Coronavirus prep

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  • JustSomeEm
    JustSomeEm Posts: 20,254 MFP Moderator
    Diatonic12 wrote: »
    @JustSomeEm

    Okay, I just shared this with the folks and first thing came to their minds about Covid toes, sounds like symptoms of pneumonic plague.

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/plague/symptoms-causes/syc-20351291


    Then we took a trip down memory lane and they reminded me of a childhood friend and mother who died of the plague. They had rabbits/fleas and they carried it to the family. Their toes turned black/blue and their entire bodies before they died. It was a sad day.

    @Diatonic12 - From your link, it looks like Septicemic plague (not bubonic) caused extremities blackened skin issues, but yikes! I'd never actually looked at the list of symptoms for any plague before. Thankfully COVID is a virus that might, maybe, possibly cause circulation issues, while the Plague was a bacteria that was waaaaaaay worse. Lets hope the symptoms for COVID19 don't end up including things like bleeding from orifices. :confused:

  • Diatonic12
    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
    @JustSomeEm Back then, they did identify it as a case of bubonic plague. I was just a small kid but have never ever forgotten it. I look at their house every time I drive by. He had a chemistry set he let us play with and we watched him do experiments, wanted to be a scientist. I have two cousins who died of hantavirus. They were cleaning out old sheds after my aunt died. I'm not taking any of this lightly but we really do appreciate your links.
    Thanks much.
    https://torringtontelegram.com/article/coronavirus-blamed-in-death-of-four-members-of-northern-arapaho-tribe :'(
  • JustSomeEm
    JustSomeEm Posts: 20,254 MFP Moderator
    Diatonic12 wrote: »
    @JustSomeEm Back then, they did identify it as a case of bubonic plague. I was just a small kid but have never ever forgotten it. I look at their house every time I drive by. He had a chemistry set he let us play with and we watched him do experiments, wanted to be a scientist. I have two cousins who died of hantavirus. They were cleaning out old sheds after my aunt died. I'm not taking any of this lightly but we really do appreciate your links.
    Thanks much.
    https://torringtontelegram.com/article/coronavirus-blamed-in-death-of-four-members-of-northern-arapaho-tribe :'(

    I believe you - I was just commenting on the different types of plague in your link, and being thankful that COVID19 isn't as bad as any of them. :) Your link really put into perspective for me that things could be worse. I've been too focused on the bad when there is plenty of 'not as bad as it could be'.

    Really tactless questions: When did your friend and their mother pass (meaning how long ago was it), and where were you? I'm very sorry that happened to you.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    Our governor is catching quite a bit of flack for extending to May 15 before starting to roll out a soft opening. IMO, this is prudent and follows the guidelines set out by the White House to have 14 days of declining numbers before phasing in openings.

    State wide, our curve has flattened, but we're not seeing overall declining numbers yet. There are currently two counties that are seeing a substantial surge in cases and a third that is still seeing increases, but starting to flatten out. Bernalillo County, Santa Fe County, and Taos County are currently seeing new cases and hospitalizations on the decline, but that has only been the last few days.

    To me, this is all very promising and I'm optimistic that we will indeed begin to re-open after May 15th. Another thing that a lot of people don't seem to get is that we can't just open the flood gates...it's not going to go back to January on May 16...it will be quite a long time before things return to that kind of operation, but a lot of people here responding on social media seem to think "opening" is going to be just flipping a switch to full operations overnight even though the governor has repeatedly said that this will all happen in phases.

    The bolded seems sensible on the technical front, maybe less so politically (not saying that politics should drive!).

    I can see the need to release opening-up rules somewhat before the actual event, to give businesses a little more planning/readiness time (something many haven't gotten with the steady march of quickly-imposed restrictions, in some regions).

    But waiting as long as practical gives the opening-up rules the benefit of planning task forces having observed the states/countries that have opened up earlier, and maybe adjusting plans based on others' good or bad ideas.

