cent higher on average at the slower running speed and 11 per cent higher at the faster speed.
Leg stiffness
The video analysis suggested this was because the runners bent their knees and ankles less when they wore the maximalist shoes, which caused their bodies to decelerate faster as they landed and placed extra stress on their legs.
Normally when we run, our legs act like springs that compress as the feet land and then release as they take off, says Kulmala. But because highly-cushioned shoes already compress under the feet, the legs don’t need to compress as much themselves, meaning they bend less at the knees and ankles, he says.
This extra leg stiffness and higher ground impact means that running in maximalist sneakers is likely to increase the risk of injuries, particularly stress fractures, says Kulmala. It also means that the common advice given to injury-prone runners to buy shoes with more padding may actually backfire, he says.
@rheddmobile - I know this was back a few days (I am slowly reading through and catching up) but wanted to thank you for this. I may just have to point my podiatrist to this study... She who thinks my Altras and Topos are not 'normal' running shoes and I need a good heavily cushioned Asics, Brooks or Saucony instead. No, she is not a runner and doesn't exactly approve of running for someone 'my age' pfffft!
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polskagirl01 wrote: »polskagirl01 wrote: »girlinahat wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »It was 48 degrees for my run. I have obviously completely forgotten how to dress for such a heat wave as I was pouring streams of water off me by the time I got back after 12 miles.
Due to the tilt of the Earth and all that it is now full dark when I am on my return run through the park. There are no lights, plenty of shade trees, and lots of potholes and other trip hazards plus bicycles racing down the trail. So I run with flashy armbands and a waist lamp. Yet I am constantly coming across walkers and runners dressed in all dark clothes with no lights at all.
Please do not be stupid like them. They are asking to get hurt. Light yourself up so that you have a chance not to get hit at the very least.
Oh. This morning I went out at before-sun-up-o’clock dressed in dark navy tights, a black top (maybe it had some dark pink trim), black gloves and a black hat. No high vis, no light, nada. I didn’t trip or fall, I didn’t get run over (I stopped for cars before crossing the roads or used the pedestrian-controlled signals (and believe me, we have plenty of visually impaired drivers here), and no one crashed into me. Most of my route is in the dark too.
I guess what I’m saying is dress up like a Christmas tree if it’s appropriate. Otherwise, let the rest of the world enjoy the darkness while it can.
Depends on where you're running. If you're running on the road itself or the shoulder like in much of rural USA, I agree with @PastorVincent. But if you've got even sidewalks, trails, and pedestrian-controlled signals, it's not as necessary. For example, I have lights, but don't turn them on when I'm running down the sidewalk, unless I literally can't see where I'm going.
even with sidewalks. because eventually you have to cross the street.
Ok but in that case, you need to be wearing a bright yellow hi-vis vest during the day, too
Finally I may have said something controversial enough to get an actual "woo!" But I still don't like it, because they're anonymous and you can't respond with an actual conversation.4 -
Question for the sensible minded and the experienced runners round here (I know, not necessarily the same thing!)
I know full well that it's a waste of time and space even asking this and that common sense must prevail but I seem to have lost mine.
As you all know (from how much I've gone on and on about it) I ran my first HM last Sunday. It was the furthest I'd ever run so I expected to be sore, especially as my legs were sore after the previous Sunday's 10 mile run. So the couple of days of sore knees and calves were not unexpected and I rested my legs dutifully. On Wednesday as they felt tight but not painful I took them for a 3 kilometre shake out run, which went ok (although the last kilometre or so was hard work). Felt fine on Thursday, did an hour's walk on the treadmill and an hour's upper body strength workout with light weights. So far so good. Yesterday I went out to run a slow 5 kilometres. After about 12 minutes my knees started to hurt. I stubbornly continued, shortening my intervals to run 4 minutes, walk 1 minute. Came home, iced them and slapped on some anti-inflamatory gel and put them up. They seemed ok, until I had to walk up a steep hill twice in the afternoon to take my daughter to a class. The second time I had to walk down that hill it felt like my left knee was on fire, and by the time I got home everything from my hip to my ankle on that side felt like it was in a scalding iron brace. The other knee was complaining too, but not so badly.
So rest of the day on the sofa with feet up and cold compresses, and more anti-inflamatory gel before bed.
This morning they don't feel too bad yet but I haven't moved much, I'm pretty scared of how they'll react when I do. Stuck a couple of those nasty cheap elasticated knee support bandage things over them just cause they were in a cupboard.
