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Gym is reopening here, at 25% capacity. You have to reserve a 45 min spot online, and there will be childcare (reservations only), but you can’t enter that area at all, just open the door and let them in). I am a little hesitant about going back, so I’ll probably keep working out in the garage for the next few weeks...maybe go myself without the kids in two weeks if things seem like they’re not totally blowing up.4
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gradchica27 wrote: »Gym is reopening here, at 25% capacity. You have to reserve a 45 min spot online, and there will be childcare (reservations only), but you can’t enter that area at all, just open the door and let them in). I am a little hesitant about going back, so I’ll probably keep working out in the garage for the next few weeks...maybe go myself without the kids in two weeks if things seem like they’re not totally blowing up.
Yeah, I saw that gyms were limited to 45 minutes, which doesn’t make a lot of sense to me... I guess it’s meant to be a thing to reduce overcrowding? But my gym was like three guys who all sat in different corners with headphones on ignoring each other anyway, and none of us can get much done in 45 minutes. Particularly since circuit training and supersets are specifically outlawed. I’m just gonna continue halfassing my strength work from home.2 -
Re: neighborhood parties to celebrate the lifting of restrictions. I feel like people’s brains have broken. Not one number suggests the situation now is less dangerous than when lockdown started. Every single number suggests there is far more community transmission and the risk of getting covid locally is higher by a factor of ten. On Saturday Tennessee had its highest day of new cases, almost 1200. But since the powers that be are easing restrictions, people look at that and think, “Yay, it’s over, it’s safe now!”
Guys. It’s not safe. It’s just lawmakers are starting to panic about riots if people aren’t allowed to earn enough money to feed themselves and pay rent. So they are trying to allow everyone to do those things while trying to mitigate the risks as much as possible. That doesn’t work unless everyone tries to mitigate the risk.
There was an article about restaurants reopening on Friday. They are supposed to take temperatures and ask questions about symptoms before allowing customers in, and the staff are supposed to wear masks. I wrote a post at the time saying this would not happen, and lo and behold, the reporters say it isn’t happening. One restaurant in Atoka did make an attempt to check temperatures until a customer pointed out the thermometer they were using was intended for finding studs in walls and not accurate on people. The others just shrugged and said, yeah, that would make our customers uncomfortable, not doing it. Waiters are not even wearing masks. There is not and was never planned to be enforcement - the governor has said he intends people to “take the Tennessee pledge” to do the right thing. But the thing is, when asking people to do something novel and weird, you have to require them to do it. That way everyone does it and no one feels weird. And they can point at the law and say, “Yeah, sorry, I think it’s stupid too but we can’t be open if we don’t do it.” Tell everyone it’s optional and no one will do it!14 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Re: neighborhood parties to celebrate the lifting of restrictions. I feel like people’s brains have broken. Not one number suggests the situation now is less dangerous than when lockdown started. Every single number suggests there is far more community transmission and the risk of getting covid locally is higher by a factor of ten. On Saturday Tennessee had its highest day of new cases, almost 1200. But since the powers that be are easing restrictions, people look at that and think, “Yay, it’s over, it’s safe now!”
Guys. It’s not safe. It’s just lawmakers are starting to panic about riots if people aren’t allowed to earn enough money to feed themselves and pay rent. So they are trying to allow everyone to do those things while trying to mitigate the risks as much as possible. That doesn’t work unless everyone tries to mitigate the risk.
There was an article about restaurants reopening on Friday. They are supposed to take temperatures and ask questions about symptoms before allowing customers in, and the staff are supposed to wear masks. I wrote a post at the time saying this would not happen, and lo and behold, the reporters say it isn’t happening. One restaurant in Atoka did make an attempt to check temperatures until a customer pointed out the thermometer they were using was intended for finding studs in walls and not accurate on people. The others just shrugged and said, yeah, that would make our customers uncomfortable, not doing it. Waiters are not even wearing masks. There is not and was never planned to be enforcement - the governor has said he intends people to “take the Tennessee pledge” to do the right thing. But the thing is, when asking people to do something novel and weird, you have to require them to do it. That way everyone does it and no one feels weird. And they can point at the law and say, “Yeah, sorry, I think it’s stupid too but we can’t be open if we don’t do it.” Tell everyone it’s optional and no one will do it!
Most here are not wearing masks either. It is so simple to cover your mouth and nose... doesn't stop you from doing anything but eat/drink. It doesn't hurt anything and can help a whole lot when everyone does it. Some people haven't thought of that it seems.4 -
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rheddmobile wrote: »Re: neighborhood parties to celebrate the lifting of restrictions. I feel like people’s brains have broken. Not one number suggests the situation now is less dangerous than when lockdown started. Every single number suggests there is far more community transmission and the risk of getting covid locally is higher by a factor of ten. On Saturday Tennessee had its highest day of new cases, almost 1200. But since the powers that be are easing restrictions, people look at that and think, “Yay, it’s over, it’s safe now!”
