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  • dbanks80
    dbanks80 Posts: 3,685 Member
    T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
    This explanation fits my observations much better than the "people are using more household TP and less commercial TP" story: https://nationalpost.com/life/covid-19-toilet-paper-shortage

    I'm not arguing it's untrue that people use more at home, just that it isn't so much more that it can explain the severity of shortage I am seeing. Then again, it sounds like the severity I am seeing is much worse than what people in other parts of the U.S. are seeing.

    As I noted before, I went to the grocery store at 6 pm and got TP, so at this point it seems a regional issue. Maybe TN is more of a hoarder state.

    Yes, I've heard from people I know in NE, IA, and IN that tell me they can get it also. I just don't understand why we are different, but very well could be that there are more hoarders here. It could also be that it just isn't getting shipped here. I don't know, but it bothers me.

    I am surprised TP is still an issue. I'm in IL and when this started back in March everyone hoarded TP and PT (paper towel). Now we have no problem. The problem now is I cannot find hand sanitizer, Lysol or wipes anywhere.

    I did break down and got two 4 oz bottles of hand sanitizer from a Shell gas station for $6.99 per bottle. :/
  • lemurcat2
    lemurcat2 Posts: 7,885 Member
    T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
    This explanation fits my observations much better than the "people are using more household TP and less commercial TP" story: https://nationalpost.com/life/covid-19-toilet-paper-shortage

    I'm not arguing it's untrue that people use more at home, just that it isn't so much more that it can explain the severity of shortage I am seeing. Then again, it sounds like the severity I am seeing is much worse than what people in other parts of the U.S. are seeing.

    As I noted before, I went to the grocery store at 6 pm and got TP, so at this point it seems a regional issue. Maybe TN is more of a hoarder state.

    Yes, I've heard from people I know in NE, IA, and IN that tell me they can get it also. I just don't understand why we are different, but very well could be that there are more hoarders here. It could also be that it just isn't getting shipped here. I don't know, but it bothers me.

    Seems like more hoarders in TN. That doesn't really surprise me,
  • kimny72
    kimny72 Posts: 16,013 Member
    edited April 2020
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    GaleHawkins wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    GaleHawkins wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    GaleHawkins wrote: »

    With the lock down being effectively over in the USA where law enforcement are not authorized to mow down unarmed citizens with machine guns . . .

    Dude, what on earth?

    I noted I was only speaking about USA laws. The news article explains how states are removing more and more restraints on people. This will help prevent social unrest even if medically if it is a step backwards. No one knows what to do in these times.

    Even with the restrictions, nobody was authorized to mow down unarmed citizens with machine guns. This is the kind of rhetoric that is incredibly unhelpful. I don't even know how you got there. It's like some kind of fever dream fantasy.

    Have you been reading about the mental health issues related to COVID-19? I just see an undercurrent that is dangerous for the safety of law officers. Some are losing everything and we know alcohol sales are up and gun sales are up. Did you read Cwolfmann's link over the number of COVID-19 deaths?

    Law officers are starting to stand down over governors orders because they understand the time/risk factor on unproven restrictions is increasing. I think everyone posting here wants to do what is best and understand they are going to get COVID-19 sooner or later but want it to be much later.

    We know with the schools closed it is causing some kids harm because they may not have a safe environment and food like when the schools were open. The schools will not be opening in 4 months from now if we do not get more COVID-19 cases behind us. Sweden may be proven wrong yet time will tell.

    https://aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/sweden-avoids-full-lockdown-pm-insists-restrictions-continue-200420173945004.html


    According to some metrics, like alcohol sales, it is totally possible that people are drinking more. I still don't understand how you get to law enforcement being authorized to "mow down unarmed citizens."

    Alcohol sales are up across the board in the US. Gun sales are up in Kentucky, which might be affecting Gale's POV. Crime is up here, so I somewhat get it, although shooting a cop (or anyone) is still not in my imagination, so I don't get that.

