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  • missysippy930
    missysippy930 Posts: 2,577 Member
    edited April 2020
    ReenieHJ wrote: »
    rheddmobile wrote: »
    The Memphis protest had like three guys at it. It rained, and no one was invested enough in the protest to get wet. One of the three wasn’t even from here, he drove in from Fayette county.

    The few protesters we do have in Tennessee are a nasty breed, however. Nashville had some chick with a sign that said “Sacrifice the Weak.” Sign went viral. I always wonder, don’t any of these people have elderly parents? Or do they just really not like them much?

    OMG that's horrible. :( People like that, actually have friends and family that still speak to them? Oh wait, being stupid and unfeeling isn't just one isolated incident. :( And it's not just the elderly parents anymore. :( It's children, babies, essential workers, doctors/nurses, healthy 20-30-40-50 yos., deaths are touching everyone. :(

    Definitely a lot of ignorance out there. I read the other day about a 5 month old dying from this. It’s very sad the total lack of compassion.
  • snowflake954
    snowflake954 Posts: 8,399 Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    paperpudding wrote: »
    Ann, yes I get that the number of people protesting is quite a small percentage (and not sure where the brandishing guns part came in?) - nevertheless - again reporting facts - there have been no such group protests that I know of in Australia of any size.

    Individual people breaking rules in relatively small ways - having illegal parties, doing non essential travel, etc - yes they are here as in all countries.
    and there have been fines for non compliance

    But organised protests of any sort - none that I have heard of.

    I had and have no intention to suggest that any protests are (or aren't) taking place anywhere else in the world: I don't know. And I'm not trying to deny the US ones. I'm not even trying to minimize them, or defend them: I'm just trying to provide some idea of scale, within their context.

    It has just not been clear to me that others elsewhere understood how really small the actual protests have been, in numbers. The coverage has been quite dramatic, even in the US. I have no idea how it looks from abroad. My concern was that it may look like a bigger deal than it actually is.

    I mentioned the gun aspect because that was covered in a very splashy way in some sources here, and I wasn't sure how it might have been portrayed (if at all) abroad.

    We did see the protesting (no guns though--strange, the Italians love to show how Americans are running around with guns in hand). They didn't make a huge deal of it, it was a clip mixed in with other things. Now they're showing American beaches full of people.
  • snowflake954
    snowflake954 Posts: 8,399 Member
    slimgirljo15 wrote: »
    I admit I've not watched any news in 4 days.. I was just so over it, I needed a break. I watched tonight and was sad to see it now at 83 😔 seems like only the other day it was under 50. Stop.. I just wish that figure would not go higher.
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    We have 27,000 dead, I think, as of yesterday.
  • L1zardQueen
    L1zardQueen Posts: 8,753 Member
    Yay Snowflake, you got yourself an avatar.
  • amusedmonkey
    amusedmonkey Posts: 10,330 Member
    snowflake954 wrote: »
    L1zardQueen wrote: »
    Yay Snowflake, you got yourself an avatar.

    Yes!!!!! I'm figuring out how to do it. The App is Italian and won't let me on the English boards, but my newsfeed is in English and my friends list. I tried changing my profile on the App, and victory!!! My big problem is getting photos from my phone to my computer. My phone is a Samsung S8 and my computer MacBook Air. I have to send photos to myself via e-mail. It's not worth the hassle. My son is working on it. I've got a lot of great photos--especially of food.

    If you have a social media account that you don't use (I use twitter for that purpose), you can share from your phone to your social media account directly and access the picture on your computer without clogging up your email.
  • paperpudding
    paperpudding Posts: 9,534 Member
    mockchoc wrote: »
    paperpudding wrote: »
    mockchoc wrote: »
    paperpudding wrote: »
    yes I'm sure rebelliousness is not confined to USA- and obviously there are degrees too.

    from mass protests to the person who just went to the shop for a non essential item or excercised for 5 mins more than the allowed time or whatever minor infraction applies to rules where you live

    I am unaware of any actual group protests here like I have seen in US though.

    whether that says we are less rebellious, less organised, just less of us - who knows?

    also of course we are not at the "'there is no way to contain it at this point" place here - in SA where I live it is contained, and new cases are down to single figures in the last week - total new cases for the week was 3, I think. Only 33 active cases remain in the state. (all in isolation, of course)

    Last time I checked we've had zero here new cases in in 2 or 3 weeks. No deaths yet. No one in hospital right now. I don't really like our government but they are doing something right. Only cases are from overseas travellers.

    can i ask where your here is?