Guys. It’s not safe. It’s just lawmakers are starting to panic about riots if people aren’t allowed to earn enough money to feed themselves and pay rent. So they are trying to allow everyone to do those things while trying to mitigate the risks as much as possible. That doesn’t work unless everyone tries to mitigate the risk.
There was an article about restaurants reopening on Friday. They are supposed to take temperatures and ask questions about symptoms before allowing customers in, and the staff are supposed to wear masks. I wrote a post at the time saying this would not happen, and lo and behold, the reporters say it isn’t happening. One restaurant in Atoka did make an attempt to check temperatures until a customer pointed out the thermometer they were using was intended for finding studs in walls and not accurate on people. The others just shrugged and said, yeah, that would make our customers uncomfortable, not doing it. Waiters are not even wearing masks. There is not and was never planned to be enforcement - the governor has said he intends people to “take the Tennessee pledge” to do the right thing. But the thing is, when asking people to do something novel and weird, you have to require them to do it. That way everyone does it and no one feels weird. And they can point at the law and say, “Yeah, sorry, I think it’s stupid too but we can’t be open if we don’t do it.” Tell everyone it’s optional and no one will do it!
I read that the Ohio governor mandated masks worn in all stores, and after a couple of days of store employees being treated poorly for trying to enforce it the governor took it back. People are seriously yelling about their civil rights being violated by mask requirements of all things smh. What's sad is many of these people won't get sick themselves, they'll pass it on to more vulnerable people and probably never even know they did.15 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Re: neighborhood parties to celebrate the lifting of restrictions. I feel like people’s brains have broken. Not one number suggests the situation now is less dangerous than when lockdown started. Every single number suggests there is far more community transmission and the risk of getting covid locally is higher by a factor of ten. On Saturday Tennessee had its highest day of new cases, almost 1200. But since the powers that be are easing restrictions, people look at that and think, “Yay, it’s over, it’s safe now!”
Guys. It’s not safe. It’s just lawmakers are starting to panic about riots if people aren’t allowed to earn enough money to feed themselves and pay rent. So they are trying to allow everyone to do those things while trying to mitigate the risks as much as possible. That doesn’t work unless everyone tries to mitigate the risk.
There was an article about restaurants reopening on Friday. They are supposed to take temperatures and ask questions about symptoms before allowing customers in, and the staff are supposed to wear masks. I wrote a post at the time saying this would not happen, and lo and behold, the reporters say it isn’t happening. One restaurant in Atoka did make an attempt to check temperatures until a customer pointed out the thermometer they were using was intended for finding studs in walls and not accurate on people. The others just shrugged and said, yeah, that would make our customers uncomfortable, not doing it. Waiters are not even wearing masks. There is not and was never planned to be enforcement - the governor has said he intends people to “take the Tennessee pledge” to do the right thing. But the thing is, when asking people to do something novel and weird, you have to require them to do it. That way everyone does it and no one feels weird. And they can point at the law and say, “Yeah, sorry, I think it’s stupid too but we can’t be open if we don’t do it.” Tell everyone it’s optional and no one will do it!
I read that the Ohio governor mandated masks worn in all stores, and after a couple of days of store employees being treated poorly for trying to enforce it the governor took it back. People are seriously yelling about their civil rights being violated by mask requirements of all things smh. What's sad is many of these people won't get sick themselves, they'll pass it on to more vulnerable people and probably never even know they did.
Something similar happened in Stillwater, OK (home of Oklahoma State University).
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-city-ends-face-mask-rule-shoppers-after-store-employees-n11987361 -
rheddmobile wrote: »gradchica27 wrote: »Gym is reopening here, at 25% capacity. You have to reserve a 45 min spot online, and there will be childcare (reservations only), but you can’t enter that area at all, just open the door and let them in). I am a little hesitant about going back, so I’ll probably keep working out in the garage for the next few weeks...maybe go myself without the kids in two weeks if things seem like they’re not totally blowing up.
Yeah, I saw that gyms were limited to 45 minutes, which doesn’t make a lot of sense to me... I guess it’s meant to be a thing to reduce overcrowding? But my gym was like three guys who all sat in different corners with headphones on ignoring each other anyway, and none of us can get much done in 45 minutes. Particularly since circuit training and supersets are specifically outlawed. I’m just gonna continue halfassing my strength work from home.
When our gyms re-open, I am so going to use "stay-away-for-social-distancing" as a way to shut down unsolicited advice on my workout. Maybe I should post this in that thread about the upside of the pandemic. ...7 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Re: neighborhood parties to celebrate the lifting of restrictions. I feel like people’s brains have broken. Not one number suggests the situation now is less dangerous than when lockdown started. Every single number suggests there is far more community transmission and the risk of getting covid locally is higher by a factor of ten. On Saturday Tennessee had its highest day of new cases, almost 1200. But since the powers that be are easing restrictions, people look at that and think, “Yay, it’s over, it’s safe now!”
Guys. It’s not safe. It’s just lawmakers are starting to panic about riots if people aren’t allowed to earn enough money to feed themselves and pay rent. So they are trying to allow everyone to do those things while trying to mitigate the risks as much as possible. That doesn’t work unless everyone tries to mitigate the risk.
