February 2020 Monthly Running Challenge
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@TheMrWobbly what are these jelly belly you speak of?
Today was a gentle 4k followed by a strength session. I had a little niggle in my ankle tendon at the beginning of my run that cleared up by the end. Different shoes. Will see how the day goes and the next two runs, but I think I'll be retiring those shoes. I was having niggles at work too. Granted was on my feet all day yesterday but I shouldn't be getting niggles.
Planning on a long run tomorrow. Looking forward to it, and a 3 day weekend!!
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Feb - goal 150k
Feb 1 - 7.2k
Feb 2 - 5k
Feb 3 - 7k
Feb 4 - 4k
Feb 5 - 5.4k
Feb 6 - 9k
Feb 7 - 3k
Feb 8 - 7k
Feb 9 - 4.2k
Feb 10 - 8k
Feb 11 - 4k
Feb 12 - 6.2k
Feb 13 - 4k
Total: 74k
Run streak - 55 days
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@LoveyChar Oh I can not wait! Even if we've seen him before! Thankfully husband and I both love him!
PS. Good luck on Sunday1 -
hamsterwheel6 wrote: »@LoveyChar Oh I can not wait! Even if we've seen him before! Thankfully husband and I both love him!
PS. Good luck on Sunday
Thank you...0 -
Well I’m very behind again!
Both kids have got the sickness! They tested negative for the flu but the dr said he thinks their tests are false negatives, which i find interesting but probably accurate. He is the professional; I am not. Plus, they’re SO SO miserable.
Today they’re both better but not quite up to school. So day two of chicken noodle soup, toast, movies about dogs, and sleeping. I think it’s really been good for all three of us.
I felt myself getting stir crazy so I stole an almost four mile run! My kids are older and I was just a couple of minutes away from home. They were comfortable and they know all the safety rules etc. it was just for a little bit.
I ran in the ASICS and was nervous about starting at all because i still have twinges of pain in my hip and some muscle in my quad. But not my ankle!!!! I noticed my left leg was very stiff in the ASICS and felt the beginnings of shin splints, so I may just give up on shoes altogether or go back to the Mizunos. I’m going to give the ASICS one more run tomorrow evening and i will decide then.
It was actually a great run aside from the crappy parts! I followed the trainer plan and i didn’t stop to walk for one second more than the plan told me to! Fourty minutes of running with only four minutes of walking!
It felt so wonderful to see and feel that i AM improving and I CAN do this! I am very very pleased with today and I can feel my motivation returning!
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Thanks for all the advice guys. The plan had the tempo runs in which is why I looked into it. I have no interest in speed, just finishing so I will take your advice and just keep on putting in the miles. Not to mention my first attempt tonight was a complete bust and I went way too quickly.
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Finally caught up in the thread. I’ve been reading and liking the posts but haven’t had the chance to comment much. I very much enjoyed the race reports and found the fueling conversations interesting.
On fueling - I’ve only maxed my long run at 7 miles and haven’t much experience there. But a friend from Parkrun who consistently runs longer distances shared with me that for most of her training runs she keeps her water bottles filled with a 50/50 mix of lemonade and water. I’m not sure what else she uses for fuel, but I remember thinking that I’d much prefer lemonade to Gatorade. I’m just not a huge Gatorade fan. Once I start running longer I plan to experiment with jelly beans and/or fig cookies just because they sound interesting. I’m fairly picky about flavors and textures and can’t imagine liking gus based on the descriptions I’ve read. I generally eat a banana or granola bar 20 minutes before I run mainly because I don’t like being hungry... ever. I’ve run while hungry and was completely distracted the whole time. All I could think about was “when will I be done with this stupid run, I’m soooo hungry”. I couldn’t focus on what a conversational pace was or even anything anyone around me said. I just kept trying to figure out how to get it over with. I get really grouchy when hungry.
On speed - in myFall running clinic we only had speedwork once per week on the schedule. What we did varied but here are some examples... We did track runs with running fast for once around the track then walk for one minute before repeating a fast lap. The following week the same but extra laps. Our first tempo run as they called it was at “goal pace” for 10 minutes after a 10 warm up at conversational and followed by a 10 cool down at conversational. The next week the tempo run was 12 or 15 minutes instead of 10. We eventually built up to a 20 minute tempo. When we did strides, we ran fast for 1:30 minutes then walked briskly for 30 seconds (I think we did 6-8 strides like this around the 3 mile loop running as a group. All other training runs were to be at conversational pace. We only did speedwork in class and the emphasis was on building mileage for training.5 -
Now I'm over here laughingTheMrWobbly wrote: »And henceforth you shall be known as BigDawg!
