Coronavirus prep
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For those comparing to flu deaths, those flu deaths are inflated:
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/2 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Things are looking promising here. It has been a few days since the last new case. 2-4 cases daily, all are either children who are already at the hospital with their sick parents or import drivers who test positive at the border before entering the country (but mostly drivers).
Most things are open now under strict sanitation and distancing rules (even non-essentials). There aren't any plans to open gathering places yet (churches, mosques, wedding venues, clubs...etc). Restaurants are all open for delivery and pickup. Almost half the provinces are almost back to life as usual and can drive freely. The rest can drive but with restrictions. Cars with an even plate number drive one day, and cars with an odd number drive the next. No more than 2 people in one car. Public transport is now also open at 30% capacity.
People are...well... people. They're not distancing as much as they should be. It's Ramadan and they're flooding to buy food without any regard for safety. Some places are better organized than others - we've been buying and freezing bread once every 10 or so days to avoid crowds at bread bakeries and buying our vegetables at the grocery store (more expensive) because produce stores are less organized. I used to get upset at people, but I feel less upset now, probably because it's looking good right now. I have resigned to "people are people, and will keep doing what people do"
This is what concerns me. I think we could reasonably safely open up a lot of businesses, if people were just capable of continuing to obey social distancing advisories. They had a piece on "60 Minutes" yesterday of an automobile plant that has retooled to produce ventilators, and they have erected plastic barriers between work stations, everyone was wearing masks, and they had smart watches that buzzed if they got within six feet of another smart watch (also storing data on what watches they were near, for future contact tracing if necessary). And the company is doing all that because people are people, and if you don't have systems in place to stop them, they're going to go back to their old ways of swapping germs and not washing their hands.
They are adding a mask requirement for indoor shopping and places where you can't maintain 6 ft of separation, but opening up some of the closed outdoor areas and then adding as new essential businesses "greenhouses, garden centers and nurseries" (many of which were already doing business through curbside and delivery, and Home Depot was open). "These stores must follow social distancing requirements and must require that employees and customers wear a face covering."
"Animal grooming services may also re-open," and "[r]etail stores not designated as non-essential businesses and operations may re-open to fulfill telephone and online orders through pick-up outside the store and delivery."
This seems reasonable to me. However, a politician downstate sued to prevent the order from applying to him, so clearly others disagree. I don't think a majority, and I get the impression the police here are enforcing the orders and concerned for their own safety in that they are on the front lines of having to deal with people who may have the virus and are not compliant. (Mostly enforcement is ticketing and breaking things up.)
To clarify, I have concerns far short of intentional violations of restrictions.
I think there's a difference between effective social distancing and nominal, perfunctory compliance with the bare letter of restrictions. I don't have a lot of faith that folks wearing homemade cloth masks and bandanas (not their fault -- that's what's available), touching their faces right over their mouths and noses about every 20 seconds (based on my observations of folks in essential businesses and out walking -- I've even seen this in interviews with medical personnel on local news), mistaking three feet for six feet, not comprehending that talking when you're standing that close to someone presents increased risk, just as sneezing or coughing does .... I don't have a lot of faith with that as our baseline, that lifting restrictions with rules about social distancing will lead to effective social distancing.
Not sure why this is the response to my post, but I will say that I don't think people are mistaking 6 ft for 3, and most of the time in my neighborhood I see 6 ft of distancing, and it's easy outside.
Masks are a mixed bag, of course.
I really don't see a big deal with opening up curbside pickup and most outdoor spaces.
The issue with violations of social distancing aren't people mistaking 6 ft for 3 ft, but people who, for whatever reason, don't care at all, like a crazy huge house party that was shut down here or people trying to make points for social media. I don't get it, but it's happening.
I had posted expressing doubts about people's ability to comply with social distancing constraints that government officials at all levels keep emphasizing should be followed even as businesses reopen. You responded to my post with one about (1) what the rules are in your area and (2) people who are actively opposing the rules. I wanted to clarify that I wasn't talking about either of those things -- I don't think the biggest problem is what the specific rules are or people who are actively opposing the rules but the large majority of people who will things think rules are a good idea, but just not for them right now in this particular situation. Or that situation. "Yes, of course we need to keep safe, but it's not going to be a problem if I just go over to a friend's house for a few drinks with them and one other person from one other household ... It's been a tough time being apart from everybody for so long. Just one evening isn't a big deal."
In effect, my whole last post was my explanation of why I wasn't sure what your response had to do with my post, or to clarify what I meant if my earlier post was being misunderstood as being about people actively protesting against rules.
Okay. I misunderstood your prior post.
Mine was intended to say that the rules had been loosened as you suggested could work and that I thought it was going to, as I see most following the rules -- certainly most who care at all.
I do disagree with the notion that people cannot comply with social distancing.
Unfortunately I think social distancing is going to kill my BIL's mother. She's 92 and lives in a senior living facility (associated with but not in the same building as a nursing home). Due to the virus, no visitors and in the last few weeks they have closed the cafeteria and residents are served meals in their rooms. Also they have restricted residents from walking the halls and visiting with their neighbors.
The woman has been a people person all her life. She worked a full time job up until age 90 because she wanted to be around people, no need for the $. When my BIL calls she cries on the phone most days.
Pretty sad.
That's terrible, but a difficult situation all around.
There's a woman in assisted care near here somewhere who has dealt with her isolation by getting really involved in my alderman's efforts to reach out to the neighborhood -- she was participating in calling other residents of the ward and in some of the other groups created (most of which are remotely done, but for delivering supplies to people who can't get them, which of course she can't do). She's not actually a resident of my ward, but just decided she likes my alderman.