There was an article about restaurants reopening on Friday. They are supposed to take temperatures and ask questions about symptoms before allowing customers in, and the staff are supposed to wear masks. I wrote a post at the time saying this would not happen, and lo and behold, the reporters say it isn’t happening. One restaurant in Atoka did make an attempt to check temperatures until a customer pointed out the thermometer they were using was intended for finding studs in walls and not accurate on people. The others just shrugged and said, yeah, that would make our customers uncomfortable, not doing it. Waiters are not even wearing masks. There is not and was never planned to be enforcement - the governor has said he intends people to “take the Tennessee pledge” to do the right thing. But the thing is, when asking people to do something novel and weird, you have to require them to do it. That way everyone does it and no one feels weird. And they can point at the law and say, “Yeah, sorry, I think it’s stupid too but we can’t be open if we don’t do it.” Tell everyone it’s optional and no one will do it!
I read that the Ohio governor mandated masks worn in all stores, and after a couple of days of store employees being treated poorly for trying to enforce it the governor took it back. People are seriously yelling about their civil rights being violated by mask requirements of all things smh. What's sad is many of these people won't get sick themselves, they'll pass it on to more vulnerable people and probably never even know they did.
Something similar happened in Stillwater, OK (home of Oklahoma State University).
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-city-ends-face-mask-rule-shoppers-after-store-employees-n1198736
And a store security guard was shot and killed in Michigan for trying to enforce a face-mask requirement.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/police-probe-killing-store-security-guard-virus-mask-704929807 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »Re: neighborhood parties to celebrate the lifting of restrictions. I feel like people’s brains have broken. Not one number suggests the situation now is less dangerous than when lockdown started. Every single number suggests there is far more community transmission and the risk of getting covid locally is higher by a factor of ten. On Saturday Tennessee had its highest day of new cases, almost 1200. But since the powers that be are easing restrictions, people look at that and think, “Yay, it’s over, it’s safe now!”
Guys. It’s not safe. It’s just lawmakers are starting to panic about riots if people aren’t allowed to earn enough money to feed themselves and pay rent. So they are trying to allow everyone to do those things while trying to mitigate the risks as much as possible. That doesn’t work unless everyone tries to mitigate the risk.
There was an article about restaurants reopening on Friday. They are supposed to take temperatures and ask questions about symptoms before allowing customers in, and the staff are supposed to wear masks. I wrote a post at the time saying this would not happen, and lo and behold, the reporters say it isn’t happening. One restaurant in Atoka did make an attempt to check temperatures until a customer pointed out the thermometer they were using was intended for finding studs in walls and not accurate on people. The others just shrugged and said, yeah, that would make our customers uncomfortable, not doing it. Waiters are not even wearing masks. There is not and was never planned to be enforcement - the governor has said he intends people to “take the Tennessee pledge” to do the right thing. But the thing is, when asking people to do something novel and weird, you have to require them to do it. That way everyone does it and no one feels weird. And they can point at the law and say, “Yeah, sorry, I think it’s stupid too but we can’t be open if we don’t do it.” Tell everyone it’s optional and no one will do it!
I read that the Ohio governor mandated masks worn in all stores, and after a couple of days of store employees being treated poorly for trying to enforce it the governor took it back. People are seriously yelling about their civil rights being violated by mask requirements of all things smh. What's sad is many of these people won't get sick themselves, they'll pass it on to more vulnerable people and probably never even know they did.
Something similar happened in Stillwater, OK (home of Oklahoma State University).
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-city-ends-face-mask-rule-shoppers-after-store-employees-n1198736
And a store security guard was shot and killed in Michigan for trying to enforce a face-mask requirement.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/police-probe-killing-store-security-guard-virus-mask-70492980
I swear to y'all, not everyone in Michigan is a complete f'n idiot, no matter what the news might make you think.18 -
In my neighborhood at least most seem to be wearing masks and stores are enforcing it (and lots relying on delivery and delivery guys wearing them). Wards (political wards, not hospitals) are delivering them to people needing them this week. The main thing I've noticed here is people on Nextdoor fighting about whether one should wear one outside (with everyone agreeing that in stores and such they should). And as I said before no flagrant violations I've noticed in my neighborhood and lots of crossing streets to be careful when outside and running into people. Yet we are much more of a hotspot than the places rejecting them, so I feel basically hopeless. (And sorry, I know I am whiny lately.)12
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Memphis is planning to vote on whether to require masks in public places tomorrow. Don’t know yet whether that also applies to outdoors with spacing.2
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »Re: neighborhood parties to celebrate the lifting of restrictions. I feel like people’s brains have broken. Not one number suggests the situation now is less dangerous than when lockdown started. Every single number suggests there is far more community transmission and the risk of getting covid locally is higher by a factor of ten. On Saturday Tennessee had its highest day of new cases, almost 1200. But since the powers that be are easing restrictions, people look at that and think, “Yay, it’s over, it’s safe now!”
Guys. It’s not safe. It’s just lawmakers are starting to panic about riots if people aren’t allowed to earn enough money to feed themselves and pay rent. So they are trying to allow everyone to do those things while trying to mitigate the risks as much as possible. That doesn’t work unless everyone tries to mitigate the risk.
