Coronavirus prep
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cmriverside wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »NM lifting some restrictions today. Golf courses are allowed to open, non emergency medical services may resume, including voluntary surgery, state parks open for day use, and non essential retailers can provide curbside service.
Most restrictions are in place until May 15 when we will start a phase 1 re-open. She will announce next Tuesday what phase 1 will likely look like. From what I understand from talking to people more in the know, it sounds like non essential retail will be able to begin in store operations at limited capacity, restaurants may open up to dine in at 20% of capacity, and gyms may open at 20% of capacity. We'll see if all of that is true, but that's the rumor.
Ironically, the governor just announced an actual lockdown of the city of Gallup in McKinley county at the request of the mayor. The area has not really adhered to social distancing or stay at home measures and now makes up about 30% of New Mexico cases and they and San Juan County are the only counties that are seeing new case numbers and hospitalizations increase substantially on a daily basis. Most counties are seeing their new case numbers and hospitalizations decline. All roads in and out of Gallup will be barricaded by the National Guard, vehicles with more than two people will be cited by police, stores be further restricted in regards to hours of operation, and a curfew has been put into place.
Oh, wow. That mayor was pro-active. So was your governor. I hope people everywhere in the U.S. take note.
My surrounding town/zip code has had 73 positive results, 7 have died. 33,000 population, but dense population - it's a bedroom community to Seattle and really just a continuation of the metro area in general. People have been locked down for six weeks, but still it's hard to believe if you look out my window at the bike trail, river, walking trail. No one wears masks anywhere except inside stores.
Wow -- my zip has had 596 cases, and its far from the worst zip in Chicago, We've allegedly flattened the curve too, but seems hard to believe.
As I noted earlier most seem to be wearing masks and social distancing in this nabe, but it doesn't seem to matter.2 -
cmriverside wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »NM lifting some restrictions today. Golf courses are allowed to open, non emergency medical services may resume, including voluntary surgery, state parks open for day use, and non essential retailers can provide curbside service.
Most restrictions are in place until May 15 when we will start a phase 1 re-open. She will announce next Tuesday what phase 1 will likely look like. From what I understand from talking to people more in the know, it sounds like non essential retail will be able to begin in store operations at limited capacity, restaurants may open up to dine in at 20% of capacity, and gyms may open at 20% of capacity. We'll see if all of that is true, but that's the rumor.
Ironically, the governor just announced an actual lockdown of the city of Gallup in McKinley county at the request of the mayor. The area has not really adhered to social distancing or stay at home measures and now makes up about 30% of New Mexico cases and they and San Juan County are the only counties that are seeing new case numbers and hospitalizations increase substantially on a daily basis. Most counties are seeing their new case numbers and hospitalizations decline. All roads in and out of Gallup will be barricaded by the National Guard, vehicles with more than two people will be cited by police, stores be further restricted in regards to hours of operation, and a curfew has been put into place.
Oh, wow. That mayor was pro-active. So was your governor. I hope people everywhere in the U.S. take note.
My surrounding town/zip code has had 73 positive results, 7 have died. 33,000 population, but dense population - it's a bedroom community to Seattle and really just a continuation of the metro area in general. People have been locked down for six weeks, but still it's hard to believe if you look out my window at the bike trail, river, walking trail. No one wears masks anywhere except inside stores.
Wow -- my zip has had 596 cases, and its far from the worst zip in Chicago, We've allegedly flattened the curve too, but seems hard to believe.
As I noted earlier most seem to be wearing masks and social distancing in this nabe, but it doesn't seem to matter.
Most of the Chicago area is pretty tightly packed. When I say, "densely populated" I'm talking about 33,000 people, a little over 8 square miles, and 12,000 housing units. Dense in Washington terms. We're 12 miles from downtown Seattle, and we've been pretty lucky so far with this thing...other than that whole nursing home disaster.
We also don't use mass transit the way Chicagoans do. No rail link that is widely used. Just buses.1 -
snowflake954 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »
With the lock down being effectively over in the USA where law enforcement are not authorized to mow down unarmed citizens with machine guns . . .
Dude, what on earth?
I noted I was only speaking about USA laws. The news article explains how states are removing more and more restraints on people. This will help prevent social unrest even if medically if it is a step backwards. No one knows what to do in these times.
Even with the restrictions, nobody was authorized to mow down unarmed citizens with machine guns. This is the kind of rhetoric that is incredibly unhelpful. I don't even know how you got there. It's like some kind of fever dream fantasy.