    My n=1 is I am for sure drinking more right now ☺️ Didn't buy any guns though, that's not my jam. Though interestingly the VA legislature just ruled that while shooting ranges are not "essential" under the current def, they are covered under the 2nd amendment so they must be allowed to stay open if they choose. Not sure I agree, but I'm not too concerned with that one way or another. I'd rather folks shoot there than other places

    Here in the Charlottesville area crime is actually down. Its a pretty safe place to live regardless, but there was a story on the local news about how local police are being used more to distribute meals & supplies, help with social services, and doing more community outreach type stuff as there's less need especially for traffic and parking enforcement as well.
  • cmriverside
    cmriverside Posts: 34,289 Member
    On the TP thing. Besides going when the store first opens I go to stores that are large chains that have their own warehouses and distribution networks. Kroger here in Washington has had everything I wanted every time I went - including TP - although in early March the shelves were fairly empty - but I still bought some each time I went.
  • lokihen
    lokihen Posts: 382 Member
    spiriteagle99 wrote: »
    I went to two stores on Saturday, looking for rice for my sick dog. No luck. Today I went back to the same two. There was none in the larger chain store, but they had hand sanitzer and Chlorox bleach up near the checkout line. The smaller store had both white and brown rice. Small boxes, but at least I got some. I've only seen TP twice in the past 6 weeks. Walmart had some small packages, and i bought two as backup. Then a week later DH found a 16 pack. Now we don't have to think about it. My husband also found a box of supplies he had stored in the garage in case of disaster about 6 years ago. I knew nothing about it. We now have enough mac n'cheese, Spam, and dried milk to get us through a couple of weeks.

    For the person looking for dried milk: an Hispanic grocery or the Hispanic section of your grocery might sell it as NIDO. It's whole milk, rather than the skim that is usually sold. We use it backpacking.

    FYI: If the mac n'cheese has been sitting out there for 6 years there's a good chance the cheese powder has gone off. If the color is more brown than orange it won't taste good. Noodles should be fine to use though.
  • T1DCarnivoreRunner
    T1DCarnivoreRunner Posts: 11,502 Member
    edited April 2020
    kimny72 wrote: »
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    GaleHawkins wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    GaleHawkins wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    GaleHawkins wrote: »

    With the lock down being effectively over in the USA where law enforcement are not authorized to mow down unarmed citizens with machine guns . . .

    Dude, what on earth?

    I noted I was only speaking about USA laws. The news article explains how states are removing more and more restraints on people. This will help prevent social unrest even if medically if it is a step backwards. No one knows what to do in these times.

    Even with the restrictions, nobody was authorized to mow down unarmed citizens with machine guns. This is the kind of rhetoric that is incredibly unhelpful. I don't even know how you got there. It's like some kind of fever dream fantasy.

    Have you been reading about the mental health issues related to COVID-19? I just see an undercurrent that is dangerous for the safety of law officers. Some are losing everything and we know alcohol sales are up and gun sales are up. Did you read Cwolfmann's link over the number of COVID-19 deaths?

    Law officers are starting to stand down over governors orders because they understand the time/risk factor on unproven restrictions is increasing. I think everyone posting here wants to do what is best and understand they are going to get COVID-19 sooner or later but want it to be much later.

    We know with the schools closed it is causing some kids harm because they may not have a safe environment and food like when the schools were open. The schools will not be opening in 4 months from now if we do not get more COVID-19 cases behind us. Sweden may be proven wrong yet time will tell.

    https://aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/sweden-avoids-full-lockdown-pm-insists-restrictions-continue-200420173945004.html


    According to some metrics, like alcohol sales, it is totally possible that people are drinking more. I still don't understand how you get to law enforcement being authorized to "mow down unarmed citizens."

    Alcohol sales are up across the board in the US. Gun sales are up in Kentucky, which might be affecting Gale's POV. Crime is up here, so I somewhat get it, although shooting a cop (or anyone) is still not in my imagination, so I don't get that.

    My n=1 is I am for sure drinking more right now ☺️ Didn't buy any guns though, that's not my jam. Though interestingly the VA legislature just ruled that while shooting ranges are not "essential" under the current def, they are covered under the 2nd amendment so they must be allowed to stay open if they choose. Not sure I agree, but I'm not too concerned with that one way or another. I'd rather folks shoot there than other places

    Here in the Charlottesville area crime is actually down. Its a pretty safe place to live regardless, but there was a story on the local news about how local police are being used more to distribute meals & supplies, help with social services, and doing more community outreach type stuff as there's less need especially for traffic and parking enforcement as well.

