Coronavirus prep
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Good hopeful news for a change:
https://komonews.com/news/local/behind-the-scenes-scientists-prep-for-covid-19-vaccine-test-03-08-20200 -
Their testing on monkeys 🐒 🐵 here in Texas to find a cure. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-07/texas-baboon-troop-enlisted-in-humankind-s-war-on-coronavirus
Glad it’s not bad in children that’s a blessing at least.
School closures I don’t fully get. I’m vulnerable my mother had chemo back in the day until she died (she lived 30+ yrs with a cancer they gave her a year to live with ). I wore a mask to school for myself y later in the year on her chemo weeks. Later I homeschooled but more to be her caregiver.
Sorry your coworkers are stealing the hand sanitizer lol 😂 sounds like you got a money saving dooms day prepper . Just bring a bar of soap in a ziplock bag in your pocket so you got something.
At Louis my Aunt y Cousins live there. Sure you don’t have more cases my cousin emailed me this one a few hours ago when it first came out . Family breaks quarantine to attend Father Daughter dance now whole school is closed down. Their forcing him by law to stay home now or it’s a felony . Was a Ascension Catholic School
https://www.kmov.com/news/st-louis-county-coronavirus-family-attends-villa-duchesne-dance/article_41ec34a4-6179-11ea-b3e3-6fbf809e7778.html1 -
The news itself may not be inflammatory but the teasers I briefly saw this morning were. I think that may be causing some of the perception that it is not being properly handled.
I see no point in dwelling on it or monitoring it that closely. I am taking reasonable precautions for my risk level and beyond that I am mostly ignoring it and continuing to live my life. I mentioned to someone that it was just a matter of time before it was reported in my state and they said it already had been reported so I am blissfully behind in my knowledge.
It is irrational and irresponsible for me to behave as if I stand the chance of dying from this. If I do and I start hoarding or just failing to carry on doing what I do I make it harder for people who are actually at risk to take steps to protect themselves. Of course this is not the only infectious disease that is taking the lives of people in the higher risk categories so I would hope they normally take reasonable precautions.
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So rather than watch the news last night with all of the various scary stories etc., I chose to watch a NetFlix Documentary and geek out. Yes....so it was called "Pandemic". I guess I can't look away from this stuff!
But that being said, it was pretty good. Follows various front line warriors in the fight against pandemics around the world, from doctors' perspectives, to universal vaccine researchers to the "anti-vaxxer" perspective. I found it interesting. Not nearly as fun as "Outlander" though.
Also found this to be interesting.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-05/how-bad-is-the-coronavirus-let-s-compare-with-sars-ebola-flu2 -
WinoGelato wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »I wrote the part about the government because they're trying to contain the northern outbreak by extending the quarantine. People found out about it late at night and those that live in the rest of Italy, especially college students, quickly packed up and flooded the train stations in the middle of the night and left Milan. They can be contagious and may spread the virus far and wide. Italians are used to doing what they want--the rules are for others, so now to see what happens.
We have our first case in my town (St Louis) because of a study abroad student returning in a hurry from Italy. Apparently she flew through Chicago, took an Amtrak home, and upon return did go to a local hospital for testing and the family was advised to self quarantine, only they didn’t... younger siblings went to school Friday and father took one of the daughters to a dance at a swanky hotel Saturday night. While they were there they got the confirmed presumptive positive diagnosis for the sister and immediately left but people here are outraged that they didn’t heed the recommendation for social quarantine to begin with.
This is typical behavior which got us in big trouble and it's still going on. An expert said something so true today (regarding negative comments here on the health care system), he said that you can have the best healthcare system in the world, but there is a point where it will be overwelmed. He said that's why their doing their best to slow down the advance, to give the hospitals time to work.3 -
Here's a CDC report as of March 3. Lean in on the 4th paragraph for details.
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/s-0303-Additional-COVID-19-infections.html?deliveryName=USCDC_1_3-DM219252 -
WinoGelato wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »I wrote the part about the government because they're trying to contain the northern outbreak by extending the quarantine. People found out about it late at night and those that live in the rest of Italy, especially college students, quickly packed up and flooded the train stations in the middle of the night and left Milan. They can be contagious and may spread the virus far and wide. Italians are used to doing what they want--the rules are for others, so now to see what happens.
