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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »This explanation fits my observations much better than the "people are using more household TP and less commercial TP" story: https://nationalpost.com/life/covid-19-toilet-paper-shortage
I'm not arguing it's untrue that people use more at home, just that it isn't so much more that it can explain the severity of shortage I am seeing. Then again, it sounds like the severity I am seeing is much worse than what people in other parts of the U.S. are seeing.
As I noted before, I went to the grocery store at 6 pm and got TP, so at this point it seems a regional issue. Maybe TN is more of a hoarder state.
Yes, I've heard from people I know in NE, IA, and IN that tell me they can get it also. I just don't understand why we are different, but very well could be that there are more hoarders here. It could also be that it just isn't getting shipped here. I don't know, but it bothers me.5 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »This explanation fits my observations much better than the "people are using more household TP and less commercial TP" story: https://nationalpost.com/life/covid-19-toilet-paper-shortage
I'm not arguing it's untrue that people use more at home, just that it isn't so much more that it can explain the severity of shortage I am seeing. Then again, it sounds like the severity I am seeing is much worse than what people in other parts of the U.S. are seeing.
As I noted before, I went to the grocery store at 6 pm and got TP, so at this point it seems a regional issue. Maybe TN is more of a hoarder state.
Yes, I've heard from people I know in NE, IA, and IN that tell me they can get it also. I just don't understand why we are different, but very well could be that there are more hoarders here. It could also be that it just isn't getting shipped here. I don't know, but it bothers me.
I am surprised TP is still an issue. I'm in IL and when this started back in March everyone hoarded TP and PT (paper towel). Now we have no problem. The problem now is I cannot find hand sanitizer, Lysol or wipes anywhere.
I did break down and got two 4 oz bottles of hand sanitizer from a Shell gas station for $6.99 per bottle.
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »This explanation fits my observations much better than the "people are using more household TP and less commercial TP" story: https://nationalpost.com/life/covid-19-toilet-paper-shortage
I'm not arguing it's untrue that people use more at home, just that it isn't so much more that it can explain the severity of shortage I am seeing. Then again, it sounds like the severity I am seeing is much worse than what people in other parts of the U.S. are seeing.
As I noted before, I went to the grocery store at 6 pm and got TP, so at this point it seems a regional issue. Maybe TN is more of a hoarder state.
Yes, I've heard from people I know in NE, IA, and IN that tell me they can get it also. I just don't understand why we are different, but very well could be that there are more hoarders here. It could also be that it just isn't getting shipped here. I don't know, but it bothers me.
Seems like more hoarders in TN. That doesn't really surprise me,0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »
With the lock down being effectively over in the USA where law enforcement are not authorized to mow down unarmed citizens with machine guns . . .
Dude, what on earth?
I noted I was only speaking about USA laws. The news article explains how states are removing more and more restraints on people. This will help prevent social unrest even if medically if it is a step backwards. No one knows what to do in these times.
Even with the restrictions, nobody was authorized to mow down unarmed citizens with machine guns. This is the kind of rhetoric that is incredibly unhelpful. I don't even know how you got there. It's like some kind of fever dream fantasy.
Have you been reading about the mental health issues related to COVID-19? I just see an undercurrent that is dangerous for the safety of law officers. Some are losing everything and we know alcohol sales are up and gun sales are up. Did you read Cwolfmann's link over the number of COVID-19 deaths?
Law officers are starting to stand down over governors orders because they understand the time/risk factor on unproven restrictions is increasing. I think everyone posting here wants to do what is best and understand they are going to get COVID-19 sooner or later but want it to be much later.
We know with the schools closed it is causing some kids harm because they may not have a safe environment and food like when the schools were open. The schools will not be opening in 4 months from now if we do not get more COVID-19 cases behind us. Sweden may be proven wrong yet time will tell.
https://aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/sweden-avoids-full-lockdown-pm-insists-restrictions-continue-200420173945004.html
According to some metrics, like alcohol sales, it is totally possible that people are drinking more. I still don't understand how you get to law enforcement being authorized to "mow down unarmed citizens."
Alcohol sales are up across the board in the US. Gun sales are up in Kentucky, which might be affecting Gale's POV. Crime is up here, so I somewhat get it, although shooting a cop (or anyone) is still not in my imagination, so I don't get that.