    Hi down there. I'm in Townsville, far North Queensland.

    Ok, thanks for that.
    So the zero new cases and no deaths statistic was for Townsville, not the whole state of Qld?

    Similar situation in my regional town in SA - 6 total cases, all diagnosed around 4 weeks ago, all recovered.

    SA now on 4 consecutive days of zero new cases, and total new cases in last week only 3.

    I see Qld and WA are relaxing some restrictions now - our restrictions have never been as tight down here so basically you are going to be same level we have been all along - groups of 10 ok, outdoor no contact activities ok: fishing, picnicking etc.
    Beaches here have stayed open too and people have been good at socially distancing on them - probably not hard on southern beaches in April, not sure how it would work on Gold Coast, Airlie Beach and co in Qld.
  • lkpducky
    lkpducky Posts: 18,688 Member
    TonyB0588 wrote: »
    paperpudding wrote: »
    If some people don't see something, it's unpersuasive. And seeing "people not dying from a virus" or "hospitals not being overwhelmed in most places" is not "seeing something". Seeing nothing is unpersuasive.

    Ann I haven't quoted your whole post and its interesting paralells to Covid 19 crisis - but yes I can see exactly this same phenomenon in area in which I work

    Vaccinations: what can be seen: minor side effects like sore arm, redness, swelling, muscle ache
    What can't be seen; no case of polio, tetanus, measles etc

    Along with, like Covid restrictions, some The government cant tell me what to do, its not a nanny state, type thinking

    So I won't get my children/myself vaccinated because I had a really sore arm afterwards and the government cant tell me what to do and and nobody gets polio/tetanus/measles these days anyway m0946.gif

    Interesting you mention "The government cant tell me what to do". I don't live in the USA but in conversation with my wife i predicted that Americans would protest the restrictions. The overriding claim of liberty, freedom, and rights, would never tolerate lockdowns and curfews like everybody else in the world. Now the protests have started. And the freedom to "do as I please" will be everyone's downfall.

    It's a mixed bag over here in the USA. Some folks are being very careful, and some are not. I see a lot of arguing about what is safe, ranging from staying well apart and wearing masks to "the beaches are fine, fresh air and sunlight keep you healthy." More folks are having food delivered to avoid contact in the stores, while others persist on going out to the stores.
  • cmriverside
    cmriverside Posts: 34,856 Member
    So, you're not going to be within six feet of another human being for 18 months? 15 feet, if you're in their slipstream while exercising?
  • oocdc2
    oocdc2 Posts: 1,361 Member
    cmriverside wrote: »
    missysippy930 wrote: »
    ReenieHJ wrote: »
    rheddmobile wrote: »
    The Memphis protest had like three guys at it. It rained, and no one was invested enough in the protest to get wet. One of the three wasn’t even from here, he drove in from Fayette county.

    The few protesters we do have in Tennessee are a nasty breed, however. Nashville had some chick with a sign that said “Sacrifice the Weak.” Sign went viral. I always wonder, don’t any of these people have elderly parents? Or do they just really not like them much?

    OMG that's horrible. :( People like that, actually have friends and family that still speak to them? Oh wait, being stupid and unfeeling isn't just one isolated incident. :( And it's not just the elderly parents anymore. :( It's children, babies, essential workers, doctors/nurses, healthy 20-30-40-50 yos., deaths are touching everyone. :(

    Definitely a lot of ignorance out there. I read the other day about a 5 month old dying from this. It’s very sad the total lack of compassion.

    The thing is with that image of the beach: most of those groups are six feet apart. That's the "rule" in California, right? I know here in Washington the rule also states to not be within six feet of anyone, and to not go out with people that you don't live with. Well, in my twenties I lived in a couple different houses with 4-6 unrelated people. What are you gonna do? Stop everyone and ask for ID? I mean, it's impossible to enforce, most people won't obey it anyway, and like someone said upthread the paranoia isn't good for us at all. Being afraid of every person out there is bad.

    I live in King County, WA. We've been locked down since March 11. It's not sustainable. With about 500 people per 100,000 testing positive (and that number is derived by only testing those with symptoms, so I concede it's not representational) it's pretty hard to strike a lot of fear into people. Out of those 6,000 people who tested positive (out of a population of 2.2 million,) 361 have died. 224 of those were over 80 YO.