Have you been reading about the mental health issues related to COVID-19? I just see an undercurrent that is dangerous for the safety of law officers. Some are losing everything and we know alcohol sales are up and gun sales are up. Did you read Cwolfmann's link over the number of COVID-19 deaths?
Law officers are starting to stand down over governors orders because they understand the time/risk factor on unproven restrictions is increasing. I think everyone posting here wants to do what is best and understand they are going to get COVID-19 sooner or later but want it to be much later.
We know with the schools closed it is causing some kids harm because they may not have a safe environment and food like when the schools were open. The schools will not be opening in 4 months from now if we do not get more COVID-19 cases behind us. Sweden may be proven wrong yet time will tell.
https://aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/sweden-avoids-full-lockdown-pm-insists-restrictions-continue-200420173945004.html
According to some metrics, like alcohol sales, it is totally possible that people are drinking more. I still don't understand how you get to law enforcement being authorized to "mow down unarmed citizens."
Maybe I'm wrong, but I read Gale to be sad police were not authorized to use machine guns to mow down unarmed citizens. I hope he corrects me if I am wrong.
Alcohol sales are up across the board in the US. Gun sales are up in Kentucky, which might be affecting Gale's POV. Crime is up here, so I somewhat get it, although shooting a cop (or anyone) is still not in my imagination, so I don't get that.
Alcohol sales are prohibited here as part of the curfew regulations - so there's less drinking. The curfew is keeping large numbers of people indoors - so crime is down.
Apparently here the stay at home rules keeping more people at home (especially at night) means the gangs are more able to see each other and shoot at each other in some neighborhoods. Kittens.
https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/04/17/drug-fueled-gang-feud-sparking-violence-on-streets-emptied-by-coronavirus/
"Despite the pandemic, gangs in Irving Park and Albany Park are still feuding and even taking advantage of the empty streets to find their rivals more easily, the area’s police commander said Thursday afternoon.
The recent uptick in shootings in the area is tied to drug sales and the gang feud, Albany Park (17th) District Police Cmdr. Ronald A. Pontecore Jr. said during an online community police meeting.
The ongoing conflict also includes the February shootings that left a firefighter wounded in Albany Park and a woman shot dead in Irving Park.
“I’m not going to sugarcoat it. We have a violence issue and it’s revolving around narcotics sales,” Pontecore said on the video conference call.
For the most part, neighborhood residents are adhering to the stay at home order and the new social distancing rules in place to slow the spread of the coronavirus, he said.
“But some of the people who aren’t are gang members,” the police commander said. “Right now we’re getting a lot of shots fired calls because with the streets clear it’s easier for gang members to spot each other when they’re out.”
What I don't understand about this is if they know the neighborhoods at risk, why don't they just block the streets in the area off at night with checkpoints? They do this in Rome during the day to make sure nobody is just driving around without a reason. Once there are police all over, these guys don't go out.
I don’t know about Chicago, but for the most part inner city gang neighborhoods in Memphis are foot traffic. And there are cop cars crawling all over at the best of times, everyone has long since learned to deal. You can’t ban people from their own homes, and the corner store is likely the only grocery, so you can’t ban people from going there either. Not to mention in the projects it’s one big building (or a group of identical buildings) with a courtyard.
We can't have much foot traffic either--lockdown. The police stop you and ask where you're going, what you're doing, etc. My two oldest sons were at their office across the street and were stopped and questioned crossing the street to come home.
Too bad, it's an opportunity to lockdown on crime. Here, they've been busting drug dealers if they stick their noses out the door. The dealers got desperate and had to send drugs by mail or special delivery. Busted.
Actually here it's meant more criminals out on the street as charities have been bailing out violent criminals (non violent were let out) due to the horrible outbreaks in Cook County Jail. Unsurprisingly, they've been re-offending. Again, I am so sick of these people. I feel bad about the jail, but not really about violent offenders.9 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »
With the lock down being effectively over in the USA where law enforcement are not authorized to mow down unarmed citizens with machine guns . . .
Dude, what on earth?
I noted I was only speaking about USA laws. The news article explains how states are removing more and more restraints on people. This will help prevent social unrest even if medically if it is a step backwards. No one knows what to do in these times.
Even with the restrictions, nobody was authorized to mow down unarmed citizens with machine guns. This is the kind of rhetoric that is incredibly unhelpful. I don't even know how you got there. It's like some kind of fever dream fantasy.
