Coronavirus prep
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This week we had a 20 yr old man caught licking an escalator rail and packets of groceries at a city supermarket I go to. He got charged and said he didn't think it's such a bad thing. Yeah right.9
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Genuine questions.
How do people eat/drink in a restaruant if they have to wear masks??
Mask wearing hasnt been a big thing in Australia - people can choose to wear them if they want of course and a few do - but most people are not and we are not being encouraged, let alone mandated, to do so.
Question 2 - are the easing of restrictions in US being done as a result of numbers dropping enough to be considered safe to do so? - or are they just being eased because authorities think they have been there for long enough./ people wont adhere anyway/ , the economy needs them to reduce??
yes i know US is a big place and different locations might be doing things differently - but answer for your specific location or area as a whole.
Restrictions are being gradually eased here in South Australia - and that is in response to massive drop in COVID numbers
Our restrictions weren't as tight in first place as many other places - but in comparison to what still seems high numbers in US, we are only now re opening outdoor playgrounds, - gyms/restaraunts are still closed (open for takeaway only) and gatherings are still restricted to 10 people.
This with a state of 5 remaining active cases in whole state (all in home or hospital quarantine, of course) and zero new cases for nearly 2 weeks.
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State borders are still closed except for essential travellers/returnees who have to self isolate for 14 days.
In superrvised hotel accomodation, in case of overseas returnees.
I think it is very safe for us to move forward, although we are still doing it very gradually.
My state has no timeline yet for reopening, because we don't have an established downward trend yet. So we can't even say if things continue on this trajectory, we could reopen in two weeks. Oddly, we're also one of the few states that hasn't definitively called off school for the rest of the year, even though in the best case scenario (start the downward trend tomorrow), we'd have a max of three weeks and a half weeks of in-school learning.
As someone else said, customers wouldn't wear masks in reopened dine-in restaurants, just employees. Generally (obviously rules vary from place to place) restaurants would be required to reduce seating to maintain at least six feet between tables, plexiglass barriers are going up between tables, reusable menus are being replaced with paper menus or apps for customers to order on their phones, condiments will be single-serve, possibly tableware will be disposable ... *ETA: also have seen restrictions on the number of people in a party (varying in different jurisdictions from four to 10) and prohibitions on dining out with people who aren't from the same household.
I've read and seen interviews with a number of restauranteurs in different cities saying they're going to continue to rely largely or entirely on carryout and delivery. Some of the more innovative ones in my area are offering groceries (fresh produce, dairy, eggs, baking ingredients, every meat and poultry), nonedible household staples (TP!), meal kits, etc., as well as their regular menus (or reduced menus, either to focus on dishes that suffer least from delays in serving or to reduce kitchen staff -- I'm thinking part of that may be that in a normal dine-in restaurant kitchen, people are working cheek-by-jowl at a variety of stations, and the only way to maintain social distance in the kitchen is to eliminate certain stations, and hence eliminate any dishes that require that cooking technique).
Thank you. Interesting how it will work.
Here in Aus, takeaway/delivery only has been allowed and that has not yet changed anywhere.
Northern Territory have definite date of May 18th, I think, for re opening of restaraunts and pubs but nowhere else has yet
In SA, where rules were not so strict, one could buy a meal or a coffee and then sit on a park bench in a group of 2 people or 1.7 m from anyone not in your household.
Doing so has in fact become highlight of my weekends.
But in other states you could not sit on park benches other than to briefly rest whilst excercising.2 -
Wearing a mask is the law in IL.
Only if you can't maintain 6 ft. social distancing in public.
From the article:
As of May 1, all Illinois residents over age 2 must wear a face mask when they can’t maintain a 6-foot social distance in public. Studies show that the coronavirus can spread between people interacting in close proximity, including people who are not showing symptoms.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-cb-coronavirus-face-masks-20200430-byjd67uhevdtnomqh3rokcgv7u-story.html3 -
WV has started opening back up, but my husband said our 3 counties (Eastern Panhandle) are still locked down since we are considered a hot spot for the state (proximity to DC plus large commuter population).0
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I went to the gym today in AR! Gyms are allowed to open up with restrictions.
It was dead y'all. I had like 1/4 of the gym to myself, way more than 12' in any direction. It was amazingly good for my mental state.16 -
ExistingFish wrote: »I went to the gym today in AR! Gyms are allowed to open up with restrictions.
