Coronavirus prep
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@MikePfirrman Very interesting. Such leadership. Really don't know what there is to disagree with your comment.
Pandemics are pretty bad times to try to "go it alone" in the world. I think the US is going to learn a very difficult lesson. Right now we are "winning" at total cases, if we can trust any of these numbers. How many people have the virus and have not been included in the numbers due to lack of testing. I do hope that they develop a seralogic test that can be easily taken to see who had it. I know that they are working on it.
I agree, nothing to disagree with.
What’s truly amazing, is their parliament actually getting behind her which is benefiting the people of Germany.
Here, even now, partisan politics is at work.
But, throughout the country, state and local leadership, at least, is working for its citizens.13 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »
Manufacturers have increased production and others are converting lines to help with production...but it's not like flipping a switch and all of a sudden ventilators and PPE equipment comes rolling off these lines. Also, these companies supply a global market, not just the USA. It's a global market and global demand for a global crisis.
It's not quite as easy as snapping one's fingers and getting production to match worldwide demand. Not particularly a fan of this administration, but they're pretty limited in what they can really do here. The only thing they could really do is basically take control of the US stockpile as an emergency and distribute them where they see most fit...but at current, there would still be shortages around the country.
There are numerous articles showing production of new ventilators has not started, at least as of a few days ago. Decisive action, based on the information coming out of China, would have made a difference.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/marleycoyne/2020/03/23/gm-and-ford-are-not-yet-making-ventilators-despite-trumps-assertion/#3e7ef6214784
Also: "What is really needed, a number of public health experts and former government officials say, is for Washington to take control of the nation’s existing ventilator supply. Because peak coronavirus infections will hit cities and regions at different times in the coming months, a centralized federal effort could send unused machines to hospitals that need them most." https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/25/health/ventilators-coronavirus.html
Yeah...that's pretty much what I said...you don't just snap your fingers and convert manufacturing lines. It'll take weeks, if not months for Ford, GM, etc to convert lines. There has been some increased production as GE, the world's largest supplier of ventilators did start around the clock production. I also mentioned the federal government taking over the US stockpile...doing that will help in epicenters, but also leave others lacking. I think they should, but it still won't fully make up for a supply shortage.2 -
missysippy930 wrote: »How did Germany anticipate this well enough to have a good supply of tests available? Availability of the tests seems to be a major problem, at least in the US.
Because their government didn't down play the thing calling it a hoax, etc.21 -
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snowflake954 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »How did Germany anticipate this well enough to have a good supply of tests available? Availability of the tests seems to be a major problem, at least in the US.
THAT my dear is everyone's question. Or they are prepared for this. Most governments were caught with their pants down and no plan. I don't understand it because at least 15 years ago The Center for Disease Control in Atlanta was working on the possibility of an unstoppable virus. I read many articles on the topic and how they went into remote areas of the world to collect samples to try and stay ahead of any virus. What happened? I am dissapoint.
The administration dismantled the pandemic directorate in 201819 -
missysippy930 wrote: »@MikePfirrman Very interesting. Such leadership. Really don't know what there is to disagree with your comment.
Pandemics are pretty bad times to try to "go it alone" in the world. I think the US is going to learn a very difficult lesson. Right now we are "winning" at total cases, if we can trust any of these numbers. How many people have the virus and have not been included in the numbers due to lack of testing. I do hope that they develop a seralogic test that can be easily taken to see who had it. I know that they are working on it.
I agree, nothing to disagree with.
What’s truly amazing, is their parliament actually getting behind her which is benefiting the people of Germany.
Here, even now, partisan politics is at work.
But, throughout the country, state and local leadership, at least, is working for its citizens.
And this is what makes me extremely heart broken. All the grandstanding, finger pointing and unnecessary BS. I had to politely set my cousin straight because he tried to make a crappy political comment on my Facebook post.
I told him point blank we are in a serious crisis!! Get off my page with the nonsense! It is not about Democrats or Republicans!! Government stop the BS, get the facts and come up with a solution!! We are all in this together we need to work together!15 -
Just was FB chatting with my sis. She's a nurse in Las Vegas. She's been ordered to self-isolate. They think she's contracted it already. She said that she didn't want me to worry. They are going in with no protection. I'm devastated right now. So far, she said she doesn't feel too bad, but she's mad as hell about what they are telling the nurses. Writing them up if they take more than one mask and threatening to fire them.25
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I was cleaning up old newspapers and came across one from exactly a month ago when this was just starting in Italy. What an eyeopener! Articles saying "Keep Milan Open" We Can't Shut Down the Economy" "Schools Will Be Reopened Next Week". Very sad in retrospect.
We were in a different place. Photos of politicians smiling and in group meetings (some were later tested positive). It seems like a year ago. The decision to only test those with serious symptoms was made right there to stay in line with other countries.22 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »How did Germany anticipate this well enough to have a good supply of tests available? Availability of the tests seems to be a major problem, at least in the US.
THAT my dear is everyone's question. Or they are prepared for this. Most governments were caught with their pants down and no plan. I don't understand it because at least 15 years ago The Center for Disease Control in Atlanta was working on the possibility of an unstoppable virus. I read many articles on the topic and how they went into remote areas of the world to collect samples to try and stay ahead of any virus. What happened? I am dissapoint.
The administration dismantled the pandemic directorate in 2018
Thank you for this. I just couldn't understand what happened there--now clear as a bell.
Nice--they did it just in time too.6 -
Just got the order that all schools in NM are to remain closed through the remainder of the school year. I knew it was coming, but hoping it wouldn't.
It sounds like the US overall should be hitting peak curve in the first couple weeks of April, though it will vary by state and locality. Maybe coming out the other end by late May, early June.5 -
I think quite a lot is being withheld from the public in the U.S. How is it that we have 68,000 reported positive tests yet only 995 deaths?
