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Interesting you mention "The government cant tell me what to do". I don't live in the USA but in conversation with my wife i predicted that Americans would protest the restrictions. The overriding claim of liberty, freedom, and rights, would never tolerate lockdowns and curfews like everybody else in the world. Now the protests have started. And the freedom to "do as I please" will be everyone's downfall.
I reread Connie Willis's The Doomsday Book at the beginning of all this, and recommend it in general for anyone who likes time travel fiction, but there also are some interesting parallels to the current situation, including Americans not accepting quarantine (and allegedly not having done so with a virus epidemic in the 21st century).
We actually are doing better than I think the book projects.0 -
I'm not sure how the US protests are being reported in other countries, but sometimes I feel like media in one country don't necessarily get the full picture across exactly proportional to reality, when they're covering stories in another country. (I'm not saying "other countries get the US wrong", I'm saying media in many countries are a little off-tone sometimes when reporting on countries that are not their own.)
I believe that the protest in Lansing, Michigan, US, was one of the larger ones in the US, if not the largest so far. (I live in Michigan, near Lansing.)
From what I've heard the one in IL (in Springfield) was about 20 people, so I am not taking it all that seriously. I think it's basically an ill-designed Trump rally.
Also this: https://www.businessinsider.com/michiganders-approve-of-whitmer-on-coronavirus-despite-protests-poll-2020-4
And as noted before, I respect Ohio's governor DeWine, who is doing what he thinks is right (even if he is an OSU fan, but that's not as bad as being an MSU fan). ;-)2 -
Ann, yes I get that the number of people protesting is quite a small percentage (and not sure where the brandishing guns part came in?) - nevertheless - again reporting facts - there have been no such group protests that I know of in Australia of any size.
Individual people breaking rules in relatively small ways - having illegal parties, doing non essential travel, etc - yes they are here as in all countries.
and there have been fines for non compliance
But organised protests of any sort - none that I have heard of.1 -
paperpudding wrote: »Ann, yes I get that the number of people protesting is quite a small percentage (and not sure where the brandishing guns part came in?) - nevertheless - again reporting facts - there have been no such group protests that I know of in Australia of any size.
Individual people breaking rules in relatively small ways - having illegal parties, doing non essential travel, etc - yes they are here as in all countries.
and there have been fines for non compliance
But organised protests of any sort - none that I have heard of.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/dozens-attend-anti-coronavirus-lockdown-protest-in-regional-victoria
Here.
(And the brandishing of guns and -- of all things -- confederate flags cause me to take it non seriously in the northern midwest. I don't think normal people in the northern midwest think the confederate flag stands for much more than racism or the death of their ancestors in the CW. I know a heck of a lot of my own relatives and ancestors died for the USA in fighting against the Confederacy and for people in the north to fly that flag upsets me. But then I live in a neighborhood named after Lincoln and wouldn't have thought he was controversial or that saying the USA was right in the CW is a political comment. If so, I'm honestly disgusted.)9 -
There looks to be a handful of people protesting in Victoria. Honestly no one is chucking tantrums over here hardly at all. First time I've heard of any too. There is nothing to protest over. We just need to be safe and not get the virus. End of story.6
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paperpudding wrote: »Ann, yes I get that the number of people protesting is quite a small percentage (and not sure where the brandishing guns part came in?) - nevertheless - again reporting facts - there have been no such group protests that I know of in Australia of any size.
Individual people breaking rules in relatively small ways - having illegal parties, doing non essential travel, etc - yes they are here as in all countries.
and there have been fines for non compliance
But organised protests of any sort - none that I have heard of.
I had and have no intention to suggest that any protests are (or aren't) taking place anywhere else in the world: I don't know. And I'm not trying to deny the US ones. I'm not even trying to minimize them, or defend them: I'm just trying to provide some idea of scale, within their context.
It has just not been clear to me that others elsewhere understood how really small the actual protests have been, in numbers. The coverage has been quite dramatic, even in the US. I have no idea how it looks from abroad. My concern was that it may look like a bigger deal than it actually is.