It seemed like they were on lockdown -- no one in or out -- but could interact with each other.6 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »
Now that doctors are seeing patients it seems like twice as many cars were on the road today. I made an 80 mile trip to the optometrist to rule out a detached retina before I do much tractor work and thankful it is just a vitreous detachment that is normal but can pull and tear the retina if the separation is suddenly. The flashing lights of the last week have really slowed down.
I went to the optometrist for the same thing a couple of months ago. It is scary when you suddenly start seeing all the flashing lights and floaters. Like yours, my doctor said to just monitor it and if it gets suddenly worse, get surgery asap, but if it stays the same, don't worry.8 -
I was worried about going to the grocery store this morning...the local news kept talking about meat shortages, which causes people to panic-buy...again.
I was happy to see that they were fully stocked in the meat department. I bought just a few extra things for the freezer in case it does get bad next week...I didn't want to go crazy and contribute to the problem. Usually, I buy what I need for the week, but today bought a 2-week supply.
Yeah, I know we would all survive without meat, but we're a little limited in our diet right now. My husband is trying to figure out the source of his stomach issues, so he's on a Low-FODMAP, gluten-free thing right now. No beans or pasta...boo.8 -
I got my groceries delivered this time (and tipped very well!) due to my stocking up a little on dried beans.
I now have about double the amount of dried beans, lentils, and rice that I would usually have (which is only an "emergency bag" of each- I live in hurricane territory, it's what I've always done). I snagged a bag of frozen chicken thighs, and some ground turkey and sausage. I didn't buy a lot more meat than I would use in a week, so I wouldn't contribute to the problem.
TP wise, I'm going to go out sometime in the next few days to see if I can find any. And if I can't, I'll order some industrial sized from somewhere. No shame in my game.
I also thought about getting disinfecting wipes, but instead just made bleach solution to use. Cheaper, easier to get bleach than disinfecting wipes, and I've got lots of empty spray bottles I've been keeping for a rainy day.6 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »I was worried about going to the grocery store this morning...the local news kept talking about meat shortages, which causes people to panic-buy...again.
I was happy to see that they were fully stocked in the meat department. I bought just a few extra things for the freezer in case it does get bad next week...I didn't want to go crazy and contribute to the problem. Usually, I buy what I need for the week, but today bought a 2-week supply.
Yeah, I know we would all survive without meat, but we're a little limited in our diet right now. My husband is trying to figure out the source of his stomach issues, so he's on a Low-FODMAP, gluten-free thing right now. No beans or pasta...boo.
As someone who only eats meat, my gut biome would take a long time to adapt to plants. My BG would suffer too. I would probably survive without meat, but would feel bad and spend a lot of time on the toilet. Speaking of which, I did what you did as the TP hoarding was starting. I only bought 2 packs of regular sized 4-packs. This was when the limit was 4 packs per customer of any size. I should have bought 4 of the biggest pack possible rather than 2 of the smallest possible. Now I am regretting being nice. I will try to avoid the same issue with food.
ETA: I found some TP online last night at an online vitamin store and hope to have it in the next week. I bought 3 big (12 roll) packs and refuse to feel bad about it. Won't celebrate until it arrives, though7 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »I was worried about going to the grocery store this morning...the local news kept talking about meat shortages, which causes people to panic-buy...again.
I was happy to see that they were fully stocked in the meat department. I bought just a few extra things for the freezer in case it does get bad next week...I didn't want to go crazy and contribute to the problem. Usually, I buy what I need for the week, but today bought a 2-week supply.
Yeah, I know we would all survive without meat, but we're a little limited in our diet right now. My husband is trying to figure out the source of his stomach issues, so he's on a Low-FODMAP, gluten-free thing right now. No beans or pasta...boo.
As someone who only eats meat, my gut biome would take a long time to adapt to plants. My BG would suffer too. I would probably survive without meat, but would feel bad and spend a lot of time on the toilet. Speaking of which, I did what you did as the TP hoarding was starting. I only bought 2 packs of regular sized 4-packs. This was when the limit was 4 packs per customer of any size. I should have bought 4 of the biggest pack possible rather than 2 of the smallest possible. Now I am regretting being nice. I will try to avoid the same issue with food.
ETA: I found some TP online last night at an online vitamin store and hope to have it in the next week. I bought 3 big (12 roll) packs and refuse to feel bad about it. Won't celebrate until it arrives, though
Yeah, as a diabetic who relies on a low carb diet for health, I’m not enchanted with the thought of meat shortages. Most of the plant-based protein sources such as legumes really spike me. It’s nice to be able to relax and fill up on meat without having to worry about my blood sugar. At least so far no one has hinted at fish shortages, we are planning on eating a lot of salmon and tuna. And I figure the foreign markets will continue to have locally-butchered meats Americans don’t eat as much of such as lamb and goat.
We’re headed to pick up from the grocery, I wonder how much of our list we will be getting.4 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Things are starting to go a little sideways for the mayor of Grants, NM...He has repeatedly called the governor a Nazi and the state police her Gestapo...and at the same time he's firing anyone employed by the town that won't go back to work in defiance of the governor's stay at home order, including the golf course manager who initially opened up, but was cited by the state police and afterwards refused to open the golf course...you're fired!
I can actually see being a bit rebellious here and being a mayor of a small rural town and wanting to open things up...but when you start canning people who want to be consistent with state orders, you're just creating a *kitten* storm for yourself. He's going to end up with lawsuits so far up his *kitten*, he won't know what to do. Not a particularly bright individual.
