September 2019 Monthly Running Challenge
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@Lazy_Bones_85 Love the new profile pic! We have one cat that loves donuts, butter, English muffins with butter, milk, French fries, mayo... haha! She’d just hop up there and have that donut you went out and hunted up for her.1
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MNLittleFinn wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »@T1DCarnivoreRunner wow, sounds like you had quite a bit stacked against you. you did an awesome job getting through it, and managing your insulin/glucose issues.
side note, I do some medical at races, trail races in particular, would having some u-100 syringes in my bag be worth something worth having, on the off chance I have a runner who experiences a similar issue?
@MNLittleFinn I have a WFR as well, but don't normally sign up as an official volunteer (not that I wouldn't, I just don't know of anything around here where they need me). There may be an advantage to having a syringe, but I'm not suggesting carrying one for long distances when weighing the odds of needing it vs. the benefit. My med kit for trail running is pretty small. When planning to go slower, I'll carry more, but I go light when trying to run trails.
The syringe they gave me was not actually intended for insulin, but was a 1CC syringe with markings for 100 mcg within that 1 CC. So the markings were perfectly worked out. At one of the places I asked where they didn't have a syringe at all, they said they didn't have insulin. Obviously they wouldn't... I explained I didn't need the insulin, I had some in my pump reservoir and just couldn't get to it at the moment because the infusion set had fallen out. But I also understand why they would not carry an insulin syringe when they don't carry insulin.
As you know, a syringe can be used for other purposes besides just injecting insulin. This is why I think it would be valuable to have a couple of them at a fixed aid station (not carrying 100 miles...) with a couple different markings, perhaps. For example, if someone has only 1 epi-pen and starts needing a 2nd (but already used the only 1 they brought), the auto-jectors don't use up all of the epinephrine. If you act very quickly, you may be able to cut the reservoir out of the auto-jector and pull the remaining medicine out with a syringe. Of course, hopefully you had the patient chew up and swallow benadryl when they could a few min. ago, but that is a different conversation.
There are likely other examples, but I'm not sure the benefits are worth carrying one for a long distance. It is a good idea to have in a fixed medical station, though, like if you are taking a whole big pack or even if they drive a plastic tub of medical supplies, water cooler, etc. out on an ATV to setup an aid station... definitely it is worthwhile to throw a couple syringes in that medical tub.
Personally, I think I'm going to add a syringe to what I carry for longer runs and marathons.
I might get some, just in case. Before I had WFR, when I was WFA, we learned about how to get the extra epi out of the pens. Not part of normal curriculum, but you know.... Benadryl is part of my normal carry bag. Extra epi is high on my priority due to the bee sting incident at my last race, where the runner didn't respond to his first dose. Other runners had found him with his autoinjector right next to him.
When I'm working medical, my truck is normally within like 100m. I have a full trauma kit in there, and a quick go kit in case I need to go out on trail. I'm always looking for more ideas and more training, can't get enough.
I also had WFA before WFR. And when it comes to "wilderness," nothing is normal.
When we did training missions for WFR, we were allowed our typical hiking pack and no medical supplies (except gloves). One one of the night missions, the patient I found had a sucking chest (left anterior trunk) wound and fractured tibia. In this case, the story, make-up, layout, etc. was that the patient had been running from wild hogs (this was in AR in a park where wild hogs are everywhere, it's ridiculous), climbed a tree, but then fell out of the tree after the hogs left. The sucking chest wound was from landing on a sharp rock (only 1 opening). The fix for the sucking chest wound was a glove (could have easily used a plastic ziploc bag if I hadn't brought extra gloves) and duct tape to seal air out, then monitor the patient and manually vent every few min. as needed. For the fractured tibia, splinted with a hiking pole and clothing for padding. Of course, it had to rain that night and there were lots of spiders too, so the "E" part was a big challenge as well. But anyway, the point I'm making is that sometimes we do what we can with what we have and that is an important part of the wilderness medical training. Other times, nothing we have is going to do the job. That's what I was faced with yesterday and why I asked for a syringe... I know they wouldn't carry infusion sets, but figured they would likely have syringes.
ETA: But of course, yesterday was also not wilderness.5 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »@T1DCarnivoreRunner wow, sounds like you had quite a bit stacked against you. you did an awesome job getting through it, and managing your insulin/glucose issues.
side note, I do some medical at races, trail races in particular, would having some u-100 syringes in my bag be worth something worth having, on the off chance I have a runner who experiences a similar issue?