My n=1 is I am for sure drinking more right now ☺️ Didn't buy any guns though, that's not my jam. Though interestingly the VA legislature just ruled that while shooting ranges are not "essential" under the current def, they are covered under the 2nd amendment so they must be allowed to stay open if they choose. Not sure I agree, but I'm not too concerned with that one way or another. I'd rather folks shoot there than other places
Here in the Charlottesville area crime is actually down. Its a pretty safe place to live regardless, but there was a story on the local news about how local police are being used more to distribute meals & supplies, help with social services, and doing more community outreach type stuff as there's less need especially for traffic and parking enforcement as well.1 -
On the TP thing. Besides going when the store first opens I go to stores that are large chains that have their own warehouses and distribution networks. Kroger here in Washington has had everything I wanted every time I went - including TP - although in early March the shelves were fairly empty - but I still bought some each time I went.0
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spiriteagle99 wrote: »I went to two stores on Saturday, looking for rice for my sick dog. No luck. Today I went back to the same two. There was none in the larger chain store, but they had hand sanitzer and Chlorox bleach up near the checkout line. The smaller store had both white and brown rice. Small boxes, but at least I got some. I've only seen TP twice in the past 6 weeks. Walmart had some small packages, and i bought two as backup. Then a week later DH found a 16 pack. Now we don't have to think about it. My husband also found a box of supplies he had stored in the garage in case of disaster about 6 years ago. I knew nothing about it. We now have enough mac n'cheese, Spam, and dried milk to get us through a couple of weeks.
For the person looking for dried milk: an Hispanic grocery or the Hispanic section of your grocery might sell it as NIDO. It's whole milk, rather than the skim that is usually sold. We use it backpacking.
FYI: If the mac n'cheese has been sitting out there for 6 years there's a good chance the cheese powder has gone off. If the color is more brown than orange it won't taste good. Noodles should be fine to use though.2 -
The only grocery item I am continuing to have trouble finding is yeast!
Luckily sliced bread supplies have settled down, so it's not a big deal, but I do like to bake bread on a fairly regular basis.
Other than that, there has been the odd thing out of stock, but mostly easily substituted for something similar.
Oh, and hand sanitiser I think is a rare thing, but being home on lockdown, I haven't needed to replenish my small supply.
Try this:
https://www.sourdoughandolives.com/2019/09/20/baking-with-yeast-water/
and there are other websites about how to prepare yeast using fruit exposed to the air.5 -
janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »
With the lock down being effectively over in the USA where law enforcement are not authorized to mow down unarmed citizens with machine guns . . .
Dude, what on earth?
I noted I was only speaking about USA laws. The news article explains how states are removing more and more restraints on people. This will help prevent social unrest even if medically if it is a step backwards. No one knows what to do in these times.
Even with the restrictions, nobody was authorized to mow down unarmed citizens with machine guns. This is the kind of rhetoric that is incredibly unhelpful. I don't even know how you got there. It's like some kind of fever dream fantasy.
Have you been reading about the mental health issues related to COVID-19? I just see an undercurrent that is dangerous for the safety of law officers. Some are losing everything and we know alcohol sales are up and gun sales are up. Did you read Cwolfmann's link over the number of COVID-19 deaths?
Law officers are starting to stand down over governors orders because they understand the time/risk factor on unproven restrictions is increasing. I think everyone posting here wants to do what is best and understand they are going to get COVID-19 sooner or later but want it to be much later.
We know with the schools closed it is causing some kids harm because they may not have a safe environment and food like when the schools were open. The schools will not be opening in 4 months from now if we do not get more COVID-19 cases behind us. Sweden may be proven wrong yet time will tell.
https://aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/sweden-avoids-full-lockdown-pm-insists-restrictions-continue-200420173945004.html
According to some metrics, like alcohol sales, it is totally possible that people are drinking more. I still don't understand how you get to law enforcement being authorized to "mow down unarmed citizens."
Alcohol sales are up across the board in the US. Gun sales are up in Kentucky, which might be affecting Gale's POV. Crime is up here, so I somewhat get it, although shooting a cop (or anyone) is still not in my imagination, so I don't get that.
My n=1 is I am for sure drinking more right now ☺️ Didn't buy any guns though, that's not my jam. Though interestingly the VA legislature just ruled that while shooting ranges are not "essential" under the current def, they are covered under the 2nd amendment so they must be allowed to stay open if they choose. Not sure I agree, but I'm not too concerned with that one way or another. I'd rather folks shoot there than other places
Here in the Charlottesville area crime is actually down. Its a pretty safe place to live regardless, but there was a story on the local news about how local police are being used more to distribute meals & supplies, help with social services, and doing more community outreach type stuff as there's less need especially for traffic and parking enforcement as well.
I can physically only shoot 2 guns at any given time since I am not dextrous enough to shoot with either foot. So I was covered long before the pandemic was a thing. I haven't even tried to buy a gun all year. Meanwhile, I am working on increasing dexterity in toes, but that has nothing to do with shooting and more related to specific running strength.
Here in TN, the increase in handgun sales in 2020 and in concealed carry permits has a lot more to do with legal changes than the pandemic. Prior to Jan. 1, all handgun licenses here required both a class and specific range qualifying standards. On Jan. 1, those of us with existing handgun licenses became "enhanced" license holders (similar to the MS "enhanced" licenses) and a new "concealed only" license became available. To get a "concealed only" license, one must take a class only. No shooting qualification is required for that new version of handgun license. Consequently, more people got this license and more handguns have been sold in 2020.
ETA: Class for concealed carry license can be done online and the fingerprinting can be done at some essential businesses like I know locally, the UPS store does this. Only thing I dont know is if the state Driver Service center is open to gake the application and photo for new licenses.