Ok, so, I realise that I should probably not even try to run for a couple of days, even though my plan had been to try and get 6-8km in tomorrow. What worries me is how much rest I can get away with without it affecting my fitness level I suppose?
I have a 14 week training plan for another HM which starts on Tuesday and should have me run 20km altogether for the week. Should I skip that entire week? If I do will I be ok to jump straight into 4 runs totally 21km in a week after 2 weeks off? Should I just take tomorrow and Monday off then maybe try to just do 3km runs next week instead of longer ones?
I know, none of you are doctors or can tell me what to do, guess I'm just using this as somewhere to write down all the thoughts spinning round and round my head. What I'm secretly hoping is that one of you is Harry Potter and can point your wand at my knees and turn them into nice young healthy uncomplaining joints that allow me to run all the miles without them *kitten* up my plans!
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@eleanorhawkins I’m not experienced enough to say much, but I would think rest is more important than sticking religiously to the plan.
Most HM training plans assume you are coming from something less than a HM base. So skipping a run in the first week or reducing the mileage is unlikely to be bad FOR YOU as you’ve only recently done an actual HM. You’ll find you can catch up quickly enough but better to rest now than screw up the whole thing.7 -
girlinahat wrote: »@eleanorhawkins I’m not experienced enough to say much, but I would think rest is more important than sticking religiously to the plan.
Most HM training plans assume you are coming from something less than a HM base. So skipping a run in the first week or reducing the mileage is unlikely to be bad FOR YOU as you’ve only recently done an actual HM. You’ll find you can catch up quickly enough but better to rest now than screw up the whole thing.
Thanks, yes that seems the sensible option. Just I have a little crazy part somewhere that seems to think if I stop I lose my entire base and would need to work back up from zero and then of course the panic kicks in cause I don't have time to start from zero! lol brains should come with an off switch
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eleanorhawkins wrote: »Question for the sensible minded and the experienced runners round here (I know, not necessarily the same thing!)
I know full well that it's a waste of time and space even asking this and that common sense must prevail but I seem to have lost mine.
As you all know (from how much I've gone on and on about it) I ran my first HM last Sunday. It was the furthest I'd ever run so I expected to be sore, especially as my legs were sore after the previous Sunday's 10 mile run. So the couple of days of sore knees and calves were not unexpected and I rested my legs dutifully. On Wednesday as they felt tight but not painful I took them for a 3 kilometre shake out run, which went ok (although the last kilometre or so was hard work). Felt fine on Thursday, did an hour's walk on the treadmill and an hour's upper body strength workout with light weights. So far so good. Yesterday I went out to run a slow 5 kilometres. After about 12 minutes my knees started to hurt. I stubbornly continued, shortening my intervals to run 4 minutes, walk 1 minute. Came home, iced them and slapped on some anti-inflamatory gel and put them up. They seemed ok, until I had to walk up a steep hill twice in the afternoon to take my daughter to a class. The second time I had to walk down that hill it felt like my left knee was on fire, and by the time I got home everything from my hip to my ankle on that side felt like it was in a scalding iron brace. The other knee was complaining too, but not so badly.
So rest of the day on the sofa with feet up and cold compresses, and more anti-inflamatory gel before bed.
This morning they don't feel too bad yet but I haven't moved much, I'm pretty scared of how they'll react when I do. Stuck a couple of those nasty cheap elasticated knee support bandage things over them just cause they were in a cupboard.
Ok, so, I realise that I should probably not even try to run for a couple of days, even though my plan had been to try and get 6-8km in tomorrow. What worries me is how much rest I can get away with without it affecting my fitness level I suppose?
I have a 14 week training plan for another HM which starts on Tuesday and should have me run 20km altogether for the week. Should I skip that entire week? If I do will I be ok to jump straight into 4 runs totally 21km in a week after 2 weeks off? Should I just take tomorrow and Monday off then maybe try to just do 3km runs next week instead of longer ones?
I know, none of you are doctors or can tell me what to do, guess I'm just using this as somewhere to write down all the thoughts spinning round and round my head. What I'm secretly hoping is that one of you is Harry Potter and can point your wand at my knees and turn them into nice young healthy uncomplaining joints that allow me to run all the miles without them *kitten* up my plans!
I agree with @girlinahat
This doesn't sound like normal "post-race soreness", and at least in my recent experience, the longer you keep trying to stick to a plan, the longer it's going to be a problem for you and you could end up losing even more time.