We have our first case in my town (St Louis) because of a study abroad student returning in a hurry from Italy. Apparently she flew through Chicago, took an Amtrak home, and upon return did go to a local hospital for testing and the family was advised to self quarantine, only they didn’t... younger siblings went to school Friday and father took one of the daughters to a dance at a swanky hotel Saturday night. While they were there they got the confirmed presumptive positive diagnosis for the sister and immediately left but people here are outraged that they didn’t heed the recommendation for social quarantine to begin with.
I feel there are MANY people who aren't staying quarantined when they should be.
I bet the majority of us, at any given time, stay in denial(about anything) until it smacks us in the face and we can no longer ignore it.
I mentioned in another post on the forums that some of our high school students were on an overseas trip to Italy, right before chaos ensued there. They were flown right back out(supposedly they weren't in the affected area??) and I *thought* they'd been in quarantine since then. Nope, just monitored for symptoms. They can be contagious during that period of time!! Soooo, if just 1 student shows symptoms the whole school, staff(which my dh is one and probably very vulnerable), families, etc., etc. have been exposed. That's how this thing is gaining momentum. There are over 1000 students at the h.s. 
You can only do so much to prevent this but besides practicing good hygiene, it's smart to aslo keep a social distance.7 -
More on the St. Louis student (from the Chi Trib):
"Health officials in Illinois and Missouri are trying to track down who came into close contact with a St. Louis woman who tested positive for the coronavirus after flying into O’Hare International Airport, staying with a friend here, then taking an Amtrak train to her home last week.
The woman, in her 20s, flew into O’Hare on Monday and took an Amtrak train to St. Louis on Wednesday, according to Missouri and St. Louis County officials. Officials did not know where she stayed in the Chicago area, or how she got to Union Station to board the Amtrak 303 train....
Meanwhile, Amtrak issued a statement saying the rail service is “working in close contact with public health and emergency management teams to have the best available information to be able to share with our customers and employees who might be affected.”
Amtrak said it was notifying passengers and employees who may have been on the same train. “As a precaution, we have taken the train out of service for comprehensive cleaning and disinfection, and are also working to do a thorough disinfection of the Chicago and St. Louis stations,” the statement said."
Given the number of people who were brought home from programs in Italy, it seems like it would make sense to test them immediately (but we seem to not have enough tests for that). Locally, I know Loyola U brought home students who were studying in Rome, and so did various other local schools and U of I. And as mentioned earlier, one of the known cases in Chicago is a student who was brought home from a Vanderbilt (in Nashville) study abroad program in Italy.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-coronavirus-illinois-universities-20200301-qjd35y5e7zconarnyqrwuw6njq-story.html3 -
One thing about all this: public spaces are getting cleaner than they've been in years, what with all the shut downs for disinfecting.....7
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »It’s in Memphis now, they announced a case earlier today. They are treating the case at Baptist hospital. My concern is that I’ve had many relatives in and out of Baptist and been in myself so I know they are just downright slap-happy about contagion - my dad got MRSA there, my mom kept getting urinary tract infections while recovering from major surgery, I constantly had to ask people to put on gloves before handling various lines and usually got an eye-roll in response.
I did witness a lady yesterday cough into her elbow, for the first time ever. Not that she had sense enough not to go out to eat even though she had a constant dry cough, but this is literally the first time I’ve ever seen a local person make a real effort to cover a cough. So... progress?
Also, washing my hands in the restroom next to two other ladies and handwashing has become sincere instead of a performative act. Both ladies were cursing the sinks at Shelby Farms which are made so it’s almost impossible to wash your hands properly. You bonk the top of the faucet and it comes on for about five seconds in a tiny dribble, then automatically shuts off. Also the faucet is so short that you have to bend your wrists and try really hard not to touch the side of the sink while holding your hands under the water. And there are never paper towels in the ladies’. As someone who washes hands I have known this for a while but it was new to everyone else who was just doing the “token finger dip” previously.
There’s a permanent professional sign next to the sinks bragging about how they are brand new and water efficient. “How are we supposed to get our hands clean if we keep having to touch this thing?” one lady complained. “If we’re supposed to wash for 20 seconds, why doesn’t the faucet stay on for that long?”
It is a mystery, dear lady. Truly a mystery.