I mentioned the gun aspect because that was covered in a very splashy way in some sources here, and I wasn't sure how it might have been portrayed (if at all) abroad.6 -
The Memphis protest had like three guys at it. It rained, and no one was invested enough in the protest to get wet. One of the three wasn’t even from here, he drove in from Fayette county.
The few protesters we do have in Tennessee are a nasty breed, however. Nashville had some chick with a sign that said “Sacrifice the Weak.” Sign went viral. I always wonder, don’t any of these people have elderly parents? Or do they just really not like them much?4 -
Last time I checked we've had zero here new cases in in 2 or 3 weeks. No deaths yet. No one in hospital right now. I don't really like our government but they are doing something right. Only cases are from overseas travellers.
can i ask where your here is?0 -
I can't remember where i heard this, mainstreem news is all I hear. The cause of higher male deaths were considered to have something to do with the single x chromosome, women having two therefore the female body has two immume imputs thought one is usually dominant.
I read an article about this as well. I think it was in the NY Times or the Atlantic. I'm thinking a week or more back, but I find that "corona-time" is distorted, and most things feel like they were longer ago than they actually were, possibly because the news changes so quickly.
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paperpudding wrote: »
can i ask where your here is?
I believe Sue is Queensland.0 -
I admit I've not watched any news in 4 days.. I was just so over it, I needed a break. I watched tonight and was sad to see it now at 83 😔 seems like only the other day it was under 50. Stop.. I just wish that figure would not go higher.
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paperpudding wrote: »Ann, yes I get that the number of people protesting is quite a small percentage (and not sure where the brandishing guns part came in?) - nevertheless - again reporting facts - there have been no such group protests that I know of in Australia of any size.
Individual people breaking rules in relatively small ways - having illegal parties, doing non essential travel, etc - yes they are here as in all countries.
and there have been fines for non compliance
But organised protests of any sort - none that I have heard of.
Free speech is a very important part of freedom. Over reporting, as well as under reporting, can, and does, cause political bias on any issue.
Fact is, with this virus, confined exposure to it, shows increased risk, ie: cruise ships, airplanes, prisons, nursing homes (with high risk group people with pre-existing conditions), big cities (with high populations, more than many countries, in a relatively small area). There is no vaccine or cure yet, still inadequate testing. By stopping travel, and shutting things down, they have slowed down the spread. Slowly reopening, with limitations, and analyzing every step of the way, is the prudent way to do this.
Personal, moral, and political responsibility is imperative.7 -
Wow. That is just so wrong.
You have to wonder how many of those on the beaches, when they end up getting sick in 2 weeks, will curse themselves for being stupid and senseless?
It's truly sad to see this because of all the people who are trying to do the right and safe things, then there are all these masses who can undo all that in a matter of a few 'enjoy the sun and everybody else be damned' moments.
How can there still be people thinking this is no big deal? That the media is over-blowing everything? I agree it might be to a small extent. But this? No. This is real. And the congregating on the beaches, in protests, in masses, will just negate all the hard work that has been done to try and contain this. 6 -
rheddmobile wrote: »The Memphis protest had like three guys at it. It rained, and no one was invested enough in the protest to get wet. One of the three wasn’t even from here, he drove in from Fayette county.
The few protesters we do have in Tennessee are a nasty breed, however. Nashville had some chick with a sign that said “Sacrifice the Weak.” Sign went viral. I always wonder, don’t any of these people have elderly parents? Or do they just really not like them much?
OMG that's horrible. People like that, actually have friends and family that still speak to them? Oh wait, being stupid and unfeeling isn't just one isolated incident. And it's not just the elderly parents anymore. It's children, babies, essential workers, doctors/nurses, healthy 20-30-40-50 yos., deaths are touching everyone. 4 -
paperpudding wrote: »
can i ask where your here is?
Hi down there. I'm in Townsville, far North Queensland.0 -
OMG that's horrible. People like that, actually have friends and family that still speak to them? Oh wait, being stupid and unfeeling isn't just one isolated incident. And it's not just the elderly parents anymore. It's children, babies, essential workers, doctors/nurses, healthy 20-30-40-50 yos., deaths are touching everyone.