Try to stop thinking about "how long before I lose fitness", and concentrate on "how long do I need to be fully recovered?". And yes, you should probably get it checked out if you can.5 -
polskagirl01 wrote: »eleanorhawkins wrote: »Question for the sensible minded and the experienced runners round here (I know, not necessarily the same thing!)
I know full well that it's a waste of time and space even asking this and that common sense must prevail but I seem to have lost mine.
As you all know (from how much I've gone on and on about it) I ran my first HM last Sunday. It was the furthest I'd ever run so I expected to be sore, especially as my legs were sore after the previous Sunday's 10 mile run. So the couple of days of sore knees and calves were not unexpected and I rested my legs dutifully. On Wednesday as they felt tight but not painful I took them for a 3 kilometre shake out run, which went ok (although the last kilometre or so was hard work). Felt fine on Thursday, did an hour's walk on the treadmill and an hour's upper body strength workout with light weights. So far so good. Yesterday I went out to run a slow 5 kilometres. After about 12 minutes my knees started to hurt. I stubbornly continued, shortening my intervals to run 4 minutes, walk 1 minute. Came home, iced them and slapped on some anti-inflamatory gel and put them up. They seemed ok, until I had to walk up a steep hill twice in the afternoon to take my daughter to a class. The second time I had to walk down that hill it felt like my left knee was on fire, and by the time I got home everything from my hip to my ankle on that side felt like it was in a scalding iron brace. The other knee was complaining too, but not so badly.
So rest of the day on the sofa with feet up and cold compresses, and more anti-inflamatory gel before bed.
This morning they don't feel too bad yet but I haven't moved much, I'm pretty scared of how they'll react when I do. Stuck a couple of those nasty cheap elasticated knee support bandage things over them just cause they were in a cupboard.
Ok, so, I realise that I should probably not even try to run for a couple of days, even though my plan had been to try and get 6-8km in tomorrow. What worries me is how much rest I can get away with without it affecting my fitness level I suppose?
I have a 14 week training plan for another HM which starts on Tuesday and should have me run 20km altogether for the week. Should I skip that entire week? If I do will I be ok to jump straight into 4 runs totally 21km in a week after 2 weeks off? Should I just take tomorrow and Monday off then maybe try to just do 3km runs next week instead of longer ones?
I know, none of you are doctors or can tell me what to do, guess I'm just using this as somewhere to write down all the thoughts spinning round and round my head. What I'm secretly hoping is that one of you is Harry Potter and can point your wand at my knees and turn them into nice young healthy uncomplaining joints that allow me to run all the miles without them *kitten* up my plans!
I agree with @girlinahat
This doesn't sound like normal "post-race soreness", and at least in my recent experience, the longer you keep trying to stick to a plan, the longer it's going to be a problem for you and you could end up losing even more time.
Try to stop thinking about "how long before I lose fitness", and concentrate on "how long do I need to be fully recovered?". And yes, you should probably get it checked out if you can.
Thanks, yes I see your point. Will try to get to see my GP on Monday, although I doubt I can expect anything other than a strange look and a recommendation to rest, ice, take ibuprofen and stop doing things you're too old for (insert rolly eyes smiley here)
I guess the thing that upsets me the most here is that I literally just paid and signed up for my next HM on March 24th. 2 days ago. And now this. And it's an awesome race with awesome bling that I've been looking forward to for months already. But I guess in the end it's just money and there will be other years. Sigh.
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eleanorhawkins wrote: »polskagirl01 wrote: »eleanorhawkins wrote: »Question for the sensible minded and the experienced runners round here (I know, not necessarily the same thing!)
I know full well that it's a waste of time and space even asking this and that common sense must prevail but I seem to have lost mine.
As you all know (from how much I've gone on and on about it) I ran my first HM last Sunday. It was the furthest I'd ever run so I expected to be sore, especially as my legs were sore after the previous Sunday's 10 mile run. So the couple of days of sore knees and calves were not unexpected and I rested my legs dutifully. On Wednesday as they felt tight but not painful I took them for a 3 kilometre shake out run, which went ok (although the last kilometre or so was hard work). Felt fine on Thursday, did an hour's walk on the treadmill and an hour's upper body strength workout with light weights. So far so good. Yesterday I went out to run a slow 5 kilometres. After about 12 minutes my knees started to hurt. I stubbornly continued, shortening my intervals to run 4 minutes, walk 1 minute. Came home, iced them and slapped on some anti-inflamatory gel and put them up. They seemed ok, until I had to walk up a steep hill twice in the afternoon to take my daughter to a class. The second time I had to walk down that hill it felt like my left knee was on fire, and by the time I got home everything from my hip to my ankle on that side felt like it was in a scalding iron brace. The other knee was complaining too, but not so badly.