I don't think it's an issue that's limited to that one hospital in Memphis. I heard on the news today that Italian hospitals have set up tents for triage outside of the hospitals to keep from infecting people who are in the hospitals for other health issues. What in the world?!? If you can't keep hospital staff from transmitting coronavirus from one patient to other, then you can't keep them from transmitting anything contagious (such as staph) from one patient to another. This is just insane. Public health officials are reminding ordinary people to wash their hands when they can't get doctors and nurses to do the same. (This is not a dig at Italian medical professionals. In decades of personal medical appointments and many times acting as the advocate for older relatives in hospitals in the U.S., I have hardly ever seen a doctor or nurse wash their hands or use the hand sanitizer that has in more recent years been installed in most hospital rooms. Dentists, yes. Physicians, no.)
And I too have known relatives, friends, acquaintances who picked up infections in the hospital. This shouldn't be such a common thing if the staff were following best practices.
Yes, last summer here in Massachusetts Mom's neighbor was in the hospital and his IV leaked, which did something to the tape, his nurse picked the tape off with her fingernails (no gloves), and he ended up with a nasty infection.0 -
Our San Antonio Tx Mall lady incident since she was shopping 🛍 positive at a crowded mall there was no way to track anyone down really. The mall staff y hotel 🏨 she stayed in cleaned 🧹 without protective gear after. So who knows who y where .We have mass numbers of shoppers as far as Mexico 🇲🇽 to Houston who shop here - vacation every Saturday that’s not including people abroad. We’re a tourist city.
The Nursing home in Washington State only looked at nurses who worked for the nursing home but refused testing to the private patients family hired private care nurses who sat with them.
No ones adding positive cruise passengers to their states numbers which I heard one lady say Her State has zero still. Ummm 🤔 you got 3 positive cruise ship passengers from your state that are going to bases or home after it docks today. She was shocked 😳 why isn’t it recorded or in our news?
Don’t know.
I think it’s already in many communities without anyone knowing especially if they get the mild symptoms or can’t get tested .
Hopefully will All look back laugh about all this someday like we have every other day Yesterdays news. Or it will be more treatable thought of as the common cold 🥶 as seriousness.
I just want hubby to go grocery shopping not have to bring home tiny cans of high calorie corn cause it’s all that’s left on our shelves. That’s annoying so far. Or go to 2 stores or more to find a package of diapers (were still potty training).
Today is sons 3rd Birthday 🎁 not celebrating until my Dad can come later this week will see if elderly Dad y relatives (live together) need anything that’s not on all the empty shelves In their tiny town .1 -
We have our first two cases in Virginia. One was a military officer who came back from overseas and was quarantined immediately. The other was an elderly gentleman who came back from a Nile cruise. Supposedly there were also a handful of Marylanders on the same cruise that tested positive and all were handled appropriately when they arrived back.
I had dinner with my parents who are in their 70s over the weekend, and tried to feel out what their take on the situation was, and was pleasantly surprised to find they weren't panicked but also weren't buying in to the hoax thing. They are going to continue to babysit the grandkids regardless, so I just have to keep my fingers crossed those huggable little petri dishes don't give it to them.6 -
We have our first two cases in Virginia. One was a military officer who came back from overseas and was quarantined immediately. The other was an elderly gentleman who came back from a Nile cruise. Supposedly there were also a handful of Marylanders on the same cruise that tested positive and all were handled appropriately when they arrived back.
I had dinner with my parents who are in their 70s over the weekend, and tried to feel out what their take on the situation was, and was pleasantly surprised to find they weren't panicked but also weren't buying in to the hoax thing. They are going to continue to babysit the grandkids regardless, so I just have to keep my fingers crossed those huggable little petri dishes don't give it to them.
5 total in MD..
Couple went to public events after they got back from the trip.. one in PA school and one in old folks home/retirement community function in same county. Md governor supposed to have another press briefing today. With the info of the recent two that tested positive3 -
We have our first two cases in Virginia. One was a military officer who came back from overseas and was quarantined immediately. The other was an elderly gentleman who came back from a Nile cruise. Supposedly there were also a handful of Marylanders on the same cruise that tested positive and all were handled appropriately when they arrived back.
I had dinner with my parents who are in their 70s over the weekend, and tried to feel out what their take on the situation was, and was pleasantly surprised to find they weren't panicked but also weren't buying in to the hoax thing. They are going to continue to babysit the grandkids regardless, so I just have to keep my fingers crossed those huggable little petri dishes don't give it to them.
5 total in MD..
Couple went to public events after they got back from the trip.. one in PA school and one in old folks home/retirement community function in same county. Md governor supposed to have another press briefing today. With the info of the recent two that tested positive
There should really be some kind of special protocol developed for nursing/retirement/rehab facilities, as it seems that age group is the most vulnerable!