Have you been reading about the mental health issues related to COVID-19? I just see an undercurrent that is dangerous for the safety of law officers. Some are losing everything and we know alcohol sales are up and gun sales are up. Did you read Cwolfmann's link over the number of COVID-19 deaths?
Law officers are starting to stand down over governors orders because they understand the time/risk factor on unproven restrictions is increasing. I think everyone posting here wants to do what is best and understand they are going to get COVID-19 sooner or later but want it to be much later.
We know with the schools closed it is causing some kids harm because they may not have a safe environment and food like when the schools were open. The schools will not be opening in 4 months from now if we do not get more COVID-19 cases behind us. Sweden may be proven wrong yet time will tell.
https://aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/sweden-avoids-full-lockdown-pm-insists-restrictions-continue-200420173945004.html
According to some metrics, like alcohol sales, it is totally possible that people are drinking more. I still don't understand how you get to law enforcement being authorized to "mow down unarmed citizens."
Maybe I'm wrong, but I read Gale to be sad police were not authorized to use machine guns to mow down unarmed citizens. I hope he corrects me if I am wrong.
Alcohol sales are up across the board in the US. Gun sales are up in Kentucky, which might be affecting Gale's POV. Crime is up here, so I somewhat get it, although shooting a cop (or anyone) is still not in my imagination, so I don't get that.
Alcohol sales are prohibited here as part of the curfew regulations - so there's less drinking. The curfew is keeping large numbers of people indoors - so crime is down.
Apparently here the stay at home rules keeping more people at home (especially at night) means the gangs are more able to see each other and shoot at each other in some neighborhoods. Kittens.
https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/04/17/drug-fueled-gang-feud-sparking-violence-on-streets-emptied-by-coronavirus/
"Despite the pandemic, gangs in Irving Park and Albany Park are still feuding and even taking advantage of the empty streets to find their rivals more easily, the area’s police commander said Thursday afternoon.
The recent uptick in shootings in the area is tied to drug sales and the gang feud, Albany Park (17th) District Police Cmdr. Ronald A. Pontecore Jr. said during an online community police meeting.
The ongoing conflict also includes the February shootings that left a firefighter wounded in Albany Park and a woman shot dead in Irving Park.
“I’m not going to sugarcoat it. We have a violence issue and it’s revolving around narcotics sales,” Pontecore said on the video conference call.
For the most part, neighborhood residents are adhering to the stay at home order and the new social distancing rules in place to slow the spread of the coronavirus, he said.
“But some of the people who aren’t are gang members,” the police commander said. “Right now we’re getting a lot of shots fired calls because with the streets clear it’s easier for gang members to spot each other when they’re out.”
What I don't understand about this is if they know the neighborhoods at risk, why don't they just block the streets in the area off at night with checkpoints? They do this in Rome during the day to make sure nobody is just driving around without a reason. Once there are police all over, these guys don't go out.
I don’t know about Chicago, but for the most part inner city gang neighborhoods in Memphis are foot traffic. And there are cop cars crawling all over at the best of times, everyone has long since learned to deal. You can’t ban people from their own homes, and the corner store is likely the only grocery, so you can’t ban people from going there either. Not to mention in the projects it’s one big building (or a group of identical buildings) with a courtyard.
We can't have much foot traffic either--lockdown. The police stop you and ask where you're going, what you're doing, etc. My two oldest sons were at their office across the street and were stopped and questioned crossing the street to come home.
Too bad, it's an opportunity to lockdown on crime. Here, they've been busting drug dealers if they stick their noses out the door. The dealers got desperate and had to send drugs by mail or special delivery. Busted.
That level of movement restriction won't happen in the U.S.
I agree with this. The history of police relations with communities is very different in America than it is in Italy.
I remember martial law during a short period when I was a child. That was forty years ago. It’s not likely to happen again unless things get much worse than they are currently.3 -
Is it just me or does anyone else find themselves spending more a lot money now? And it's not really buying as in stocking up or hoarding; maybe it's buying the different items I wouldn't normally buy, at normal versus on sale prices. IDK. Example: bought a dozen eggs yesterday but had to pay 3.59 instead of 1.69. Bread is $4-5 instead of buying at the "bread store outlet" for 1.39 each. I usually wait for meat sales, buying chicken breasts for 2.49 # but now it's 4.49 #. Course, the extra ice cream/cookie purchases aren't helping anything.