So rest of the day on the sofa with feet up and cold compresses, and more anti-inflamatory gel before bed.
This morning they don't feel too bad yet but I haven't moved much, I'm pretty scared of how they'll react when I do. Stuck a couple of those nasty cheap elasticated knee support bandage things over them just cause they were in a cupboard.
Ok, so, I realise that I should probably not even try to run for a couple of days, even though my plan had been to try and get 6-8km in tomorrow. What worries me is how much rest I can get away with without it affecting my fitness level I suppose?
I have a 14 week training plan for another HM which starts on Tuesday and should have me run 20km altogether for the week. Should I skip that entire week? If I do will I be ok to jump straight into 4 runs totally 21km in a week after 2 weeks off? Should I just take tomorrow and Monday off then maybe try to just do 3km runs next week instead of longer ones?
I know, none of you are doctors or can tell me what to do, guess I'm just using this as somewhere to write down all the thoughts spinning round and round my head. What I'm secretly hoping is that one of you is Harry Potter and can point your wand at my knees and turn them into nice young healthy uncomplaining joints that allow me to run all the miles without them *kitten* up my plans!
I agree with @girlinahat
This doesn't sound like normal "post-race soreness", and at least in my recent experience, the longer you keep trying to stick to a plan, the longer it's going to be a problem for you and you could end up losing even more time.
Try to stop thinking about "how long before I lose fitness", and concentrate on "how long do I need to be fully recovered?". And yes, you should probably get it checked out if you can.
Thanks, yes I see your point. Will try to get to see my GP on Monday, although I doubt I can expect anything other than a strange look and a recommendation to rest, ice, take ibuprofen and stop doing things you're too old for (insert rolly eyes smiley here)
I guess the thing that upsets me the most here is that I literally just paid and signed up for my next HM on March 24th. 2 days ago. And now this. And it's an awesome race with awesome bling that I've been looking forward to for months already. But I guess in the end it's just money and there will be other years. Sigh.
I really think you have plenty of time to recover from this and then build up to a half. Don't despair just yet
ETA: plus it's not even necessarily "building up", as you're already at that level. It won't take as long to get back there again.5 -
12/1-9 Totals: bike 41 minutes, run 39.1km
12/10 - run 16.5k
12/11 - run 4.4k (w/250-meter hill x4)
12/12 - bike 40 minutes
12/13 - run 9k
12/14 - rest
12/15 - run 10.1k
Dodged some ice and saw some deer today. Now to continue enjoying my first free Saturday in over a month, and make Christmas cookies with the kids!
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eleanorhawkins wrote: »Question for the sensible minded and the experienced runners round here (I know, not necessarily the same thing!)
I know full well that it's a waste of time and space even asking this and that common sense must prevail but I seem to have lost mine.
As you all know (from how much I've gone on and on about it) I ran my first HM last Sunday. It was the furthest I'd ever run so I expected to be sore, especially as my legs were sore after the previous Sunday's 10 mile run. So the couple of days of sore knees and calves were not unexpected and I rested my legs dutifully. On Wednesday as they felt tight but not painful I took them for a 3 kilometre shake out run, which went ok (although the last kilometre or so was hard work). Felt fine on Thursday, did an hour's walk on the treadmill and an hour's upper body strength workout with light weights. So far so good. Yesterday I went out to run a slow 5 kilometres. After about 12 minutes my knees started to hurt. I stubbornly continued, shortening my intervals to run 4 minutes, walk 1 minute. Came home, iced them and slapped on some anti-inflamatory gel and put them up. They seemed ok, until I had to walk up a steep hill twice in the afternoon to take my daughter to a class. The second time I had to walk down that hill it felt like my left knee was on fire, and by the time I got home everything from my hip to my ankle on that side felt like it was in a scalding iron brace. The other knee was complaining too, but not so badly.
So rest of the day on the sofa with feet up and cold compresses, and more anti-inflamatory gel before bed.
This morning they don't feel too bad yet but I haven't moved much, I'm pretty scared of how they'll react when I do. Stuck a couple of those nasty cheap elasticated knee support bandage things over them just cause they were in a cupboard.
