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Body Positive Movement - For or against?

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  • Tedebearduff
    Tedebearduff Posts: 1,155 Member
    MADDIESMOMMY6611 wrote: »
    How do you feel about the body positive movement? I haven't given it much thought but recently stumbled onto a few forums on a bodybuilding website where the overall theme was extremely against this movement. One commenter went as far as to say people for the movement are looking to destroy our country (USA) by promoting unhealthy eating habits and laziness.

    What does this movement mean to you? Do you agree or disagree with it?

    People take this the wrong way, it's about loving yourself and not putting up with bullies, it's not promoting anything but being okay with who you are (no matter if you're 100lbs or 300lbs - people seem to forget this). To think someone shouldn't feel comfortable and happy with themselves no matter what their weight is *kitten* up and you're *kitten* up to think such a thing. I'm 100% for it, love yourself, love everyday as it's a blessing and ignore the online bullies who think they're better then everyone.
  • aokoye
    aokoye Posts: 3,495 Member
    Never mind that the body positive movement isn't just about fat acceptance. Think it does is taking a really myopic view of it.
  • aokoye
    aokoye Posts: 3,495 Member
    glovepuppet wrote: »
    I'm all for body positively, nobody should be ridiculed or made to feel ugly, I think it does far more harm than good. How many threads have been made by someone wanting to exercise but being ashamed to because of people judging their weight?

    This seems contradictory but maybe I'm misunderstanding you. First you say that you're pro body positivity, then that it does more harm than good, then mention (or at least imply) that there have been a number of threads about people being ashamed to workout because they fear that people will judge their weight.
  • lemurcat2
    lemurcat2 Posts: 7,887 Member
    glovepuppet wrote: »
    I'm all for body positively, nobody should be ridiculed or made to feel ugly, I think it does far more harm than good. How many threads have been made by someone wanting to exercise but being ashamed to because of people judging their weight?
    aokoye wrote: »
    This seems contradictory but maybe I'm misunderstanding you. First you say that you're pro body positivity, then that it does more harm than good, then mention (or at least imply) that there have been a number of threads about people being ashamed to workout because they fear that people will judge their weight.

    I believe the poster is saying that he/she is all for body positivity, because nobody should be ridiculed or made to feel ugly. Doing that (ridicule, etc.) does more harm than good.
  • lemurcat2
    lemurcat2 Posts: 7,887 Member
    aokoye wrote: »
    Never mind that the body positive movement isn't just about fat acceptance. Think it does is taking a really myopic view of it.

    Absolutely this.
  • glovepuppet
    glovepuppet Posts: 1,710 Member
    aokoye wrote: »
    glovepuppet wrote: »
    I'm all for body positively, nobody should be ridiculed or made to feel ugly, I think it does far more harm than good. How many threads have been made by someone wanting to exercise but being ashamed to because of people judging their weight?

    This seems contradictory but maybe I'm misunderstanding you. First you say that you're pro body positivity, then that it does more harm than good, then mention (or at least imply) that there have been a number of threads about people being ashamed to workout because they fear that people will judge their weight.

    Making people feel ugly does more harm than good.
  • magnusthenerd
    magnusthenerd Posts: 1,207 Member
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    glovepuppet wrote: »
    I'm all for body positively, nobody should be ridiculed or made to feel ugly, I think it does far more harm than good. How many threads have been made by someone wanting to exercise but being ashamed to because of people judging their weight?
    aokoye wrote: »
    This seems contradictory but maybe I'm misunderstanding you. First you say that you're pro body positivity, then that it does more harm than good, then mention (or at least imply) that there have been a number of threads about people being ashamed to workout because they fear that people will judge their weight.

    I believe the poster is saying that he/she is all for body positivity, because nobody should be ridiculed or made to feel ugly. Doing that (ridicule, etc.) does more harm than good.

    Pet peeve of my, ambiguous antecedents to pronouns.
  • aokoye
    aokoye Posts: 3,495 Member
    glovepuppet wrote: »
    aokoye wrote: »
    glovepuppet wrote: »
    I'm all for body positively, nobody should be ridiculed or made to feel ugly, I think it does far more harm than good. How many threads have been made by someone wanting to exercise but being ashamed to because of people judging their weight?

    This seems contradictory but maybe I'm misunderstanding you. First you say that you're pro body positivity, then that it does more harm than good, then mention (or at least imply) that there have been a number of threads about people being ashamed to workout because they fear that people will judge their weight.

    Making people feel ugly does more harm than good.

    Ah yeah, that wasn't especially clear from what you had written. I do agree with you on that though.
  • glovepuppet
    glovepuppet Posts: 1,710 Member
    magnusthenerd wrote: »
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    glovepuppet wrote: »
    I'm all for body positively, nobody should be ridiculed or made to feel ugly, I think it does far more harm than good. How many threads have been made by someone wanting to exercise but being ashamed to because of people judging their weight?
    aokoye wrote: »
    This seems contradictory but maybe I'm misunderstanding you. First you say that you're pro body positivity, then that it does more harm than good, then mention (or at least imply) that there have been a number of threads about people being ashamed to workout because they fear that people will judge their weight.

