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gradchica27 wrote: »I’m probably spending more on groceries as well—and tipping for delivery. But I’m the other hand we are not eating out at all, no “I’ll grab something and meet you at the soccer game” for my husband, no weekly donut trip or pizza delivery, etc. not to mention no cruising the Target clearance racks when I’m thee to pick up one or two things...
Maybe a positive from all thos is the bad habits we were forced to drop. Maybe that can be our new normal even after COVID19 has passed.6 -
There are a couple of trail races being held this month - both appear that they will be pretty small and likely we runners won't be near each other most of the time anyway. I'm a bit nervous, but thinking I might sign up. I have about a 10 days to decide before registration closes on one of them. I suppose I'll wear a mask and use hand sanitizer/ be careful as I travel and run. The thing I'm more concerned about is returning to work. I don't know yet when I will have to go back in person rather than working from home. But I know whenever I do go back, they will have screening processes in place with questions (including about travel), so I don't know if that will be a problem. Also, I don't want to end up getting sick obviously... I'm conflicted because I want to start racing again, but I know there is extra risk involved.5
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »There are a couple of trail races being held this month - both appear that they will be pretty small and likely we runners won't be near each other most of the time anyway. I'm a bit nervous, but thinking I might sign up. I have about a 10 days to decide before registration closes on one of them. I suppose I'll wear a mask and use hand sanitizer/ be careful as I travel and run. The thing I'm more concerned about is returning to work. I don't know yet when I will have to go back in person rather than working from home. But I know whenever I do go back, they will have screening processes in place with questions (including about travel), so I don't know if that will be a problem. Also, I don't want to end up getting sick obviously... I'm conflicted because I want to start racing again, but I know there is extra risk involved.
There are places doing virtual races (not quite as fun, but still something to train for). Would signing up for those help?
I have a friend who qualified and registered for the Boston Marathon that was supposed to be held last month. It's been pushed to September for now. Lots of races pushing the date or postponing.
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JustSomeEm wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »There are a couple of trail races being held this month - both appear that they will be pretty small and likely we runners won't be near each other most of the time anyway. I'm a bit nervous, but thinking I might sign up. I have about a 10 days to decide before registration closes on one of them. I suppose I'll wear a mask and use hand sanitizer/ be careful as I travel and run. The thing I'm more concerned about is returning to work. I don't know yet when I will have to go back in person rather than working from home. But I know whenever I do go back, they will have screening processes in place with questions (including about travel), so I don't know if that will be a problem. Also, I don't want to end up getting sick obviously... I'm conflicted because I want to start racing again, but I know there is extra risk involved.
There are places doing virtual races (not quite as fun, but still something to train for). Would signing up for those help?
I have a friend who qualified and registered for the Boston Marathon that was supposed to be held last month. It's been pushed to September for now. Lots of races pushing the date or postponing.
I had a marathon and 2 half marathons at the end of Mar. and early Apr. that all cancelled or postponed. But no, virtual races don't interest me. I want to do the race, but having a hard time with weighing the risk. Obviously I can take precautions as I travel for it, but still not exactly risk-free. I'm hoping to continue working from home for awhile, but that makes an impact as well. As of yet, it looks like nobody goes back until 5/18 (keeps getting delayed) and I won't likely be part of that group. I think I might talk to my boss and see if I can keep WFH into June, then no worries about inadvertently spreading it if I pick it up at a race.1 -
I am spending WAY more money on food, at least double. Normally, when my husband and I are working outside of our house, a lot of our meals are provided by our workplaces. In a typical week, we'd only have MAYBE three dinners together, and zero lunches. Now, I'm buying food for 3 meals a day, 7 days a week. It's been a project just to plan out the meals and grocery lists. We are also ordering carry-out about once a week, which is a lot more than normal.
As the weather heats up, I know I'll be spending a lot more on energy bills as well. When we are both out of the house in the summer, we turn the AC way down to save energy and money. But if we are both home, we'll keep the temperature at a comfortable level. My husband has no tolerance for heat, so I know we will be having thermostat wars in the coming weeks.
I am spending way less on gas, hair and makeup products (zero), clothes, travel, and entertainment (theatre tickets, museum and parks admission, etc).3 -
springlering62 wrote: »I manage our neighborhood FB page, which erupted last night, after neighbors had a party in the park a couple of nights ago to celebrate the lifting of most the sanctions. It got unbelievably ugly. The stuff coming out of the mouths of people I had thought of as “nice” neighbors. The fear, angst and everything seem to reach flashpoint.