There was an article about restaurants reopening on Friday. They are supposed to take temperatures and ask questions about symptoms before allowing customers in, and the staff are supposed to wear masks. I wrote a post at the time saying this would not happen, and lo and behold, the reporters say it isn’t happening. One restaurant in Atoka did make an attempt to check temperatures until a customer pointed out the thermometer they were using was intended for finding studs in walls and not accurate on people. The others just shrugged and said, yeah, that would make our customers uncomfortable, not doing it. Waiters are not even wearing masks. There is not and was never planned to be enforcement - the governor has said he intends people to “take the Tennessee pledge” to do the right thing. But the thing is, when asking people to do something novel and weird, you have to require them to do it. That way everyone does it and no one feels weird. And they can point at the law and say, “Yeah, sorry, I think it’s stupid too but we can’t be open if we don’t do it.” Tell everyone it’s optional and no one will do it!
I read that the Ohio governor mandated masks worn in all stores, and after a couple of days of store employees being treated poorly for trying to enforce it the governor took it back. People are seriously yelling about their civil rights being violated by mask requirements of all things smh. What's sad is many of these people won't get sick themselves, they'll pass it on to more vulnerable people and probably never even know they did.
Something similar happened in Stillwater, OK (home of Oklahoma State University).
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-city-ends-face-mask-rule-shoppers-after-store-employees-n1198736
And a store security guard was shot and killed in Michigan for trying to enforce a face-mask requirement.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/police-probe-killing-store-security-guard-virus-mask-70492980
I swear to y'all, not everyone in Michigan is a complete f'n idiot, no matter what the news might make you think.
LOL. Those of us on the other side of the lake understand. We have our variety too.
So far (with the exception of some) most are accepting the fact that our Governor is making the best decisions for the good of the majority. He is opening a few things that tend to be solitary or family only pursuits such as hiking trails, boat landings (fishing season is starting), and golf courses with clubhouses closed. Any retailer can open for curbside or delivery and he has expanded the definition of "essential" businesses to include garden centers as long as they follow certain protocols.3 -
Same story over here, with people on my local Nextdoor fighting about it, and me being in a hotspot county. My big worry is that even if I run well away from people (say, the other side of a wide street), someone might scream at me if I'm not wearing a mask, just for the sheer joy of screaming at someone. People are on edge these days.In my neighborhood at least most seem to be wearing masks and stores are enforcing it (and lots relying on delivery and delivery guys wearing them). Wards (political wards, not hospitals) are delivering them to people needing them this week. The main thing I've noticed here is people on Nextdoor fighting about whether one should wear one outside (with everyone agreeing that in stores and such they should). And as I said before no flagrant violations I've noticed in my neighborhood and lots of crossing streets to be careful when outside and running into people. Yet we are much more of a hotspot than the places rejecting them, so I feel basically hopeless. (And sorry, I know I am whiny lately.)
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One lady/group is calling for boycotting of stores requiring masks, one reason mentioned is that because they haven’t proven them to actually help. Oi...
https://myfox8.com/news/coronavirus/reopen-nc-leader-calls-for-boycott-of-costco-whole-foods-for-requiring-customers-to-wear-masks/
Talking to a neighbor today and she is wearing a mask out and about (she’s been sick, and her 87 year old mother that lives with her has been on round after round of steroids for breathing issues... also her daughter and granddaughter are in the homes as well... 4 generations!)... she said people look at her like she’s crazy. Also saw the above linked article about the security guard which is just heartbreaking. Why the heck are people so polarized on something like this? I can’t wrap my head around it...
My children did play with the girl next door for the first time today. She has no one to play with outside of mom and gma (and mom has major anxiety/depression so we don’t see her much). Last week she just sat at the end of the driveway and watched my family play baseball together, it was heartbreaking! I did discuss it with gma first, I think she was happy to have a little relief.8 -
moonangel12 wrote: »One lady/group is calling for boycotting of stores requiring masks, one reason mentioned is that because they haven’t proven them to actually help. Oi...
https://myfox8.com/news/coronavirus/reopen-nc-leader-calls-for-boycott-of-costco-whole-foods-for-requiring-customers-to-wear-masks/
Talking to a neighbor today and she is wearing a mask out and about (she’s been sick, and her 87 year old mother that lives with her has been on round after round of steroids for breathing issues... also her daughter and granddaughter are in the homes as well... 4 generations!)... she said people look at her like she’s crazy. Also saw the above linked article about the security guard which is just heartbreaking. Why the heck are people so polarized on something like this? I can’t wrap my head around it...
My children did play with the girl next door for the first time today. She has no one to play with outside of mom and gma (and mom has major anxiety/depression so we don’t see her much). Last week she just sat at the end of the driveway and watched my family play baseball together, it was heartbreaking! I did discuss it with gma first, I think she was happy to have a little relief.