I think food prices are creeping up on us. I buy a lot of the same things, although a few more products than usual - but my grocery budget is significantly higher than it has been. I don't think if I bought the exact same thing it would be much higher, but I'm less picky - I buy whatever meat is available, not being able to pick what is on sale. I buy the expensive TP if it's in stock, because it's the only one in stock. Etc and etc.
Good thing I'm saving on gas not going anywhere.3 -
Is it just me or does anyone else find themselves spending more a lot money now? And it's not really buying as in stocking up or hoarding; maybe it's buying the different items I wouldn't normally buy, at normal versus on sale prices. IDK. Example: bought a dozen eggs yesterday but had to pay 3.59 instead of 1.69. Bread is $4-5 instead of buying at the "bread store outlet" for 1.39 each. I usually wait for meat sales, buying chicken breasts for 2.49 # but now it's 4.49 #. Course, the extra ice cream/cookie purchases aren't helping anything.
No, the opposite.
am finding myself spending less money.
My weekly grocery shop is up slightly - am not aware of buying extra so I put this down to no specials, some having to buy dearer brands if that is all thats available, being at home a bit more, therefore using more products - food, tissues, toilet paper etc
But that over spend is way balanced by spending less on petrol, less eating out or spending out at activities (a few drinks at my sports club etc) no buying of clothes (some clothes shops are open here but the fitting rooms are not) or minor incidental purchases.
However I am saying that from South Australia where restrictions are not as tight, nor are shop shortages as bad - and I am still working same hours as usual in essential service.3 -
My shopping patterns have changed so much, it's hard for me to tell whether I'm spending more on groceries. I'm definitely spending less overall (gas, dining out, random nice-to-haves I might normally buy, etc.).
I'd expect grocery costs to trend up because their costs are going up (extra cleaning, store changes like barriers & need to place floor signage and stuff (labor > materials for that), maybe extra staff per shift for monitoring entry lines and cashier lines (have seen this at my stores), similar increased costs from supply chains getting passed along, some stores giving staff a "hazard pay" bump, etc.). Shorter hours might offset part of that, but if there's deep cleaning really happening overnight, maybe not.
Margins (% profit) at grocery stores is really low, and they're really good (automated) at updating shelf prices based on cost changes. For $ profits, they depend on a small profit % on a very high volume turnover of goods, pennies per item. In normal times, profit on total costs (cost of goods plus the goods' share of rent, staff, utilities, cleaning, etc.) is in the range of 1-3%, typically, literally pennies per items. Changes in costs drive changes in what we pay, and quickly.
That's without even getting into problems with supply, supply chains, etc.
Also, for people who haven't had experience with financial management, it may not be obvious (until you think about it) that upheaval in itself has a cost. People and organizations are used to operating in a particular way, and they tend to become gradually more efficient at operations over time, as a cost control measure (which may become higher profit, or more competitive pricing - varies).
When there are major changes in how business is done, that introduces inefficiency. People and processes aren't as good (efficient) at getting the new thing done as they were at getting the old thing done. In some states, the various waves of rule changes keep that upheaval going longer. That's not some kind of an evil plot, it's just a natural side effect of a very dynamic, novel, difficult situation.
If you've gone through a period in your job where there's a major organizational change that affected your job methods and relationships, you've probably seen this in practice: People just aren't as productive for a while, becaust things are new and different, you have to learn them, and that has a cost. In the case of reorganizations, the hope is that the business will settle into a new, more productive pattern after everyone gets used to the new situation. In something like the effect of coronavirus on commerce, this is happening just to get us through this period with most of us still alive and healthy, without any expectation that more efficient grocery stores (or whatever) will emerge afterward.
I hope strategic planning for supply chain robustness will improve as a result of the upheaval, but that's a little bit different thing, and a way different topic.11 -
rheddmobile wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »
With the lock down being effectively over in the USA where law enforcement are not authorized to mow down unarmed citizens with machine guns . . .
Dude, what on earth?
I noted I was only speaking about USA laws. The news article explains how states are removing more and more restraints on people. This will help prevent social unrest even if medically if it is a step backwards. No one knows what to do in these times.
Even with the restrictions, nobody was authorized to mow down unarmed citizens with machine guns. This is the kind of rhetoric that is incredibly unhelpful. I don't even know how you got there. It's like some kind of fever dream fantasy.
Have you been reading about the mental health issues related to COVID-19? I just see an undercurrent that is dangerous for the safety of law officers. Some are losing everything and we know alcohol sales are up and gun sales are up. Did you read Cwolfmann's link over the number of COVID-19 deaths?