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As level headed as this thread has managed to remain, I would hope we can all just keep having a friendly conversation and not get bogged down in feeding the you-know-whats. All it will accomplish is making the thread unreadable, and I personally am benefiting from the information I'm getting here.
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I can't attest to the accuracy of coronavirus statistics, but the use of the "ignore" button has improved the quality of my life by 35%.
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More on the St. Louis student (from the Chi Trib):
"Health officials in Illinois and Missouri are trying to track down who came into close contact with a St. Louis woman who tested positive for the coronavirus after flying into O’Hare International Airport, staying with a friend here, then taking an Amtrak train to her home last week.
The woman, in her 20s, flew into O’Hare on Monday and took an Amtrak train to St. Louis on Wednesday, according to Missouri and St. Louis County officials. Officials did not know where she stayed in the Chicago area, or how she got to Union Station to board the Amtrak 303 train....
Meanwhile, Amtrak issued a statement saying the rail service is “working in close contact with public health and emergency management teams to have the best available information to be able to share with our customers and employees who might be affected.”
Amtrak said it was notifying passengers and employees who may have been on the same train. “As a precaution, we have taken the train out of service for comprehensive cleaning and disinfection, and are also working to do a thorough disinfection of the Chicago and St. Louis stations,” the statement said."
Given the number of people who were brought home from programs in Italy, it seems like it would make sense to test them immediately (but we seem to not have enough tests for that). Locally, I know Loyola U brought home students who were studying in Rome, and so did various other local schools and U of I. And as mentioned earlier, one of the known cases in Chicago is a student who was brought home from a Vanderbilt (in Nashville) study abroad program in Italy.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-coronavirus-illinois-universities-20200301-qjd35y5e7zconarnyqrwuw6njq-story.html
Considering how many here in SE Wisconsin commute via Amtrak and/or go through O'Hare I am guessing it is just a matter of time.
Wen to the local Pig yesterday. Only empty shelves I saw were the hand sanitizer and my diet tonic water. Paper products and water were full. I suspect the tonic water has no relationship with the virus since it was only the diet that was empty (I drink a glass near bedtime to help with nocturnal cramps).
I am very sensitive to smells so I only use sanitizer when soap and water are not available. I have a small one I keep in my backpack and another I keep in my glove box and refill them from a larger bottle. I still have most of the 8 oz I bought 2 years ago.1 -
WinoGelato wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »I wrote the part about the government because they're trying to contain the northern outbreak by extending the quarantine. People found out about it late at night and those that live in the rest of Italy, especially college students, quickly packed up and flooded the train stations in the middle of the night and left Milan. They can be contagious and may spread the virus far and wide. Italians are used to doing what they want--the rules are for others, so now to see what happens.
We have our first case in my town (St Louis) because of a study abroad student returning in a hurry from Italy. Apparently she flew through Chicago, took an Amtrak home, and upon return did go to a local hospital for testing and the family was advised to self quarantine, only they didn’t... younger siblings went to school Friday and father took one of the daughters to a dance at a swanky hotel Saturday night. While they were there they got the confirmed presumptive positive diagnosis for the sister and immediately left but people here are outraged that they didn’t heed the recommendation for social quarantine to begin with.
The train stopped in our community between Chicago and St Louis so passengers getting off may have been exposed to her.2 -
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Just to stay on-topic, Ivory Soap is a Proctor and Gambles product. 2 -
Also, this is the third time I've come to MFP to log breakfast...4
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We have our first two cases in Virginia. One was a military officer who came back from overseas and was quarantined immediately. The other was an elderly gentleman who came back from a Nile cruise. Supposedly there were also a handful of Marylanders on the same cruise that tested positive and all were handled appropriately when they arrived back.
I had dinner with my parents who are in their 70s over the weekend, and tried to feel out what their take on the situation was, and was pleasantly surprised to find they weren't panicked but also weren't buying in to the hoax thing. They are going to continue to babysit the grandkids regardless, so I just have to keep my fingers crossed those huggable little petri dishes don't give it to them.
5 total in MD..
Couple went to public events after they got back from the trip.. one in PA school and one in old folks home/retirement community function in same county. Md governor supposed to have another press briefing today. With the info of the recent two that tested positive
There should really be some kind of special protocol developed for nursing/retirement/rehab facilities, as it seems that age group is the most vulnerable!