Is it a public golf course? I mean, it seems weird that every job in town is subject to firing by the mayor?
It is a city course, it's the only one in town.
Grants was once a booming little town when the uranium mines were in operation, but these days, the vast majority are employed by either the "city" or the county. There are a few little restaurants and shops and a couple hotels mostly used by truckers, but that's about it. It's been a dying town for a long time, and I'm frankly surprised it isn't a complete ghost town at this point.4 -
rheddmobile wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »I was worried about going to the grocery store this morning...the local news kept talking about meat shortages, which causes people to panic-buy...again.
I was happy to see that they were fully stocked in the meat department. I bought just a few extra things for the freezer in case it does get bad next week...I didn't want to go crazy and contribute to the problem. Usually, I buy what I need for the week, but today bought a 2-week supply.
Yeah, I know we would all survive without meat, but we're a little limited in our diet right now. My husband is trying to figure out the source of his stomach issues, so he's on a Low-FODMAP, gluten-free thing right now. No beans or pasta...boo.
As someone who only eats meat, my gut biome would take a long time to adapt to plants. My BG would suffer too. I would probably survive without meat, but would feel bad and spend a lot of time on the toilet. Speaking of which, I did what you did as the TP hoarding was starting. I only bought 2 packs of regular sized 4-packs. This was when the limit was 4 packs per customer of any size. I should have bought 4 of the biggest pack possible rather than 2 of the smallest possible. Now I am regretting being nice. I will try to avoid the same issue with food.
ETA: I found some TP online last night at an online vitamin store and hope to have it in the next week. I bought 3 big (12 roll) packs and refuse to feel bad about it. Won't celebrate until it arrives, though
Yeah, as a diabetic who relies on a low carb diet for health, I’m not enchanted with the thought of meat shortages. Most of the plant-based protein sources such as legumes really spike me. It’s nice to be able to relax and fill up on meat without having to worry about my blood sugar. At least so far no one has hinted at fish shortages, we are planning on eating a lot of salmon and tuna. And I figure the foreign markets will continue to have locally-butchered meats Americans don’t eat as much of such as lamb and goat.
We’re headed to pick up from the grocery, I wonder how much of our list we will be getting.
A lot of plant based protein (nuts and legumes) have a lot of carbs along with the protein. In addition, many of these foods are not complete proteins. Many (often vegans, but not exclusively) like to argue that you can use that protein from incomplete sources as long as you get a complete set of amino acids in sum total throughout a day or week. My observation from when I ate plants (and if I ever eat pork rinds, an incomplete protein animal source) is that the amino acids do not just hang out in my gut or blood stream waiting around. I get about 1-2 hours before gluconeogenesis occurs. This is true if the components for protein synthesis are not available. As a type 1, that means I need to manage both protein and insulin for that to occur. Those who make enough insulin, including most type 2's, only need to manage the protein side. You may still be getting BG spikes due to gluconeogenesis after a lack of conplete protein. Some of it also could be from the carbs that come in nuts and legumes.2 -
My sister's dh is hitting the moderate decline stage in his Alzheimer's journey and it's been a sudden change, very unexpected because it happened overnight. It's never a good time for it to happen but with our local agencies not offering the respite services they were before this all started, it's been terrible on my sister.
He has become hyperactive(hardly ever stopping) and delusional. Her days are spent following him around, putting things back that's he's hauled out, etc. One night she actually slept(she usually doesn't )for a few hours straight. She got up and found he'd been busy unloading the kitchen contents all into their living room. So when she spoke with his doctor they suggested she bring him to the hospital and maybe look into placing him into a home. When she asked if she'd be able to visit him and they said no, she adamantly refused. So in the meantime, she's slowly killing herself. I'm helping as much as she'll let me but.......... 22 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »For the first time in a few weeks I went to WM this evening. They had a selection of a few different brands of paper towels and TP;and good stock but not all the brands they normally carry. The optional foods like chicken, pork and beef were wiped out after the news media talk of a lock down of meat plants. Corn is being planted and the farmers are sad because demand for corn for cars is down. We may be eating a lot of corn flitters if meat goes off line.
On a sad note I went by to pay the rent for the guy that I am his guardian that lives in an assisted living home for the past 25 years after his mom pasted. He is 76 and has COPD and one resident tested positive for COVID-19 today. He grew up without hearing so he did not develop speech or go to school. He is bright and watches TV so I expect he kind of knows what is going one. I have a former neighbor that lives there as well who is 96. Like another home near here it will sweep every hall in time I expect. They have been locked down for a month expecting something to happen.
I am going to try and be nice so maybe my son or daughter will let me have a tiny house in the back yard when I get near my end.
Now that doctors are seeing patients it seems like twice as many cars were on the road today. I made an 80 mile trip to the optometrist to rule out a detached retina before I do much tractor work and thankful it is just a vitreous detachment that is normal but can pull and tear the retina if the separation is suddenly. The flashing lights of the last week have really slowed down.
GaleH, I had the vitreous detachment thing going on a year or so ago. It was scary because I've never had issues like that. But after it fully detached(that, in itself, sounds freaky because aren't things supposed to hold together?? Lol), it's been fine. Good luck with yours and hopefully it'll settle down for you.
Thanks for share because it tends to freak one out.
In my case I first thought the green flashes were from my Com Pilot hanging around my neck for my blue tooth hearing aids. As the flashing become more visual in brighter light I became concerned about a retina tear may be developing or had happen. I refreshed my mind the condition and was quite sure it was a vitreous detachment in progress but knew a blow or heavy lifting could cause the traction on the retina and could lead to a tear. I never had the curtain blowing in a breeze symptom of a torn retina but for the last two years Joe had been questioning me hard about seeing flashes and knew he would not be happy if I ignored it.