Ok, so, I realise that I should probably not even try to run for a couple of days, even though my plan had been to try and get 6-8km in tomorrow. What worries me is how much rest I can get away with without it affecting my fitness level I suppose?
I have a 14 week training plan for another HM which starts on Tuesday and should have me run 20km altogether for the week. Should I skip that entire week? If I do will I be ok to jump straight into 4 runs totally 21km in a week after 2 weeks off? Should I just take tomorrow and Monday off then maybe try to just do 3km runs next week instead of longer ones?
I know, none of you are doctors or can tell me what to do, guess I'm just using this as somewhere to write down all the thoughts spinning round and round my head. What I'm secretly hoping is that one of you is Harry Potter and can point your wand at my knees and turn them into nice young healthy uncomplaining joints that allow me to run all the miles without them *kitten* up my plans!
First, you lose fitness MUCH slower than people think. Skipping 1 of the midweek runs to rest/heal will not likely set you back. Taking a week off now, 14 weeks out from your next race is also completely unlikely to have any impact at all race morning. Just start the plan on week 2. The people who have lives that permit them to exactly follow a plan with no missed runs are very few and far between. So do not worry about missing. Taking care of an injury NOW 14+ weeks out is way better than pushing it off and potentially doing more damage.
Second, make sure you are seeing a doctor that knows about sports and endurance sports. Most GPs will not likely understand sports injuries and dealing with training for races and the like. Physical Therapist tend to be better prepared in this regard.7 -
ContraryMaryMary wrote: »Yes, my physio has warned me that reinjury is common. Mine was initially a strain following an intense running event in late november, then last Tuesday I went to dash across a car park as it was pouring with rain and my calf ‘popped’. Stupid.
I tore mine while playing tennis. I made a quick change of direction and heard the pop and couldn't walk. Had to be carried from the courts. About 2 days after I was told I could get out of the boot part of the day, I was walking in my yard and that heel went into a hole and I felt/heard not one, but three pops. It wasn't good and took me about 4 month before I could do much at all. That's when I gained about 50 pounds. Yikes! Why is it so easy to gain and so hard to lose? (I guess that is a subject for a different day.) Anywho, that is why I am trying to get back to consistent exercise/running. It's the only thing that seems to work for me to maintain a healthy weight and, I really do enjoy running and feel a lot better when I do. I hope you are able to keep from re-injuring it again and it heals up soon!
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polskagirl01 wrote: »polskagirl01 wrote: »polskagirl01 wrote: »girlinahat wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »It was 48 degrees for my run. I have obviously completely forgotten how to dress for such a heat wave as I was pouring streams of water off me by the time I got back after 12 miles.
Due to the tilt of the Earth and all that it is now full dark when I am on my return run through the park. There are no lights, plenty of shade trees, and lots of potholes and other trip hazards plus bicycles racing down the trail. So I run with flashy armbands and a waist lamp. Yet I am constantly coming across walkers and runners dressed in all dark clothes with no lights at all.
Please do not be stupid like them. They are asking to get hurt. Light yourself up so that you have a chance not to get hit at the very least.
Oh. This morning I went out at before-sun-up-o’clock dressed in dark navy tights, a black top (maybe it had some dark pink trim), black gloves and a black hat. No high vis, no light, nada. I didn’t trip or fall, I didn’t get run over (I stopped for cars before crossing the roads or used the pedestrian-controlled signals (and believe me, we have plenty of visually impaired drivers here), and no one crashed into me. Most of my route is in the dark too.
I guess what I’m saying is dress up like a Christmas tree if it’s appropriate. Otherwise, let the rest of the world enjoy the darkness while it can.
Depends on where you're running. If you're running on the road itself or the shoulder like in much of rural USA, I agree with @PastorVincent. But if you've got even sidewalks, trails, and pedestrian-controlled signals, it's not as necessary. For example, I have lights, but don't turn them on when I'm running down the sidewalk, unless I literally can't see where I'm going.
even with sidewalks. because eventually you have to cross the street.
Ok but in that case, you need to be wearing a bright yellow hi-vis vest during the day, too
Finally I may have said something controversial enough to get an actual "woo!" But I still don't like it, because they're anonymous and you can't respond with an actual conversation.
Oh sorry that was me. I didn't woo you intentionally. Its just in the right spot that i scroll through.
So, yall get woo'd might tag me to check it. I do it all the freaking time. That button is nothing but trouble.4
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