Law officers are starting to stand down over governors orders because they understand the time/risk factor on unproven restrictions is increasing. I think everyone posting here wants to do what is best and understand they are going to get COVID-19 sooner or later but want it to be much later.
We know with the schools closed it is causing some kids harm because they may not have a safe environment and food like when the schools were open. The schools will not be opening in 4 months from now if we do not get more COVID-19 cases behind us. Sweden may be proven wrong yet time will tell.
https://aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/sweden-avoids-full-lockdown-pm-insists-restrictions-continue-200420173945004.html
According to some metrics, like alcohol sales, it is totally possible that people are drinking more. I still don't understand how you get to law enforcement being authorized to "mow down unarmed citizens."
Maybe I'm wrong, but I read Gale to be sad police were not authorized to use machine guns to mow down unarmed citizens. I hope he corrects me if I am wrong.
Alcohol sales are up across the board in the US. Gun sales are up in Kentucky, which might be affecting Gale's POV. Crime is up here, so I somewhat get it, although shooting a cop (or anyone) is still not in my imagination, so I don't get that.
Alcohol sales are prohibited here as part of the curfew regulations - so there's less drinking. The curfew is keeping large numbers of people indoors - so crime is down.
Apparently here the stay at home rules keeping more people at home (especially at night) means the gangs are more able to see each other and shoot at each other in some neighborhoods. Kittens.
https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/04/17/drug-fueled-gang-feud-sparking-violence-on-streets-emptied-by-coronavirus/
"Despite the pandemic, gangs in Irving Park and Albany Park are still feuding and even taking advantage of the empty streets to find their rivals more easily, the area’s police commander said Thursday afternoon.
The recent uptick in shootings in the area is tied to drug sales and the gang feud, Albany Park (17th) District Police Cmdr. Ronald A. Pontecore Jr. said during an online community police meeting.
The ongoing conflict also includes the February shootings that left a firefighter wounded in Albany Park and a woman shot dead in Irving Park.
“I’m not going to sugarcoat it. We have a violence issue and it’s revolving around narcotics sales,” Pontecore said on the video conference call.
For the most part, neighborhood residents are adhering to the stay at home order and the new social distancing rules in place to slow the spread of the coronavirus, he said.
“But some of the people who aren’t are gang members,” the police commander said. “Right now we’re getting a lot of shots fired calls because with the streets clear it’s easier for gang members to spot each other when they’re out.”
What I don't understand about this is if they know the neighborhoods at risk, why don't they just block the streets in the area off at night with checkpoints? They do this in Rome during the day to make sure nobody is just driving around without a reason. Once there are police all over, these guys don't go out.
I don’t know about Chicago, but for the most part inner city gang neighborhoods in Memphis are foot traffic. And there are cop cars crawling all over at the best of times, everyone has long since learned to deal. You can’t ban people from their own homes, and the corner store is likely the only grocery, so you can’t ban people from going there either. Not to mention in the projects it’s one big building (or a group of identical buildings) with a courtyard.
Yeah, mostly local foot traffic and also local car traffic is not banned.1 -
I have a friend in Atlanta who was saying that Wendy's refused to sell a triple burger today citing "meat shortages." I know meat production is down because of outbreaks at packing plants around the country - including, but not limited to the Tyson plant in Waterloo, IA (it has gotten a lot of attention as a primary source of transmission in Iowa). I have family working at beef packing plants in Omaha and my neighbor (other side of the same duplex) works at a pork packing plant here in TN. I hear from those I know working at plants that they are churning out product as quickly as possible, including working overtime.
Despite a decrease in production, I think the bigger issue will be hoarding as news spreads of meat shortages; thus making the "shortage" a self-fulfilling prophesy. As I learned with the toilet paper shortage here, hoarding is a bigger issue here than some of the country apparently. I refuse to be nice and limit my own purchasing as I did with toilet paper... I refuse to end up in that situation again. So I bought enough beef today to feed me for at least 3 weeks. I believe I can make it last a month if I stretch it. My tiny freezer and fridge just won't hold much more, though. Maybe 2-3 days more, and I think I'll go ahead and get that much more tomorrow if possible.5 -
My grocery spending is up (Texas, USA here). Since all this started, I try to get in and out of the store and get as much at one time as possible. Also choosing from what's available, which isn't always what I planned to buy.