    From what I understand, the next few weeks will be spent in talks with the business community about what businesses will be allowed to re-open in phase I and what the rules and restrictions will be. This probably won't be communicated to the general public until there is more certainty that we will actually start opening things up a bit.
  • corinasue1143
    corinasue1143 Posts: 7,464 Member
    There was a protest here, wanting things to open sooner. 10 people showed up. There’s supposed to be an online protest tomorrow, wanting the governor to keep things locked down longer. Do you think it will be better attended, since people won’t actually have to get up and get dressed. Lol. It will be interesting to see.
  • spiriteagle99
    spiriteagle99 Posts: 3,740 Member
    Some good news in our county. Our death toll jumped on Monday from 0 to 10. Today it dropped back to 1. It turns out they were counting possible cases as actual. After objections from the Coroner,the number was dropped.
  • lemurcat2
    lemurcat2 Posts: 7,885 Member
    Unfortunately there are continued questions about the accuracy of the coronavirus antibodies test, but if it is generally accurate, this new study showing 21% of people in NYC infected already and 14% in NYS is positive, as it certainly reduces the death rate stats a lot.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/nyregion/coronavirus-new-york-update.html

    Of course the problem remains that if it spreads so much and if the antibodies don't prevent subsequent infection, it's going to be a lot of people dead anyway (and many not dead but very sick and possibly with ongoing effects, including lung damage).

    Also, the LA study increased infection rates a bunch (to the extent that if NYC had increased that much it would have meant everyone in NYC had it, apparently), but it was still only at 4.5%, which likely means most of the country still has pretty low infection rates (outside of certain kinds of group living situations like nursing homes and jails and prisons).
  • lemurcat2
    lemurcat2 Posts: 7,885 Member
    Interesting analysis showing likely persistent undercounting of corona deaths:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html

    Here, our stay at home order has been extended from 4/30 to 5/30, but with modifications that loosen the restrictions somewhat in some cases, but also will require masks as of 5/1. The hope is that warmer weather is going to help too.
  • rheddmobile
    rheddmobile Posts: 6,840 Member
    Diatonic12 wrote: »
    @JustSomeEm

    Okay, I just shared this with the folks and first thing came to their minds about Covid toes, sounds like symptoms of pneumonic plague.

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/plague/symptoms-causes/syc-20351291


    Then we took a trip down memory lane and they reminded me of a childhood friend and mother who died of the plague. They had rabbits/fleas and they carried it to the family. Their toes turned black/blue and their entire bodies before they died. It was a sad day.
    Petechiae and purpura are pretty common in severe infections - this sounds a lot like purpura to me, which is basically blood blisters under the skin on the extremities. Purpura is usually caused by the failure of blood to clot, while it sounds like they think the covid issues are caused by excess clotting. In any case, when an infection is in your bloodstream messing up your coagulation, the extremities are usually where you see it first.

    That’s interesting and sad about the childhood friend. Not too many people today have had the experience of knowing someone with plague.
  • TonyB0588
    TonyB0588 Posts: 9,520 Member
    There was a protest here, wanting things to open sooner. 10 people showed up. There’s supposed to be an online protest tomorrow, wanting the governor to keep things locked down longer. Do you think it will be better attended, since people won’t actually have to get up and get dressed. Lol. It will be interesting to see.

    Glad it was only 10. At least it made social distancing more practical.
  • corinasue1143
    corinasue1143 Posts: 7,464 Member
    Lol
  • ReenieHJ
    ReenieHJ Posts: 9,724 Member
    Cordera, he just had a leg amputated and is currently in a coma, due to Covid-19. When he first got sick, he tested negative twice for Covid and on the 3rd try, tested positive. That's too many false negatives. :(

    Had to have AAA jump my car yesterday and I asked the guy who came, if all his family/friends were staying healthy. He said 'oh we all had this back in December, we all got sick then and the media is over-playing all of this.' :(

    Last thought but certainly not least.....I'm now afraid too many desperate people will be self-administering antiseptic solutions, hoping to kill any possible virus. :(:( People are so afraid now, so willing to try any possible thing.

    We all need to remain cautious and smart about this. I saw pictures on MSN this a.m. of a firefighter's 5 month old baby girl who died from Covid. So much sadness. I know babies die from the flu every year. It doesn't matter to me; it's all sad and if any way can be seen to prevent a death or a million, I'll cautiously and intelligently do it.
  • ReenieHJ
    ReenieHJ Posts: 9,724 Member
    I'm not happy about the fact we are opening recreation first (according to the Washington governor.)

    Makes no sense. People are going to flock to parks and beaches and playgrounds.

    I guess there's some reasoning behind it - not sure what. If you're going to let people get together in recreational ways, let them work. Much more important in my view.