Definitely a lot of ignorance out there. I read the other day about a 5 month old dying from this. It’s very sad the total lack of compassion.4 -
I had and have no intention to suggest that any protests are (or aren't) taking place anywhere else in the world: I don't know. And I'm not trying to deny the US ones. I'm not even trying to minimize them, or defend them: I'm just trying to provide some idea of scale, within their context.
It has just not been clear to me that others elsewhere understood how really small the actual protests have been, in numbers. The coverage has been quite dramatic, even in the US. I have no idea how it looks from abroad. My concern was that it may look like a bigger deal than it actually is.
I mentioned the gun aspect because that was covered in a very splashy way in some sources here, and I wasn't sure how it might have been portrayed (if at all) abroad.
We did see the protesting (no guns though--strange, the Italians love to show how Americans are running around with guns in hand). They didn't make a huge deal of it, it was a clip mixed in with other things. Now they're showing American beaches full of people.2 -
slimgirljo15 wrote: »I admit I've not watched any news in 4 days.. I was just so over it, I needed a break. I watched tonight and was sad to see it now at 83 😔 seems like only the other day it was under 50. Stop.. I just wish that figure would not go higher.
We have 27,000 dead, I think, as of yesterday.3 -
Yay Snowflake, you got yourself an avatar.3
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L1zardQueen wrote: »Yay Snowflake, you got yourself an avatar.
Yes!!!!! I'm figuring out how to do it. The App is Italian and won't let me on the English boards, but my newsfeed is in English and my friends list. I tried changing my profile on the App, and victory!!! My big problem is getting photos from my phone to my computer. My phone is a Samsung S8 and my computer MacBook Air. I have to send photos to myself via e-mail. It's not worth the hassle. My son is working on it. I've got a lot of great photos--especially of food.11 -
Wow. That is just so wrong.
Some of the reports said people were going to the beach to escape the record high heat in the area.
What do you think, probably 98%+ of the people out there have air conditioned homes and cars?
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snowflake954 wrote: »
Yes!!!!! I'm figuring out how to do it. The App is Italian and won't let me on the English boards, but my newsfeed is in English and my friends list. I tried changing my profile on the App, and victory!!! My big problem is getting photos from my phone to my computer. My phone is a Samsung S8 and my computer MacBook Air. I have to send photos to myself via e-mail. It's not worth the hassle. My son is working on it. I've got a lot of great photos--especially of food.
If you have a social media account that you don't use (I use twitter for that purpose), you can share from your phone to your social media account directly and access the picture on your computer without clogging up your email.1 -
Hi down there. I'm in Townsville, far North Queensland.
Ok, thanks for that.
So the zero new cases and no deaths statistic was for Townsville, not the whole state of Qld?
Similar situation in my regional town in SA - 6 total cases, all diagnosed around 4 weeks ago, all recovered.
SA now on 4 consecutive days of zero new cases, and total new cases in last week only 3.
I see Qld and WA are relaxing some restrictions now - our restrictions have never been as tight down here so basically you are going to be same level we have been all along - groups of 10 ok, outdoor no contact activities ok: fishing, picnicking etc.
Beaches here have stayed open too and people have been good at socially distancing on them - probably not hard on southern beaches in April, not sure how it would work on Gold Coast, Airlie Beach and co in Qld.
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missysippy930 wrote: »
Definitely a lot of ignorance out there. I read the other day about a 5 month old dying from this. It’s very sad the total lack of compassion.
The thing is with that image of the beach: most of those groups are six feet apart. That's the "rule" in California, right? I know here in Washington the rule also states to not be within six feet of anyone, and to not go out with people that you don't live with. Well, in my twenties I lived in a couple different houses with 4-6 unrelated people. What are you gonna do? Stop everyone and ask for ID? I mean, it's impossible to enforce, most people won't obey it anyway, and like someone said upthread the paranoia isn't good for us at all. Being afraid of every person out there is bad.