No messing with coupons, savings apps, sale coordinating and stopping at multiple stores for the best deals. Just been trying to keep my bandana over my nose and mouth and trying to touch as few things as possible.8 -
Prices have definitely gone up, and not by a few cents; noticeable jumps (Madison, WI). I find some items haven't been restocked in over a week--canned fruit, for example. I didn't notice other specifics but saw enough blank space on shelves to make me wonder what was up. The canned fruit was a sale item from about 2 weeks ago, I think. I'm spending less in general but more at the grocery store, and I'm a "rut" shopper--stuck in a rut, always buying the same things. I have a decent supply of low-demand goods from early on in the closures (beans, mostly), which is good b/c if there is a shortage of meat, I'm sure more folks will be going after beans. I don't buy meat or fish or poultry, so I don't know if we've seen changes there yet.0
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I'm also spending more on groceries. Eggs are about double the usual. I normally get bulk items every week and things like dried beans at first were gone and now all bulk is either missing or pre-bagged like candy. I normally make beans from scratch but aside of black beans have been buying canned. I normally go to more than one store a week for sales, I've mostly been shopping every other and limit it to one store so I've had to suck up some of the prices. My local farmer's market started putting together a produce box for pick-up and that's been an affordable option plus the produce has been amazing.
I'd been putting off getting seedlings until quarantine lifted but it's been extended so I went to the nursery yesterday. So many cars on the road, like a regular weekend afternoon. No parking at nursery, shortage of herbs and vegetable plants, probably 60% without masks, and I was about the 60th person in line. I drove by Lowes and it was crowded but not like the nursery. Seed companies and nurseries are definitely making some money this year!2 -
My grocery spending is up, because I'm buying through Instacart and paying large tips to show my appreciation. On the flip side, I'm not having to gas up my car, we're not going out to eat, I'm not going to Dunkin or Starbucks for coffee, so I think it is a wash.2
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I spent a small fortune on my first two lockdown trips to the grocery because I couldn’t buy my usual brands and had to stock up. Since then it’s been less expensive for my family since I am eating out less, but more expensive since I am also shopping for my mom. It comes out about equal.1
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I’m spending a LITTLE more at the grocery store, but a LOT less overall.
I don’t write checks except for utilities. Those are about the same.
I usually spend $300/mo on drive thrus and incidentals. Pocket money.
My credit card is usually $500-700/mo. This includes groceries.
In April I spent about $180 cash
And credit card bill is $300.
When lockdown is over, I will need to buy a lot of things. Toilet paper, of course, but also underwear, light bulbs,
Furnace filters. Things I’m just not buying when I get low. I think the first month after lockdown will be an expensive one.
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I did hear some complaining where I live about toilet paper costs going up and supermarkets profiteerring
On my usual source of reliable information - Facebook
That didnt make a big difference to my overall shop as I only buy one 6 pack anyway - however it was previously stated that the production plant in my state was doing round the clock production instead of their usual business hours.
naturally they then have to pay their staff over time and shift penalty rates and possibly have greater electricity costs if it isnt a plant that usually operates at night.
A temporary increase in cost is therefore reasonable at the buying end.
Amazingly the toilet paper shortage seems to have vanished as fast as it appeared - doing my weekly shopping on a Sat afternoon, all supermarkets/ shops in the shopping complex which usually sell TP, had plenty of it still by mid afternoon.
Woolworths now has a 4 pack per customer limit - was previously 1
4 packs! - thats up to 48 rolls - so basically you can buy as many as you want short of trolley full hoarding.
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I’m probably spending more on groceries as well—and tipping for delivery. But I’m the other hand we are not eating out at all, no “I’ll grab something and meet you at the soccer game” for my husband, no weekly donut trip or pizza delivery, etc. not to mention no cruising the Target clearance racks when I’m thee to pick up one or two things...1
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I feel ya on Target. I do love going to Target. We used to get mad at my dad when I was a kid because he would go running towards Blue Light Specials at Kmart, but now I understand.
Our spending is way WAY down. I was horrified at our last two grocery bills, but then again, we’ve only shopped twice during all this, except for a couple of short runs my husband made to Walmart when I thought he’d bust to get out of the house. We’ve done very little shopping outside of food and a few garden plants I picked up curbside after a phone order, and have done very little takeout.
I manage our neighborhood FB page, which erupted last night, after neighbors had a party in the park a couple of nights ago to celebrate the lifting of most the sanctions. It got unbelievably ugly. The stuff coming out of the mouths of people I had thought of as “nice” neighbors. The fear, angst and everything seem to reach flashpoint.13 -
I so love facebook.