@MNLittleFinn I have a WFR as well, but don't normally sign up as an official volunteer (not that I wouldn't, I just don't know of anything around here where they need me). There may be an advantage to having a syringe, but I'm not suggesting carrying one for long distances when weighing the odds of needing it vs. the benefit. My med kit for trail running is pretty small. When planning to go slower, I'll carry more, but I go light when trying to run trails.
The syringe they gave me was not actually intended for insulin, but was a 1CC syringe with markings for 100 mcg within that 1 CC. So the markings were perfectly worked out. At one of the places I asked where they didn't have a syringe at all, they said they didn't have insulin. Obviously they wouldn't... I explained I didn't need the insulin, I had some in my pump reservoir and just couldn't get to it at the moment because the infusion set had fallen out. But I also understand why they would not carry an insulin syringe when they don't carry insulin.
As you know, a syringe can be used for other purposes besides just injecting insulin. This is why I think it would be valuable to have a couple of them at a fixed aid station (not carrying 100 miles...) with a couple different markings, perhaps. For example, if someone has only 1 epi-pen and starts needing a 2nd (but already used the only 1 they brought), the auto-jectors don't use up all of the epinephrine. If you act very quickly, you may be able to cut the reservoir out of the auto-jector and pull the remaining medicine out with a syringe. Of course, hopefully you had the patient chew up and swallow benadryl when they could a few min. ago, but that is a different conversation.
There are likely other examples, but I'm not sure the benefits are worth carrying one for a long distance. It is a good idea to have in a fixed medical station, though, like if you are taking a whole big pack or even if they drive a plastic tub of medical supplies, water cooler, etc. out on an ATV to setup an aid station... definitely it is worthwhile to throw a couple syringes in that medical tub.
Personally, I think I'm going to add a syringe to what I carry for longer runs and marathons.
I might get some, just in case. Before I had WFR, when I was WFA, we learned about how to get the extra epi out of the pens. Not part of normal curriculum, but you know.... Benadryl is part of my normal carry bag. Extra epi is high on my priority due to the bee sting incident at my last race, where the runner didn't respond to his first dose. Other runners had found him with his autoinjector right next to him.
When I'm working medical, my truck is normally within like 100m. I have a full trauma kit in there, and a quick go kit in case I need to go out on trail. I'm always looking for more ideas and more training, can't get enough.
I also had WFA before WFR. And when it comes to "wilderness," nothing is normal. When we did training missions for WFR, we were allowed our typical hiking pack and no medical supplies (except gloves). One one of the night missions, the patient I found had a sucking chest (left anterior trunk) wound and fractured tibia. In this case, the story, make-up, layout, etc. was that the patient had been running from wild hogs (this was in AR in a park where wild hogs are everywhere, it's ridiculous), climbed a tree, but then fell out of the tree after the hogs left. The sucking chest wound was from landing on a sharp rock (only 1 opening). The fix for the sucking chest wound was a glove (could have easily used a plastic ziploc bag if I hadn't brought extra gloves) and duct tape to seal air out, then monitor the patient and manually vent every few min. as needed. For the fractured tibia, splinted with a hiking pole and clothing for padding. Of course, it had to rain that night and there were lots of spiders too, so the "E" part was a big challenge as well. But anyway, the point I'm making is that sometimes we do what we can with what we have and that is an important part of the wilderness medical training. Other times, nothing we have is going to do the job. That's what I was faced with yesterday and why I asked for a syringe... I know they wouldn't carry infusion sets, but figured they would likely have syringes.
ETA: But of course, yesterday was also not wilderness.
Falling out of trees is such a staple. Our last scenario was a moron who was climbing trees and fell. Open fracture right femur, broken pelvis, chest trauma, head trauma, ANO1-2 depending. It was a simulated SAR so we had full gear, but getting him extracted from tree branches, on the litter and then to the HLZ, was interesting. So glad that one was daylight, there was only 5 of us, so the litter carry was a beast.4 -
Have not run in several days, well except the race yesterday.
I think I am just going to have to call September a cutback month as I will not likely reach my normal 200 miles.