Actually the vitreous detachment is normal with aging but normally it occurs over many years so there is no flashing, etc so we never know about it. Near sighted people tend to be at higher risk of retina tears we read.
I think of it as old contact paper we put on a wall, cabinet, etc that starts to curl at the seams. If we remove it slowly instead of with a jerk often it will come off completely and not tear or pull a layer of old paint/paper that may be under it that would be the layer of brain material called the retina.
The flashes are coming less often and I am going to take it easy until they stop completely.5 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »I was worried about going to the grocery store this morning...the local news kept talking about meat shortages, which causes people to panic-buy...again.
I was happy to see that they were fully stocked in the meat department. I bought just a few extra things for the freezer in case it does get bad next week...I didn't want to go crazy and contribute to the problem. Usually, I buy what I need for the week, but today bought a 2-week supply.
Yeah, I know we would all survive without meat, but we're a little limited in our diet right now. My husband is trying to figure out the source of his stomach issues, so he's on a Low-FODMAP, gluten-free thing right now. No beans or pasta...boo.
As someone who only eats meat, my gut biome would take a long time to adapt to plants. My BG would suffer too. I would probably survive without meat, but would feel bad and spend a lot of time on the toilet. Speaking of which, I did what you did as the TP hoarding was starting. I only bought 2 packs of regular sized 4-packs. This was when the limit was 4 packs per customer of any size. I should have bought 4 of the biggest pack possible rather than 2 of the smallest possible. Now I am regretting being nice. I will try to avoid the same issue with food.
ETA: I found some TP online last night at an online vitamin store and hope to have it in the next week. I bought 3 big (12 roll) packs and refuse to feel bad about it. Won't celebrate until it arrives, though
Yeah, as a diabetic who relies on a low carb diet for health, I’m not enchanted with the thought of meat shortages. Most of the plant-based protein sources such as legumes really spike me. It’s nice to be able to relax and fill up on meat without having to worry about my blood sugar. At least so far no one has hinted at fish shortages, we are planning on eating a lot of salmon and tuna. And I figure the foreign markets will continue to have locally-butchered meats Americans don’t eat as much of such as lamb and goat.
We’re headed to pick up from the grocery, I wonder how much of our list we will be getting.
A lot of plant based protein (nuts and legumes) have a lot of carbs along with the protein. In addition, many of these foods are not complete proteins. Many (often vegans, but not exclusively) like to argue that you can use that protein from incomplete sources as long as you get a complete set of amino acids in sum total throughout a day or week. My observation from when I ate plants (and if I ever eat pork rinds, an incomplete protein animal source) is that the amino acids do not just hang out in my gut or blood stream waiting around. I get about 1-2 hours before gluconeogenesis occurs. This is true if the components for protein synthesis are not available. As a type 1, that means I need to manage both protein and insulin for that to occur. Those who make enough insulin, including most type 2's, only need to manage the protein side. You may still be getting BG spikes due to gluconeogenesis after a lack of conplete protein. Some of it also could be from the carbs that come in nuts and legumes.
For the past 5 years I have been keeping a few months supply of tuna in olive oil since I hate shopping because in the 4 pack it is often gone before I get there even in normal times. Since I am in town 10 times a week typically I eat two 1/4 pound patties for fresh ground beef from McDonald's often but I will not be surprised if their suppliers stop bringing it to the stores. In fact they have already cut many items from the menu and a lot of staff have left so I am training new ones that they do have an A la carte menu. If the fresh beef goes away I will drop back to the 1/6 frozen patties. I find I have to say "1 slash 4" instead of saying quart pounder patties so they can find it on the menu screen.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »For the first time in a few weeks I went to WM this evening. They had a selection of a few different brands of paper towels and TP;and good stock but not all the brands they normally carry. The optional foods like chicken, pork and beef were wiped out after the news media talk of a lock down of meat plants. Corn is being planted and the farmers are sad because demand for corn for cars is down. We may be eating a lot of corn flitters if meat goes off line.
On a sad note I went by to pay the rent for the guy that I am his guardian that lives in an assisted living home for the past 25 years after his mom pasted. He is 76 and has COPD and one resident tested positive for COVID-19 today. He grew up without hearing so he did not develop speech or go to school. He is bright and watches TV so I expect he kind of knows what is going one. I have a former neighbor that lives there as well who is 96. Like another home near here it will sweep every hall in time I expect. They have been locked down for a month expecting something to happen.
I am going to try and be nice so maybe my son or daughter will let me have a tiny house in the back yard when I get near my end.
Now that doctors are seeing patients it seems like twice as many cars were on the road today. I made an 80 mile trip to the optometrist to rule out a detached retina before I do much tractor work and thankful it is just a vitreous detachment that is normal but can pull and tear the retina if the separation is suddenly. The flashing lights of the last week have really slowed down.
GaleH, I had the vitreous detachment thing going on a year or so ago. It was scary because I've never had issues like that. But after it fully detached(that, in itself, sounds freaky because aren't things supposed to hold together?? Lol), it's been fine. Good luck with yours and hopefully it'll settle down for you.
Thanks for share because it tends to freak one out.
In my case I first thought the green flashes were from my Com Pilot hanging around my neck for my blue tooth hearing aids. As the flashing become more visual in brighter light I became concerned about a retina tear may be developing or had happen. I refreshed my mind the condition and was quite sure it was a vitreous detachment in progress but knew a blow or heavy lifting could cause the traction on the retina and could lead to a tear. I never had the curtain blowing in a breeze symptom of a torn retina but for the last two years Joe had been questioning me hard about seeing flashes and knew he would not be happy if I ignored it.