    I can physically only shoot 2 guns at any given time since I am not dextrous enough to shoot with either foot. So I was covered long before the pandemic was a thing. I haven't even tried to buy a gun all year. Meanwhile, I am working on increasing dexterity in toes, but that has nothing to do with shooting and more related to specific running strength.

    Here in TN, the increase in handgun sales in 2020 and in concealed carry permits has a lot more to do with legal changes than the pandemic. Prior to Jan. 1, all handgun licenses here required both a class and specific range qualifying standards. On Jan. 1, those of us with existing handgun licenses became "enhanced" license holders (similar to the MS "enhanced" licenses) and a new "concealed only" license became available. To get a "concealed only" license, one must take a class only. No shooting qualification is required for that new version of handgun license. Consequently, more people got this license and more handguns have been sold in 2020.

    ETA: Class for concealed carry license can be done online and the fingerprinting can be done at some essential businesses like I know locally, the UPS store does this. Only thing I dont know is if the state Driver Service center is open to gake the application and photo for new licenses.

    Either way, increased gun sales could also be due to licenses applied for before state Driver Service centers would have closed, if they did at all late Mar. Increased gun sales, at least in TN. are partly due to laws making it easier to get a carry license.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 33,636 Member
    T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
    This explanation fits my observations much better than the "people are using more household TP and less commercial TP" story: https://nationalpost.com/life/covid-19-toilet-paper-shortage

    I'm not arguing it's untrue that people use more at home, just that it isn't so much more that it can explain the severity of shortage I am seeing. Then again, it sounds like the severity I am seeing is much worse than what people in other parts of the U.S. are seeing.

    As I noted before, I went to the grocery store at 6 pm and got TP, so at this point it seems a regional issue. Maybe TN is more of a hoarder state.

    Yes, I've heard from people I know in NE, IA, and IN that tell me they can get it also. I just don't understand why we are different, but very well could be that there are more hoarders here. It could also be that it just isn't getting shipped here. I don't know, but it bothers me.

    I've seen it on the shelves in MI, too. They're sometimes low stock, and early on some were no-stock (week or so?), but it's definitely available, and I'm hearing the same impressions from local friends, FWIW.

    kimny72 wrote: »
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    GaleHawkins wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    GaleHawkins wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    GaleHawkins wrote: »

    With the lock down being effectively over in the USA where law enforcement are not authorized to mow down unarmed citizens with machine guns . . .

    Dude, what on earth?

    I noted I was only speaking about USA laws. The news article explains how states are removing more and more restraints on people. This will help prevent social unrest even if medically if it is a step backwards. No one knows what to do in these times.

    Even with the restrictions, nobody was authorized to mow down unarmed citizens with machine guns. This is the kind of rhetoric that is incredibly unhelpful. I don't even know how you got there. It's like some kind of fever dream fantasy.

    Have you been reading about the mental health issues related to COVID-19? I just see an undercurrent that is dangerous for the safety of law officers. Some are losing everything and we know alcohol sales are up and gun sales are up. Did you read Cwolfmann's link over the number of COVID-19 deaths?

    Law officers are starting to stand down over governors orders because they understand the time/risk factor on unproven restrictions is increasing. I think everyone posting here wants to do what is best and understand they are going to get COVID-19 sooner or later but want it to be much later.

    We know with the schools closed it is causing some kids harm because they may not have a safe environment and food like when the schools were open. The schools will not be opening in 4 months from now if we do not get more COVID-19 cases behind us. Sweden may be proven wrong yet time will tell.

    https://aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/sweden-avoids-full-lockdown-pm-insists-restrictions-continue-200420173945004.html


    According to some metrics, like alcohol sales, it is totally possible that people are drinking more. I still don't understand how you get to law enforcement being authorized to "mow down unarmed citizens."

    Alcohol sales are up across the board in the US. Gun sales are up in Kentucky, which might be affecting Gale's POV. Crime is up here, so I somewhat get it, although shooting a cop (or anyone) is still not in my imagination, so I don't get that.

    My n=1 is I am for sure drinking more right now ☺️ Didn't buy any guns though, that's not my jam. Though interestingly the VA legislature just ruled that while shooting ranges are not "essential" under the current def, they are covered under the 2nd amendment so they must be allowed to stay open if they choose. Not sure I agree, but I'm not too concerned with that one way or another. I'd rather folks shoot there than other places

    Here in the Charlottesville area crime is actually down. Its a pretty safe place to live regardless, but there was a story on the local news about how local police are being used more to distribute meals & supplies, help with social services, and doing more community outreach type stuff as there's less need especially for traffic and parking enforcement as well.