As to your pace/tempo question, @PastorVincent is right. I also didn't do any speedwork or tempo runs for my first marathon (followed Hal Higdon's beginner plan and advice), then started doing speedwork (fartleks and interval stuff) but gave up on it when the training for my second marathon got tough. Completion was the goal, and the training plan as it was, was hard enough without adding speedwork.
Also, those online pace calculators for me were/are overly optimistic, and more so the longer the race distance. So "race pace" was a mystery to me as well at first, and I also had only one speed for a long time. After I recovered from my first marathon, and cut back on the mileage, I was able to start playing around with speedwork and slowly acquired other paces 5 -
PastorVincent wrote: »@autumnblade75 Yeah, I really think it sounds like you would be better off replacing your drink with a product like TailWind or SkratchLabs Sport Hydration Drink Mix.
I'd been talking about Gatorade. As a replacement for water. It ticks all the boxes - hydration, electrolytes and fuel. This sounded like "But Not Gatorade, Ew."PastorVincent wrote: »autumnblade75 wrote: »So, aside from hydration, electrolytes (salt) and fuel (sugar) what exactly am I failing to understand that I should be demanding from my sports drink? Yeah, caffeine would be nice, but it's not like I can't get that as a stand-alone either.
So I currently use Scaps (salt pills) + Propel (a Gatorade product) + gummies, so I might not be the person to answer this.
TailWind, Skratch, are just premixed and correctly done, easy street. I plan to try Skratch though the less thinking I do while I run the better.
Gatorade is also premixed and would let me to less thinking while I run, but if I was reading you correctly, is inferior to TailWind or SkratchLabs Sport Hydration Drink Mix? Because they do something unspecified somehow better than Gatorade? I'm still considering mixing my own salty Kool-Aid here, because I can then control how much sugar per hydration. Personalization, right? And definitely keeping the costs down.rheddmobile wrote: »@autumnblade75 The cadence advice commonly given to runners doesn’t remain valid at slower speeds. 12+ minute pace at 170 cadence is hard because it’s not meant to be that way! Run at a natural cadence and don’t overstride and it will sort itself out. I swear I’ve seen more women who have read some dumb cadence article on the internet saying to aim for 180 - one poor soul looked like she was prancing in place pretending to be a pony. You don’t need to artificially increase your cadence.
I didn't address this before because it made me irrationally angry. If I didn't recognize that a cadence of 170 was going to be too much for such a slow run, I wouldn't have had to go to such lengths to avoid All My Favorite Parts of Running to attempt to test this Go Slower thing everyone keeps telling me about. When I'm faster, I have a 180 bpm playlist. It's too fast right now. I Don't have a 160 bpm playlist. I don't like to go that slow, and it hadn't been necessary since 2012 when I increased cadence gradually until my hips stopped hurting. I thought I knew something about cadence.
It's day 3 of the insomnia. I tried for a nap for 3 hours, and I feel worse than before. I am angry and angsty and would like to go for a run. It is a rest day and it would be good for me to Not Run. I'm trying to research replenishment, and all the articles seem to indicate that no-calorie beverages are ideal for fueling, which I know cannot be correct. Hydration and electrolyte replenishment, fine. But what's the taboo against drinking calories intentionally for fueling?3 -
@TheMrWobbly what are these jelly belly you speak of?
Today was a gentle 4k followed by a strength session. I had a little niggle in my ankle tendon at the beginning of my run that cleared up by the end. Different shoes. Will see how the day goes and the next two runs, but I think I'll be retiring those shoes. I was having niggles at work too. Granted was on my feet all day yesterday but I shouldn't be getting niggles.
Planning on a long run tomorrow. Looking forward to it, and a 3 day weekend!!
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Feb - goal 150k
Feb 1 - 7.2k
Feb 2 - 5k
Feb 3 - 7k
Feb 4 - 4k
Feb 5 - 5.4k
Feb 6 - 9k
Feb 7 - 3k
Feb 8 - 7k
Feb 9 - 4.2k
Feb 10 - 8k
Feb 11 - 4k
Feb 12 - 6.2k
Feb 13 - 4k
Total: 74k
Run streak - 55 days
these are the best jelly beans
Ohhhh the brand bahaha. Yeah we get those, but I prefer the NZ made stuff, it's less waxy? I find those jelly belly ones leave a film in my mouth.
However I do like the various flavours they have!1 -
ContraryMaryMary wrote: »So, following @PastorVincent’s lead, I’ve recruited a running coach. I’m hoping for big things (a full set of new PBs, to be precise).
Woooo that's exciting! BTW I'm up your way on Tuesday, in town for Elton John! Staying in Newmarket.
Oh. Awesome. Elton John is an amazing performer. Also, if you want to run in the Domain on Tuesday sometime, let me know.