Either way, increased gun sales could also be due to licenses applied for before state Driver Service centers would have closed, if they did at all late Mar. Increased gun sales, at least in TN. are partly due to laws making it easier to get a carry license.3 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »
With the lock down being effectively over in the USA where law enforcement are not authorized to mow down unarmed citizens with machine guns . . .
Dude, what on earth?
I noted I was only speaking about USA laws. The news article explains how states are removing more and more restraints on people. This will help prevent social unrest even if medically if it is a step backwards. No one knows what to do in these times.
Even with the restrictions, nobody was authorized to mow down unarmed citizens with machine guns. This is the kind of rhetoric that is incredibly unhelpful. I don't even know how you got there. It's like some kind of fever dream fantasy.
Have you been reading about the mental health issues related to COVID-19? I just see an undercurrent that is dangerous for the safety of law officers. Some are losing everything and we know alcohol sales are up and gun sales are up. Did you read Cwolfmann's link over the number of COVID-19 deaths?
Law officers are starting to stand down over governors orders because they understand the time/risk factor on unproven restrictions is increasing. I think everyone posting here wants to do what is best and understand they are going to get COVID-19 sooner or later but want it to be much later.
We know with the schools closed it is causing some kids harm because they may not have a safe environment and food like when the schools were open. The schools will not be opening in 4 months from now if we do not get more COVID-19 cases behind us. Sweden may be proven wrong yet time will tell.
https://aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/sweden-avoids-full-lockdown-pm-insists-restrictions-continue-200420173945004.html
According to some metrics, like alcohol sales, it is totally possible that people are drinking more. I still don't understand how you get to law enforcement being authorized to "mow down unarmed citizens."
Alcohol sales are up across the board in the US. Gun sales are up in Kentucky, which might be affecting Gale's POV. Crime is up here, so I somewhat get it, although shooting a cop (or anyone) is still not in my imagination, so I don't get that.
My n=1 is I am for sure drinking more right now ☺️ Didn't buy any guns though, that's not my jam. Though interestingly the VA legislature just ruled that while shooting ranges are not "essential" under the current def, they are covered under the 2nd amendment so they must be allowed to stay open if they choose. Not sure I agree, but I'm not too concerned with that one way or another. I'd rather folks shoot there than other places
Here in the Charlottesville area crime is actually down. Its a pretty safe place to live regardless, but there was a story on the local news about how local police are being used more to distribute meals & supplies, help with social services, and doing more community outreach type stuff as there's less need especially for traffic and parking enforcement as well.
I can physically only shoot 2 guns at any given time since I am not dextrous enough to shoot with either foot. So I was covered long before the pandemic was a thing. I haven't even tried to buy a gun all year. Meanwhile, I am working on increasing dexterity in toes, but that has nothing to do with shooting and more related to specific running strength.
Here in TN, the increase in handgun sales in 2020 and in concealed carry permits has a lot more to do with legal changes than the pandemic. Prior to Jan. 1, all handgun licenses here required both a class and specific range qualifying standards. On Jan. 1, those of us with existing handgun licenses became "enhanced" license holders (similar to the MS "enhanced" licenses) and a new "concealed only" license became available. To get a "concealed only" license, one must take a class only. No shooting qualification is required for that new version of handgun license. Consequently, more people got this license and more handguns have been sold in 2020.
Interesting! So you're enhanced now
Goes to show sometimes the numbers don't tell you what you think they tell you, there are almost always more variables than we realize.
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Guys please please please keep this thread friendly. Arguments and controversy will just get the thread closed or make it harder to follow. The thread moves fast enough that ignoring a post allows it to sink into oblivion super fast.
It's *kitten* awesome it's survived as long as it has
and it's been really useful and informative for me at least through this whole thing! 16 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »This explanation fits my observations much better than the "people are using more household TP and less commercial TP" story: https://nationalpost.com/life/covid-19-toilet-paper-shortage
I'm not arguing it's untrue that people use more at home, just that it isn't so much more that it can explain the severity of shortage I am seeing. Then again, it sounds like the severity I am seeing is much worse than what people in other parts of the U.S. are seeing.
As I noted before, I went to the grocery store at 6 pm and got TP, so at this point it seems a regional issue. Maybe TN is more of a hoarder state.
Yes, I've heard from people I know in NE, IA, and IN that tell me they can get it also. I just don't understand why we are different, but very well could be that there are more hoarders here. It could also be that it just isn't getting shipped here. I don't know, but it bothers me.
I've seen it on the shelves in MI, too. They're sometimes low stock, and early on some were no-stock (week or so?), but it's definitely available, and I'm hearing the same impressions from local friends, FWIW.janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »
With the lock down being effectively over in the USA where law enforcement are not authorized to mow down unarmed citizens with machine guns . . .
Dude, what on earth?