Am still making non-running strides though. I have successfully completed 6 of 6 work ours in my anti-t-rex plan, and my lunchtime walks have returned with the new job. Also spent Friday afternoon/evening working on car stereos with my teenage son, so that is a big win. Hard to find things to do with teens where you are still cool enough to take part. This old man showed him up, and blew is mind with how a $99 upgrade turned a mediocre system into a good one (replaced the OEM head unit), better than many he has heard. It is that whole experience thing that teenagers do not quite grasp.
So it is okay. Also, no paramedics called on me today, so that is a win!
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Missed Thursday or Friday, feeling too fragile to go out. Felt better Saturday but had a drink in the sun mid afternoon so only two runs this week.
7km tonight, the longest distance in 3yrs. Successfully done, with only a single 1min walk at 6.5km.
Goals September:
13 Runs................................9 run
71km....................................50 km
5km PB.................................Done 1 & 7 Sep
6km PB.................................Done 1 & 7 Sep
7km.......................................Done 22 Sep
Child to do 5km...................Done 5 Sep
Child to do r/w of 10/1m....x8 -
MNLittleFinn wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »@T1DCarnivoreRunner wow, sounds like you had quite a bit stacked against you. you did an awesome job getting through it, and managing your insulin/glucose issues.
side note, I do some medical at races, trail races in particular, would having some u-100 syringes in my bag be worth something worth having, on the off chance I have a runner who experiences a similar issue?
@MNLittleFinn I have a WFR as well, but don't normally sign up as an official volunteer (not that I wouldn't, I just don't know of anything around here where they need me). There may be an advantage to having a syringe, but I'm not suggesting carrying one for long distances when weighing the odds of needing it vs. the benefit. My med kit for trail running is pretty small. When planning to go slower, I'll carry more, but I go light when trying to run trails.
The syringe they gave me was not actually intended for insulin, but was a 1CC syringe with markings for 100 mcg within that 1 CC. So the markings were perfectly worked out. At one of the places I asked where they didn't have a syringe at all, they said they didn't have insulin. Obviously they wouldn't... I explained I didn't need the insulin, I had some in my pump reservoir and just couldn't get to it at the moment because the infusion set had fallen out. But I also understand why they would not carry an insulin syringe when they don't carry insulin.
As you know, a syringe can be used for other purposes besides just injecting insulin. This is why I think it would be valuable to have a couple of them at a fixed aid station (not carrying 100 miles...) with a couple different markings, perhaps. For example, if someone has only 1 epi-pen and starts needing a 2nd (but already used the only 1 they brought), the auto-jectors don't use up all of the epinephrine. If you act very quickly, you may be able to cut the reservoir out of the auto-jector and pull the remaining medicine out with a syringe. Of course, hopefully you had the patient chew up and swallow benadryl when they could a few min. ago, but that is a different conversation.
There are likely other examples, but I'm not sure the benefits are worth carrying one for a long distance. It is a good idea to have in a fixed medical station, though, like if you are taking a whole big pack or even if they drive a plastic tub of medical supplies, water cooler, etc. out on an ATV to setup an aid station... definitely it is worthwhile to throw a couple syringes in that medical tub.
Personally, I think I'm going to add a syringe to what I carry for longer runs and marathons.
I might get some, just in case. Before I had WFR, when I was WFA, we learned about how to get the extra epi out of the pens. Not part of normal curriculum, but you know.... Benadryl is part of my normal carry bag. Extra epi is high on my priority due to the bee sting incident at my last race, where the runner didn't respond to his first dose. Other runners had found him with his autoinjector right next to him.
When I'm working medical, my truck is normally within like 100m. I have a full trauma kit in there, and a quick go kit in case I need to go out on trail. I'm always looking for more ideas and more training, can't get enough.
I also had WFA before WFR. And when it comes to "wilderness," nothing is normal. When we did training missions for WFR, we were allowed our typical hiking pack and no medical supplies (except gloves). One one of the night missions, the patient I found had a sucking chest (left anterior trunk) wound and fractured tibia. In this case, the story, make-up, layout, etc. was that the patient had been running from wild hogs (this was in AR in a park where wild hogs are everywhere, it's ridiculous), climbed a tree, but then fell out of the tree after the hogs left. The sucking chest wound was from landing on a sharp rock (only 1 opening). The fix for the sucking chest wound was a glove (could have easily used a plastic ziploc bag if I hadn't brought extra gloves) and duct tape to seal air out, then monitor the patient and manually vent every few min. as needed. For the fractured tibia, splinted with a hiking pole and clothing for padding. Of course, it had to rain that night and there were lots of spiders too, so the "E" part was a big challenge as well. But anyway, the point I'm making is that sometimes we do what we can with what we have and that is an important part of the wilderness medical training. Other times, nothing we have is going to do the job. That's what I was faced with yesterday and why I asked for a syringe... I know they wouldn't carry infusion sets, but figured they would likely have syringes.