It was dead y'all. I had like 1/4 of the gym to myself, way more than 12' in any direction. It was amazingly good for my mental state.
I'm not going 100 feet near a gym until I'm 100% convinced that it's not being spread by outdated ventilation systems. If hospitals are unable to control it, there's no way the local gym or restaurants have the ability to control the spread.
Just read something yesterday how the current mutated strain is way more contageous than what hit WA state early on and that's the one that hit NYC (and is more prevalent now). Seems scientists can't agree how easily this is spread. I'm imagining that's why we have Meat Plant workers quitting their jobs despite the fact there are no jobs. To me, that really says something.
I understand you needing to go to the gym for your sanity. I think it's the worrier in me. I'd go to the gym and be paranoid as anything, more fearful about bringing it home and infecting my wife or daughter than myself.
This one is the one that I think has scientists worried more than anything. I've also read some ASHRAE (American Society of Heating, Refrigeration and Air Conditioning) articles on how woefully inadequate our current ventilation systems are to combat this.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0764_article11 -
Of course in IL liquor and recreational marijuana retailers have been deemed essential and open through all of this.1
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »Of course in IL liquor and recreational marijuana retailers have been deemed essential and open through all of this.
I think liquor has been deemed essential in every state with closures. I know it was the case here in MN as well.5 -
paperpudding wrote: »Genuine questions.
How do people eat/drink in a restaruant if they have to wear masks??
Mask wearing hasnt been a big thing in Australia - people can choose to wear them if they want of course and a few do - but most people are not and we are not being encouraged, let alone mandated, to do so.
Question 2 - are the easing of restrictions in US being done as a result of numbers dropping enough to be considered safe to do so? - or are they just being eased because authorities think they have been there for long enough./ people wont adhere anyway/ , the economy needs them to reduce??
yes i know US is a big place and different locations might be doing things differently - but answer for your specific location or area as a whole.
Restrictions are being gradually eased here in South Australia - and that is in response to massive drop in COVID numbers
Our restrictions weren't as tight in first place as many other places - but in comparison to what still seems high numbers in US, we are only now re opening outdoor playgrounds, - gyms/restaraunts are still closed (open for takeaway only) and gatherings are still restricted to 10 people.
This with a state of 5 remaining active cases in whole state (all in home or hospital quarantine, of course) and zero new cases for nearly 2 weeks.
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State borders are still closed except for essential travellers/returnees who have to self isolate for 14 days.
In superrvised hotel accomodation, in case of overseas returnees.
I think it is very safe for us to move forward, although we are still doing it very gradually.
Something to keep in perspective. The US vs Australia land size vs population. The US is roughly 20% larger but the total population of the US is many multiple times more. California’s population alone, is more than all of Australia, by multiple millions. We know that the spread has been quicker in areas with greater populations. Areas where people are in close proximity to each other. IE: large cities, prisons, meat processing plants, nursing homes, where the pre-existing health issues of elderly residents, make them particularly, vulnerable to dying from the virus.
In my state, Minnesota, the number of cases is still increasing, with the largest number of cases in the biggest county, which includes the state’s largest city, and a fairly rural county, that has a meat processing plant, that had a huge outbreak amongst its’ employees.
Our governor is being cautious and taking advice from medical experts. I happen to think he’s doing an excellent job so far.
It’s sad that some are making this a political issue. The effect on the economy is devastating, and will get worse, but, bottom line, people’s lives are more important. People are a very important asset to the economy.
Until there’s a vaccine, we need to err on the side of caution, for reopening businesses.
The CBS Sunday Morning News, had a piece on the polio epidemic, last Sunday. Jonas Salk was a true hero for his work in developing a vaccine for polio. When asked if he would patent it, he replied, ‘can you patent the sun’?I may be too cynical, but, does anyone think that big pharma today, will be as magnanimous?13 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Of course in IL liquor and recreational marijuana retailers have been deemed essential and open through all of this.
I think liquor has been deemed essential in every state with closures. I know it was the case here in MN as well.
Pretty screwed up priorities IMO and I drink.4 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Of course in IL liquor and recreational marijuana retailers have been deemed essential and open through all of this.
I think liquor has been deemed essential in every state with closures. I know it was the case here in MN as well.
Pretty screwed up priorities IMO and I drink.