You’re brave to manage a neighborhood FB page! I have been biting my tongue so hard it might be severed over the last two weeks. My city has not lifted restrictions (well, today it starts, and even so it’s limited and no gatherings over 10, must maintain distance, etc). All 3 houses on my little cove (so half) have been having pool parties, kids playing big games of frisbee in the street, etc. definitely over 10, definitely not all from one household.
Meanwhile I’m telling my children they can’t see friends bc we’re not allowed gatherings bc of COVID, over the noise of the 20 teens at the pool behind us, and that they can’t play football/basketball with the neighbor one street over bc they shouldn’t be touching stuff or be too close. Instead they are both wearing gloves, putting baseball cards they want to trade into plastic baggies and quarantining them for 5 days before opening, and staying far away from each other. While watching the HS kid across the street play b-ball with his buddies. Sigh.19 -
No parties around me. Lots of people out with nicer weather, but lots of masks, decent social distancing, although I think it's not as good in the popular parks. Other neighborhoods are apparently not doing so much, as there have been numerous big house parties broken up. New policy is to fine those having house parties $5000 and tow the cars of party-goers.
On a personal level I've heard of people doing things like teaming up with another family who have been social distancing responsibly so families can share the burden. I think that seems reasonable and pretty much safe.7 -
I think the idea of choosing another household to include in your inner circle (be it a neighbor, family, or close friends) is a good one, if you all agree to be faithful to social distancing beyond that. Of course some people won't be happy with that and will choose 2 or 3, who will also choose 2 or 3, and so on and so forth. But it's a start... People are going to people no matter what.No parties around me. Lots of people out with nicer weather, but lots of masks, decent social distancing, although I think it's not as good in the popular parks. Other neighborhoods are apparently not doing so much, as there have been numerous big house parties broken up. New policy is to fine those having house parties $5000 and tow the cars of party-goers.
On a personal level I've heard of people doing things like teaming up with another family who have been social distancing responsibly so families can share the burden. I think that seems reasonable and pretty much safe.6 -
No parties around me. Lots of people out with nicer weather, but lots of masks, decent social distancing, although I think it's not as good in the popular parks. Other neighborhoods are apparently not doing so much, as there have been numerous big house parties broken up. New policy is to fine those having house parties $5000 and tow the cars of party-goers.
On a personal level I've heard of people doing things like teaming up with another family who have been social distancing responsibly so families can share the burden. I think that seems reasonable and pretty much safe.
That sounds reasonable to me as well—we started that with one family the two weeks before full quarantine, then went full hermit. We may consider re opening in that way, though since my husband is still working in the office & in the hospital (physician, but a specialty that isn’t on the front lines of seeing Covid patients), we’re the weak link. Still concerned that our younger kids won’t be able to kee themselves from being up in other kids’ business after being alone so long! Plus the older kids pretty much live for contact sports with friends...ugh, the whole re entry into society feels is so fraught with what ifs.11 -
gradchica27 wrote: »springlering62 wrote: »I manage our neighborhood FB page, which erupted last night, after neighbors had a party in the park a couple of nights ago to celebrate the lifting of most the sanctions. It got unbelievably ugly. The stuff coming out of the mouths of people I had thought of as “nice” neighbors. The fear, angst and everything seem to reach flashpoint.
You’re brave to manage a neighborhood FB page! I have been biting my tongue so hard it might be severed over the last two weeks. My city has not lifted restrictions (well, today it starts, and even so it’s limited and no gatherings over 10, must maintain distance, etc). All 3 houses on my little cove (so half) have been having pool parties, kids playing big games of frisbee in the street, etc. definitely over 10, definitely not all from one household.
Meanwhile I’m telling my children they can’t see friends bc we’re not allowed gatherings bc of COVID, over the noise of the 20 teens at the pool behind us, and that they can’t play football/basketball with the neighbor one street over bc they shouldn’t be touching stuff or be too close. Instead they are both wearing gloves, putting baseball cards they want to trade into plastic baggies and quarantining them for 5 days before opening, and staying far away from each other. While watching the HS kid across the street play b-ball with his buddies. Sigh.
Ouch!! That's one of the joys of being a parent. It's hard being the only one doing what's right.8 -
Gym is reopening here, at 25% capacity. You have to reserve a 45 min spot online, and there will be childcare (reservations only), but you can’t enter that area at all, just open the door and let them in). I am a little hesitant about going back, so I’ll probably keep working out in the garage for the next few weeks...maybe go myself without the kids in two weeks if things seem like they’re not totally blowing up.4
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gradchica27 wrote: »Gym is reopening here, at 25% capacity. You have to reserve a 45 min spot online, and there will be childcare (reservations only), but you can’t enter that area at all, just open the door and let them in). I am a little hesitant about going back, so I’ll probably keep working out in the garage for the next few weeks...maybe go myself without the kids in two weeks if things seem like they’re not totally blowing up.