ETA: But of course, yesterday was also not wilderness.
Falling out of trees is such a staple. Our last scenario was a moron who was climbing trees and fell. Open fracture right femur, broken pelvis, chest trauma, head trauma, ANO1-2 depending. It was a simulated SAR so we had full gear, but getting him extracted from tree branches, on the litter and then to the HLZ, was interesting. So glad that one was daylight, there was only 5 of us, so the litter carry was a beast.
Only 5?! Yes, that is rough. And at A+Ox2, the patient automatically fails an FSA. At least in my practice case, the patient was always A+Ox4, no other factors, and pass the FSA. Plus a femur / pelvis, yikes! To be honest, though, IRL I far prefer trauma cases rather than sickness. On the patient side as a diabetic, I know what I need to do for diabetes-related sickness issues assuming I'm A - even at just A with hypoglycemia, I usually know what to do because it is more ingrained into me than my own name after so many decades.
Interestingly enough, I just tried going to Walgreens and apparently can't buy syringes here without a prescription. I really thought they were OTC in every state, but I guess Tennessee is backwards.
So I guess I need to head up to KY next weekend for a pharmacy, maybe use it as my reason to finally go run Land Between the Lakes, which I mentioned to @AlphaHowls that I had it on my list. 3 -
Morning all. Congratulations @PastorVincent and everyone else.
I finally had an achievement... My 3k run this morning was less than 6min per km! Its only been a week of getting back into the Grove and I felt like my old self again. Just needed some actual consistency. Will see how tomorrow's 5k goes though.7 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »@T1DCarnivoreRunner wow, sounds like you had quite a bit stacked against you. you did an awesome job getting through it, and managing your insulin/glucose issues.
side note, I do some medical at races, trail races in particular, would having some u-100 syringes in my bag be worth something worth having, on the off chance I have a runner who experiences a similar issue?
@MNLittleFinn I have a WFR as well, but don't normally sign up as an official volunteer (not that I wouldn't, I just don't know of anything around here where they need me). There may be an advantage to having a syringe, but I'm not suggesting carrying one for long distances when weighing the odds of needing it vs. the benefit. My med kit for trail running is pretty small. When planning to go slower, I'll carry more, but I go light when trying to run trails.
The syringe they gave me was not actually intended for insulin, but was a 1CC syringe with markings for 100 mcg within that 1 CC. So the markings were perfectly worked out. At one of the places I asked where they didn't have a syringe at all, they said they didn't have insulin. Obviously they wouldn't... I explained I didn't need the insulin, I had some in my pump reservoir and just couldn't get to it at the moment because the infusion set had fallen out. But I also understand why they would not carry an insulin syringe when they don't carry insulin.
As you know, a syringe can be used for other purposes besides just injecting insulin. This is why I think it would be valuable to have a couple of them at a fixed aid station (not carrying 100 miles...) with a couple different markings, perhaps. For example, if someone has only 1 epi-pen and starts needing a 2nd (but already used the only 1 they brought), the auto-jectors don't use up all of the epinephrine. If you act very quickly, you may be able to cut the reservoir out of the auto-jector and pull the remaining medicine out with a syringe. Of course, hopefully you had the patient chew up and swallow benadryl when they could a few min. ago, but that is a different conversation.
There are likely other examples, but I'm not sure the benefits are worth carrying one for a long distance. It is a good idea to have in a fixed medical station, though, like if you are taking a whole big pack or even if they drive a plastic tub of medical supplies, water cooler, etc. out on an ATV to setup an aid station... definitely it is worthwhile to throw a couple syringes in that medical tub.
Personally, I think I'm going to add a syringe to what I carry for longer runs and marathons.