I imagine it was some combination of the concern of forcing sobriety on the alcohol-dependent, a fear of a rush on supplies and a black market, and a calculation of the tax revenue alcohol provides. It kind of makes sense to continue alcohol sales in areas where it is sold alongside food at the supermarket, but I agree that it's a little odd to classify stand-alone stores as essential (I am also a drinker).9 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Of course in IL liquor and recreational marijuana retailers have been deemed essential and open through all of this.
I'm in IL. Did you hear anything about the gyms yet? I didn't hear anything.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Of course in IL liquor and recreational marijuana retailers have been deemed essential and open through all of this.
I think liquor has been deemed essential in every state with closures. I know it was the case here in MN as well.
Pretty screwed up priorities IMO and I drink.
I imagine it was some combination of the concern of forcing sobriety on the alcohol-dependent, a fear of a rush on supplies and a black market, and a calculation of the tax revenue alcohol provides. It kind of makes sense to continue alcohol sales in areas where it is sold alongside food at the supermarket, but I agree that it's a little odd to classify stand-alone stores as essential (I am also a drinker).
Agreed, and sudden withdrawal can be dangerous depending on the severity of physical dependence. Some people can handle cold turkey, but some cannot, and current detox programs would not be able to handle the influx.10 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Of course in IL liquor and recreational marijuana retailers have been deemed essential and open through all of this.
One of the big reasons liquor stores are deemed essential is that for a severe alcoholic, detox can be deadly and require hospitalization inpatient care. Ours were initially deemed essential, and then closed as we have liquor and beer sales in grocery stores and gas stations here...it kind of backfired though IMO as you now have people making beer and liquor runs to the grocery store and not really getting any other essential food items...just getting their beer and booze and co-mingling with those that are there to buy their essential groceries and other supplies. IMO, there was no reason at all to close down liquor stores. Now you just have mass amounts of people going to the grocery store simply to get their adult beverages.11 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »*snip*
I'm not going 100 feet near a gym until I'm 100% convinced that it's not being spread by outdated ventilation systems. If hospitals are unable to control it, there's no way the local gym or restaurants have the ability to control the spread.
Just read something yesterday how the current mutated strain is way more contageous than what hit WA state early on and that's the one that hit NYC (and is more prevalent now). Seems scientists can't agree how easily this is spread. I'm imagining that's why we have Meat Plant workers quitting their jobs despite the fact there are no jobs. To me, that really says something.
I understand you needing to go to the gym for your sanity. I think it's the worrier in me. I'd go to the gym and be paranoid as anything, more fearful about bringing it home and infecting my wife or daughter than myself.
This one is the one that I think has scientists worried more than anything. I've also read some ASHRAE (American Society of Heating, Refrigeration and Air Conditioning) articles on how woefully inadequate our current ventilation systems are to combat this.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0764_article
Makes sense, I don't think this is an issue with my gym. It is a single-story building with very high ceilings, the air intakes are far over 6' above the area. Droplets pause in the air and go down, they don't go up that far. Also, our gym opens the doors regularly for fresh air flow, which reduces droplets in the air.
Given the diagrams in that article, it is apples and oranges to my gym - and honestly every gym I've been in.
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@MikePfirrman Agreed. Our rec center shower rooms are a complete dump. They're cleaned at the beginning and end of summer and that's about all she wrote. There's black mold in the corners and the same old shower curtains are used. I have a question.
There are older ones who go there with MRSA. Some of them have been battling it for years and they're on antibiotics all of the time. They go into the swimming pool and therapy pools. This part gets touchy but someone out there might know the answers. They are several of them wearing depends into the pools and yes, it concerns me. Two with longterm MRSA. They're not going to stop going into the pools and with Covid-19, I assume they're at a higher risk of contracting it, too.
I really enjoy swimming but I think I'm about through with it for the rest of this year. There are no depends police over at the pool who will tell them they can no longer do that. Any thoughts or answers would be greatly appreciated. How catchy is MRSA in the pool? There. I said it.4 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »@MikePfirrman Agreed. Our rec center shower rooms are a complete dump. They're cleaned at the beginning and end of summer and that's about all she wrote. There's black mold in the corners and the same old shower curtains are used. I have a question.