I noted I was only speaking about USA laws. The news article explains how states are removing more and more restraints on people. This will help prevent social unrest even if medically if it is a step backwards. No one knows what to do in these times.
Even with the restrictions, nobody was authorized to mow down unarmed citizens with machine guns. This is the kind of rhetoric that is incredibly unhelpful. I don't even know how you got there. It's like some kind of fever dream fantasy.
Have you been reading about the mental health issues related to COVID-19? I just see an undercurrent that is dangerous for the safety of law officers. Some are losing everything and we know alcohol sales are up and gun sales are up. Did you read Cwolfmann's link over the number of COVID-19 deaths?
Law officers are starting to stand down over governors orders because they understand the time/risk factor on unproven restrictions is increasing. I think everyone posting here wants to do what is best and understand they are going to get COVID-19 sooner or later but want it to be much later.
We know with the schools closed it is causing some kids harm because they may not have a safe environment and food like when the schools were open. The schools will not be opening in 4 months from now if we do not get more COVID-19 cases behind us. Sweden may be proven wrong yet time will tell.
https://aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/sweden-avoids-full-lockdown-pm-insists-restrictions-continue-200420173945004.html
According to some metrics, like alcohol sales, it is totally possible that people are drinking more. I still don't understand how you get to law enforcement being authorized to "mow down unarmed citizens."
Alcohol sales are up across the board in the US. Gun sales are up in Kentucky, which might be affecting Gale's POV. Crime is up here, so I somewhat get it, although shooting a cop (or anyone) is still not in my imagination, so I don't get that.
My n=1 is I am for sure drinking more right now ☺️ Didn't buy any guns though, that's not my jam. Though interestingly the VA legislature just ruled that while shooting ranges are not "essential" under the current def, they are covered under the 2nd amendment so they must be allowed to stay open if they choose. Not sure I agree, but I'm not too concerned with that one way or another. I'd rather folks shoot there than other places
Here in the Charlottesville area crime is actually down. Its a pretty safe place to live regardless, but there was a story on the local news about how local police are being used more to distribute meals & supplies, help with social services, and doing more community outreach type stuff as there's less need especially for traffic and parking enforcement as well.
FWIW, most outdoor shooting ranges (based on ones I've been to) should be able to maintain 6-foot distancing without much difficulty. I don't have much experience with indoor ranges (enough rural areas here I've mostly shot outside), and their design may differ, but it's not unusual for them to have partitions (not necessarily full walls, but a barrier) between stations. The big ones could go every other position for bigger distancing. Might not be too terrible, on the scale of "able to stay safe". Whether they take those steps is a whole other matter, of course.
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I am in Iowa. Daughter was in Costco a week ago & still no TP. When I have done an online for pickup at grocery store, TP was one thing I did not receive. Getting about 1/2-3/4 of what we order for other stuff. But Target had a bunch of TP according to son in law, so he got some for us, lol.
Our Governor is starting to open up 77 of 99 counties on Friday because they show no or little virus activity. The rest still shut down until at least May 15. Our daily positive case numbers are about 4x higher than a week ago, but they say it is because they are testing more. I feel like it shows that there is more spread than we knew.3 -
I like this milk. No need to refrigerate unless opened. lunch box size that comes in a box with multiple lunch box milks. Bought at King Soopers https://horizon.com/organic-dairy-products/organic-milk/shelf-stable-organic-plain-1-percent-milk/2
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RetiredAndLovingIt wrote: »I am in Iowa. Daughter was in Costco a week ago & still no TP. When I have done an online for pickup at grocery store, TP was one thing I did not receive. Getting about 1/2-3/4 of what we order for other stuff. But Target had a bunch of TP according to son in law, so he got some for us, lol.
Our Governor is starting to open up 77 of 99 counties on Friday because they show no or little virus activity. The rest still shut down until at least May 15. Our daily positive case numbers are about 4x higher than a week ago, but they say it is because they are testing more. I feel like it shows that there is more spread than we knew.
I've heard from Omaha (not in IA, but close) and from people in IA: Clarinda, Des Moines, and Iowa City that they have some TP available and have for the last week. Friends and family from IA and one from IN offered to mail some to me, but I think the shipping costs are not worth it, at least unless I run out of paper towels too.1 -
They did have paper towels & tissues, tho.0
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »RetiredAndLovingIt wrote: »I am in Iowa. Daughter was in Costco a week ago & still no TP. When I have done an online for pickup at grocery store, TP was one thing I did not receive. Getting about 1/2-3/4 of what we order for other stuff. But Target had a bunch of TP according to son in law, so he got some for us, lol.
Our Governor is starting to open up 77 of 99 counties on Friday because they show no or little virus activity. The rest still shut down until at least May 15. Our daily positive case numbers are about 4x higher than a week ago, but they say it is because they are testing more. I feel like it shows that there is more spread than we knew.
I've heard from Omaha (not in IA, but close) and from people in IA: Clarinda, Des Moines, and Iowa City that they have some TP available and have for the last week. Friends and family from IA and one from IN offered to mail some to me, but I think the shipping costs are not worth it, at least unless I run out of paper towels too.