I might get some, just in case. Before I had WFR, when I was WFA, we learned about how to get the extra epi out of the pens. Not part of normal curriculum, but you know.... Benadryl is part of my normal carry bag. Extra epi is high on my priority due to the bee sting incident at my last race, where the runner didn't respond to his first dose. Other runners had found him with his autoinjector right next to him.
When I'm working medical, my truck is normally within like 100m. I have a full trauma kit in there, and a quick go kit in case I need to go out on trail. I'm always looking for more ideas and more training, can't get enough.
I also had WFA before WFR. And when it comes to "wilderness," nothing is normal. When we did training missions for WFR, we were allowed our typical hiking pack and no medical supplies (except gloves). One one of the night missions, the patient I found had a sucking chest (left anterior trunk) wound and fractured tibia. In this case, the story, make-up, layout, etc. was that the patient had been running from wild hogs (this was in AR in a park where wild hogs are everywhere, it's ridiculous), climbed a tree, but then fell out of the tree after the hogs left. The sucking chest wound was from landing on a sharp rock (only 1 opening). The fix for the sucking chest wound was a glove (could have easily used a plastic ziploc bag if I hadn't brought extra gloves) and duct tape to seal air out, then monitor the patient and manually vent every few min. as needed. For the fractured tibia, splinted with a hiking pole and clothing for padding. Of course, it had to rain that night and there were lots of spiders too, so the "E" part was a big challenge as well. But anyway, the point I'm making is that sometimes we do what we can with what we have and that is an important part of the wilderness medical training. Other times, nothing we have is going to do the job. That's what I was faced with yesterday and why I asked for a syringe... I know they wouldn't carry infusion sets, but figured they would likely have syringes.
ETA: But of course, yesterday was also not wilderness.
Falling out of trees is such a staple. Our last scenario was a moron who was climbing trees and fell. Open fracture right femur, broken pelvis, chest trauma, head trauma, ANO1-2 depending. It was a simulated SAR so we had full gear, but getting him extracted from tree branches, on the litter and then to the HLZ, was interesting. So glad that one was daylight, there was only 5 of us, so the litter carry was a beast.
Only 5?! Yes, that is rough. And at A+Ox2, the patient automatically fails an FSA. At least in my practice case, the patient was always A+Ox4, no other factors, and pass the FSA. Plus a femur / pelvis, yikes! To be honest, though, IRL I far prefer trauma cases rather than sickness. On the patient side as a diabetic, I know what I need to do for diabetes-related sickness issues assuming I'm A - even at just A with hypoglycemia, I usually know what to do because it is more ingrained into me than my own name after so many decades.
Interestingly enough, I just tried going to Walgreens and apparently can't buy syringes here without a prescription. I really thought they were OTC in every state, but I guess Tennessee is backwards. So I guess I need to head up to KY next weekend for a pharmacy, maybe use it as my reason to finally go run Land Between the Lakes, which I mentioned to @AlphaHowls that I had it on my list.
Yeah, it was interesting, and, yeah, from a treatment position, I prefer treating trauma, it's more straight forward. With the pelvis and leg, it was automatic litter carry, going A&Ox2 was just the icing on the cake. We were out there a while figuring it out. Got lots of practice taking vitals. Other patient was a slight knock on the head and a stable ankle injury. We had a third patient, but it was a CPR dummy, with a tree on it, and a hand near it... Automatic triage code black. Supposed to be obviously dead
Guy who was our simulated team lead had a real hard time with us not treating the code black, but parameters of the exercise put evac too far out for us to help.
Course was crazy, but it got me interested in SAR, and now I'm a member of the County rescue squad3 -
September goal: 110 miles
9/1: 8.86 miles
9/3: 6.31 miles
9/4: 6.25 miles
9/5: 6.25 miles
9/8: 10.55 miles
9/10: 6.25 miles
9/11: 6.25 miles
9/12: 6.26 miles
9/15: 10.25 miles
9/17: 6.55 miles
9/18: 6.26 miles
9/19: 6.25 miles
9/22: 10.05 miles
96.34/110 miles completed
Today's run was tough. It was hot when I started out at 7:30 this morning at 76°F, Feels like 77°F, Humidity 79%, Dew point 69°F. And there were 10-15 mph winds. Running south was really hard. I felt so slow today. I had to remind myself that long runs should be run slower, but it just felt tough. I told myself that I could just run 8 miles and it would still be a long run, but as I got to the end of the run I just kept running my regular route and ended up with 10 miles. I did get my new shoes too, so that was good. But I am definitely looking forward to some cooler weather.