There are older ones who go there with MRSA. Some of them have been battling it for years and they're on antibiotics all of the time. They go into the swimming pool and therapy pools. This part gets touchy but someone out there might know the answers. They are several of them wearing depends into the pools and yes, it concerns me. Two with longterm MRSA. They're not going to stop going into the pools and with Covid-19, I assume they're at a higher risk of contracting it, too.
I really enjoy swimming but I think I'm about through with it for the rest of this year. There are no depends police over at the pool who will tell them they can no longer do that. Any thoughts or answers would be greatly appreciated. How catchy is MRSA in the pool? There. I said it.
I'm not sure but I had a bad case of MRSA around 10 years ago from cutting my foot on corral in Belize. Nearly ended up in the ICU over it. It's extremely hard to get rid of. And I took four or so rounds of antibiotics, which is also terrible for you! I've been tested in the last few years and no trace of it, but it's so contagious.
I believe that all indoor pools should have a UV system backing up their chlorine or they shouldn't be allowed. Just my two cents. There are many more chlorine resistant bugs popping up in indoor pools that only UV kills. I have a UV system at home in addition to my chlorine system on my pool and hot tub. But again, I'm like one step shy of Howie Mandell when it comes to germs.
The CDC believes there have been no cases of spread of MRSA in pools. I'd more worry about the other stuff.4 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »@MikePfirrman Agreed. Our rec center shower rooms are a complete dump. They're cleaned at the beginning and end of summer and that's about all she wrote. There's black mold in the corners and the same old shower curtains are used. *snip*
Ew. At my gym the showers are cleaned at LEAST once a week by a professional crew. They are cleaner than my home shower...*looks around guiltily* I mean...um, we clean ours too, but there is hair on occasion and we have kids so bath crayon on the wall, etc.4 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Of course in IL liquor and recreational marijuana retailers have been deemed essential and open through all of this.
This is ridiculous!! Liquor was restricted since the lockdown where I live. Only became available again from Monday this week. And marijuana is still illegal.0 -
The CDC believes there have been no cases of spread of MRSA in pools. I'd more worry about the other stuff.
Ooo brother. I think I'm through with the pool for now. Someone put their chewing tobacco behind one of the changing room doors last year and we counted the weeks before we finally told them how long it was there. No one is cleaning anything other than to empty the trash cans. What a mess. It does remind me of what my relatives grew up with...polio and pools, no vacs.5 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Of course in IL liquor and recreational marijuana retailers have been deemed essential and open through all of this.
I think liquor has been deemed essential in every state with closures. I know it was the case here in MN as well.
PA has state run liquor stores for wine and hard liquor. Beer and some wine is available in some (but not all) groceries and gas station mini-marts. The state stores were closed along with everything else, but have started doing drive up sales in a few places. People have been driving to W.Va and NJ to get alcohol, and I think the government was worried about the loss of revenue, plus the fact that it's illegal to transport across state lines. Supposedly, the state stores will reopen in the dozen or so counties that are partly opening this weekend.
I read an article yesterday about India opening up their liquor stores after 6 weeks and having a huge run on them when the doors opened. The crowds were immense. So the government decided to do a special 70% Covid tax on alcohol. That 's one way to cut down on the crowds.1 -
It's improbable, I know, but perhaps in this case governments remember history: Prohibition really, really didn't work out well.12
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Makes sense to me to allow alcohol sales if such are within shopping complexes that are open anyway for supermarkets and such.
( quite apart from the forcing withdrawals on dependant people health concerns - that makes sense too. )
Also ( here in Australia anyway) we have a lot of drive through bottle shops - so people stay in their car and very minimal contact with the serving attendant and none with anyone else.4 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Wearing a mask is the law in IL.
Only if you can't maintain 6 ft. social distancing in public.
From the article:
As of May 1, all Illinois residents over age 2 must wear a face mask when they can’t maintain a 6-foot social distance in public. Studies show that the coronavirus can spread between people interacting in close proximity, including people who are not showing symptoms.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-cb-coronavirus-face-masks-20200430-byjd67uhevdtnomqh3rokcgv7u-story.html
Agreed, although my Nextdoor is continual arguments between those who think you can't maintain 6 ft of distancing outside and those who do. (I think you mostly can in my neighborhood, but am starting to feel shamed if not wearing a mask. I sit by a window a lot and most people I see are wearing masks.)4 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Of course in IL liquor and recreational marijuana retailers have been deemed essential and open through all of this.