    It's also a question of density. I would think that so many people crowded together in clumps, even six feet from each other, negates the distancing.

    I'm glad your county is faring so well--it sounds like the lockdown has been effective. I hope your county can open sooner rather than later.
  • earlnabby
    earlnabby Posts: 8,171 Member
    Theoldguy1 wrote: »
    mockchoc wrote: »
    fitlulu4150 wrote: »
    Here's a pic from Huntington Beach in CA from today. Yeah, I think people have given up on social distancing, at least at the beaches here. I grew up between HB and Newport Beach in CA and while this isn't crowded by many standards, I don't think folks are really obeying the rules here. No clue what that might mean but as a 70 year old, I kind of think I'm going to be staying home for a long time even though I'd love nothing better than to go to the beach. :'(

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    Wow. That is just so wrong.

    Some of the reports said people were going to the beach to escape the record high heat in the area.

    What do you think, probably 98%+ of the people out there have air conditioned homes and cars?

    That would seem about right since an estimated 84% of homes here in the frozen north have A/C
  • lkpducky
    lkpducky Posts: 18,688 Member
    snowflake954 wrote: »
    ReenieHJ wrote: »
    I bought groceries this a.m. and was surprised at all the stuff I couldn't get or had to find substitutes for; it didn't seem to be like this even in the beginning. I thought retailers were catching up, maybe I just picked a bad time or something.
    On the upside I'd have to say a majority of the shoppers/workers are now wearing masks. Even if masks are not 100% effective, it makes me feel a bit more protected.

    So can someone please tell me what to believe? Everything seems to be hanging on the hope of more testing becoming available, testing to see if you have Covid-19 and testing to see if your body has antibodies so you'd be immune to it now. BUT with all the false negatives/positives and the fact that even if you've had it once may not indicate you're immune...........none of it's making sense to me. :( What good really is the testing and why is everyone waiting with baited breath for them to be more available?

    I read that they think that there are at least 30 strains of COVID19. Some are more aggressive than others. Without testing to see who has antibodies how can they tell for certain that you re-infect? They need to find those with antibodies, and then ask for volunteers to re-infect. Not simple, or fast. Then there's the question of how long immunity lasts. There again, testing. Some say sunlight kills the virus on surfaces after a certain time frame.

    This is new and there's a lot of data to evaluate and more data to collect. I think that there are months ahead of us, so patience is needed. We will learn more going forward and answers will come. In the meantime, evaluate your situation and stay safe. By that, I mean, if you are assisting elderly, then you need to be careful. If you're elderly yourself, ditto. We have to learn to protect ourselves from others, even family members for awhile.

    We don't know these things for sure, about how long immunity lasts or which antibodies mean people have immunity. Doing all this testing can help us answer these questions. But you are right that it will take a long time, months, to know the first answer.
  • T1DCarnivoreRunner
    T1DCarnivoreRunner Posts: 11,502 Member
    I went to the laundromat today and then to the store. I have plenty of food to last awhile, but was hoping they had toilet paper back in stock. This time, I decided to not try several stores as I know that if a store is out, they all are. No sense in putting myself at additional risk for no benefit whatsoever.

    The toilet paper aisle here looks exactly the same as it has for well over a month now. What is surprising is that there are still 4 boxes of Kleenex remaining. It's a respiratory illness, so that doesn't make sense... anyway, no toilet paper and no paper towels either. And since some people didn't believe me last time, here's a photo for the skeptics:
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  • lemurcat2
    lemurcat2 Posts: 7,887 Member
    snowflake954 wrote: »
    ReenieHJ wrote: »
    I bought groceries this a.m. and was surprised at all the stuff I couldn't get or had to find substitutes for; it didn't seem to be like this even in the beginning. I thought retailers were catching up, maybe I just picked a bad time or something.
    On the upside I'd have to say a majority of the shoppers/workers are now wearing masks. Even if masks are not 100% effective, it makes me feel a bit more protected.

    So can someone please tell me what to believe? Everything seems to be hanging on the hope of more testing becoming available, testing to see if you have Covid-19 and testing to see if your body has antibodies so you'd be immune to it now. BUT with all the false negatives/positives and the fact that even if you've had it once may not indicate you're immune...........none of it's making sense to me. :( What good really is the testing and why is everyone waiting with baited breath for them to be more available?