Yeah, I saw that gyms were limited to 45 minutes, which doesn’t make a lot of sense to me... I guess it’s meant to be a thing to reduce overcrowding? But my gym was like three guys who all sat in different corners with headphones on ignoring each other anyway, and none of us can get much done in 45 minutes. Particularly since circuit training and supersets are specifically outlawed. I’m just gonna continue halfassing my strength work from home.2 -
Re: neighborhood parties to celebrate the lifting of restrictions. I feel like people’s brains have broken. Not one number suggests the situation now is less dangerous than when lockdown started. Every single number suggests there is far more community transmission and the risk of getting covid locally is higher by a factor of ten. On Saturday Tennessee had its highest day of new cases, almost 1200. But since the powers that be are easing restrictions, people look at that and think, “Yay, it’s over, it’s safe now!”
Guys. It’s not safe. It’s just lawmakers are starting to panic about riots if people aren’t allowed to earn enough money to feed themselves and pay rent. So they are trying to allow everyone to do those things while trying to mitigate the risks as much as possible. That doesn’t work unless everyone tries to mitigate the risk.
There was an article about restaurants reopening on Friday. They are supposed to take temperatures and ask questions about symptoms before allowing customers in, and the staff are supposed to wear masks. I wrote a post at the time saying this would not happen, and lo and behold, the reporters say it isn’t happening. One restaurant in Atoka did make an attempt to check temperatures until a customer pointed out the thermometer they were using was intended for finding studs in walls and not accurate on people. The others just shrugged and said, yeah, that would make our customers uncomfortable, not doing it. Waiters are not even wearing masks. There is not and was never planned to be enforcement - the governor has said he intends people to “take the Tennessee pledge” to do the right thing. But the thing is, when asking people to do something novel and weird, you have to require them to do it. That way everyone does it and no one feels weird. And they can point at the law and say, “Yeah, sorry, I think it’s stupid too but we can’t be open if we don’t do it.” Tell everyone it’s optional and no one will do it!14 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Re: neighborhood parties to celebrate the lifting of restrictions. I feel like people’s brains have broken. Not one number suggests the situation now is less dangerous than when lockdown started. Every single number suggests there is far more community transmission and the risk of getting covid locally is higher by a factor of ten. On Saturday Tennessee had its highest day of new cases, almost 1200. But since the powers that be are easing restrictions, people look at that and think, “Yay, it’s over, it’s safe now!”
Guys. It’s not safe. It’s just lawmakers are starting to panic about riots if people aren’t allowed to earn enough money to feed themselves and pay rent. So they are trying to allow everyone to do those things while trying to mitigate the risks as much as possible. That doesn’t work unless everyone tries to mitigate the risk.
There was an article about restaurants reopening on Friday. They are supposed to take temperatures and ask questions about symptoms before allowing customers in, and the staff are supposed to wear masks. I wrote a post at the time saying this would not happen, and lo and behold, the reporters say it isn’t happening. One restaurant in Atoka did make an attempt to check temperatures until a customer pointed out the thermometer they were using was intended for finding studs in walls and not accurate on people. The others just shrugged and said, yeah, that would make our customers uncomfortable, not doing it. Waiters are not even wearing masks. There is not and was never planned to be enforcement - the governor has said he intends people to “take the Tennessee pledge” to do the right thing. But the thing is, when asking people to do something novel and weird, you have to require them to do it. That way everyone does it and no one feels weird. And they can point at the law and say, “Yeah, sorry, I think it’s stupid too but we can’t be open if we don’t do it.” Tell everyone it’s optional and no one will do it!
Most here are not wearing masks either. It is so simple to cover your mouth and nose... doesn't stop you from doing anything but eat/drink. It doesn't hurt anything and can help a whole lot when everyone does it. Some people haven't thought of that it seems.4 -
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rheddmobile wrote: »Re: neighborhood parties to celebrate the lifting of restrictions. I feel like people’s brains have broken. Not one number suggests the situation now is less dangerous than when lockdown started. Every single number suggests there is far more community transmission and the risk of getting covid locally is higher by a factor of ten. On Saturday Tennessee had its highest day of new cases, almost 1200. But since the powers that be are easing restrictions, people look at that and think, “Yay, it’s over, it’s safe now!”