Do you belong to Costco? I went to Walmart at 8:30 this morning - no TP. Last I looked there was none in Target, Food Lion, Harris Teeter, CVS, or Kroger either. But my dad said Costco has had some every time he's been. I'm still working my way through a 9 pack I luckily bought right before all this started, so I don't have to worry yet! Had to buy store brand tissues though, which I'm not thrilled about
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Another thing in short supply is hand soap. Cousin says hard time finding dish soap.0
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RetiredAndLovingIt wrote: »Another thing in short supply is hand soap. Cousin says hard time finding dish soap.
My typical shopping destination has had trouble keeping stock of dish soap and dishwasher detergent, although I haven't looked any other places. They have had plenty of hand soap.0 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »RetiredAndLovingIt wrote: »I am in Iowa. Daughter was in Costco a week ago & still no TP. When I have done an online for pickup at grocery store, TP was one thing I did not receive. Getting about 1/2-3/4 of what we order for other stuff. But Target had a bunch of TP according to son in law, so he got some for us, lol.
Our Governor is starting to open up 77 of 99 counties on Friday because they show no or little virus activity. The rest still shut down until at least May 15. Our daily positive case numbers are about 4x higher than a week ago, but they say it is because they are testing more. I feel like it shows that there is more spread than we knew.
I've heard from Omaha (not in IA, but close) and from people in IA: Clarinda, Des Moines, and Iowa City that they have some TP available and have for the last week. Friends and family from IA and one from IN offered to mail some to me, but I think the shipping costs are not worth it, at least unless I run out of paper towels too.
Do you belong to Costco? I went to Walmart at 8:30 this morning - no TP. Last I looked there was none in Target, Food Lion, Harris Teeter, CVS, or Kroger either. But my dad said Costco has had some every time he's been. I'm still working my way through a 9 pack I luckily bought right before all this started, so I don't have to worry yet! Had to buy store brand tissues though, which I'm not thrilled about
No, but even if I was a member, I think the nearest Costco is probably Memphis. That's about a 2 hr. drive and while that would not normally be uncommon for a weekend trip, I'm trying to limit movement these days. Plus Memphis area has a lot more known cases, so is a higher risk area anyway.1 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »RetiredAndLovingIt wrote: »I am in Iowa. Daughter was in Costco a week ago & still no TP. When I have done an online for pickup at grocery store, TP was one thing I did not receive. Getting about 1/2-3/4 of what we order for other stuff. But Target had a bunch of TP according to son in law, so he got some for us, lol.
Our Governor is starting to open up 77 of 99 counties on Friday because they show no or little virus activity. The rest still shut down until at least May 15. Our daily positive case numbers are about 4x higher than a week ago, but they say it is because they are testing more. I feel like it shows that there is more spread than we knew.
I've heard from Omaha (not in IA, but close) and from people in IA: Clarinda, Des Moines, and Iowa City that they have some TP available and have for the last week. Friends and family from IA and one from IN offered to mail some to me, but I think the shipping costs are not worth it, at least unless I run out of paper towels too.
Do you belong to Costco? I went to Walmart at 8:30 this morning - no TP. Last I looked there was none in Target, Food Lion, Harris Teeter, CVS, or Kroger either. But my dad said Costco has had some every time he's been. I'm still working my way through a 9 pack I luckily bought right before all this started, so I don't have to worry yet! Had to buy store brand tissues though, which I'm not thrilled about
Not sure about the US, but in Canada, you don't have to have a membership. Someone bought me a cash card some time ago and I finally used it a couple weeks ago. I had to go to the desk and get a day pass. I exceeded the cash card value by $75. They were fine with that as long as I paid by debit, they wouldn't accept credit card for the extra. Alternatively, they do allow members to bring a guest, but right now it is being limited to one non-member guest (at least it was here two weeks ago - it could be different regionally, and as time has passed).3 -
Just got back from Aldi. They had plenty of TP and paper towels, no sanitizer, fresh meat was a bit low, no yeast but plenty of flour.
Our governor is lifting a few restrictions but the Safer At Home orders are in place. Places like pet groomers can open but they have to be no contact, curbside drop off and pick up only. Any retailer can open for curbside pickup. Outdoor recreation is slightly opening too. For example, state parks and trails are open but welcome centers, picnic areas, etc. are closed. Public and private boat launches and marinas can open but must restrict how many vehicles are launching at any one time. Golf courses can open but only for golfing and cart rental, clubhouses have to stay closed.3 -
Things are starting to go a little sideways for the mayor of Grants, NM...He has repeatedly called the governor a Nazi and the state police her Gestapo...and at the same time he's firing anyone employed by the town that won't go back to work in defiance of the governor's stay at home order, including the golf course manager who initially opened up, but was cited by the state police and afterwards refused to open the golf course...you're fired!