Most stuff is in reality open in IL, including now stores with curbside pickup (obviously not everything is open in-store, lots are not). Pretty sure liquor is essential throughout almost all of the US, UK, etc., and marijuana most places with legal marijuana.4 -
paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »It seems to me that you (US as a whole) are opening up far more quickly in comparison to case load than we are here.
(1) It varies a bunch by state (we aren't opening here in IL).
(2) You (AU) got more notice before having lots of cases from what I can see vs the US or Europe, so there's more pressure to open up too early here.
(3) Some states/counties in the US don't have lots of cases (and they are the ones, unlike mine, that the president likes) -- this is a problem, as he blames the ones with lots of cases as if it were our fault although that's ridiculous, but it's part of not taking responsibility and calling anyone concerned "sheeple" as some in the country seem to be doing.
Yes it varies by state here too - although not within a state. Except in an area of a specific cluster where short term orders will apply - schools in that area only closed, for example.
Yes it did help that it came here later.
Also helped that leaders of the country took it seriously and implemented orders early. Nobody thought it was a hoax by their political opponents.
Has been bipartisan support here, not political division, that has helped too.
And I think more compliance from majority of population - no protests, or organised rebellious behaviour
Would be so nice not to have it be partisan. Here part of the issue is it's worst in larger metro areas and there's a clear split politically between metro and rural areas.4 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Of course in IL liquor and recreational marijuana retailers have been deemed essential and open through all of this.
I think liquor has been deemed essential in every state with closures. I know it was the case here in MN as well.
Pretty screwed up priorities IMO and I drink.
In IL it's pretty irrelevant as grocery stores are open and delivery is largely open and liquor (of all kinds) is available both ways.1 -
. Something to keep in perspective. The US vs Australia land size vs population. The US is roughly 20% larger but the total population of the US is many multiple times more. California’s population alone, is more than all of Australia, by multiple millions. We know that the spread has been quicker in areas with greater populations. Areas where people are in close proximity to each other. IE: large cities, prisons, meat processing plants, nursing homes, where the pre-existing health issues of elderly residents, make them particularly, vulnerable to dying from the virus.
Yes I realise that.
Of course spread is more where people are in close proximity - that is the whole point of social distancing and lockdowns.
We do have people in cities, nursing homes etc here too, you know.
And land size isn't really the issue - yes, Australia has an overall low population density to land space - but not really, when you factor in that large areas of inland are extremely sparsely populated and that obviously brings the average down.
I think our success rate with coronavirus is more to do with strong early leadership, undivided by party politics, and strong compliance by vast majority of the population.8 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Of course in IL liquor and recreational marijuana retailers have been deemed essential and open through all of this.
I'm in IL. Did you hear anything about the gyms yet? I didn't hear anything.
We don't know yet. I'm doing virtual training with my trainer (mostly to support her and to motivate myself) and she is saying internally they are guessing mid June and with limits on numbers, but this is Chicago so could be different. I doubt it will be sooner, more likely in Chicago it will be later.1 -
paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »It seems to me that you (US as a whole) are opening up far more quickly in comparison to case load than we are here.
(1) It varies a bunch by state (we aren't opening here in IL).
(2) You (AU) got more notice before having lots of cases from what I can see vs the US or Europe, so there's more pressure to open up too early here.
(3) Some states/counties in the US don't have lots of cases (and they are the ones, unlike mine, that the president likes) -- this is a problem, as he blames the ones with lots of cases as if it were our fault although that's ridiculous, but it's part of not taking responsibility and calling anyone concerned "sheeple" as some in the country seem to be doing.
Yes it varies by state here too - although not within a state. Except in an area of a specific cluster where short term orders will apply - schools in that area only closed, for example.
Yes it did help that it came here later.
Also helped that leaders of the country took it seriously and implemented orders early. Nobody thought it was a hoax by their political opponents.
Has been bipartisan support here, not political division, that has helped too.
And I think more compliance from majority of population - no protests, or organised rebellious behaviour
Would be so nice not to have it be partisan. Here part of the issue is it's worst in larger metro areas and there's a clear split politically between metro and rural areas.
Yes that strikes me as one big difference - neither side here has used Covid as a poltical football, which of course helps give the public consistent messages and that in turn of course helps in compliance.
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