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Coronavirus prep
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GaleHawkins wrote: »Since the ones that are dying seem to have had preexisting health issues it seems while a good stock of toilet paper and canned tuna are nice that working to improve general health is the best goal 24/7/365. The first case in KY and TN have been announced. Locally it is expected to arrive mid April so at least we will have winter behind us.
Maybe being old is a factor at our house but who does not have 24+ of toilet paper on hands at all times?
I don't think whether it's winter or not matters...it's hitting in the southern hemisphere where it is currently summer.2 -
There are quite a few Social Distancing suggestions and actions right now in Seattle and the surrounding area. Older people are being told to stay home. All the senior centers are closed.
Obviously the Big Money makers are taking the biggest action. Microsoft, Amazon, Boeing and (at least) the Northshore School District have taken measures to have their employees and students work from home. Schools, including the Universities are closed for the rest of the month. ComicCon is cancelled, and I'm sure other large gatherings. The professional sports teams haven't made any official decisions but some out-of-area school sports teams have chosen not to come to Seattle - and I can't blame them. I guess it's good that this is a very tech-y community in that a lot of the work can be done in isolation/at home.
I'm torn, it's hard to stay distant. I'm hoping this containment action will help, but no way to know right now.
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That colloidal silver stuff has been snake oil for a while..I'd run away from anything if Bakker is involved. He was already in prison for defrauding people8 -
cmriverside wrote: »
That's behind a pay wall. I can imagine - if Bakker is involved. He was already jailed once for that fraudulent stuff.
He was selling a silver supplement on his show, with a "doctor" confirming that while it hadn't been tested on the current coronavirus, it's been known to cure previous coronaviruses. And yep, he's a *kitten* and hopefully there's a special circle of hell for him.6 -
There've been some interesting history pieces recently about the 1918 flu pandemic. I forget where I saw it, and didn't cross-check the facts in detail**, but one compared two US cities' reactions (I think St. Louis and one of the major cities in PA), and the contagion results in the city. One "over-reacted" (to use a loaded term intentionally) and went into city-wide social distancing and shutdowns within 2 days of the first cases; the other waited more like 2 weeks. Substantially greater infection/death rates in the latter.
** A quick check showed multiple sources - not all Big 6 MSM
- saying that results between cities in 1918 differered materially, based on policies they adopted, but I didn't try to find these specific 2 cities.
Repeating, for those not reading as closely: This was about the 1918 flu epidemic, not COVID-19.
I remembered seeing a reference to that recently too, so found it -- it's an older article that must have come back into the news due to current events, but I'm pretty sure this is it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/17/health/17flu.html
Quoting the relevant bit for those who may not be able to get beyond the paywall:
"When the Spanish flu reached the United States in the summer of 1918, it seemed to confine itself to military camps. But when it arrived in Philadelphia in September, it struck with a vengeance.
By the time officials there grasped the threat of the virus, it was too late. The disease was rampaging through the population, partly because the city had allowed large public gatherings, including a citywide parade in support of a World War I loan drive, to go on as planned. In four months, more than 12,000 Philadelphians died, an excess death rate of 719 people for every 100,000 inhabitants.
The story was quite different in St. Louis. Two weeks before Philadelphia officials began to react, doctors in St. Louis persuaded the city to require that influenza cases be registered with the health department. And two days after the first civilian cases, police officers helped the department enforce a shutdown of schools, churches and other gathering places. Infected people were quarantined in their homes.
Excess deaths in St. Louis were 347 per 100,000 people, less than half the rate in Philadelphia. Early action appeared to have saved thousands of lives....
Using mathematical models, [experts studying the 1918 flu] reported that such large differences in death rates could be explained by the ways the cities carried out prevention measures, especially in their timing. Cities that instituted quarantine, school closings, bans on public gatherings and other such procedures early in the epidemic had peak death rates 30 percent to 50 percent lower than those that did not."5 -
cmriverside wrote: »
That colloidal silver stuff has been snake oil for a while..I'd run away from anything if Bakker is involved. He was already in prison for defrauding people
Even Hippocrates touted the benefits of silver. All we need now is some idiot to bring back the treatments and salves that contained mercury. At least silver is pretty much benign although if someone takes it and goes out in the sun their skin can turn blue.5 -
Even Hippocrates touted the benefits of silver. All we need now is some idiot to bring back the treatments and salves that contained mercury. At least silver is pretty much benign although if someone takes it and goes out in the sun their skin can turn blue.