I live in King County, WA. We've been locked down since March 11. It's not sustainable. With about 500 people per 100,000 testing positive (and that number is derived by only testing those with symptoms, so I concede it's not representational) it's pretty hard to strike a lot of fear into people. Out of those 6,000 people who tested positive (out of a population of 2.2 million,) 361 have died. 224 of those were over 80 YO.
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Interesting you mention "The government cant tell me what to do". I don't live in the USA but in conversation with my wife i predicted that Americans would protest the restrictions. The overriding claim of liberty, freedom, and rights, would never tolerate lockdowns and curfews like everybody else in the world. Now the protests have started. And the freedom to "do as I please" will be everyone's downfall.
It's a mixed bag over here in the USA. Some folks are being very careful, and some are not. I see a lot of arguing about what is safe, ranging from staying well apart and wearing masks to "the beaches are fine, fresh air and sunlight keep you healthy." More folks are having food delivered to avoid contact in the stores, while others persist on going out to the stores.2 -
cmriverside wrote: »
The thing is with that image of the beach: most of those groups are six feet apart. That's the "rule" in California, right? I know here in Washington the rule also states to not be within six feet of anyone, and to not go out with people that you don't live with. Well, in my twenties I lived in a couple different houses with 4-6 unrelated people. What are you gonna do? Stop everyone and ask for ID? I mean, it's impossible to enforce, most people won't obey it anyway, and like someone said upthread the paranoia isn't good for us at all. Being afraid of every person out there is bad.
I live in King County, WA. We've been locked down since March 11. It's not sustainable. With about 500 people per 100,000 testing positive (and that number is derived by only testing those with symptoms, so I concede it's not representational) it's pretty hard to strike a lot of fear into people. Out of those 6,000 people who tested positive (out of a population of 2.2 million,) 361 have died. 224 of those were over 80 YO.
It isn’t sustainable, but we’re talking about a microscopic virus that anyone is vulnerable to contracting and spreading through contact with another person possibly, without any knowledge of having the virus. Common sense should prevail by limiting possible contact through unnecessary mingling in society, until there’s a vaccine available. Going to the beach, or getting your nails done, isn’t really necessary. Reopening slowly, with strict guidelines and safety equipment (masks etc). Daily monitoring of the health of employees. Keeping track of who we have been in contact with, being mindful of the chance of contracting the virus through possible contact.7 -
missysippy930 wrote: »
It isn’t sustainable, but we’re talking about a microscopic virus that anyone is vulnerable to contracting and spreading through contact with another person possibly, without any knowledge of having the virus. Common sense should prevail by limiting possible contact through unnecessary mingling in society, until there’s a vaccine available. Going to the beach, or getting your nails done, isn’t really necessary. Reopening slowly, with strict guidelines and safety equipment (masks etc). Daily monitoring of the health of employees. Keeping track of who we have been in contact with, being mindful of the chance of contracting the virus through possible contact.
But you'd have to convince people that they are in fact in mortal danger.
The numbers just don't support that.
AND - that microscopic virus...you think you're vigilent enough to mitigate any possible contact for the 18 months that it will take to create a vaccination process? Because I don't think I am, and I live alone so I 100% control my environment.6 -
cmriverside wrote: »
But you'd have to convince people that they are in fact in mortal danger.
The numbers just don't support that.
AND - that microscopic virus...you think you're vigilent enough to mitigate any possible contact for the 18 months that it will take to create a vaccination process? Because I don't think I am, and I live alone so I 100% control my environment.
Yes, I am vigilant enough.
I don’t want to be responsible for possibly passing it on to one person because I had to go to the beach, get my nails done, a haircut, go to a movie, concert, play, sporting event etc. There’s a right way and a wrong way to do this.
Bottom line is contracting it for some, is mortal danger. You may be fine with possibly passing it on, I’m definitely not. Amazon, Apple, Google and corporations ARE important, but people are MORE important.11 -
So, you're not going to be within six feet of another human being for 18 months? 15 feet, if you're in their slipstream while exercising?2
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