Guys. It’s not safe. It’s just lawmakers are starting to panic about riots if people aren’t allowed to earn enough money to feed themselves and pay rent. So they are trying to allow everyone to do those things while trying to mitigate the risks as much as possible. That doesn’t work unless everyone tries to mitigate the risk.
There was an article about restaurants reopening on Friday. They are supposed to take temperatures and ask questions about symptoms before allowing customers in, and the staff are supposed to wear masks. I wrote a post at the time saying this would not happen, and lo and behold, the reporters say it isn’t happening. One restaurant in Atoka did make an attempt to check temperatures until a customer pointed out the thermometer they were using was intended for finding studs in walls and not accurate on people. The others just shrugged and said, yeah, that would make our customers uncomfortable, not doing it. Waiters are not even wearing masks. There is not and was never planned to be enforcement - the governor has said he intends people to “take the Tennessee pledge” to do the right thing. But the thing is, when asking people to do something novel and weird, you have to require them to do it. That way everyone does it and no one feels weird. And they can point at the law and say, “Yeah, sorry, I think it’s stupid too but we can’t be open if we don’t do it.” Tell everyone it’s optional and no one will do it!
I read that the Ohio governor mandated masks worn in all stores, and after a couple of days of store employees being treated poorly for trying to enforce it the governor took it back. People are seriously yelling about their civil rights being violated by mask requirements of all things smh. What's sad is many of these people won't get sick themselves, they'll pass it on to more vulnerable people and probably never even know they did.15 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Re: neighborhood parties to celebrate the lifting of restrictions. I feel like people’s brains have broken. Not one number suggests the situation now is less dangerous than when lockdown started. Every single number suggests there is far more community transmission and the risk of getting covid locally is higher by a factor of ten. On Saturday Tennessee had its highest day of new cases, almost 1200. But since the powers that be are easing restrictions, people look at that and think, “Yay, it’s over, it’s safe now!”
Guys. It’s not safe. It’s just lawmakers are starting to panic about riots if people aren’t allowed to earn enough money to feed themselves and pay rent. So they are trying to allow everyone to do those things while trying to mitigate the risks as much as possible. That doesn’t work unless everyone tries to mitigate the risk.
There was an article about restaurants reopening on Friday. They are supposed to take temperatures and ask questions about symptoms before allowing customers in, and the staff are supposed to wear masks. I wrote a post at the time saying this would not happen, and lo and behold, the reporters say it isn’t happening. One restaurant in Atoka did make an attempt to check temperatures until a customer pointed out the thermometer they were using was intended for finding studs in walls and not accurate on people. The others just shrugged and said, yeah, that would make our customers uncomfortable, not doing it. Waiters are not even wearing masks. There is not and was never planned to be enforcement - the governor has said he intends people to “take the Tennessee pledge” to do the right thing. But the thing is, when asking people to do something novel and weird, you have to require them to do it. That way everyone does it and no one feels weird. And they can point at the law and say, “Yeah, sorry, I think it’s stupid too but we can’t be open if we don’t do it.” Tell everyone it’s optional and no one will do it!
I read that the Ohio governor mandated masks worn in all stores, and after a couple of days of store employees being treated poorly for trying to enforce it the governor took it back. People are seriously yelling about their civil rights being violated by mask requirements of all things smh. What's sad is many of these people won't get sick themselves, they'll pass it on to more vulnerable people and probably never even know they did.
Something similar happened in Stillwater, OK (home of Oklahoma State University).
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-city-ends-face-mask-rule-shoppers-after-store-employees-n11987361 -
rheddmobile wrote: »gradchica27 wrote: »Gym is reopening here, at 25% capacity. You have to reserve a 45 min spot online, and there will be childcare (reservations only), but you can’t enter that area at all, just open the door and let them in). I am a little hesitant about going back, so I’ll probably keep working out in the garage for the next few weeks...maybe go myself without the kids in two weeks if things seem like they’re not totally blowing up.
Yeah, I saw that gyms were limited to 45 minutes, which doesn’t make a lot of sense to me... I guess it’s meant to be a thing to reduce overcrowding? But my gym was like three guys who all sat in different corners with headphones on ignoring each other anyway, and none of us can get much done in 45 minutes. Particularly since circuit training and supersets are specifically outlawed. I’m just gonna continue halfassing my strength work from home.