I'm completely speculating, but I wouldn't be surprised if the intersection of stress-induced short fuses, honor (sub-) cultures, and polarization may be in play in a case like this. That certainly would be a powder-keg combo, and I'm thinking we may see some of that blow up, even if this one is not an instance.4 -
Genuine questions.
How do people eat/drink in a restaruant if they have to wear masks??
Mask wearing hasnt been a big thing in Australia - people can choose to wear them if they want of course and a few do - but most people are not and we are not being encouraged, let alone mandated, to do so.
Question 2 - are the easing of restrictions in US being done as a result of numbers dropping enough to be considered safe to do so? - or are they just being eased because authorities think they have been there for long enough./ people wont adhere anyway/ , the economy needs them to reduce??
yes i know US is a big place and different locations might be doing things differently - but answer for your specific location or area as a whole.
Restrictions are being gradually eased here in South Australia - and that is in response to massive drop in COVID numbers
Our restrictions weren't as tight in first place as many other places - but in comparison to what still seems high numbers in US, we are only now re opening outdoor playgrounds, - gyms/restaraunts are still closed (open for takeaway only) and gatherings are still restricted to 10 people.
This with a state of 5 remaining active cases in whole state (all in home or hospital quarantine, of course) and zero new cases for nearly 2 weeks.
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State borders are still closed except for essential travellers/returnees who have to self isolate for 14 days.
In superrvised hotel accomodation, in case of overseas returnees.
I think it is very safe for us to move forward, although we are still doing it very gradually.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »Re: neighborhood parties to celebrate the lifting of restrictions. I feel like people’s brains have broken. Not one number suggests the situation now is less dangerous than when lockdown started. Every single number suggests there is far more community transmission and the risk of getting covid locally is higher by a factor of ten. On Saturday Tennessee had its highest day of new cases, almost 1200. But since the powers that be are easing restrictions, people look at that and think, “Yay, it’s over, it’s safe now!”
Guys. It’s not safe. It’s just lawmakers are starting to panic about riots if people aren’t allowed to earn enough money to feed themselves and pay rent. So they are trying to allow everyone to do those things while trying to mitigate the risks as much as possible. That doesn’t work unless everyone tries to mitigate the risk.
There was an article about restaurants reopening on Friday. They are supposed to take temperatures and ask questions about symptoms before allowing customers in, and the staff are supposed to wear masks. I wrote a post at the time saying this would not happen, and lo and behold, the reporters say it isn’t happening. One restaurant in Atoka did make an attempt to check temperatures until a customer pointed out the thermometer they were using was intended for finding studs in walls and not accurate on people. The others just shrugged and said, yeah, that would make our customers uncomfortable, not doing it. Waiters are not even wearing masks. There is not and was never planned to be enforcement - the governor has said he intends people to “take the Tennessee pledge” to do the right thing. But the thing is, when asking people to do something novel and weird, you have to require them to do it. That way everyone does it and no one feels weird. And they can point at the law and say, “Yeah, sorry, I think it’s stupid too but we can’t be open if we don’t do it.” Tell everyone it’s optional and no one will do it!
I read that the Ohio governor mandated masks worn in all stores, and after a couple of days of store employees being treated poorly for trying to enforce it the governor took it back. People are seriously yelling about their civil rights being violated by mask requirements of all things smh. What's sad is many of these people won't get sick themselves, they'll pass it on to more vulnerable people and probably never even know they did.
Something similar happened in Stillwater, OK (home of Oklahoma State University).
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-city-ends-face-mask-rule-shoppers-after-store-employees-n1198736
And a store security guard was shot and killed in Michigan for trying to enforce a face-mask requirement.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/police-probe-killing-store-security-guard-virus-mask-70492980
Oh wow.
People have gone crazy. My nephew lives in Dallas Texas and said there was a party at the beach, around 20 young people, no masks or anything safe, an officer came and said I'm going to have to cite you if you don't all leave. He got thrown into the lake. I tell ya, I wouldn't want to be in any kind of enforcement or healthcare career right now.
On the upside, I went with my sister to the VA ER yesterday and they were so very good about everything. Lots of pre- questions before you can even enter the parking lot. Then more as you enter the building and they direct you to very isolated places, get you right into an individual room, etc., etc. They also said there were currently no Covid cases within the hospital and amazingly every single medical person(and there were LOTS)we came into contact with was very kind, and helpful, and completely efficient. I expected to see overly-frazzled, irritated, short-on-staff type of environment. They have clearly done all they can to keep people distanced and isolated. But thankfully we live in a less populated state whose biggest city population doesn't top 100K so it's a whole different look than NY or CA, etc.5 -
I was at the grocery store Sunday and they have a continuous speaking thingie going on in the background, which clearly not everyone listens to because one thing it said was to please wear facial protection inside the store to keep everyone safer. Maybe 90% do wear face masks but there are still a few that don't. What is preventing them from doing something so simple, even if they feel it's a farce, or whatever their reasoning could be? I wish each and every store would make it mandatory in order to get through their doors. Isn't it the right for their business to request that? It wouldn't need to get political?? People would have no choice but to wear one because they need to get groceries.
I just don't understand.