    FWIW, most outdoor shooting ranges (based on ones I've been to) should be able to maintain 6-foot distancing without much difficulty. I don't have much experience with indoor ranges (enough rural areas here I've mostly shot outside), and their design may differ, but it's not unusual for them to have partitions (not necessarily full walls, but a barrier) between stations. The big ones could go every other position for bigger distancing. Might not be too terrible, on the scale of "able to stay safe". Whether they take those steps is a whole other matter, of course.
  • RetiredAndLovingIt
    RetiredAndLovingIt Posts: 1,394 Member
    I am in Iowa. Daughter was in Costco a week ago & still no TP. When I have done an online for pickup at grocery store, TP was one thing I did not receive. Getting about 1/2-3/4 of what we order for other stuff. But Target had a bunch of TP according to son in law, so he got some for us, lol.

    Our Governor is starting to open up 77 of 99 counties on Friday because they show no or little virus activity. The rest still shut down until at least May 15. Our daily positive case numbers are about 4x higher than a week ago, but they say it is because they are testing more. I feel like it shows that there is more spread than we knew.
  • lcullerton
    lcullerton Posts: 4 Member
    I like this milk. No need to refrigerate unless opened. lunch box size that comes in a box with multiple lunch box milks. Bought at King Soopers https://horizon.com/organic-dairy-products/organic-milk/shelf-stable-organic-plain-1-percent-milk/
  • T1DCarnivoreRunner
    T1DCarnivoreRunner Posts: 11,502 Member
    RetiredAndLovingIt wrote: »
    I am in Iowa. Daughter was in Costco a week ago & still no TP. When I have done an online for pickup at grocery store, TP was one thing I did not receive. Getting about 1/2-3/4 of what we order for other stuff. But Target had a bunch of TP according to son in law, so he got some for us, lol.

    Our Governor is starting to open up 77 of 99 counties on Friday because they show no or little virus activity. The rest still shut down until at least May 15. Our daily positive case numbers are about 4x higher than a week ago, but they say it is because they are testing more. I feel like it shows that there is more spread than we knew.

    I've heard from Omaha (not in IA, but close) and from people in IA: Clarinda, Des Moines, and Iowa City that they have some TP available and have for the last week. Friends and family from IA and one from IN offered to mail some to me, but I think the shipping costs are not worth it, at least unless I run out of paper towels too.
  • RetiredAndLovingIt
    RetiredAndLovingIt Posts: 1,394 Member
    edited April 2020
    They did have paper towels & tissues, tho.
  • kimny72
    kimny72 Posts: 16,013 Member
    T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
    RetiredAndLovingIt wrote: »
    I am in Iowa. Daughter was in Costco a week ago & still no TP. When I have done an online for pickup at grocery store, TP was one thing I did not receive. Getting about 1/2-3/4 of what we order for other stuff. But Target had a bunch of TP according to son in law, so he got some for us, lol.

    Our Governor is starting to open up 77 of 99 counties on Friday because they show no or little virus activity. The rest still shut down until at least May 15. Our daily positive case numbers are about 4x higher than a week ago, but they say it is because they are testing more. I feel like it shows that there is more spread than we knew.

    I've heard from Omaha (not in IA, but close) and from people in IA: Clarinda, Des Moines, and Iowa City that they have some TP available and have for the last week. Friends and family from IA and one from IN offered to mail some to me, but I think the shipping costs are not worth it, at least unless I run out of paper towels too.

    Do you belong to Costco? I went to Walmart at 8:30 this morning - no TP. Last I looked there was none in Target, Food Lion, Harris Teeter, CVS, or Kroger either. But my dad said Costco has had some every time he's been. I'm still working my way through a 9 pack I luckily bought right before all this started, so I don't have to worry yet! Had to buy store brand tissues though, which I'm not thrilled about :lol:
  • RetiredAndLovingIt
    RetiredAndLovingIt Posts: 1,394 Member
    Another thing in short supply is hand soap. Cousin says hard time finding dish soap.
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    RetiredAndLovingIt wrote: »
    Another thing in short supply is hand soap. Cousin says hard time finding dish soap.