    I believe the poster is saying that he/she is all for body positivity, because nobody should be ridiculed or made to feel ugly. Doing that (ridicule, etc.) does more harm than good.

    Pet peeve of my, ambiguous antecedents to pronouns.

    I'm autistic and didn't even speak until I was four. Communication doesn't come naturally. Bite me.
  • magnusthenerd
    magnusthenerd Posts: 1,207 Member
    glovepuppet wrote: »
    magnusthenerd wrote: »
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    glovepuppet wrote: »
    I'm all for body positively, nobody should be ridiculed or made to feel ugly, I think it does far more harm than good. How many threads have been made by someone wanting to exercise but being ashamed to because of people judging their weight?
    aokoye wrote: »
    This seems contradictory but maybe I'm misunderstanding you. First you say that you're pro body positivity, then that it does more harm than good, then mention (or at least imply) that there have been a number of threads about people being ashamed to workout because they fear that people will judge their weight.

    I believe the poster is saying that he/she is all for body positivity, because nobody should be ridiculed or made to feel ugly. Doing that (ridicule, etc.) does more harm than good.

    Pet peeve of my, ambiguous antecedents to pronouns.

    I'm autistic and didn't even speak until I was four. Communication doesn't come naturally. Bite me.

    I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to pick on you - it bothers me in general (don't care for ambiguity), and it is a common issue even for neurotypical people.
  • aokoye
    aokoye Posts: 3,495 Member
    edited August 2019
    glovepuppet wrote: »
    magnusthenerd wrote: »
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    glovepuppet wrote: »
    I'm all for body positively, nobody should be ridiculed or made to feel ugly, I think it does far more harm than good. How many threads have been made by someone wanting to exercise but being ashamed to because of people judging their weight?
    aokoye wrote: »
    This seems contradictory but maybe I'm misunderstanding you. First you say that you're pro body positivity, then that it does more harm than good, then mention (or at least imply) that there have been a number of threads about people being ashamed to workout because they fear that people will judge their weight.

    I believe the poster is saying that he/she is all for body positivity, because nobody should be ridiculed or made to feel ugly. Doing that (ridicule, etc.) does more harm than good.

    Pet peeve of my, ambiguous antecedents to pronouns.

    I'm autistic and didn't even speak until I was four. Communication doesn't come naturally. Bite me.

    Honestly it was an issue of ambiguity that could have been cleared up with a change in punctuation. Like was said above, it's a super common issue. That's especially when dealing with asynchronous communication.

    edit: and no, I'm not getting on anyone for having difficulty with punctuation or making typos - I'm just partially explaining the root of the ambiguity.
  • aokoye
    aokoye Posts: 3,495 Member
    MikeRobi81 wrote: »
    Fat acceptance shouldn't be a thing. Everyone should try to be as healthy as they can be. People like Tess Holliday has a huge negative impact on the health of her followers. This movement wants Doctors (medical professionals) to stop using the medical term "obesity" and that is just wrong. I'm against fat shaming, no one should be bullied.

    Body positivity is a lot more than just "fat acceptance".
  • Phirrgus
    Phirrgus Posts: 1,894 Member
    aokoye wrote: »
    MikeRobi81 wrote: »
    Fat acceptance shouldn't be a thing. Everyone should try to be as healthy as they can be. People like Tess Holliday has a huge negative impact on the health of her followers. This movement wants Doctors (medical professionals) to stop using the medical term "obesity" and that is just wrong. I'm against fat shaming, no one should be bullied.

    Body positivity is a lot more than just "fat acceptance".

    Peoples perceptions of any movement will always swing towards the most vocal, most public proponents of that movement. I know you know that, I just think it's important to point that out for awareness.
  • unicorngems
    unicorngems Posts: 56 Member
    edited August 2019
    I think we should love ourselves no matter what size we are.

    For me it's not just about size though, it's about the acceptance of anything physically that may not be so 'acceptable' by society.

    That for me is what BP represents, that mean's that the individual promoting acceptance for ones size/shape may not be the most healthy person.

    A lot of these people aren't claiming that it's 'okay to be fat', because we all know it's not. And, we don't have to be health professionals to know that. It's about accepting ourselves in the shape that we are warts and all.....

    I don't have a problem with it...
  • aokoye
    aokoye Posts: 3,495 Member
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    aokoye wrote: »
    MikeRobi81 wrote: »
    Fat acceptance shouldn't be a thing. Everyone should try to be as healthy as they can be. People like Tess Holliday has a huge negative impact on the health of her followers. This movement wants Doctors (medical professionals) to stop using the medical term "obesity" and that is just wrong. I'm against fat shaming, no one should be bullied.

    Body positivity is a lot more than just "fat acceptance".