I think people have been doing this for so long that they're getting complacent about it; maybe they've seen no one in their circle get sick with this yet so feel it's all for nothing; maybe they're fed up with all the confusion and lies coming from every direction; or maybe they still feel it's no worse than a flu.
I just feel if we'd've stepped right on it from the beginning, more forcefully instead of 1 baby step at a time, it would've been so much better.
I read about the way Iceland handled it right from the get-go and they have it pretty well under control. Granted, with only 360K people and being such an isolated country, it's definitely easier to accomplish.4 -
rheddmobile wrote: »gradchica27 wrote: »Gym is reopening here, at 25% capacity. You have to reserve a 45 min spot online, and there will be childcare (reservations only), but you can’t enter that area at all, just open the door and let them in). I am a little hesitant about going back, so I’ll probably keep working out in the garage for the next few weeks...maybe go myself without the kids in two weeks if things seem like they’re not totally blowing up.
Yeah, I saw that gyms were limited to 45 minutes, which doesn’t make a lot of sense to me... I guess it’s meant to be a thing to reduce overcrowding? But my gym was like three guys who all sat in different corners with headphones on ignoring each other anyway, and none of us can get much done in 45 minutes. Particularly since circuit training and supersets are specifically outlawed. I’m just gonna continue halfassing my strength work from home.
If you're only going to allow 25% capacity via reservations you have to make the time slots short enough so all members have a reasonable opportunity to use the gym.
Go there for your 45 minute time slot, do the things you can't replicate at home, do the rest in your garage/basement.8 -
paperpudding wrote: »Genuine questions.
How do people eat/drink in a restaruant if they have to wear masks??
Mask wearing hasnt been a big thing in Australia - people can choose to wear them if they want of course and a few do - but most people are not and we are not being encouraged, let alone mandated, to do so.
Question 2 - are the easing of restrictions in US being done as a result of numbers dropping enough to be considered safe to do so? - or are they just being eased because authorities think they have been there for long enough./ people wont adhere anyway/ , the economy needs them to reduce??
yes i know US is a big place and different locations might be doing things differently - but answer for your specific location or area as a whole.
Restrictions are being gradually eased here in South Australia - and that is in response to massive drop in COVID numbers
Our restrictions weren't as tight in first place as many other places - but in comparison to what still seems high numbers in US, we are only now re opening outdoor playgrounds, - gyms/restaraunts are still closed (open for takeaway only) and gatherings are still restricted to 10 people.
This with a state of 5 remaining active cases in whole state (all in home or hospital quarantine, of course) and zero new cases for nearly 2 weeks.
.
State borders are still closed except for essential travellers/returnees who have to self isolate for 14 days.
In superrvised hotel accomodation, in case of overseas returnees.
I think it is very safe for us to move forward, although we are still doing it very gradually.
Answer 1: My state (Illinois) is still not allowing dine-in at restaurants, but from video I have seen in states allowing it...
The customers are not wearing masks, only the servers, hosts, and other employees are. The states that are loosening their restrictions are not requiring masks.
Answer 2: Of the states easing restrictions, a grand total of zero have met the federal government's own guidelines for when it is safe to do so (14 consecutive days with reducing cases). In fact, some still have rising numbers, but are easing restrictions anyways. As to why...they can give any excuse they want, but it is 100 percent political. I can't go into further details without violating the "no political debates" policy here.13 -
I live in an area of Texas with a blue collar, freedom loving, pick up truck driving, country music listening population. Our state has lifted restrictions and our county is leaving masks and such up to "recommend" but not required.
I can only speculate, and agreeing is not the same thing as seeing where people are in their thinking, but I can see how wearing a mask for example is a sign of fear and weakness to certain people. Like someone above said, if it's not a requirement, basically no one is going to do it. And that's what we're seeing here now. Maybe half the people at Walmart had one yesterday.
Also wearing a mask is simply inconvenient, easy to forget if it's not legally required and does make it a little harder to breath. No where near worth shooting someone over. At the same time there's hodgepodge of laws and recommendations locally. I can go to the next county over, 5 miles away and be required to wear a mask and then come back here and have the official recommendation be "it's up to you".
Also with the reality of quarantine, I heard there's been a spike in domestic violence, child abuse and mental health crisis. If this is the case I can see how wearing a mask feels low on people's priority list too.5 -
In my town (suburb of Atlanta), the people you see are generally not wearing masks.
There’s a lot of groups (especially late teens to lmaybe early 30’s) hanging out together in town, often taking Instagram photos. That seems to be the big social outing.
There was a wedding group of maybe twenty on our square yesterday morning, hugging, kissing and carrying on like nothing happening. I thought it was particularly foolish because every last one of the group was morbidly obese and -with the presumable attendant health issues - would be in high risk category.
The park playgrounds are closed, so parents are taking advantage of churches who haven’t taped off their playgrounds and gathering there with lots of small children.
And then there’s my party hearty neighborhood of empty nesters, many of whom haven’t followed rules since the beginning, other than to have fewer guests for dinner and cocktails. If anything, the frequency increased, I guess because of desperation. The one concession they made is to have their get togethers on their porches. Maybe they figure fresh air will blow away viruses?