And yes, Jelly Belly. Best jelly beans available. Should be in your local supermarket and dairy. They're much smaller than Pascals jelly beans but have a stronger flavour and so many more flavours. Go buy some now.1 -
@TheMrWobbly - my coach's philosopy in training is one hard run a week, one long run, and the rest short and easy. The hard run in speedwork varies in intervals - short, long, hills etc. but the goal is always EFFORT rather than speed. So whatever the time interval is, run as hard as you think you can maintain for that interval. If it's a 1 minute interval you will run pretty hard because it's only 1 minute, vs. if it's a 5 minute interval you need to cut back to last the whole time. There's no magic pace or HR, it's just perceived effort, and if it feels like you are on the edge of whether you can complete the interval or not, that's the right pace. If you can't complete, slow down. If you have something left, speed up.7
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@Camaramandy648 Glad your kids are starting to feel better. I hope they get back to normal soon!
Today I played doubles tennis for 1.5 hours. Now that I have been running, I don't feel like this gives me much cardio, but I enjoy it and it's a great XT activity.4 -
Date :::: Miles :::: Cumulative
02/01/20 :::: 7.8 :::: 7.8
02/02/20 :::: 3.1 :::: 10.9
02/03/20 :::: 3.8 :::: 14.7
02/04/20 :::: 2.0 :::: 16.7
02/05/20 :::: 2.2 :::: 19.0
02/06/20 :::: 1.4 :::: 20.4
02/07/20 :::: 7.0 :::: 27.4
02/08/20 :::: 1.6 :::: 29.1
02/09/20 :::: 2.1 :::: 31.2
02/10/20 :::: 3.2 :::: 34.3
02/11/20 :::: 3.4 :::: 37.7
02/12/20 :::: 2.4 :::: 40.1
Another first thing in the morning workout. It was a repeat of yesterday but in the opposite order - treadmill run and then mace workout. On the NordicTrak treadmill I chose to do an interval run workout which was based in Hawaii. It was pretty scenery but I had to concentrate on the short interval speed changes. This was the first time I've done a workout on there from start to finish letting it set the speed for me the whole time. It was a lot more and shorter intervals than I'm used to doing. I think it was 30 second each and it ended up looking like this for pace:
After that I did the 15 minute mace workout again. This was the third of 3 times this week and we'll get another one for next week as part of this "study" I'm participating in. Doing it two days in a row was tough. My shoulders and quads were definitely sore.5 -
autumnblade75 wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »@autumnblade75 Yeah, I really think it sounds like you would be better off replacing your drink with a product like TailWind or SkratchLabs Sport Hydration Drink Mix.
I'd been talking about Gatorade. As a replacement for water. It ticks all the boxes - hydration, electrolytes and fuel. This sounded like "But Not Gatorade, Ew."PastorVincent wrote: »autumnblade75 wrote: »So, aside from hydration, electrolytes (salt) and fuel (sugar) what exactly am I failing to understand that I should be demanding from my sports drink? Yeah, caffeine would be nice, but it's not like I can't get that as a stand-alone either.
So I currently use Scaps (salt pills) + Propel (a Gatorade product) + gummies, so I might not be the person to answer this.
TailWind, Skratch, are just premixed and correctly done, easy street. I plan to try Skratch though the less thinking I do while I run the better.
Gatorade is also premixed and would let me to less thinking while I run, but if I was reading you correctly, is inferior to TailWind or SkratchLabs Sport Hydration Drink Mix? Because they do something unspecified somehow better than Gatorade? I'm still considering mixing my own salty Kool-Aid here, because I can then control how much sugar per hydration. Personalization, right? And definitely keeping the costs down.rheddmobile wrote: »@autumnblade75 The cadence advice commonly given to runners doesn’t remain valid at slower speeds. 12+ minute pace at 170 cadence is hard because it’s not meant to be that way! Run at a natural cadence and don’t overstride and it will sort itself out. I swear I’ve seen more women who have read some dumb cadence article on the internet saying to aim for 180 - one poor soul looked like she was prancing in place pretending to be a pony. You don’t need to artificially increase your cadence.
I didn't address this before because it made me irrationally angry. If I didn't recognize that a cadence of 170 was going to be too much for such a slow run, I wouldn't have had to go to such lengths to avoid All My Favorite Parts of Running to attempt to test this Go Slower thing everyone keeps telling me about. When I'm faster, I have a 180 bpm playlist. It's too fast right now. I Don't have a 160 bpm playlist. I don't like to go that slow, and it hadn't been necessary since 2012 when I increased cadence gradually until my hips stopped hurting. I thought I knew something about cadence.
It's day 3 of the insomnia. I tried for a nap for 3 hours, and I feel worse than before. I am angry and angsty and would like to go for a run. It is a rest day and it would be good for me to Not Run. I'm trying to research replenishment, and all the articles seem to indicate that no-calorie beverages are ideal for fueling, which I know cannot be correct. Hydration and electrolyte replenishment, fine. But what's the taboo against drinking calories intentionally for fueling?