Actually the vitreous detachment is normal with aging but normally it occurs over many years so there is no flashing, etc so we never know about it. Near sighted people tend to be at higher risk of retina tears we read.
I think of it as old contact paper we put on a wall, cabinet, etc that starts to curl at the seams. If we remove it slowly instead of with a jerk often it will come off completely and not tear or pull a layer of old paint/paper that may be under it that would be the layer of brain material called the retina.
The flashes are coming less often and I am going to take it easy until they stop completely.
WARNING: Semi-graphic medical details coming.
Major digression from point of thread, but: Another potential complication (besides retinal detachment) is having the vitreous detachment tear & bleed into the vitreous. This happened to each of my eyes, a little over a month apart. At first, it looked like dark droplets swimming around, like some kind of evil snow-globe, then it can get worse (more solid) depending on severity. If you start seeing dark dots or waves, see your retinologist. (I had a laser procedure to stop the bleeding in one eye, a cryo procedure on the other - difference because of tear location. Done while awake, and moderately sub-recreational. Essential, though.)
How long for the blood to clear also depends on details. My first eye cleared pretty well in a month or so (just in time for the other eye to fail 🙄). The other one was super slow to clear, pretty much 100% blocked for weeks (vitrectomy surgery to clear it was an option; didn't want that). I was legally blind in that eye (mostly from the blood obscuring vision, though slowly clearing) for almost 2 years, over which time I developed a cataract that obscured vision in that eye in a different way (possibly from them messing with that eye so much) - hard to tell when the cataract vs. the blood accounted for the vision impairment. Removal of the cataract on that side got the vision in that eye back in legal range again, but several years later, there's still some floaty stuff.
Bottom line: If dots, spots, or waves appear, go to retinologist immediately. The less blood swimming around in your eye, the better.
Apologies for the diversion from coronavirus topics, folks! 😬 Hope you'll forgive. :flowerforyou:11 -
My sister's dh is hitting the moderate decline stage in his Alzheimer's journey and it's been a sudden change, very unexpected because it happened overnight. It's never a good time for it to happen but with our local agencies not offering the respite services they were before this all started, it's been terrible on my sister. He has become hyperactive(hardly ever stopping) and delusional. Her days are spent following him around, putting things back that's he's hauled out, etc. One night she actually slept(she usually doesn't )for a few hours straight. She got up and found he'd been busy unloading the kitchen contents all into their living room. So when she spoke with his doctor they suggested she bring him to the hospital and maybe look into placing him into a home. When she asked if she'd be able to visit him and they said no, she adamantly refused. So in the meantime, she's slowly killing herself. I'm helping as much as she'll let me but..........
With an overnight change, I'd be questioning the possibility of something else going on, like a UTI.7 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »I was worried about going to the grocery store this morning...the local news kept talking about meat shortages, which causes people to panic-buy...again.
I was happy to see that they were fully stocked in the meat department. I bought just a few extra things for the freezer in case it does get bad next week...I didn't want to go crazy and contribute to the problem. Usually, I buy what I need for the week, but today bought a 2-week supply.
Yeah, I know we would all survive without meat, but we're a little limited in our diet right now. My husband is trying to figure out the source of his stomach issues, so he's on a Low-FODMAP, gluten-free thing right now. No beans or pasta...boo.
As someone who only eats meat, my gut biome would take a long time to adapt to plants. My BG would suffer too. I would probably survive without meat, but would feel bad and spend a lot of time on the toilet. Speaking of which, I did what you did as the TP hoarding was starting. I only bought 2 packs of regular sized 4-packs. This was when the limit was 4 packs per customer of any size. I should have bought 4 of the biggest pack possible rather than 2 of the smallest possible. Now I am regretting being nice. I will try to avoid the same issue with food.
ETA: I found some TP online last night at an online vitamin store and hope to have it in the next week. I bought 3 big (12 roll) packs and refuse to feel bad about it. Won't celebrate until it arrives, though
Yeah, as a diabetic who relies on a low carb diet for health, I’m not enchanted with the thought of meat shortages. Most of the plant-based protein sources such as legumes really spike me. It’s nice to be able to relax and fill up on meat without having to worry about my blood sugar. At least so far no one has hinted at fish shortages, we are planning on eating a lot of salmon and tuna. And I figure the foreign markets will continue to have locally-butchered meats Americans don’t eat as much of such as lamb and goat.
We’re headed to pick up from the grocery, I wonder how much of our list we will be getting.
A lot of plant based protein (nuts and legumes) have a lot of carbs along with the protein. In addition, many of these foods are not complete proteins. Many (often vegans, but not exclusively) like to argue that you can use that protein from incomplete sources as long as you get a complete set of amino acids in sum total throughout a day or week. My observation from when I ate plants (and if I ever eat pork rinds, an incomplete protein animal source) is that the amino acids do not just hang out in my gut or blood stream waiting around. I get about 1-2 hours before gluconeogenesis occurs. This is true if the components for protein synthesis are not available. As a type 1, that means I need to manage both protein and insulin for that to occur. Those who make enough insulin, including most type 2's, only need to manage the protein side. You may still be getting BG spikes due to gluconeogenesis after a lack of conplete protein. Some of it also could be from the carbs that come in nuts and legumes.