I can actually see being a bit rebellious here and being a mayor of a small rural town and wanting to open things up...but when you start canning people who want to be consistent with state orders, you're just creating a *kitten* storm for yourself. He's going to end up with lawsuits so far up his *kitten*, he won't know what to do. Not a particularly bright individual.
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cwolfman13 wrote: »Things are starting to go a little sideways for the mayor of Grants, NM...He has repeatedly called the governor a Nazi and the state police her Gestapo...and at the same time he's firing anyone employed by the town that won't go back to work in defiance of the governor's stay at home order, including the golf course manager who initially opened up, but was cited by the state police and afterwards refused to open the golf course...you're fired!
I can actually see being a bit rebellious here and being a mayor of a small rural town and wanting to open things up...but when you start canning people who want to be consistent with state orders, you're just creating a *kitten* storm for yourself. He's going to end up with lawsuits so far up his *kitten*, he won't know what to do. Not a particularly bright individual.
Wow, not thinking things through very well. Or he is assuming that the city (taxpayers) are going to pay for the outcome and he won't have any personal responsibility. I'm not sure I would take that gamble.
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My husband’s company/plant is the supplier to P&G for Dawn dish soap lids... his plant manager texted him a pic of a very empty dish soap aisle a couple/few weeks ago and said “THIS is why we are considered essential.” Pretty crazy!janejellyroll wrote: »RetiredAndLovingIt wrote: »Another thing in short supply is hand soap. Cousin says hard time finding dish soap.
My typical shopping destination has had trouble keeping stock of dish soap and dishwasher detergent, although I haven't looked any other places. They have had plenty of hand soap.3 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »RetiredAndLovingIt wrote: »I am in Iowa. Daughter was in Costco a week ago & still no TP. When I have done an online for pickup at grocery store, TP was one thing I did not receive. Getting about 1/2-3/4 of what we order for other stuff. But Target had a bunch of TP according to son in law, so he got some for us, lol.
Our Governor is starting to open up 77 of 99 counties on Friday because they show no or little virus activity. The rest still shut down until at least May 15. Our daily positive case numbers are about 4x higher than a week ago, but they say it is because they are testing more. I feel like it shows that there is more spread than we knew.
I've heard from Omaha (not in IA, but close) and from people in IA: Clarinda, Des Moines, and Iowa City that they have some TP available and have for the last week. Friends and family from IA and one from IN offered to mail some to me, but I think the shipping costs are not worth it, at least unless I run out of paper towels too.
Do you belong to Costco? I went to Walmart at 8:30 this morning - no TP. Last I looked there was none in Target, Food Lion, Harris Teeter, CVS, or Kroger either. But my dad said Costco has had some every time he's been. I'm still working my way through a 9 pack I luckily bought right before all this started, so I don't have to worry yet! Had to buy store brand tissues though, which I'm not thrilled about
No, but even if I was a member, I think the nearest Costco is probably Memphis. That's about a 2 hr. drive and while that would not normally be uncommon for a weekend trip, I'm trying to limit movement these days. Plus Memphis area has a lot more known cases, so is a higher risk area anyway.
And unlikely to find TP at a Memphis Costco. My husband struck out this afternoon and last. Amazon claims I’ll be getting some on Thursday, so fingers crossed.3 -
In Oklahoma, 3 counties have over 1/2 the corona cases. Our governor tries to work with the mayors in the 3 big cities in these counties. Both OKC and Tulsa mayors present a totally united front with him. The Norman mayor keeps bad mouthing the gov, then doing exactly what the gov wanted. I wonder if she’ll be re-elected? Probably not in trouble, just not a loveable front.3
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For the first time in a few weeks I went to WM this evening. They had a selection of a few different brands of paper towels and TP;and good stock but not all the brands they normally carry. The optional foods like chicken, pork and beef were wiped out after the news media talk of a lock down of meat plants. Corn is being planted and the farmers are sad because demand for corn for cars is down. We may be eating a lot of corn flitters if meat goes off line.
On a sad note I went by to pay the rent for the guy that I am his guardian that lives in an assisted living home for the past 25 years after his mom pasted. He is 76 and has COPD and one resident tested positive for COVID-19 today. He grew up without hearing so he did not develop speech or go to school. He is bright and watches TV so I expect he kind of knows what is going one. I have a former neighbor that lives there as well who is 96. Like another home near here it will sweep every hall in time I expect. They have been locked down for a month expecting something to happen.
I am going to try and be nice so maybe my son or daughter will let me have a tiny house in the back yard when I get near my end.
Now that doctors are seeing patients it seems like twice as many cars were on the road today. I made an 80 mile trip to the optometrist to rule out a detached retina before I do much tractor work and thankful it is just a vitreous detachment that is normal but can pull and tear the retina if the separation is suddenly. The flashing lights of the last week have really slowed down.14 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Things are looking promising here. It has been a few days since the last new case. 2-4 cases daily, all are either children who are already at the hospital with their sick parents or import drivers who test positive at the border before entering the country (but mostly drivers).