Obligatory shoe pic:Congrats to all who raced this weekend! It looks like there were lots of great PRs and AG wins and just good runs!
2019 races:
2/2/19: Catch the Groundhog Half Marathon - PR 2:15:17
5/18/19: Run for 57th AHC Half Marathon - Cancelled due to weather
10/5/19: Old Rip 5K
2020 races:
5/16/20: Run for 57th AHC Half Marathon8 -
Congrats on your races @PastorVincent @7lenny7 and @T1DCarnivoreRunner! Sounds like lots of challenges with heat and medical issues and you all made it through!
My sunset hike was a success! Barely made it to the summit just as the sun was dropping behind the mountains, but got lots of great views along the way as it was setting and right after. We did two peaks, Cascade and Porter, which are known to be the easiest of the 46 high peaks of the Adirondacks, so very popular and highly trafficked. By waiting to sunset we were able to park right at the trailhead and saw very few people on the trails, most of them coming down as we were starting up. It's 2.4 miles to the summit of Cascade, where we were at sunset, then you go back down to a fork in the trail and take another .7 mile hike to the summit of Porter. Cascade has the better views but it was full-on dark as we hiked to Porter anyway. And then when we got to that summit we laid back on the rocks and the amount of stars we could see just mind blowing. It was a pretty amazing experience. The hike back down took a really long time in the dark with just our headlamps.
Fantastic weekend overall. No running today. I'm trying not to get the Sunday night blues, but it's going to be a rough transition back to reality tomorrow on all fronts. This week is crazy busy at work and should be the highest mileage week on my training calendar for the double half marathons. One day at a time, one foot in front of the other!
A couple of pics:
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September goal: 110 miles
9/1: 8.86 miles
9/3: 6.31 miles
9/4: 6.25 miles
9/5: 6.25 miles
9/8: 10.55 miles
9/10: 6.25 miles
9/11: 6.25 miles
9/12: 6.26 miles
9/15: 10.25 miles
9/17: 6.55 miles
9/18: 6.26 miles
9/19: 6.25 miles
9/22: 10.05 miles
96.34/110 miles completed
Today's run was tough. It was hot when I started out at 7:30 this morning at 76°F, Feels like 77°F, Humidity 79%, Dew point 69°F. And there were 10-15 mph winds. Running south was really hard. I felt so slow today. I had to remind myself that long runs should be run slower, but it just felt tough. I told myself that I could just run 8 miles and it would still be a long run, but as I got to the end of the run I just kept running my regular route and ended up with 10 miles. I did get my new shoes too, so that was good. But I am definitely looking forward to some cooler weather.
Obligatory shoe pic:Congrats to all who raced this weekend! It looks like there were lots of great PRs and AG wins and just good runs!
2019 races:
2/2/19: Catch the Groundhog Half Marathon - PR 2:15:17
5/18/19: Run for 57th AHC Half Marathon - Cancelled due to weather
10/5/19: Old Rip 5K
2020 races:
5/16/20: Run for 57th AHC Half Marathon
We are shoe twins! I have the blue ISO Ride as well. How do you like them? I found they had a much better heel fit than my ASICS did.
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@katharmonic great pics! Glad you got your hike in! That would have been a shame to miss!
Well done @Avidkeo!2 -
MNLittleFinn wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »@T1DCarnivoreRunner wow, sounds like you had quite a bit stacked against you. you did an awesome job getting through it, and managing your insulin/glucose issues.
side note, I do some medical at races, trail races in particular, would having some u-100 syringes in my bag be worth something worth having, on the off chance I have a runner who experiences a similar issue?
@MNLittleFinn I have a WFR as well, but don't normally sign up as an official volunteer (not that I wouldn't, I just don't know of anything around here where they need me). There may be an advantage to having a syringe, but I'm not suggesting carrying one for long distances when weighing the odds of needing it vs. the benefit. My med kit for trail running is pretty small. When planning to go slower, I'll carry more, but I go light when trying to run trails.
The syringe they gave me was not actually intended for insulin, but was a 1CC syringe with markings for 100 mcg within that 1 CC. So the markings were perfectly worked out. At one of the places I asked where they didn't have a syringe at all, they said they didn't have insulin. Obviously they wouldn't... I explained I didn't need the insulin, I had some in my pump reservoir and just couldn't get to it at the moment because the infusion set had fallen out. But I also understand why they would not carry an insulin syringe when they don't carry insulin.