OTOH, even though traffic has increased considerably in the past week, there’s still waaaay fewer people out and about. It’s like there’s a clear division. There’s people ready to get back to normal. and flaunting the Governor’s request for avoid groups of 10+, to mask, and to social distance. And then there’s a large, hidden population who are still just staying at home and not coming out unless necessary.
My husband, who was anxious to get out, has suddenly recognized he’s high risk (diabetic) and says we will shelter at home a couple more weeks. Hallelujah for that.12 -
In Oklahoma, over 1/2 the cases and over 1/2 the deaths are in 3 cities. If you count the metro area, it is closer to 3/4, but harder to count. The rest of the cases are spread out over a large area, and mostly in clusters, like nursing homes. In one county, the count went from 9 one day to 61 2 days later when they checked all residents and employees of one nursing home.
When outsiders look at our numbers, they may think they’re going up, but when we look at them, we also look at the number of tests given. 10 positive with 10 tests given is a worse number than 20 positive with 400 tests given.
Our governor would like to open most of the state, but keep those 3 cities controlled.
He also wants nursing homes to continue to use strong measures to control it.
We have two hundred something covid 19 patients in hospitals, the peak was four hundred something. We have over 4 thousand beds available.
And that’s exactly where I disagree. Sick people are being turned away because beds are being held for corona patients. Why? There are over 4000 beds available! There are less then 300 being used by Covid 19 patients! What are hospitals for?
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paperpudding wrote: »Genuine questions.
How do people eat/drink in a restaruant if they have to wear masks??
Mask wearing hasnt been a big thing in Australia - people can choose to wear them if they want of course and a few do - but most people are not and we are not being encouraged, let alone mandated, to do so.
Question 2 - are the easing of restrictions in US being done as a result of numbers dropping enough to be considered safe to do so? - or are they just being eased because authorities think they have been there for long enough./ people wont adhere anyway/ , the economy needs them to reduce??
yes i know US is a big place and different locations might be doing things differently - but answer for your specific location or area as a whole.
Restrictions are being gradually eased here in South Australia - and that is in response to massive drop in COVID numbers
Our restrictions weren't as tight in first place as many other places - but in comparison to what still seems high numbers in US, we are only now re opening outdoor playgrounds, - gyms/restaraunts are still closed (open for takeaway only) and gatherings are still restricted to 10 people.
This with a state of 5 remaining active cases in whole state (all in home or hospital quarantine, of course) and zero new cases for nearly 2 weeks.
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State borders are still closed except for essential travellers/returnees who have to self isolate for 14 days.
In superrvised hotel accomodation, in case of overseas returnees.
I think it is very safe for us to move forward, although we are still doing it very gradually.
i can't speak to your first question because i'm not stupid enough to go running back to the restaurant scene (as much as i'd kill to just sit on my favorite bar's patio and have a beer and a burgy), but to your second question, no. our numbers are still going up, we're nowhere near ready for this. the states are just looking to kick as many people off unemployment as possible. it's our hyper-individualist protestant work ethic pitching a fit.5 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Re: neighborhood parties to celebrate the lifting of restrictions. I feel like people’s brains have broken. Not one number suggests the situation now is less dangerous than when lockdown started. Every single number suggests there is far more community transmission and the risk of getting covid locally is higher by a factor of ten. On Saturday Tennessee had its highest day of new cases, almost 1200. But since the powers that be are easing restrictions, people look at that and think, “Yay, it’s over, it’s safe now!”
Guys. It’s not safe. It’s just lawmakers are starting to panic about riots if people aren’t allowed to earn enough money to feed themselves and pay rent. So they are trying to allow everyone to do those things while trying to mitigate the risks as much as possible. That doesn’t work unless everyone tries to mitigate the risk.
There was an article about restaurants reopening on Friday. They are supposed to take temperatures and ask questions about symptoms before allowing customers in, and the staff are supposed to wear masks. I wrote a post at the time saying this would not happen, and lo and behold, the reporters say it isn’t happening. One restaurant in Atoka did make an attempt to check temperatures until a customer pointed out the thermometer they were using was intended for finding studs in walls and not accurate on people. The others just shrugged and said, yeah, that would make our customers uncomfortable, not doing it. Waiters are not even wearing masks. There is not and was never planned to be enforcement - the governor has said he intends people to “take the Tennessee pledge” to do the right thing. But the thing is, when asking people to do something novel and weird, you have to require them to do it. That way everyone does it and no one feels weird. And they can point at the law and say, “Yeah, sorry, I think it’s stupid too but we can’t be open if we don’t do it.” Tell everyone it’s optional and no one will do it!
I read that the Ohio governor mandated masks worn in all stores, and after a couple of days of store employees being treated poorly for trying to enforce it the governor took it back. People are seriously yelling about their civil rights being violated by mask requirements of all things smh. What's sad is many of these people won't get sick themselves, they'll pass it on to more vulnerable people and probably never even know they did.
Something similar happened in Stillwater, OK (home of Oklahoma State University).