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As level headed as this thread has managed to remain, I would hope we can all just keep having a friendly conversation and not get bogged down in feeding the you-know-whats. All it will accomplish is making the thread unreadable, and I personally am benefiting from the information I'm getting here.
The nursing home attached to the hospital where I'm interning at has introduced a 'closed doors' policy. Visits are very limited to only the closest family members, and they have to leave proof of ID at the main desk. Kitchen is closed to all non-kitchen staff members (we used to be able to just walk in and drop off the documents we needed to). Children are only allowed if announced ahead of time and are not allowed up onto the residence floor. Hygiene measures are being strictly monitored. I hope none of them catch it.
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It's possible those numbers will go up over time, as the use of the button spreads to more threads.8 -
I forgot to mention a stat from my Netflix doc last night that I was unaware of.
More people died from the Spanish Flu in 1918 than died in both WWI and WWII. And during a much less "global" time. If you don't like the stat take it up with the producers....just the messenger. Off to wash my hands.....with my ivory soap.🧼6 -
https://marinij.com/2020/03/08/more-than-just-the-flu/
Evolution of microbes is not something we can not predict and prepare for very well.0 -
I can't attest to the accuracy of coronavirus statistics, but the use of the "ignore" button has improved the quality of my life by 35%.
I prefer to have a clear picture of what they're up to, partly in the pursuit of not letting their pulpit grow unchecked . . . but I do tend to be fairly calm in the face of the surreal, so that comes at a low personal cost. Also, I find it vaguely entertaining.
Unfortunately, unless you've ignored me (how would I know? ), that probably means you'll see me quote them sometimes. Apologies in advance. 12 -
I forgot to mention a stat from my Netflix doc last night that I was unaware of.
More people died from the Spanish Flu in 1918 than died in both WWI and WWII. And during a much less "global" time. If you don't like the stat take it up with the producers....just the messenger. Off to wash my hands.....with my ivory soap.🧼
I've seen that stat on multiple historical info sites, and before this new virus became a thing. Wow.
And my understanding is that while it was bad in the beginning of 1918, when it re-emerged in the fall it was worse. Obviously it had it's own specific traits and was a different virus than the current one so I'm not drawing any parallels. Supposedly it was unexpectedly deadly among young healthy adults, which the current coronavirus doesn't seem to be. And I'd like to think the lack of sanitary conditions and difficulty in getting information to the masses played a role in that pandemic that is a bit alleviated now, at least in many places. But it's a reminder that "it's just a flu" and "it's just 2%" are disrespectful of what that means in number of lives taken and number of people affected. There's no harm in being vigilant just in case, as long as it's not taken to an extreme
ETA: Perhaps after watching a few dystopian apocalypse movies, I should get a book on the 1918 spanish flu.
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I think it's interesting (and good, obviously) that there are not a lot of children getting sick.
A doctor friend of mine told me she thinks this virus is similar to the "kid" cold viruses that go through schools all the time, so most children have some immunity to viruses in this category. They can definitely carry it, though, and pass it along to others.4 -
I have a dry cough right now due to sinus drip from allergies. I've been loading up on cough drops before going out in public trying not to add to people's anxiety over getting infected in public places. I religiously cough into my elbow but it could easily be triggering for others. I should add we're in farm country and they're plowing the fields so a lot of people are coughing.
I am disgusted with the opportunists, many of them religious leaders, who are targeting vulnerable people with fake cures and preventative crap. I think that those cynical sobs hawking this stuff should be subject to a jail sentence and not just a cease and desist order.
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I forgot to mention a stat from my Netflix doc last night that I was unaware of.
More people died from the Spanish Flu in 1918 than died in both WWI and WWII. And during a much less "global" time. If you don't like the stat take it up with the producers....just the messenger. Off to wash my hands.....with my ivory soap.🧼
There've been some interesting history pieces recently about the 1918 flu pandemic. I forget where I saw it, and didn't cross-check the facts in detail**, but one compared two US cities' reactions (I think St. Louis and one of the major cities in PA), and the contagion results in the city. One "over-reacted" (to use a loaded term intentionally) and went into city-wide social distancing and shutdowns within 2 days of the first cases; the other waited more like 2 weeks. Substantially greater infection/death rates in the latter.
** A quick check showed multiple sources - not all Big 6 MSM - saying that results between cities in 1918 differered materially, based on policies they adopted, but I didn't try to find these specific 2 cities.
Repeating, for those not reading as closely: This was about the 1918 flu epidemic, not COVID-19.8
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