I don't believe either of those numbers. I think they are both much higher.7 -
snowflake954 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »How did Germany anticipate this well enough to have a good supply of tests available? Availability of the tests seems to be a major problem, at least in the US.
THAT my dear is everyone's question. Or they are prepared for this. Most governments were caught with their pants down and no plan. I don't understand it because at least 15 years ago The Center for Disease Control in Atlanta was working on the possibility of an unstoppable virus. I read many articles on the topic and how they went into remote areas of the world to collect samples to try and stay ahead of any virus. What happened? I am dissapoint.
There was an interview on NPR the other day that speaks to this, to some extent. (It's an interview with Max Brooks, author of "World War Z" (Zombie book!), but also a real-life disaster planning expert.)
I've tinyurl-ed the link because the link is basically the headline, and and the headline is too click-bait-y for my taste. The interview was interesting and provocative, but I won't go much further to claim that it's authoritative. Use your own judgement. It's not specifically partisan politics, but there is very strong criticism of US actions, not all of it aimed at the current administration.
I promise this links to Fresh Air at NPR.
https://tinyurl.com/thv86y2
ETA: I know it's long (41 minutes), but I recommend the full audio interview over the summary text version. It's more nuanced, among other reasons. Your favorite podcast app may have Fresh Air; this was the Max Brooks interview, broadcast on (IIRC) 3/24.5 -
cmriverside wrote: »I think quite a lot is being withheld from the public in the U.S. How is it that we have 68,000 reported positive tests yet only 995 deaths?
I don't believe either of those numbers. I think they are both much higher.
actually, John Hopkins is showing over 92,000 positive and 1,380 deaths:
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I find it interesting and disheartening that in a time of global crisis, the US can turn even a pandemic into a bipartisan argument. It literally breaks my heart to hear folks say "this is no worse than the flu" on one hand and have another describing to me what his wife is going thru in ICU right now.
If this doesn't bring our country together than nothing will. And for that I blame all the politicians of whatever proclivity. Thank God for local officials Mayors and Governors who want to save lives.15 -
SummerSkier wrote: »I find it interesting and disheartening that in a time of global crisis, the US can turn even a pandemic into a bipartisan argument. It literally breaks my heart to hear folks say "this is no worse than the flu" on one hand and have another describing to me what his wife is going thru in ICU right now.
If this doesn't bring our country together than nothing will. And for that I blame all the politicians of whatever proclivity. Thank God for local officials Mayors and Governors who want to save lives.
I sound pessimistic but the window of the country being together has long past gone. But in fairness, humanity has never been united in history. Never.
I think the smart thing to do right now is to be cautious. When two competing groups are giving contradictory advice, it is best to take the one that offers more caution.13 -
supposedly, the virus has made it to my county; however, I could find only one report on it on one local tv station's website and cannot confirm it anywhere else.1
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snowflake954 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »How did Germany anticipate this well enough to have a good supply of tests available? Availability of the tests seems to be a major problem, at least in the US.
THAT my dear is everyone's question. Or they are prepared for this. Most governments were caught with their pants down and no plan. I don't understand it because at least 15 years ago The Center for Disease Control in Atlanta was working on the possibility of an unstoppable virus. I read many articles on the topic and how they went into remote areas of the world to collect samples to try and stay ahead of any virus. What happened? I am dissapoint.
The administration dismantled the pandemic directorate in 2018
Thank you for this. I just couldn't understand what happened there--now clear as a bell.
Nice--they did it just in time too.
I realize this isn't a board for politics, but I do have to correct a blatant lie. And really this isn't politics, just some information about what government offices exist or don't exist. The pandemic response office was not dismantled. It was reorganized into a stronger combined directorate where related expertise could be co-mingled. This is according to Tim Morrison the former director of this office, who some of you may be familiar with because he testified against the president in his recent impeachment trial.
I realize there was widespread media reporting that the office had been dismantled, but there was also widespread correction in the media that this was not true.
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I know people in Germany; in Heidelberg, in Saarbrucken and in Dusseldorf. What I have heard is that unlike Spain and Italy where the coronavirus has mostly hit the oldest people in the country, in Germany it is the young ones that are more affected, so that's one reason for low death count there. But also, the past two weeks, the German government has heavily invested in testing. They are testing a walloping 500K people a week and this is leading to early detection.
Also, the team in Japan has found, that the drug Favipriavir is very effective in treating patients of coronavirus. This thought has also been resonated by the scientists in Germany. It is safe and have proven to be very effective in clinical trials, the Chinese ministry of science and technology has said. The patients who have been given this drug have been tested negative four days after being tested positive of COVID19 compared to patients treated with other drugs. Also X-ray reports are showing an improvement in lungs for over 91% of patients compared to 62% without the drug.
But the Japanese ministry has also said that the drug is not very effective for people with severe symptoms.10 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »How did Germany anticipate this well enough to have a good supply of tests available? Availability of the tests seems to be a major problem, at least in the US.
Angela Merkel is a scientist. She accepted the WHO's help at first offer and listened to the science. She went into their house of parliment and told them that 60% to 70% of the population would get it. Reportedly, they sat in stunned silence and listened to her. Bottom line, they believed the science and weren't too arrogant to accept WHO's help.
They are also helping out Italy. Italy has run out of hospital beds, therefore Germany has admitted few of Italian patients at its hospitals.9 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »I think quite a lot is being withheld from the public in the U.S. How is it that we have 68,000 reported positive tests yet only 995 deaths?
I don't believe either of those numbers. I think they are both much higher.
actually, John Hopkins is showing over 92,000 positive and 1,380 deaths:
Yeah, I was using WHO numbers as of yesterday's reporting time/at closing.
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