Remind me of that next time I want to play a practical joke on my brother
It's frightening how some snake oil salesmen manage to make a living off the desperation of people.3 -
cmriverside wrote: » Just to stay on-topic, Ivory Soap is a Proctor and Gambles product.
I'm all set with Ivory soap for the next few months. I ordered something from Walmart.com that was not available locally and needed another $5 to meet the free shipping threshold, and it happened to be Ivory soap. Well, for some stupid reason, they shipped it out of NV instead of someplace closer to me in MA, it went all over the country, and was going to take so long to arrive that I bought another 10 pack from the store.
Good luck competing with Amazon Prime, Walmart.1 -
WinoGelato wrote: »
We have our first case in my town (St Louis) because of a study abroad student returning in a hurry from Italy. Apparently she flew through Chicago, took an Amtrak home, and upon return did go to a local hospital for testing and the family was advised to self quarantine, only they didn’t... younger siblings went to school Friday and father took one of the daughters to a dance at a swanky hotel Saturday night. While they were there they got the confirmed presumptive positive diagnosis for the sister and immediately left but people here are outraged that they didn’t heed the recommendation for social quarantine to begin with.
Apparently "close relatives" of the student on the train have become ill with the virus.
Pubic stoning for "stupid behavior"?1 -
My state:
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/coronavirus-cases-jump-from-13-to-28-in-massachusetts/2087593/
The number of confirmed or presumptive positive cases of the novel coronavirus in Massachusetts has jumped to 28, up from 13 on Saturday, according to state health officials.
Twenty-seven of the state's cases are presumed to be positive, state officials say. One case has been confirmed by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Fifteen new presumptive positive cases of the virus were announced by the Massachusetts Department of Public Health on Sunday, including five in Boston.
State health officials say all 15 cases — eight men and seven women — had a direct connection to a conference held by the biotech company Biogen from Feb. 24 to 27 at the Marriott Long Wharf in Boston's Seaport District.2 -
Walmart shopping the items not in the warehouse near you that’s the issue .So each box you get came from a different warehouse instead of one.0
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kshama2001 wrote: »
I'm all set with Ivory soap for the next few months. I ordered something from Walmart.com that was not available locally and needed another $5 to meet the free shipping threshold, and it happened to be Ivory soap. Well, for some stupid reason, they shipped it out of NV instead of someplace closer to me in MA, it went all over the country, and was going to take so long to arrive that I bought another 10 pack from the store.
Good luck competing with Amazon Prime, Walmart.
I make my own soap, and have enough stock for 10 years.......that's what happens when you pick up a new hobby, I guess - you have to try different recipes and colors and scents, right?10 -
We have our first two cases in Virginia. One was a military officer who came back from overseas and was quarantined immediately. The other was an elderly gentleman who came back from a Nile cruise. Supposedly there were also a handful of Marylanders on the same cruise that tested positive and all were handled appropriately when they arrived back.
I had dinner with my parents who are in their 70s over the weekend, and tried to feel out what their take on the situation was, and was pleasantly surprised to find they weren't panicked but also weren't buying in to the hoax thing. They are going to continue to babysit the grandkids regardless, so I just have to keep my fingers crossed those huggable little petri dishes don't give it to them.
Don't know if I would say they were all handled "appropriately" when they came back, as one individual among the Maryland cases went to a senior living community to sit shiva rather than self-quarantine, and another went to an event that I have yet to see described specifically -- it was in Pennsylvania in someone's home, but with a large attendance of both school children and school staff.2 -
I'm in the San Francisco bay area. My daughter just sent me a picture of the Princess Cruise ship still docked in the bay. She took the picture from my grandson's preschool
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »
Don't know if I would say they were all handled "appropriately" when they came back, as one individual among the Maryland cases went to a senior living community to sit shiva rather than self-quarantine, and another went to an event that I have yet to see described specifically -- it was in Pennsylvania in someone's home, but with a large attendance of both school children and school staff.