    I know I know, no one asked me.

    I think(JMO) that places and businesses do need to reopen BUT with restrictions applied. If you're going to flock the beach, you MUST keep your distance, wear a mask, etc., etc. People need to be doing these things, keeping businesses alive once again, but in a whole different way. It is certainly the epitome of a double-edged sword. :(
  • missysippy930
    missysippy930 Posts: 2,577 Member
    edited April 2020
    Economic repercussions from this are going to be staggering for a very long time. It’s important to get people back to work, making sure to do so in the safest possible way. The health and safety of people needs to be a priority over anything else. Slowly returning only with safety precautions in place and observations and reporting of employees health daily. There cannot be too much caution.
  • MarieBuch10
    MarieBuch10 Posts: 25 Member
    @AnnPT77 I don’t want to derail this thread but I personally would be very interested in hearing more about your experience with the “year 2000” panic. Don’t know if you’ve ever talked about this in depth on one of these boards, but if you were to post about it it would be very interesting! I was 4 at the time so have only vague memories of my mom sending me in to the basement to dip into her stockpile in the months after whatever should have happened, did not lol
  • T1DCarnivoreRunner
    T1DCarnivoreRunner Posts: 11,502 Member
    Theoldguy1 wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    @AnnPT77 I don’t want to derail this thread but I personally would be very interested in hearing more about your experience with the “year 2000” panic. Don’t know if you’ve ever talked about this in depth on one of these boards, but if you were to post about it it would be very interesting! I was 4 at the time so have only vague memories of my mom sending me in to the basement to dip into her stockpile in the months after whatever should have happened, did not lol


    One relevant aside: The things we're hearing lately, about the unemployment compensation systems failing under overload, and a call for programmers who know the antique COBOL programming language in order to help fix them, is an example of a consequence of organizations being willing to limp along with old systems as long as they keep working, rather than spending lotsa money to do pretty much the same thing, but in a more catastrophe-resistant way. Organizations prefer to spend money on systems that will deliver new services or features; they don't want to spend on back-office stuff that appears from the executive suite (or legislature, or average taxpayer perspective) to be working just fine. If these were buildings, folks would see them crumbling. Systems are invisible.

    Nice summary. I worked doing financial support for the IT area of a multi-national corporation. Our IT budget was close to $1B a year. Like most companies we had a lot of COBOL. I believe even now COBOL still processes 70-80% of business related transactions in the world.

    Seems I read at one time it would cost somewhere north of 2 TRILLION dollars to replace all the COBOL programs worldwide. It's not sexy but someone who can program/fix COBOL can make bank.

    I was thinking about learning Python (I work in corporate financial management). But maybe COBOL is the way to go after all. 🤔
  • rheddmobile
    rheddmobile Posts: 6,840 Member
    edited April 2020
    AnnPT77 wrote: »

    One relevant aside: The things we're hearing lately, about the unemployment compensation systems failing under overload, and a call for programmers who know the antique COBOL programming language in order to help fix them, is an example of a consequence of organizations being willing to limp along with old systems as long as they keep working, rather than spending lotsa money to do pretty much the same thing, but in a more catastrophe-resistant way. Organizations prefer to spend money on systems that will deliver new services or features; they don't want to spend on back-office stuff that appears from the executive suite (or legislature, or average taxpayer perspective) to be working just fine. If these were buildings, folks would see them crumbling. Systems are invisible.

    I think that’s valid, but only half the story. The other half has to do with software companies forcing regular upgrades on us in order to extort more money, and everyone getting used to hearing, “oh, it’s not working today, we ‘upgraded’ and now that feature isn’t working anymore.” End users are repeatedly told to stay up to date to avoid disaster, but then have the actual experience of the latest update bricking their expensive phone, making their printer driver incompatible etc. I personally have three scanners and I can’t count how many printers made by major manufacturers sitting in my attic which had to be replaced because the manufacturer never made a compatible driver when the operating system was upgraded. It’s not surprising that most businesses don’t see the need to throw out perfectly good hardware which worked yesterday because of a software upgrade. Not to mention replacing thousands of dollars worth of plugins, or tracking down new plugins to do the same thing, when a new version of my rendering software comes out. I work with a lot of guys whose philosophy is, “Don’t touch anything, it may be old but it’s working right now.”