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-city-ends-face-mask-rule-shoppers-after-store-employees-n1198736
god this is so twisted, whatever happened to not giving into the demands of terrorists?7 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
Here is the research paper... maybe this becomes the vaccine?
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-16256-y1 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Re: neighborhood parties to celebrate the lifting of restrictions. I feel like people’s brains have broken. Not one number suggests the situation now is less dangerous than when lockdown started. Every single number suggests there is far more community transmission and the risk of getting covid locally is higher by a factor of ten. On Saturday Tennessee had its highest day of new cases, almost 1200. But since the powers that be are easing restrictions, people look at that and think, “Yay, it’s over, it’s safe now!”
Guys. It’s not safe. It’s just lawmakers are starting to panic about riots if people aren’t allowed to earn enough money to feed themselves and pay rent. So they are trying to allow everyone to do those things while trying to mitigate the risks as much as possible. That doesn’t work unless everyone tries to mitigate the risk.
There was an article about restaurants reopening on Friday. They are supposed to take temperatures and ask questions about symptoms before allowing customers in, and the staff are supposed to wear masks. I wrote a post at the time saying this would not happen, and lo and behold, the reporters say it isn’t happening. One restaurant in Atoka did make an attempt to check temperatures until a customer pointed out the thermometer they were using was intended for finding studs in walls and not accurate on people. The others just shrugged and said, yeah, that would make our customers uncomfortable, not doing it. Waiters are not even wearing masks. There is not and was never planned to be enforcement - the governor has said he intends people to “take the Tennessee pledge” to do the right thing. But the thing is, when asking people to do something novel and weird, you have to require them to do it. That way everyone does it and no one feels weird. And they can point at the law and say, “Yeah, sorry, I think it’s stupid too but we can’t be open if we don’t do it.” Tell everyone it’s optional and no one will do it!
My neighbors had a sort of block party the other weekend, maybe 15-20 people in their driveway drinking all day and then sitting around a firepit until midnight. Yards full of kids playing. Everyone of these families have at least one grandparent in their lives, ranging from the mid-60s to 80s. The compulsion to be social is so incredibly strong that people feel comfortable with risking the health of others.
This whole experience has been so eye-opening, and sadly, I don't trust these people anymore. Their lack of resilience and bizarre priorities have unveiled a side of them I never knew existed. They may very well get away with all of this for this pandemic, but the next major crisis could cost lives.17 -
cosmiqrecovery wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »Re: neighborhood parties to celebrate the lifting of restrictions. I feel like people’s brains have broken. Not one number suggests the situation now is less dangerous than when lockdown started. Every single number suggests there is far more community transmission and the risk of getting covid locally is higher by a factor of ten. On Saturday Tennessee had its highest day of new cases, almost 1200. But since the powers that be are easing restrictions, people look at that and think, “Yay, it’s over, it’s safe now!”
Guys. It’s not safe. It’s just lawmakers are starting to panic about riots if people aren’t allowed to earn enough money to feed themselves and pay rent. So they are trying to allow everyone to do those things while trying to mitigate the risks as much as possible. That doesn’t work unless everyone tries to mitigate the risk.
There was an article about restaurants reopening on Friday. They are supposed to take temperatures and ask questions about symptoms before allowing customers in, and the staff are supposed to wear masks. I wrote a post at the time saying this would not happen, and lo and behold, the reporters say it isn’t happening. One restaurant in Atoka did make an attempt to check temperatures until a customer pointed out the thermometer they were using was intended for finding studs in walls and not accurate on people. The others just shrugged and said, yeah, that would make our customers uncomfortable, not doing it. Waiters are not even wearing masks. There is not and was never planned to be enforcement - the governor has said he intends people to “take the Tennessee pledge” to do the right thing. But the thing is, when asking people to do something novel and weird, you have to require them to do it. That way everyone does it and no one feels weird. And they can point at the law and say, “Yeah, sorry, I think it’s stupid too but we can’t be open if we don’t do it.” Tell everyone it’s optional and no one will do it!
I read that the Ohio governor mandated masks worn in all stores, and after a couple of days of store employees being treated poorly for trying to enforce it the governor took it back. People are seriously yelling about their civil rights being violated by mask requirements of all things smh. What's sad is many of these people won't get sick themselves, they'll pass it on to more vulnerable people and probably never even know they did.
Something similar happened in Stillwater, OK (home of Oklahoma State University).
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-city-ends-face-mask-rule-shoppers-after-store-employees-n1198736
god this is so twisted, whatever happened to not giving into the demands of terrorists?
Lawsuits!
I noticed after the killing in MI Family Dollar was quick to state wearing of masks by customers was NOT required by their corporation. I expect the state of Michigan will be paying damages to the family since the guard was acting as an agent of the governor of Michigan.
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paperpudding wrote: »...
Question 2 - are the easing of restrictions in US being done as a result of numbers dropping enough to be considered safe to do so? - or are they just being eased because authorities think they have been there for long enough./ people wont adhere anyway/ , the economy needs them to reduce??
My city just had it's highest new case number yesterday, amid restriction easing that began May 1.
Why ease? Sales tax revenue.7
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