When our gyms re-open, I am so going to use "stay-away-for-social-distancing" as a way to shut down unsolicited advice on my workout. Maybe I should post this in that thread about the upside of the pandemic. ...7 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Re: neighborhood parties to celebrate the lifting of restrictions. I feel like people’s brains have broken. Not one number suggests the situation now is less dangerous than when lockdown started. Every single number suggests there is far more community transmission and the risk of getting covid locally is higher by a factor of ten. On Saturday Tennessee had its highest day of new cases, almost 1200. But since the powers that be are easing restrictions, people look at that and think, “Yay, it’s over, it’s safe now!”
Guys. It’s not safe. It’s just lawmakers are starting to panic about riots if people aren’t allowed to earn enough money to feed themselves and pay rent. So they are trying to allow everyone to do those things while trying to mitigate the risks as much as possible. That doesn’t work unless everyone tries to mitigate the risk.
There was an article about restaurants reopening on Friday. They are supposed to take temperatures and ask questions about symptoms before allowing customers in, and the staff are supposed to wear masks. I wrote a post at the time saying this would not happen, and lo and behold, the reporters say it isn’t happening. One restaurant in Atoka did make an attempt to check temperatures until a customer pointed out the thermometer they were using was intended for finding studs in walls and not accurate on people. The others just shrugged and said, yeah, that would make our customers uncomfortable, not doing it. Waiters are not even wearing masks. There is not and was never planned to be enforcement - the governor has said he intends people to “take the Tennessee pledge” to do the right thing. But the thing is, when asking people to do something novel and weird, you have to require them to do it. That way everyone does it and no one feels weird. And they can point at the law and say, “Yeah, sorry, I think it’s stupid too but we can’t be open if we don’t do it.” Tell everyone it’s optional and no one will do it!
I read that the Ohio governor mandated masks worn in all stores, and after a couple of days of store employees being treated poorly for trying to enforce it the governor took it back. People are seriously yelling about their civil rights being violated by mask requirements of all things smh. What's sad is many of these people won't get sick themselves, they'll pass it on to more vulnerable people and probably never even know they did.
Something similar happened in Stillwater, OK (home of Oklahoma State University).
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-city-ends-face-mask-rule-shoppers-after-store-employees-n1198736
And a store security guard was shot and killed in Michigan for trying to enforce a face-mask requirement.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/police-probe-killing-store-security-guard-virus-mask-704929807 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »Re: neighborhood parties to celebrate the lifting of restrictions. I feel like people’s brains have broken. Not one number suggests the situation now is less dangerous than when lockdown started. Every single number suggests there is far more community transmission and the risk of getting covid locally is higher by a factor of ten. On Saturday Tennessee had its highest day of new cases, almost 1200. But since the powers that be are easing restrictions, people look at that and think, “Yay, it’s over, it’s safe now!”
Guys. It’s not safe. It’s just lawmakers are starting to panic about riots if people aren’t allowed to earn enough money to feed themselves and pay rent. So they are trying to allow everyone to do those things while trying to mitigate the risks as much as possible. That doesn’t work unless everyone tries to mitigate the risk.
There was an article about restaurants reopening on Friday. They are supposed to take temperatures and ask questions about symptoms before allowing customers in, and the staff are supposed to wear masks. I wrote a post at the time saying this would not happen, and lo and behold, the reporters say it isn’t happening. One restaurant in Atoka did make an attempt to check temperatures until a customer pointed out the thermometer they were using was intended for finding studs in walls and not accurate on people. The others just shrugged and said, yeah, that would make our customers uncomfortable, not doing it. Waiters are not even wearing masks. There is not and was never planned to be enforcement - the governor has said he intends people to “take the Tennessee pledge” to do the right thing. But the thing is, when asking people to do something novel and weird, you have to require them to do it. That way everyone does it and no one feels weird. And they can point at the law and say, “Yeah, sorry, I think it’s stupid too but we can’t be open if we don’t do it.” Tell everyone it’s optional and no one will do it!
I read that the Ohio governor mandated masks worn in all stores, and after a couple of days of store employees being treated poorly for trying to enforce it the governor took it back. People are seriously yelling about their civil rights being violated by mask requirements of all things smh. What's sad is many of these people won't get sick themselves, they'll pass it on to more vulnerable people and probably never even know they did.
Something similar happened in Stillwater, OK (home of Oklahoma State University).