    My typical shopping destination has had trouble keeping stock of dish soap and dishwasher detergent, although I haven't looked any other places. They have had plenty of hand soap.
  • T1DCarnivoreRunner
    T1DCarnivoreRunner Posts: 11,502 Member
    kimny72 wrote: »
    T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
    RetiredAndLovingIt wrote: »
    I am in Iowa. Daughter was in Costco a week ago & still no TP. When I have done an online for pickup at grocery store, TP was one thing I did not receive. Getting about 1/2-3/4 of what we order for other stuff. But Target had a bunch of TP according to son in law, so he got some for us, lol.

    Our Governor is starting to open up 77 of 99 counties on Friday because they show no or little virus activity. The rest still shut down until at least May 15. Our daily positive case numbers are about 4x higher than a week ago, but they say it is because they are testing more. I feel like it shows that there is more spread than we knew.

    I've heard from Omaha (not in IA, but close) and from people in IA: Clarinda, Des Moines, and Iowa City that they have some TP available and have for the last week. Friends and family from IA and one from IN offered to mail some to me, but I think the shipping costs are not worth it, at least unless I run out of paper towels too.

    Do you belong to Costco? I went to Walmart at 8:30 this morning - no TP. Last I looked there was none in Target, Food Lion, Harris Teeter, CVS, or Kroger either. But my dad said Costco has had some every time he's been. I'm still working my way through a 9 pack I luckily bought right before all this started, so I don't have to worry yet! Had to buy store brand tissues though, which I'm not thrilled about :lol:

    No, but even if I was a member, I think the nearest Costco is probably Memphis. That's about a 2 hr. drive and while that would not normally be uncommon for a weekend trip, I'm trying to limit movement these days. Plus Memphis area has a lot more known cases, so is a higher risk area anyway.
  • nutmegoreo
    nutmegoreo Posts: 15,532 Member
    edited April 2020
    kimny72 wrote: »
    T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
    RetiredAndLovingIt wrote: »
    I am in Iowa. Daughter was in Costco a week ago & still no TP. When I have done an online for pickup at grocery store, TP was one thing I did not receive. Getting about 1/2-3/4 of what we order for other stuff. But Target had a bunch of TP according to son in law, so he got some for us, lol.

    Our Governor is starting to open up 77 of 99 counties on Friday because they show no or little virus activity. The rest still shut down until at least May 15. Our daily positive case numbers are about 4x higher than a week ago, but they say it is because they are testing more. I feel like it shows that there is more spread than we knew.

    I've heard from Omaha (not in IA, but close) and from people in IA: Clarinda, Des Moines, and Iowa City that they have some TP available and have for the last week. Friends and family from IA and one from IN offered to mail some to me, but I think the shipping costs are not worth it, at least unless I run out of paper towels too.

    Do you belong to Costco? I went to Walmart at 8:30 this morning - no TP. Last I looked there was none in Target, Food Lion, Harris Teeter, CVS, or Kroger either. But my dad said Costco has had some every time he's been. I'm still working my way through a 9 pack I luckily bought right before all this started, so I don't have to worry yet! Had to buy store brand tissues though, which I'm not thrilled about :lol:

    Not sure about the US, but in Canada, you don't have to have a membership. Someone bought me a cash card some time ago and I finally used it a couple weeks ago. I had to go to the desk and get a day pass. I exceeded the cash card value by $75. They were fine with that as long as I paid by debit, they wouldn't accept credit card for the extra. Alternatively, they do allow members to bring a guest, but right now it is being limited to one non-member guest (at least it was here two weeks ago - it could be different regionally, and as time has passed).
  • earlnabby
    earlnabby Posts: 8,171 Member
    Just got back from Aldi. They had plenty of TP and paper towels, no sanitizer, fresh meat was a bit low, no yeast but plenty of flour.

    Our governor is lifting a few restrictions but the Safer At Home orders are in place. Places like pet groomers can open but they have to be no contact, curbside drop off and pick up only. Any retailer can open for curbside pickup. Outdoor recreation is slightly opening too. For example, state parks and trails are open but welcome centers, picnic areas, etc. are closed. Public and private boat launches and marinas can open but must restrict how many vehicles are launching at any one time. Golf courses can open but only for golfing and cart rental, clubhouses have to stay closed.

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