As you know, a syringe can be used for other purposes besides just injecting insulin. This is why I think it would be valuable to have a couple of them at a fixed aid station (not carrying 100 miles...) with a couple different markings, perhaps. For example, if someone has only 1 epi-pen and starts needing a 2nd (but already used the only 1 they brought), the auto-jectors don't use up all of the epinephrine. If you act very quickly, you may be able to cut the reservoir out of the auto-jector and pull the remaining medicine out with a syringe. Of course, hopefully you had the patient chew up and swallow benadryl when they could a few min. ago, but that is a different conversation.
There are likely other examples, but I'm not sure the benefits are worth carrying one for a long distance. It is a good idea to have in a fixed medical station, though, like if you are taking a whole big pack or even if they drive a plastic tub of medical supplies, water cooler, etc. out on an ATV to setup an aid station... definitely it is worthwhile to throw a couple syringes in that medical tub.
Personally, I think I'm going to add a syringe to what I carry for longer runs and marathons.
I might get some, just in case. Before I had WFR, when I was WFA, we learned about how to get the extra epi out of the pens. Not part of normal curriculum, but you know.... Benadryl is part of my normal carry bag. Extra epi is high on my priority due to the bee sting incident at my last race, where the runner didn't respond to his first dose. Other runners had found him with his autoinjector right next to him.
When I'm working medical, my truck is normally within like 100m. I have a full trauma kit in there, and a quick go kit in case I need to go out on trail. I'm always looking for more ideas and more training, can't get enough.
I also had WFA before WFR. And when it comes to "wilderness," nothing is normal. When we did training missions for WFR, we were allowed our typical hiking pack and no medical supplies (except gloves). One one of the night missions, the patient I found had a sucking chest (left anterior trunk) wound and fractured tibia. In this case, the story, make-up, layout, etc. was that the patient had been running from wild hogs (this was in AR in a park where wild hogs are everywhere, it's ridiculous), climbed a tree, but then fell out of the tree after the hogs left. The sucking chest wound was from landing on a sharp rock (only 1 opening). The fix for the sucking chest wound was a glove (could have easily used a plastic ziploc bag if I hadn't brought extra gloves) and duct tape to seal air out, then monitor the patient and manually vent every few min. as needed. For the fractured tibia, splinted with a hiking pole and clothing for padding. Of course, it had to rain that night and there were lots of spiders too, so the "E" part was a big challenge as well. But anyway, the point I'm making is that sometimes we do what we can with what we have and that is an important part of the wilderness medical training. Other times, nothing we have is going to do the job. That's what I was faced with yesterday and why I asked for a syringe... I know they wouldn't carry infusion sets, but figured they would likely have syringes.
ETA: But of course, yesterday was also not wilderness.
Falling out of trees is such a staple. Our last scenario was a moron who was climbing trees and fell. Open fracture right femur, broken pelvis, chest trauma, head trauma, ANO1-2 depending. It was a simulated SAR so we had full gear, but getting him extracted from tree branches, on the litter and then to the HLZ, was interesting. So glad that one was daylight, there was only 5 of us, so the litter carry was a beast.
Only 5?! Yes, that is rough. And at A+Ox2, the patient automatically fails an FSA. At least in my practice case, the patient was always A+Ox4, no other factors, and pass the FSA. Plus a femur / pelvis, yikes! To be honest, though, IRL I far prefer trauma cases rather than sickness. On the patient side as a diabetic, I know what I need to do for diabetes-related sickness issues assuming I'm A - even at just A with hypoglycemia, I usually know what to do because it is more ingrained into me than my own name after so many decades.
Interestingly enough, I just tried going to Walgreens and apparently can't buy syringes here without a prescription. I really thought they were OTC in every state, but I guess Tennessee is backwards. So I guess I need to head up to KY next weekend for a pharmacy, maybe use it as my reason to finally go run Land Between the Lakes, which I mentioned to @AlphaHowls that I had it on my list.