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-city-ends-face-mask-rule-shoppers-after-store-employees-n1198736
And a store security guard was shot and killed in Michigan for trying to enforce a face-mask requirement.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/police-probe-killing-store-security-guard-virus-mask-70492980
I swear to y'all, not everyone in Michigan is a complete f'n idiot, no matter what the news might make you think.18 -
In my neighborhood at least most seem to be wearing masks and stores are enforcing it (and lots relying on delivery and delivery guys wearing them). Wards (political wards, not hospitals) are delivering them to people needing them this week. The main thing I've noticed here is people on Nextdoor fighting about whether one should wear one outside (with everyone agreeing that in stores and such they should). And as I said before no flagrant violations I've noticed in my neighborhood and lots of crossing streets to be careful when outside and running into people. Yet we are much more of a hotspot than the places rejecting them, so I feel basically hopeless. (And sorry, I know I am whiny lately.)12
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Memphis is planning to vote on whether to require masks in public places tomorrow. Don’t know yet whether that also applies to outdoors with spacing.2
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »Re: neighborhood parties to celebrate the lifting of restrictions. I feel like people’s brains have broken. Not one number suggests the situation now is less dangerous than when lockdown started. Every single number suggests there is far more community transmission and the risk of getting covid locally is higher by a factor of ten. On Saturday Tennessee had its highest day of new cases, almost 1200. But since the powers that be are easing restrictions, people look at that and think, “Yay, it’s over, it’s safe now!”
Guys. It’s not safe. It’s just lawmakers are starting to panic about riots if people aren’t allowed to earn enough money to feed themselves and pay rent. So they are trying to allow everyone to do those things while trying to mitigate the risks as much as possible. That doesn’t work unless everyone tries to mitigate the risk.
There was an article about restaurants reopening on Friday. They are supposed to take temperatures and ask questions about symptoms before allowing customers in, and the staff are supposed to wear masks. I wrote a post at the time saying this would not happen, and lo and behold, the reporters say it isn’t happening. One restaurant in Atoka did make an attempt to check temperatures until a customer pointed out the thermometer they were using was intended for finding studs in walls and not accurate on people. The others just shrugged and said, yeah, that would make our customers uncomfortable, not doing it. Waiters are not even wearing masks. There is not and was never planned to be enforcement - the governor has said he intends people to “take the Tennessee pledge” to do the right thing. But the thing is, when asking people to do something novel and weird, you have to require them to do it. That way everyone does it and no one feels weird. And they can point at the law and say, “Yeah, sorry, I think it’s stupid too but we can’t be open if we don’t do it.” Tell everyone it’s optional and no one will do it!
I read that the Ohio governor mandated masks worn in all stores, and after a couple of days of store employees being treated poorly for trying to enforce it the governor took it back. People are seriously yelling about their civil rights being violated by mask requirements of all things smh. What's sad is many of these people won't get sick themselves, they'll pass it on to more vulnerable people and probably never even know they did.
Something similar happened in Stillwater, OK (home of Oklahoma State University).
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-city-ends-face-mask-rule-shoppers-after-store-employees-n1198736
And a store security guard was shot and killed in Michigan for trying to enforce a face-mask requirement.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/police-probe-killing-store-security-guard-virus-mask-70492980
I swear to y'all, not everyone in Michigan is a complete f'n idiot, no matter what the news might make you think.
LOL. Those of us on the other side of the lake understand. We have our variety too.
So far (with the exception of some) most are accepting the fact that our Governor is making the best decisions for the good of the majority. He is opening a few things that tend to be solitary or family only pursuits such as hiking trails, boat landings (fishing season is starting), and golf courses with clubhouses closed. Any retailer can open for curbside or delivery and he has expanded the definition of "essential" businesses to include garden centers as long as they follow certain protocols.3 -
Same story over here, with people on my local Nextdoor fighting about it, and me being in a hotspot county. My big worry is that even if I run well away from people (say, the other side of a wide street), someone might scream at me if I'm not wearing a mask, just for the sheer joy of screaming at someone. People are on edge these days.In my neighborhood at least most seem to be wearing masks and stores are enforcing it (and lots relying on delivery and delivery guys wearing them). Wards (political wards, not hospitals) are delivering them to people needing them this week. The main thing I've noticed here is people on Nextdoor fighting about whether one should wear one outside (with everyone agreeing that in stores and such they should). And as I said before no flagrant violations I've noticed in my neighborhood and lots of crossing streets to be careful when outside and running into people. Yet we are much more of a hotspot than the places rejecting them, so I feel basically hopeless. (And sorry, I know I am whiny lately.)
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One lady/group is calling for boycotting of stores requiring masks, one reason mentioned is that because they haven’t proven them to actually help. Oi...
https://myfox8.com/news/coronavirus/reopen-nc-leader-calls-for-boycott-of-costco-whole-foods-for-requiring-customers-to-wear-masks/
Talking to a neighbor today and she is wearing a mask out and about (she’s been sick, and her 87 year old mother that lives with her has been on round after round of steroids for breathing issues... also her daughter and granddaughter are in the homes as well... 4 generations!)... she said people look at her like she’s crazy. Also saw the above linked article about the security guard which is just heartbreaking. Why the heck are people so polarized on something like this? I can’t wrap my head around it...