    Peoples perceptions of any movement will always swing towards the most vocal, most public proponents of that movement. I know you know that, I just think it's important to point that out for awareness.

    Indeed, indeed. I couldn't agree more, even if it's a frustrating reality.
  • Phirrgus
    Phirrgus Posts: 1,894 Member
    aokoye wrote: »
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    aokoye wrote: »
    MikeRobi81 wrote: »
    Fat acceptance shouldn't be a thing. Everyone should try to be as healthy as they can be. People like Tess Holliday has a huge negative impact on the health of her followers. This movement wants Doctors (medical professionals) to stop using the medical term "obesity" and that is just wrong. I'm against fat shaming, no one should be bullied.

    Body positivity is a lot more than just "fat acceptance".

    Peoples perceptions of any movement will always swing towards the most vocal, most public proponents of that movement. I know you know that, I just think it's important to point that out for awareness.

    Indeed, indeed. I couldn't agree more, even if it's a frustrating reality.
    It is. All the more important to have discussions about the various facets of the issue, but incredibly difficult at times to keep it from being derailed by those readily available, very large broad brushes.

    Sometimes being able to reach an understanding with even a single person on a given misconception is very much a win, much less the crowd out there.
  • aokoye
    aokoye Posts: 3,495 Member
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    aokoye wrote: »
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    aokoye wrote: »
    MikeRobi81 wrote: »
    Fat acceptance shouldn't be a thing. Everyone should try to be as healthy as they can be. People like Tess Holliday has a huge negative impact on the health of her followers. This movement wants Doctors (medical professionals) to stop using the medical term "obesity" and that is just wrong. I'm against fat shaming, no one should be bullied.

    Body positivity is a lot more than just "fat acceptance".

    Peoples perceptions of any movement will always swing towards the most vocal, most public proponents of that movement. I know you know that, I just think it's important to point that out for awareness.

    Indeed, indeed. I couldn't agree more, even if it's a frustrating reality.
    It is. All the more important to have discussions about the various facets of the issue, but incredibly difficult at times to keep it from being derailed by those readily available, very large broad brushes.

    Sometimes being able to reach an understanding with even a single person on a given misconception is very much a win, much less the crowd out there.
    Agreed, that's typically my approach offline, though there it's really a matter of picking my battles and saving my energy. Of course, sometimes it's an issue of people not wanting to change their perceptions. At that point it becomes a question of how much I actually want to spend time with the person, how easy is it to avoid XYZ topic(s), is it worth maintaining contact with the person, etc.
  • Phirrgus
    Phirrgus Posts: 1,894 Member
    aokoye wrote: »
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    aokoye wrote: »
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    aokoye wrote: »
    MikeRobi81 wrote: »
    Fat acceptance shouldn't be a thing. Everyone should try to be as healthy as they can be. People like Tess Holliday has a huge negative impact on the health of her followers. This movement wants Doctors (medical professionals) to stop using the medical term "obesity" and that is just wrong. I'm against fat shaming, no one should be bullied.

    Body positivity is a lot more than just "fat acceptance".

    Peoples perceptions of any movement will always swing towards the most vocal, most public proponents of that movement. I know you know that, I just think it's important to point that out for awareness.

    Indeed, indeed. I couldn't agree more, even if it's a frustrating reality.
    It is. All the more important to have discussions about the various facets of the issue, but incredibly difficult at times to keep it from being derailed by those readily available, very large broad brushes.

    Sometimes being able to reach an understanding with even a single person on a given misconception is very much a win, much less the crowd out there.
    Agreed, that's typically my approach offline, though there it's really a matter of picking my battles and saving my energy. Of course, sometimes it's an issue of people not wanting to change their perceptions. At that point it becomes a question of how much I actually want to spend time with the person, how easy is it to avoid XYZ topic(s), is it worth maintaining contact with the person, etc.

    Honestly @aokoye, your entire post here should be required reading under "rules of engagement" for every debate forum on the web.

    No matter how right or reasonable a person may be, if the other party isn't willing to listen/discuss/consider and so on, then nothing is truly gained other than the opportunity for each to air their facts and/or opinions/perceptions.

    It's truly gratifying when 2 diametrically opposed PoVs can meet in the middle, so to speak, and just as frustrating when it does not or cannot happen. The web provides a way for people who are willing to write off other people they don't understand with a few keystrokes, and I believe it's harmful in that light, but it also provides a way for people who are willing to put in the work to connect in ways that may never happen if not for the connectivity the web provides.

    Personally speaking, I know it's time for me to stop reading and typing when I'm up against a brick wall, or when I'm being obtuse myself lol. That perspective also serves well when I meet various people during the course of the day and remember any one of them could be someone I chat/argue/debate with online, and I meet a huge variety of people during the course of the day.

    My n=1 based on all of those meetings is that, if I am willing to be open/not_a_judgemental_idiot most folks from all walks of life are usually willing to respond in kind. It's incredibly liberating. I wish more folks would try it.
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