And by love I mean I wouldn't touch it with your ten foot pole.
I hugged you, though.10 -
gradchica27 wrote: »I’m probably spending more on groceries as well—and tipping for delivery. But I’m the other hand we are not eating out at all, no “I’ll grab something and meet you at the soccer game” for my husband, no weekly donut trip or pizza delivery, etc. not to mention no cruising the Target clearance racks when I’m thee to pick up one or two things...
Maybe a positive from all thos is the bad habits we were forced to drop. Maybe that can be our new normal even after COVID19 has passed.6 -
There are a couple of trail races being held this month - both appear that they will be pretty small and likely we runners won't be near each other most of the time anyway. I'm a bit nervous, but thinking I might sign up. I have about a 10 days to decide before registration closes on one of them. I suppose I'll wear a mask and use hand sanitizer/ be careful as I travel and run. The thing I'm more concerned about is returning to work. I don't know yet when I will have to go back in person rather than working from home. But I know whenever I do go back, they will have screening processes in place with questions (including about travel), so I don't know if that will be a problem. Also, I don't want to end up getting sick obviously... I'm conflicted because I want to start racing again, but I know there is extra risk involved.5
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »There are a couple of trail races being held this month - both appear that they will be pretty small and likely we runners won't be near each other most of the time anyway. I'm a bit nervous, but thinking I might sign up. I have about a 10 days to decide before registration closes on one of them. I suppose I'll wear a mask and use hand sanitizer/ be careful as I travel and run. The thing I'm more concerned about is returning to work. I don't know yet when I will have to go back in person rather than working from home. But I know whenever I do go back, they will have screening processes in place with questions (including about travel), so I don't know if that will be a problem. Also, I don't want to end up getting sick obviously... I'm conflicted because I want to start racing again, but I know there is extra risk involved.
There are places doing virtual races (not quite as fun, but still something to train for). Would signing up for those help?
I have a friend who qualified and registered for the Boston Marathon that was supposed to be held last month. It's been pushed to September for now. Lots of races pushing the date or postponing.
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JustSomeEm wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »There are a couple of trail races being held this month - both appear that they will be pretty small and likely we runners won't be near each other most of the time anyway. I'm a bit nervous, but thinking I might sign up. I have about a 10 days to decide before registration closes on one of them. I suppose I'll wear a mask and use hand sanitizer/ be careful as I travel and run. The thing I'm more concerned about is returning to work. I don't know yet when I will have to go back in person rather than working from home. But I know whenever I do go back, they will have screening processes in place with questions (including about travel), so I don't know if that will be a problem. Also, I don't want to end up getting sick obviously... I'm conflicted because I want to start racing again, but I know there is extra risk involved.
There are places doing virtual races (not quite as fun, but still something to train for). Would signing up for those help?
I have a friend who qualified and registered for the Boston Marathon that was supposed to be held last month. It's been pushed to September for now. Lots of races pushing the date or postponing.
I had a marathon and 2 half marathons at the end of Mar. and early Apr. that all cancelled or postponed. But no, virtual races don't interest me. I want to do the race, but having a hard time with weighing the risk. Obviously I can take precautions as I travel for it, but still not exactly risk-free. I'm hoping to continue working from home for awhile, but that makes an impact as well. As of yet, it looks like nobody goes back until 5/18 (keeps getting delayed) and I won't likely be part of that group. I think I might talk to my boss and see if I can keep WFH into June, then no worries about inadvertently spreading it if I pick it up at a race.1 -
I am spending WAY more money on food, at least double. Normally, when my husband and I are working outside of our house, a lot of our meals are provided by our workplaces. In a typical week, we'd only have MAYBE three dinners together, and zero lunches. Now, I'm buying food for 3 meals a day, 7 days a week. It's been a project just to plan out the meals and grocery lists. We are also ordering carry-out about once a week, which is a lot more than normal.
As the weather heats up, I know I'll be spending a lot more on energy bills as well. When we are both out of the house in the summer, we turn the AC way down to save energy and money. But if we are both home, we'll keep the temperature at a comfortable level. My husband has no tolerance for heat, so I know we will be having thermostat wars in the coming weeks.