My children did play with the girl next door for the first time today. She has no one to play with outside of mom and gma (and mom has major anxiety/depression so we don’t see her much). Last week she just sat at the end of the driveway and watched my family play baseball together, it was heartbreaking! I did discuss it with gma first, I think she was happy to have a little relief.8 -
moonangel12 wrote: »One lady/group is calling for boycotting of stores requiring masks, one reason mentioned is that because they haven’t proven them to actually help. Oi...
https://myfox8.com/news/coronavirus/reopen-nc-leader-calls-for-boycott-of-costco-whole-foods-for-requiring-customers-to-wear-masks/
Talking to a neighbor today and she is wearing a mask out and about (she’s been sick, and her 87 year old mother that lives with her has been on round after round of steroids for breathing issues... also her daughter and granddaughter are in the homes as well... 4 generations!)... she said people look at her like she’s crazy. Also saw the above linked article about the security guard which is just heartbreaking. Why the heck are people so polarized on something like this? I can’t wrap my head around it...
My children did play with the girl next door for the first time today. She has no one to play with outside of mom and gma (and mom has major anxiety/depression so we don’t see her much). Last week she just sat at the end of the driveway and watched my family play baseball together, it was heartbreaking! I did discuss it with gma first, I think she was happy to have a little relief.
I'm completely speculating, but I wouldn't be surprised if the intersection of stress-induced short fuses, honor (sub-) cultures, and polarization may be in play in a case like this. That certainly would be a powder-keg combo, and I'm thinking we may see some of that blow up, even if this one is not an instance.4 -
Genuine questions.
How do people eat/drink in a restaruant if they have to wear masks??
Mask wearing hasnt been a big thing in Australia - people can choose to wear them if they want of course and a few do - but most people are not and we are not being encouraged, let alone mandated, to do so.
Question 2 - are the easing of restrictions in US being done as a result of numbers dropping enough to be considered safe to do so? - or are they just being eased because authorities think they have been there for long enough./ people wont adhere anyway/ , the economy needs them to reduce??
yes i know US is a big place and different locations might be doing things differently - but answer for your specific location or area as a whole.
Restrictions are being gradually eased here in South Australia - and that is in response to massive drop in COVID numbers
Our restrictions weren't as tight in first place as many other places - but in comparison to what still seems high numbers in US, we are only now re opening outdoor playgrounds, - gyms/restaraunts are still closed (open for takeaway only) and gatherings are still restricted to 10 people.
This with a state of 5 remaining active cases in whole state (all in home or hospital quarantine, of course) and zero new cases for nearly 2 weeks.
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State borders are still closed except for essential travellers/returnees who have to self isolate for 14 days.
In superrvised hotel accomodation, in case of overseas returnees.
I think it is very safe for us to move forward, although we are still doing it very gradually.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »Re: neighborhood parties to celebrate the lifting of restrictions. I feel like people’s brains have broken. Not one number suggests the situation now is less dangerous than when lockdown started. Every single number suggests there is far more community transmission and the risk of getting covid locally is higher by a factor of ten. On Saturday Tennessee had its highest day of new cases, almost 1200. But since the powers that be are easing restrictions, people look at that and think, “Yay, it’s over, it’s safe now!”
Guys. It’s not safe. It’s just lawmakers are starting to panic about riots if people aren’t allowed to earn enough money to feed themselves and pay rent. So they are trying to allow everyone to do those things while trying to mitigate the risks as much as possible. That doesn’t work unless everyone tries to mitigate the risk.
There was an article about restaurants reopening on Friday. They are supposed to take temperatures and ask questions about symptoms before allowing customers in, and the staff are supposed to wear masks. I wrote a post at the time saying this would not happen, and lo and behold, the reporters say it isn’t happening. One restaurant in Atoka did make an attempt to check temperatures until a customer pointed out the thermometer they were using was intended for finding studs in walls and not accurate on people. The others just shrugged and said, yeah, that would make our customers uncomfortable, not doing it. Waiters are not even wearing masks. There is not and was never planned to be enforcement - the governor has said he intends people to “take the Tennessee pledge” to do the right thing. But the thing is, when asking people to do something novel and weird, you have to require them to do it. That way everyone does it and no one feels weird. And they can point at the law and say, “Yeah, sorry, I think it’s stupid too but we can’t be open if we don’t do it.” Tell everyone it’s optional and no one will do it!