For the past 5 years I have been keeping a few months supply of tuna in olive oil since I hate shopping because in the 4 pack it is often gone before I get there even in normal times. Since I am in town 10 times a week typically I eat two 1/4 pound patties for fresh ground beef from McDonald's often but I will not be surprised if their suppliers stop bringing it to the stores. In fact they have already cut many items from the menu and a lot of staff have left so I am training new ones that they do have an A la carte menu. If the fresh beef goes away I will drop back to the 1/6 frozen patties. I find I have to say "1 slash 4" instead of saying quart pounder patties so they can find it on the menu screen.
Ah, you know about the "a la carte" menu also. I don't mind showing them how to ring it up since it saves me about $20 compared to buying a whole burger and having them manually remove everything individually (I normally eat 4 quarter lb. patties). Where I get annoyed is when someone (usually a manager) tries to suggest I use the self-serve kiosk and tries to argue with me when I tell them I can't enter what I want on those.
On thread topic, I sure hope they don't run out of beef. But like I said earlier, I am not going to be nice about beef like I was about TP. I'm so annoyed with hoarders. The old saying is: "fool me once..." you all know it.5 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »My sister's dh is hitting the moderate decline stage in his Alzheimer's journey and it's been a sudden change, very unexpected because it happened overnight. It's never a good time for it to happen but with our local agencies not offering the respite services they were before this all started, it's been terrible on my sister. He has become hyperactive(hardly ever stopping) and delusional. Her days are spent following him around, putting things back that's he's hauled out, etc. One night she actually slept(she usually doesn't )for a few hours straight. She got up and found he'd been busy unloading the kitchen contents all into their living room. So when she spoke with his doctor they suggested she bring him to the hospital and maybe look into placing him into a home. When she asked if she'd be able to visit him and they said no, she adamantly refused. So in the meantime, she's slowly killing herself. I'm helping as much as she'll let me but..........
With an overnight change, I'd be questioning the possibility of something else going on, like a UTI.
It's interesting that you mention this. My MIL had dementia. Her short term memory was shot, but she still remembered people and past memories. She had an episode where she was hallucinating and talking to people from her past who weren't there. Turned out she had a UTI. She did much better after treatment.9 -
It's interesting hearing about different product shortages. The main store I go to is completely out of TP, paper towels, and napkins, I have yet to see them since this started. Two weeks ago at least half the people weren't wearing masks or social distancing. I usually get a lot of bulk items and things like beans aren't there and other stuff like bulk candies are portioned in 1lb bags. Most bagged beans and soup are gone. Weirdly they're completely out of garlic and the cashier said they can't keep it in stock.2
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I finally found some TP online last night and it is on the way. Then today, the store magically has it again for the first time in about 6 weeks.. That is how it works, I suppose.9
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It's interesting hearing about different product shortages. The main store I go to is completely out of TP, paper towels, and napkins, I have yet to see them since this started. Two weeks ago at least half the people weren't wearing masks or social distancing. I usually get a lot of bulk items and things like beans aren't there and other stuff like bulk candies are portioned in 1lb bags. Most bagged beans and soup are gone. Weirdly they're completely out of garlic and the cashier said they can't keep it in stock.
A lot of 'herbalists' tout garlic as an immune-booster. I think there may actually be some research to back that up - I *think* I remember an article about research finding that chicken noodle soup actually works as a medicine, and I think garlic may have figured in there somehow.
ETA: Found the article, but no mention of garlic: https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/chicken-noodle-soup-really-can-help-when-youre-sick
But here is an article about garlic helping to fight cold and flu: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/garlic-fights-colds-and-flu2 -
JustSomeEm wrote: »It's interesting hearing about different product shortages. The main store I go to is completely out of TP, paper towels, and napkins, I have yet to see them since this started. Two weeks ago at least half the people weren't wearing masks or social distancing. I usually get a lot of bulk items and things like beans aren't there and other stuff like bulk candies are portioned in 1lb bags. Most bagged beans and soup are gone. Weirdly they're completely out of garlic and the cashier said they can't keep it in stock.
A lot of 'herbalists' tout garlic as an immune-booster. I think there may actually be some research to back that up - I *think* I remember an article about research finding that chicken noodle soup actually works as a medicine, and I think garlic may have figured in there somehow.
ETA: Found the article, but no mention of garlic: https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/chicken-noodle-soup-really-can-help-when-youre-sick
But here is an article about garlic helping to fight cold and flu: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/garlic-fights-colds-and-flu
Garlic can also thin the blood, which is an important consideration for some people. Several good things about it here:
https://examine.com/supplements/garlic/2 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I finally found some TP online last night and it is on the way. Then today, the store magically has it again for the first time in about 6 weeks.. That is how it works, I suppose.
OMG I HOPE YOU PICKED SOME UP AT THAT STORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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cmriverside wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I finally found some TP online last night and it is on the way. Then today, the store magically has it again for the first time in about 6 weeks.. That is how it works, I suppose.
OMG I HOPE YOU PICKED SOME UP AT THAT STORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yes, I did! They were limiting to 2 packs, and I bought just 1... but it was the big 12 roll mega size pack. I sure hope I don't regret only getting 1.7 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I finally found some TP online last night and it is on the way. Then today, the store magically has it again for the first time in about 6 weeks.. That is how it works, I suppose.
OMG I HOPE YOU PICKED SOME UP AT THAT STORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yes, I did! They were limiting to 2 packs, and I bought just 1... but it was the big 12 roll mega size pack. I sure hope I don't regret only getting 1.
I had that question a couple weeks ago when I finally found some TP and only bought a package (not that I was allowed anymore)...our shelves are now pretty much returning to normal and things like TP are readily available most places...even weird places like the local farm and tractor mercantile.