Most things are open now under strict sanitation and distancing rules (even non-essentials). There aren't any plans to open gathering places yet (churches, mosques, wedding venues, clubs...etc). Restaurants are all open for delivery and pickup. Almost half the provinces are almost back to life as usual and can drive freely. The rest can drive but with restrictions. Cars with an even plate number drive one day, and cars with an odd number drive the next. No more than 2 people in one car. Public transport is now also open at 30% capacity.
People are...well... people. They're not distancing as much as they should be. It's Ramadan and they're flooding to buy food without any regard for safety. Some places are better organized than others - we've been buying and freezing bread once every 10 or so days to avoid crowds at bread bakeries and buying our vegetables at the grocery store (more expensive) because produce stores are less organized. I used to get upset at people, but I feel less upset now, probably because it's looking good right now. I have resigned to "people are people, and will keep doing what people do"
This is what concerns me. I think we could reasonably safely open up a lot of businesses, if people were just capable of continuing to obey social distancing advisories. They had a piece on "60 Minutes" yesterday of an automobile plant that has retooled to produce ventilators, and they have erected plastic barriers between work stations, everyone was wearing masks, and they had smart watches that buzzed if they got within six feet of another smart watch (also storing data on what watches they were near, for future contact tracing if necessary). And the company is doing all that because people are people, and if you don't have systems in place to stop them, they're going to go back to their old ways of swapping germs and not washing their hands.
They are adding a mask requirement for indoor shopping and places where you can't maintain 6 ft of separation, but opening up some of the closed outdoor areas and then adding as new essential businesses "greenhouses, garden centers and nurseries" (many of which were already doing business through curbside and delivery, and Home Depot was open). "These stores must follow social distancing requirements and must require that employees and customers wear a face covering."
"Animal grooming services may also re-open," and "[r]etail stores not designated as non-essential businesses and operations may re-open to fulfill telephone and online orders through pick-up outside the store and delivery."
This seems reasonable to me. However, a politician downstate sued to prevent the order from applying to him, so clearly others disagree. I don't think a majority, and I get the impression the police here are enforcing the orders and concerned for their own safety in that they are on the front lines of having to deal with people who may have the virus and are not compliant. (Mostly enforcement is ticketing and breaking things up.)
To clarify, I have concerns far short of intentional violations of restrictions.
I think there's a difference between effective social distancing and nominal, perfunctory compliance with the bare letter of restrictions. I don't have a lot of faith that folks wearing homemade cloth masks and bandanas (not their fault -- that's what's available), touching their faces right over their mouths and noses about every 20 seconds (based on my observations of folks in essential businesses and out walking -- I've even seen this in interviews with medical personnel on local news), mistaking three feet for six feet, not comprehending that talking when you're standing that close to someone presents increased risk, just as sneezing or coughing does .... I don't have a lot of faith with that as our baseline, that lifting restrictions with rules about social distancing will lead to effective social distancing.
Not sure why this is the response to my post, but I will say that I don't think people are mistaking 6 ft for 3, and most of the time in my neighborhood I see 6 ft of distancing, and it's easy outside.
Masks are a mixed bag, of course.
I really don't see a big deal with opening up curbside pickup and most outdoor spaces.
The issue with violations of social distancing aren't people mistaking 6 ft for 3 ft, but people who, for whatever reason, don't care at all, like a crazy huge house party that was shut down here or people trying to make points for social media. I don't get it, but it's happening.
I had posted expressing doubts about people's ability to comply with social distancing constraints that government officials at all levels keep emphasizing should be followed even as businesses reopen. You responded to my post with one about (1) what the rules are in your area and (2) people who are actively opposing the rules. I wanted to clarify that I wasn't talking about either of those things -- I don't think the biggest problem is what the specific rules are or people who are actively opposing the rules but the large majority of people who will things think rules are a good idea, but just not for them right now in this particular situation. Or that situation. "Yes, of course we need to keep safe, but it's not going to be a problem if I just go over to a friend's house for a few drinks with them and one other person from one other household ... It's been a tough time being apart from everybody for so long. Just one evening isn't a big deal."
In effect, my whole last post was my explanation of why I wasn't sure what your response had to do with my post, or to clarify what I meant if my earlier post was being misunderstood as being about people actively protesting against rules.5 -
I haven't seen toilet paper in a store in six weeks. Last time I was in a grocery store they had small packages of flushable wipes, limit two per household, so I bought one. Haven't had to use it yet, though. Not sure I trust it to be flushable and not damage my plumbing.4
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cwolfman13 wrote: »Things are starting to go a little sideways for the mayor of Grants, NM...He has repeatedly called the governor a Nazi and the state police her Gestapo...and at the same time he's firing anyone employed by the town that won't go back to work in defiance of the governor's stay at home order, including the golf course manager who initially opened up, but was cited by the state police and afterwards refused to open the golf course...you're fired!