I am spending way less on gas, hair and makeup products (zero), clothes, travel, and entertainment (theatre tickets, museum and parks admission, etc).3 -
springlering62 wrote: »I manage our neighborhood FB page, which erupted last night, after neighbors had a party in the park a couple of nights ago to celebrate the lifting of most the sanctions. It got unbelievably ugly. The stuff coming out of the mouths of people I had thought of as “nice” neighbors. The fear, angst and everything seem to reach flashpoint.
You’re brave to manage a neighborhood FB page! I have been biting my tongue so hard it might be severed over the last two weeks. My city has not lifted restrictions (well, today it starts, and even so it’s limited and no gatherings over 10, must maintain distance, etc). All 3 houses on my little cove (so half) have been having pool parties, kids playing big games of frisbee in the street, etc. definitely over 10, definitely not all from one household.
Meanwhile I’m telling my children they can’t see friends bc we’re not allowed gatherings bc of COVID, over the noise of the 20 teens at the pool behind us, and that they can’t play football/basketball with the neighbor one street over bc they shouldn’t be touching stuff or be too close. Instead they are both wearing gloves, putting baseball cards they want to trade into plastic baggies and quarantining them for 5 days before opening, and staying far away from each other. While watching the HS kid across the street play b-ball with his buddies. Sigh.19 -
No parties around me. Lots of people out with nicer weather, but lots of masks, decent social distancing, although I think it's not as good in the popular parks. Other neighborhoods are apparently not doing so much, as there have been numerous big house parties broken up. New policy is to fine those having house parties $5000 and tow the cars of party-goers.
On a personal level I've heard of people doing things like teaming up with another family who have been social distancing responsibly so families can share the burden. I think that seems reasonable and pretty much safe.7 -
I think the idea of choosing another household to include in your inner circle (be it a neighbor, family, or close friends) is a good one, if you all agree to be faithful to social distancing beyond that. Of course some people won't be happy with that and will choose 2 or 3, who will also choose 2 or 3, and so on and so forth. But it's a start... People are going to people no matter what.No parties around me. Lots of people out with nicer weather, but lots of masks, decent social distancing, although I think it's not as good in the popular parks. Other neighborhoods are apparently not doing so much, as there have been numerous big house parties broken up. New policy is to fine those having house parties $5000 and tow the cars of party-goers.
On a personal level I've heard of people doing things like teaming up with another family who have been social distancing responsibly so families can share the burden. I think that seems reasonable and pretty much safe.6 -
No parties around me. Lots of people out with nicer weather, but lots of masks, decent social distancing, although I think it's not as good in the popular parks. Other neighborhoods are apparently not doing so much, as there have been numerous big house parties broken up. New policy is to fine those having house parties $5000 and tow the cars of party-goers.
On a personal level I've heard of people doing things like teaming up with another family who have been social distancing responsibly so families can share the burden. I think that seems reasonable and pretty much safe.
That sounds reasonable to me as well—we started that with one family the two weeks before full quarantine, then went full hermit. We may consider re opening in that way, though since my husband is still working in the office & in the hospital (physician, but a specialty that isn’t on the front lines of seeing Covid patients), we’re the weak link. Still concerned that our younger kids won’t be able to kee themselves from being up in other kids’ business after being alone so long! Plus the older kids pretty much live for contact sports with friends...ugh, the whole re entry into society feels is so fraught with what ifs.11 -
gradchica27 wrote: »springlering62 wrote: »I manage our neighborhood FB page, which erupted last night, after neighbors had a party in the park a couple of nights ago to celebrate the lifting of most the sanctions. It got unbelievably ugly. The stuff coming out of the mouths of people I had thought of as “nice” neighbors. The fear, angst and everything seem to reach flashpoint.
You’re brave to manage a neighborhood FB page! I have been biting my tongue so hard it might be severed over the last two weeks. My city has not lifted restrictions (well, today it starts, and even so it’s limited and no gatherings over 10, must maintain distance, etc). All 3 houses on my little cove (so half) have been having pool parties, kids playing big games of frisbee in the street, etc. definitely over 10, definitely not all from one household.
Meanwhile I’m telling my children they can’t see friends bc we’re not allowed gatherings bc of COVID, over the noise of the 20 teens at the pool behind us, and that they can’t play football/basketball with the neighbor one street over bc they shouldn’t be touching stuff or be too close. Instead they are both wearing gloves, putting baseball cards they want to trade into plastic baggies and quarantining them for 5 days before opening, and staying far away from each other. While watching the HS kid across the street play b-ball with his buddies. Sigh.
Ouch!! That's one of the joys of being a parent. It's hard being the only one doing what's right.8
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