Costco here in ABQ has TP stocked up where it normally is in a big corner of the store and also up and down aisles throughout the store...I've seen similar at Target and our grocery store we usually go to. I have to think that pendulum swung another way...they have incredible supply and after the hoarding there is limited demand as people that didn't get in on the initial hoarding and they aren't going to hoard are just shopping for their regular TP supply and the hoarders are set for about 10 years.
Costco isn't taking any returns right now, but there was a local news story here about a guy that bought around $2K worth of TP at Costco to sell on Ebay for a profit and now he's sitting on a bunch of inventory since authorities have come down on him for profiteering...tried to return...nope!10 -
Looking for positives: a movie theater owner is renovating the old drive-in that closed 7 years ago. I hope the town supports him and uses it a lot this summer.10
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The shelves at my local Aldi today - some meat available, but inventory definitely has taken a hit (sign says “due to supply constraints some fresh meat items are not available. Please check our frozen section for additional options.”). I bought a couple packs of chicken, and some sausage and bacon (we have a couple hundred pounds of beef in the freezer). $400 more in groceries today, blah. Shopping for my growing family of 6 every two weeks instead of weekly is a pain! And trying to navigate an unfamiliar store with directional arrows is not a fun venture!! Stopped at a Food Lion for some more specialty items (my daughters, 9 & 11 have taken up cooking/baking... and candy making! Taffy was yesterday’s experiment). I rarely go in there for anything more than ice cream... it was beyond frustrating.
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I had the same Kroger experience I’ve had in the past - half my list was unavailable according to the pickup order, then when my husband went in, most of it was right there on shelves. Still no cleaning products, of course.
The meat section was pretty empty, though. Only one packet of chicken thighs in the whole store. No steaks except one porterhouse and a number of giant packages full of more steak than we could eat in a month. I read an article that said meat packers are trying to market larger packages with larger cuts of meat because it reduces the amount of work and increases their production capacity. No lamb chops - I guess I was mistaken when I thought Americans wouldn’t buy enough lamb to run short.
Still plenty of fish. I have a huge slab of salmon, gonna pan fry it all at once, eat the first steaks hot and fresh, and use the rest for salads and so on.
The other thing I’m having trouble finding locally is horse feed. Going on two weeks now the TSC has been out of rolled oats. We ended up getting a discount on half a bag which had been set aside because it was ripped and had spilled. Gonna have to ask around and see if anyone can spare my mom some feed. These are 95% retired pasture ornaments, and at this time of year they have tons of good grazing, so no one is in danger of starving. But horses don’t like their schedules being disrupted and a little bit of feed in the morning motivates them to come up and get checked over.10 -
For the first time during the social isolation, I'm genuinely concerned and devastated. Concerned that the next 48 hours will result in breaking the rules en masse and a spike in infections, and devastated I can't join the party. I live in Finland and May 1st is May Day, or Walpurgis Day, and the night before as well as the day itself are huge outdoor celebrations. Students normally start celebrations at least a couple of weeks before and ramp it up for the big day, and things kick off on Walpurgis Eve, April 30th, at 6PM when a famous statue in downtown Helsinki is given its high school graduation hat in a ceremony that has a crowd of at least 50 000 people gathering around to watch, and put on their own hats at the same time. Wearing high school graduation hats for May Day is a major tradition and marks the beginning of the summer season. The night is a big celebration, and on May Day people gather for outdoor brunches and picnics, especially one specific park that usually gathers at least 50 000 people regardless of weather. The statue has been walled off and covered for several days now to prevent crowds (it will get its hat via some sort of virtual art performance, this year conveniently happens to be the art students' turn to perform the ceremony as the ceremony is performed each year by different student unions of area universities) and I've heard rumors of riot police closing the park. The same holiday is also celebrated in Sweden, and it was just on the news that a major university city there will fertilize park lawns with chicken poop the night before, to make them smelly and gross and prevent mass congregating. So yeah, this is serious.
This is going to be a really difficult weekend for most people I know because we can't celebrate, meet and go out on the town like we normally do for this holiday. My friends who are still students are devastated because they can't celebrate end of semester, my graduated friends are devastated because Walpurgis Day is a rare opportunity for everyone to be partying together, and even my almost 60-year-old mother is devastated and when social distancing measures were announced, she was serious about going to that park unless police physically stops her. I hope people still stay strong and stay home, so the epidemic doesn't get out of hand - it's been fairly in control here so far and there's talks about controlled reopening of some measures if the situation stays stable.17 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Things are looking promising here. It has been a few days since the last new case. 2-4 cases daily, all are either children who are already at the hospital with their sick parents or import drivers who test positive at the border before entering the country (but mostly drivers).
Most things are open now under strict sanitation and distancing rules (even non-essentials). There aren't any plans to open gathering places yet (churches, mosques, wedding venues, clubs...etc). Restaurants are all open for delivery and pickup. Almost half the provinces are almost back to life as usual and can drive freely. The rest can drive but with restrictions. Cars with an even plate number drive one day, and cars with an odd number drive the next. No more than 2 people in one car. Public transport is now also open at 30% capacity.
People are...well... people. They're not distancing as much as they should be. It's Ramadan and they're flooding to buy food without any regard for safety. Some places are better organized than others - we've been buying and freezing bread once every 10 or so days to avoid crowds at bread bakeries and buying our vegetables at the grocery store (more expensive) because produce stores are less organized. I used to get upset at people, but I feel less upset now, probably because it's looking good right now. I have resigned to "people are people, and will keep doing what people do"
This is what concerns me. I think we could reasonably safely open up a lot of businesses, if people were just capable of continuing to obey social distancing advisories. They had a piece on "60 Minutes" yesterday of an automobile plant that has retooled to produce ventilators, and they have erected plastic barriers between work stations, everyone was wearing masks, and they had smart watches that buzzed if they got within six feet of another smart watch (also storing data on what watches they were near, for future contact tracing if necessary). And the company is doing all that because people are people, and if you don't have systems in place to stop them, they're going to go back to their old ways of swapping germs and not washing their hands.