I can actually see being a bit rebellious here and being a mayor of a small rural town and wanting to open things up...but when you start canning people who want to be consistent with state orders, you're just creating a *kitten* storm for yourself. He's going to end up with lawsuits so far up his *kitten*, he won't know what to do. Not a particularly bright individual.
Is it a public golf course? I mean, it seems weird that every job in town is subject to firing by the mayor?0 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Things are looking promising here. It has been a few days since the last new case. 2-4 cases daily, all are either children who are already at the hospital with their sick parents or import drivers who test positive at the border before entering the country (but mostly drivers).
Most things are open now under strict sanitation and distancing rules (even non-essentials). There aren't any plans to open gathering places yet (churches, mosques, wedding venues, clubs...etc). Restaurants are all open for delivery and pickup. Almost half the provinces are almost back to life as usual and can drive freely. The rest can drive but with restrictions. Cars with an even plate number drive one day, and cars with an odd number drive the next. No more than 2 people in one car. Public transport is now also open at 30% capacity.
People are...well... people. They're not distancing as much as they should be. It's Ramadan and they're flooding to buy food without any regard for safety. Some places are better organized than others - we've been buying and freezing bread once every 10 or so days to avoid crowds at bread bakeries and buying our vegetables at the grocery store (more expensive) because produce stores are less organized. I used to get upset at people, but I feel less upset now, probably because it's looking good right now. I have resigned to "people are people, and will keep doing what people do"
This is what concerns me. I think we could reasonably safely open up a lot of businesses, if people were just capable of continuing to obey social distancing advisories. They had a piece on "60 Minutes" yesterday of an automobile plant that has retooled to produce ventilators, and they have erected plastic barriers between work stations, everyone was wearing masks, and they had smart watches that buzzed if they got within six feet of another smart watch (also storing data on what watches they were near, for future contact tracing if necessary). And the company is doing all that because people are people, and if you don't have systems in place to stop them, they're going to go back to their old ways of swapping germs and not washing their hands.
They are adding a mask requirement for indoor shopping and places where you can't maintain 6 ft of separation, but opening up some of the closed outdoor areas and then adding as new essential businesses "greenhouses, garden centers and nurseries" (many of which were already doing business through curbside and delivery, and Home Depot was open). "These stores must follow social distancing requirements and must require that employees and customers wear a face covering."
"Animal grooming services may also re-open," and "[r]etail stores not designated as non-essential businesses and operations may re-open to fulfill telephone and online orders through pick-up outside the store and delivery."
This seems reasonable to me. However, a politician downstate sued to prevent the order from applying to him, so clearly others disagree. I don't think a majority, and I get the impression the police here are enforcing the orders and concerned for their own safety in that they are on the front lines of having to deal with people who may have the virus and are not compliant. (Mostly enforcement is ticketing and breaking things up.)
To clarify, I have concerns far short of intentional violations of restrictions.
I think there's a difference between effective social distancing and nominal, perfunctory compliance with the bare letter of restrictions. I don't have a lot of faith that folks wearing homemade cloth masks and bandanas (not their fault -- that's what's available), touching their faces right over their mouths and noses about every 20 seconds (based on my observations of folks in essential businesses and out walking -- I've even seen this in interviews with medical personnel on local news), mistaking three feet for six feet, not comprehending that talking when you're standing that close to someone presents increased risk, just as sneezing or coughing does .... I don't have a lot of faith with that as our baseline, that lifting restrictions with rules about social distancing will lead to effective social distancing.
Not sure why this is the response to my post, but I will say that I don't think people are mistaking 6 ft for 3, and most of the time in my neighborhood I see 6 ft of distancing, and it's easy outside.
Masks are a mixed bag, of course.
I really don't see a big deal with opening up curbside pickup and most outdoor spaces.
The issue with violations of social distancing aren't people mistaking 6 ft for 3 ft, but people who, for whatever reason, don't care at all, like a crazy huge house party that was shut down here or people trying to make points for social media. I don't get it, but it's happening.
I had posted expressing doubts about people's ability to comply with social distancing constraints that government officials at all levels keep emphasizing should be followed even as businesses reopen. You responded to my post with one about (1) what the rules are in your area and (2) people who are actively opposing the rules. I wanted to clarify that I wasn't talking about either of those things -- I don't think the biggest problem is what the specific rules are or people who are actively opposing the rules but the large majority of people who will things think rules are a good idea, but just not for them right now in this particular situation. Or that situation. "Yes, of course we need to keep safe, but it's not going to be a problem if I just go over to a friend's house for a few drinks with them and one other person from one other household ... It's been a tough time being apart from everybody for so long. Just one evening isn't a big deal."
In effect, my whole last post was my explanation of why I wasn't sure what your response had to do with my post, or to clarify what I meant if my earlier post was being misunderstood as being about people actively protesting against rules.
Okay. I misunderstood your prior post.
Mine was intended to say that the rules had been loosened as you suggested could work and that I thought it was going to, as I see most following the rules -- certainly most who care at all.
I do disagree with the notion that people cannot comply with social distancing.3
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