I read that the Ohio governor mandated masks worn in all stores, and after a couple of days of store employees being treated poorly for trying to enforce it the governor took it back. People are seriously yelling about their civil rights being violated by mask requirements of all things smh. What's sad is many of these people won't get sick themselves, they'll pass it on to more vulnerable people and probably never even know they did.
Something similar happened in Stillwater, OK (home of Oklahoma State University).
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-city-ends-face-mask-rule-shoppers-after-store-employees-n1198736
And a store security guard was shot and killed in Michigan for trying to enforce a face-mask requirement.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/police-probe-killing-store-security-guard-virus-mask-70492980
Oh wow. People have gone crazy. My nephew lives in Dallas Texas and said there was a party at the beach, around 20 young people, no masks or anything safe, an officer came and said I'm going to have to cite you if you don't all leave. He got thrown into the lake. I tell ya, I wouldn't want to be in any kind of enforcement or healthcare career right now.
On the upside, I went with my sister to the VA ER yesterday and they were so very good about everything. Lots of pre- questions before you can even enter the parking lot. Then more as you enter the building and they direct you to very isolated places, get you right into an individual room, etc., etc. They also said there were currently no Covid cases within the hospital and amazingly every single medical person(and there were LOTS)we came into contact with was very kind, and helpful, and completely efficient. I expected to see overly-frazzled, irritated, short-on-staff type of environment. They have clearly done all they can to keep people distanced and isolated. But thankfully we live in a less populated state whose biggest city population doesn't top 100K so it's a whole different look than NY or CA, etc.5 -
I was at the grocery store Sunday and they have a continuous speaking thingie going on in the background, which clearly not everyone listens to because one thing it said was to please wear facial protection inside the store to keep everyone safer. Maybe 90% do wear face masks but there are still a few that don't. What is preventing them from doing something so simple, even if they feel it's a farce, or whatever their reasoning could be? I wish each and every store would make it mandatory in order to get through their doors. Isn't it the right for their business to request that? It wouldn't need to get political?? People would have no choice but to wear one because they need to get groceries.
I just don't understand.
I think people have been doing this for so long that they're getting complacent about it; maybe they've seen no one in their circle get sick with this yet so feel it's all for nothing; maybe they're fed up with all the confusion and lies coming from every direction; or maybe they still feel it's no worse than a flu.
I just feel if we'd've stepped right on it from the beginning, more forcefully instead of 1 baby step at a time, it would've been so much better.
I read about the way Iceland handled it right from the get-go and they have it pretty well under control. Granted, with only 360K people and being such an isolated country, it's definitely easier to accomplish.4 -
paperpudding wrote: »Genuine questions.
How do people eat/drink in a restaruant if they have to wear masks??
Mask wearing hasnt been a big thing in Australia - people can choose to wear them if they want of course and a few do - but most people are not and we are not being encouraged, let alone mandated, to do so.
Question 2 - are the easing of restrictions in US being done as a result of numbers dropping enough to be considered safe to do so? - or are they just being eased because authorities think they have been there for long enough./ people wont adhere anyway/ , the economy needs them to reduce??
yes i know US is a big place and different locations might be doing things differently - but answer for your specific location or area as a whole.
Restrictions are being gradually eased here in South Australia - and that is in response to massive drop in COVID numbers
Our restrictions weren't as tight in first place as many other places - but in comparison to what still seems high numbers in US, we are only now re opening outdoor playgrounds, - gyms/restaraunts are still closed (open for takeaway only) and gatherings are still restricted to 10 people.
This with a state of 5 remaining active cases in whole state (all in home or hospital quarantine, of course) and zero new cases for nearly 2 weeks.
.
State borders are still closed except for essential travellers/returnees who have to self isolate for 14 days.
In superrvised hotel accomodation, in case of overseas returnees.
I think it is very safe for us to move forward, although we are still doing it very gradually.
Answer 1: My state (Illinois) is still not allowing dine-in at restaurants, but from video I have seen in states allowing it...
The customers are not wearing masks, only the servers, hosts, and other employees are. The states that are loosening their restrictions are not requiring masks.
Answer 2: Of the states easing restrictions, a grand total of zero have met the federal government's own guidelines for when it is safe to do so (14 consecutive days with reducing cases). In fact, some still have rising numbers, but are easing restrictions anyways. As to why...they can give any excuse they want, but it is 100 percent political. I can't go into further details without violating the "no political debates" policy here.13
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