Yeah, it was interesting, and, yeah, from a treatment position, I prefer treating trauma, it's more straight forward. With the pelvis and leg, it was automatic litter carry, going A&Ox2 was just the icing on the cake. We were out there a while figuring it out. Got lots of practice taking vitals. Other patient was a slight knock on the head and a stable ankle injury. We had a third patient, but it was a CPR dummy, with a tree on it, and a hand near it... Automatic triage code black. Supposed to be obviously dead
Guy who was our simulated team lead had a real hard time with us not treating the code black, but parameters of the exercise put evac too far out for us to help.
Course was crazy, but it got me interested in SAR, and now I'm a member of the County rescue squad
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@emmamcgarity I've never worn Asics, but I really like the Sauconys. I do wish they lasted longer, but they fit well and are comfortable.1
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Yesterday I ran 3.47 miles around my home lake. It wasn’t an easy run - my endurance was low after a couple of weeks without running, being sick, and still smoking - but it was a good one. And since nothing hurt yesterday or this morning, and the weather today was absolutely wonderful for running after a week of muggy heat, today I ran around that dang lake again! A couple of hours later and nothing’s hurting especially much, so thank goodness for that!
I’m a few pages behind on the thread, but congratulations to everyone who raced this weekend! As for the question about big races vs. small, I’ve generally enjoyed the large-ish races I’ve done as well as the small-ish ones. So far I haven’t run anything I’d consider poorly organized on either end of the size spectrum, although I found early on that I enjoy the slightly more serious atmosphere of 10K and longer races over more casual 5Ks with lots of walkers. I'm too slow these days and there are too many serious runners in their mid-to-late 30s for me to have ever come close to an AG placement, but I figure that's just something to aspire to in the future.
This will be the first year that I run in the Twin Cities Marathon weekend 10 Miler, which will be my largest race so far, I know that I loved the festival atmosphere of the Saturday 10K last year and really enjoyed volunteering for the Sunday 10 Mile/Marathon bag pickup. I am lucky in that my husband enjoys serving as my own personal chauffeur and bag check, which makes the logistical side much easier than if I were on my own.
With so many sick days this week I didn't meet any of my weekly goals, but being able to get a couple of reasonably pain-free runs in today and yesterday makes this week a win for sure.
September Total: 26.95 miles
September Goals: Run 50 miles, lift minimum 2x/week, 15 minutes/day of moderate cardio, 15 minutes/day of mobility.
2019 Races! (bold registered)
January 26: Securian 10K, St. Paul, MN Chip time: 1:05:07
February 16: Half Fast 10K DNS - weather
March 23: Hot Dash 5K, Mpls, MN Chip time: 0:28:39 (*PR!)
May 19: Women Run the Cities 5K, Mpls, MN Chip time: 0:33:02
June 8: PHRC Pensieve 10K (virtual)
June 12: ESTRS French 5K, Plymouth, MN DNS - injury
June 29 Lift Bridge 5K, Bayport MN Chip time: 0:32:51
August 3: Beat the Blerch 10K, Carnation, WA
September 2: MDRA Victory Labor Day 5K, Mpls, MN Chip time: 0:33:04
September 8: Sioux Falls Half Marathon, Sioux Falls, SD Chip time: 2:47:13 (in memory of @MobyCarp)
October 5: TCM 10K, St. Paul, MN
October 6: TCM 10Mi, Minneapolis to St. Paul, MN
October 13: Loopet Loppet (5 mile pacer)
November 28: Turkey Trot St. Paul 10K, St. Paul, MN
December 14: Reindeer Run 10K, Mpls, MN8 -
5.51 miles tonight after dark, felt good.
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Anyone else seeing lots of space inserted above posts lately? Or is it just me? Looks like half of us (my posts sometimes, too) hit the enter key a bunch of times before starting to type.
Something was wrong with my bike, and I discovered it as I was rushing out the driveway to get one of the kids to school. So I ditched the bike (& plans to ride to the track), and did my 3x1600@HMpace workout on the road & trail instead. My hubby fixed the bike, and now I'm all comfy under a quilt that I'm repairing
September goal 100 miles
Upcoming races:
Oct. 19 - CityTrail trail 5k (#1 of 6 in the series)
Oct. 26 - Botanical Autumn 5k
Oct. 27 - Lublin Half Marathon4 -
September MTD 41.9/Goal 40😀6
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@polskagirl01 I've noticed the spacing issues too.
Rest day for me. That's why I woke up half an hour early, I'm sure.4
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