    I read that they think that there are at least 30 strains of COVID19. Some are more aggressive than others. Without testing to see who has antibodies how can they tell for certain that you re-infect? They need to find those with antibodies, and then ask for volunteers to re-infect. Not simple, or fast. Then there's the question of how long immunity lasts. There again, testing. Some say sunlight kills the virus on surfaces after a certain time frame.

    This is new and there's a lot of data to evaluate and more data to collect. I think that there are months ahead of us, so patience is needed. We will learn more going forward and answers will come. In the meantime, evaluate your situation and stay safe. By that, I mean, if you are assisting elderly, then you need to be careful. If you're elderly yourself, ditto. We have to learn to protect ourselves from others, even family members for awhile.

    This is a Chinese study that suggests it has mutated and that that ravaged Italy and NY and parts of the midwest are different than those that hit China and the western US. Makes sense to me but still questionable.
  • lemurcat2
    lemurcat2 Posts: 7,887 Member
    edited April 2020
    cmriverside wrote: »
    missysippy930 wrote: »
    cmriverside wrote: »
    missysippy930 wrote: »
    ReenieHJ wrote: »
    rheddmobile wrote: »
    The Memphis protest had like three guys at it. It rained, and no one was invested enough in the protest to get wet. One of the three wasn’t even from here, he drove in from Fayette county.

    The few protesters we do have in Tennessee are a nasty breed, however. Nashville had some chick with a sign that said “Sacrifice the Weak.” Sign went viral. I always wonder, don’t any of these people have elderly parents? Or do they just really not like them much?

    OMG that's horrible. :( People like that, actually have friends and family that still speak to them? Oh wait, being stupid and unfeeling isn't just one isolated incident. :( And it's not just the elderly parents anymore. :( It's children, babies, essential workers, doctors/nurses, healthy 20-30-40-50 yos., deaths are touching everyone. :(

    Definitely a lot of ignorance out there. I read the other day about a 5 month old dying from this. It’s very sad the total lack of compassion.

    The thing is with that image of the beach: most of those groups are six feet apart. That's the "rule" in California, right? I know here in Washington the rule also states to not be within six feet of anyone, and to not go out with people that you don't live with. Well, in my twenties I lived in a couple different houses with 4-6 unrelated people. What are you gonna do? Stop everyone and ask for ID? I mean, it's impossible to enforce, most people won't obey it anyway, and like someone said upthread the paranoia isn't good for us at all. Being afraid of every person out there is bad.

    I live in King County, WA. We've been locked down since March 11. It's not sustainable. With about 500 people per 100,000 testing positive (and that number is derived by only testing those with symptoms, so I concede it's not representational) it's pretty hard to strike a lot of fear into people. Out of those 6,000 people who tested positive (out of a population of 2.2 million,) 361 have died. 224 of those were over 80 YO.


    It isn’t sustainable, but we’re talking about a microscopic virus that anyone is vulnerable to contracting and spreading through contact with another person possibly, without any knowledge of having the virus. Common sense should prevail by limiting possible contact through unnecessary mingling in society, until there’s a vaccine available. Going to the beach, or getting your nails done, isn’t really necessary. Reopening slowly, with strict guidelines and safety equipment (masks etc). Daily monitoring of the health of employees. Keeping track of who we have been in contact with, being mindful of the chance of contracting the virus through possible contact.

    But you'd have to convince people that they are in fact in mortal danger.

    The numbers just don't support that.

    AND - that microscopic virus...you think you're vigilent enough to mitigate any possible contact for the 18 months that it will take to create a vaccination process? Because I don't think I am, and I live alone so I 100% control my environment.

    Your numbers aren't the same as numbers elsewhere. Why are numbers in WA less bad? Early lockdown or less bad strain? Who knows. But the results in many other places (like NYC) are far more dire.
  • cmriverside
    cmriverside Posts: 34,856 Member
    edited April 2020
    Yeah, the news..I can't watch it.
  • cmriverside
    cmriverside Posts: 34,856 Member
    edited April 2020
    Actual numbers of dead are more in NY, of course. Actual infection rate is higher, due to density. I wonder how much can be attributed to care-giver fatigue and lack of resources in NY too.

    We've had several clusters in nursing homes/care facilities, and that accounts for a small discrepancy.

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