They are adding a mask requirement for indoor shopping and places where you can't maintain 6 ft of separation, but opening up some of the closed outdoor areas and then adding as new essential businesses "greenhouses, garden centers and nurseries" (many of which were already doing business through curbside and delivery, and Home Depot was open). "These stores must follow social distancing requirements and must require that employees and customers wear a face covering."
"Animal grooming services may also re-open," and "[r]etail stores not designated as non-essential businesses and operations may re-open to fulfill telephone and online orders through pick-up outside the store and delivery."
This seems reasonable to me. However, a politician downstate sued to prevent the order from applying to him, so clearly others disagree. I don't think a majority, and I get the impression the police here are enforcing the orders and concerned for their own safety in that they are on the front lines of having to deal with people who may have the virus and are not compliant. (Mostly enforcement is ticketing and breaking things up.)
To clarify, I have concerns far short of intentional violations of restrictions.
I think there's a difference between effective social distancing and nominal, perfunctory compliance with the bare letter of restrictions. I don't have a lot of faith that folks wearing homemade cloth masks and bandanas (not their fault -- that's what's available), touching their faces right over their mouths and noses about every 20 seconds (based on my observations of folks in essential businesses and out walking -- I've even seen this in interviews with medical personnel on local news), mistaking three feet for six feet, not comprehending that talking when you're standing that close to someone presents increased risk, just as sneezing or coughing does .... I don't have a lot of faith with that as our baseline, that lifting restrictions with rules about social distancing will lead to effective social distancing.
Not sure why this is the response to my post, but I will say that I don't think people are mistaking 6 ft for 3, and most of the time in my neighborhood I see 6 ft of distancing, and it's easy outside.
Masks are a mixed bag, of course.
I really don't see a big deal with opening up curbside pickup and most outdoor spaces.
The issue with violations of social distancing aren't people mistaking 6 ft for 3 ft, but people who, for whatever reason, don't care at all, like a crazy huge house party that was shut down here or people trying to make points for social media. I don't get it, but it's happening.
I had posted expressing doubts about people's ability to comply with social distancing constraints that government officials at all levels keep emphasizing should be followed even as businesses reopen. You responded to my post with one about (1) what the rules are in your area and (2) people who are actively opposing the rules. I wanted to clarify that I wasn't talking about either of those things -- I don't think the biggest problem is what the specific rules are or people who are actively opposing the rules but the large majority of people who will things think rules are a good idea, but just not for them right now in this particular situation. Or that situation. "Yes, of course we need to keep safe, but it's not going to be a problem if I just go over to a friend's house for a few drinks with them and one other person from one other household ... It's been a tough time being apart from everybody for so long. Just one evening isn't a big deal."
In effect, my whole last post was my explanation of why I wasn't sure what your response had to do with my post, or to clarify what I meant if my earlier post was being misunderstood as being about people actively protesting against rules.
Okay. I misunderstood your prior post.
Mine was intended to say that the rules had been loosened as you suggested could work and that I thought it was going to, as I see most following the rules -- certainly most who care at all.
I do disagree with the notion that people cannot comply with social distancing.
Ah, thanks. I had not followed the line of thinking you describe in the second paragraph.
Written communication is hard sometimes. I've started making colleagues call me because it can be so exhausting to try to explain even mildly complicated or fiddly things in emails or texts.4 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »I haven't seen toilet paper in a store in six weeks. Last time I was in a grocery store they had small packages of flushable wipes, limit two per household, so I bought one. Haven't had to use it yet, though. Not sure I trust it to be flushable and not damage my plumbing.
Do NOT flush those...they will definitely damage your plumbing. I'm not sure how they get away with calling them flushable. My nephew is a plumber, and he says 90% of his calls are people who tried to flush those things. They don't break down like toilet paper does.
A gross as it may be, you'll need to keep a plastic bag handy and just throw out the used wipes with the trash.
Thanks. If I reach the point of needing to use any substitute for TP, I will do that.2 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Things are starting to go a little sideways for the mayor of Grants, NM...He has repeatedly called the governor a Nazi and the state police her Gestapo...and at the same time he's firing anyone employed by the town that won't go back to work in defiance of the governor's stay at home order, including the golf course manager who initially opened up, but was cited by the state police and afterwards refused to open the golf course...you're fired!
I can actually see being a bit rebellious here and being a mayor of a small rural town and wanting to open things up...but when you start canning people who want to be consistent with state orders, you're just creating a *kitten* storm for yourself. He's going to end up with lawsuits so far up his *kitten*, he won't know what to do. Not a particularly bright individual.
Is it a public golf course? I mean, it seems weird that every job in town is subject to firing by the mayor?
It is a city course, it's the only one in town.
Grants was once a booming little town when the uranium mines were in operation, but these days, the vast majority are employed by either the "city" or the county. There are a few little restaurants and shops and a couple hotels mostly used by truckers, but that's about it. It's been a dying town for a long time, and I'm frankly surprised it isn't a complete ghost town at this point.
Ah. Sounds like a scary place to be with someone in charge trying to force everyone to risk exposure. I guess he can't force people to go and play golf, etc.1
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