Shoot, I’m sorry, I assumed you were trying to increase your cadence to 170!
I never use music when running outside, for safety reasons and also because I like natural sounds, so trying to sync a playlist isn’t something I have experience with.3 -
ContraryMaryMary wrote: »ContraryMaryMary wrote: »So, following @PastorVincent’s lead, I’ve recruited a running coach. I’m hoping for big things (a full set of new PBs, to be precise).
Woooo that's exciting! BTW I'm up your way on Tuesday, in town for Elton John! Staying in Newmarket.
Oh. Awesome. Elton John is an amazing performer. Also, if you want to run in the Domain on Tuesday sometime, let me know.
And yes, Jelly Belly. Best jelly beans available. Should be in your local supermarket and dairy. They're much smaller than Pascals jelly beans but have a stronger flavour and so many more flavours. Go buy some now.
Yeah I got to see him in New Plymouth about 12 years ago. I can't wait! Def keen for a run, but probably going to be in the middle of your school run, aiming to be out around 8am I think. We are literally just up for the night then traveling home the next day.0 -
ContraryMaryMary wrote: »ContraryMaryMary wrote: »So, following @PastorVincent’s lead, I’ve recruited a running coach. I’m hoping for big things (a full set of new PBs, to be precise).
Woooo that's exciting! BTW I'm up your way on Tuesday, in town for Elton John! Staying in Newmarket.
Oh. Awesome. Elton John is an amazing performer. Also, if you want to run in the Domain on Tuesday sometime, let me know.
And yes, Jelly Belly. Best jelly beans available. Should be in your local supermarket and dairy. They're much smaller than Pascals jelly beans but have a stronger flavour and so many more flavours. Go buy some now.
Yeah I got to see him in New Plymouth about 12 years ago. I can't wait! Def keen for a run, but probably going to be in the middle of your school run, aiming to be out around 8am I think. We are literally just up for the night then traveling home the next day.
Shame. Next time!1 -
@Autumnblade75 - Gatorade has something like 1/3rd of the electrolytes, 1/2 the carbs, and so on. TailWind, Skratch Labs, and the like are all designed for the endurance sports and are more properly proportioned for it and have a wider spread of electrolytes than just sodium and none of the dyes and etc that Gatorade adds purely to make their product look good.
Gatorade is not at all in the same category as the other things we have been talking about. It did START this whole industry, but it is not the best choice anymore. The industry has gotten smarter, while Gatorade went more into the mainstream drink market and away from sports nutrition despite the marketing.
As someone up-thread said, races are even beginning to phase Gatorade out now for Nunn.
It is up to you, we are just giving you advice that we all learned from our personal experience of going through what you are. If you want to stick with Gatorade, go forth and drink. If you want something that might work better then there are other options that is all we are saying.
Your call, drink what you think works for you 3 -
ContraryMaryMary wrote: »ContraryMaryMary wrote: »ContraryMaryMary wrote: »So, following @PastorVincent’s lead, I’ve recruited a running coach. I’m hoping for big things (a full set of new PBs, to be precise).
Woooo that's exciting! BTW I'm up your way on Tuesday, in town for Elton John! Staying in Newmarket.
Oh. Awesome. Elton John is an amazing performer. Also, if you want to run in the Domain on Tuesday sometime, let me know.
And yes, Jelly Belly. Best jelly beans available. Should be in your local supermarket and dairy. They're much smaller than Pascals jelly beans but have a stronger flavour and so many more flavours. Go buy some now.
Yeah I got to see him in New Plymouth about 12 years ago. I can't wait! Def keen for a run, but probably going to be in the middle of your school run, aiming to be out around 8am I think. We are literally just up for the night then traveling home the next day.
Shame. Next time!
One day! Maybe you can come to New Plymouth for the Half Marathon in July! Or the off road half next jan, it was really popular.
I have tomorrow off wooo hooo. Kids are in school so I'm going for a long run. 12k is the plan. My hydration vest is ready, jelly beans sorted, all running gear laid out, sunblock found (sounds weird saying that while you are all in snow and cold lol).
I can't wait! I did 9k a couple of weeks ago so time to stretch it out. 10k minimum.5 -
A comment on cadence and music playlists. If you use Spotify there are running playlists for all different cadences. Granted you have to like the music on the playlist but you can save them and take out what you don't care for and make it your own. Just do a search on 'Running'3
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When you said "in town for Elton John" @Avidkeo it sounded like you were popping round for tea. Say hello to Reg for me if you are.
I'm with you on the slow pace @autumnblade75 and my 'easy pace' on the plan is a 12 minute mile which is my morning walking speed. I with stick with my 10+ minute miles and keep increasing the mileage once a week and some steady runs the other three days.
It's a bit dreich out there this morning! ☔
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