Ah, I worded that wrong, sorry. It was the two cases in VA that what I read said were handled appropriately. I actually didn't know the details of the folks in Maryland.0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »
I don't think whether it's winter or not matters...it's hitting in the southern hemisphere where it is currently summer.
From my understanding, the vast majority of cases in Australia are from people who have returned from other countries rather than transmission to others when they have returned home. That may change now that the weather is cooling down with autumn. I have read that the virus doesn't survive in the heat but who knows what is and isn't true.1 -
Lillymoo01 wrote: »
From my understanding, the vast majority of cases in Australia are from people who have returned from other countries rather than transmission to others when they have returned home. That may change now that the weather is cooling down with autumn. I have read that the virus doesn't survive in the heat but who knows what is and isn't true.
Our NZ cases are all people who have returned from overseas, or their family members, so far.
My understanding was that we don't yet know if there is a seasonal component to infection rate. The fact that it has arrived here (and in Aus) in time to coincide with seasonal 'flu is not great, though.0 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »
Our NZ cases are all people who have returned from overseas, or their family members, so far.
My understanding was that we don't yet know if there is a seasonal component to infection rate. The fact that it has arrived here (and in Aus) in time to coincide with seasonal 'flu is not great, though.
My guess is that the number of cases in the southern hemisphere will escalate with the cooler weather and combined with seasonal flu will push emergency departments to breaking point. However, if more are taking precautions to avoid coronavirus then the number of cases of seasonal flu may be significantly less than normal6 -
Lillymoo01 wrote: »
From my understanding, the vast majority of cases in Australia are from people who have returned from other countries rather than transmission to others when they have returned home. That may change now that the weather is cooling down with autumn. I have read that the virus doesn't survive in the heat but who knows what is and isn't true.
I believe they don't know yet, but there is some hope that might be true.0 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »
Apparently "close relatives" of the student on the train have become ill with the virus.
Pubic stoning for "stupid behavior"?
I haven’t seen anything alluding to that yet in the local paper online but it wouldn’t surprise me. I did just read that Bayer is closing one of its offices here for deep cleaning because an employee is suspected of having the virus, it’s possible that could be a family member of the study abroad student that has been confirmed.
Yes there is a lot of negligence and bad judgement going on here but I do feel badly for these college students who are being labeled some sort of pariah as I can’t imagine dealing with that social stigma at that age. But yeah they should be smart enough to observe the guidelines to avoid further risking others being infected.2 -
Lillymoo01 wrote: »
My guess is that the number of cases in the southern hemisphere will escalate with the cooler weather and combined with seasonal flu will push emergency departments to breaking point. However, if more are taking precautions to avoid coronavirus then the number of cases of seasonal flu may be significantly less than normal
Yes, we're certainly aiming for the latter scenario! I suspect there will be a very strong push for people to get 'flu vaccinations this year (I mean, there's always a push, but I expect they'll double down on that, and hopefully make sure they get enough in this year).4 -
Lillymoo01 wrote: »
From my understanding, the vast majority of cases in Australia are from people who have returned from other countries rather than transmission to others when they have returned home. That may change now that the weather is cooling down with autumn. I have read that the virus doesn't survive in the heat but who knows what is and isn't true.
Hopefully it can't...but I know there are 5 confirmed in Arizona where it's hot all the time and one of the individuals didn't travel anywhere.0 -
More on the St. Louis student (from the Chi Trib):
"Health officials in Illinois and Missouri are trying to track down who came into close contact with a St. Louis woman who tested positive for the coronavirus after flying into O’Hare International Airport, staying with a friend here, then taking an Amtrak train to her home last week.
The woman, in her 20s, flew into O’Hare on Monday and took an Amtrak train to St. Louis on Wednesday, according to Missouri and St. Louis County officials. Officials did not know where she stayed in the Chicago area, or how she got to Union Station to board the Amtrak 303 train....
Meanwhile, Amtrak issued a statement saying the rail service is “working in close contact with public health and emergency management teams to have the best available information to be able to share with our customers and employees who might be affected.”
Amtrak said it was notifying passengers and employees who may have been on the same train. “As a precaution, we have taken the train out of service for comprehensive cleaning and disinfection, and are also working to do a thorough disinfection of the Chicago and St. Louis stations,” the statement said."
Given the number of people who were brought home from programs in Italy, it seems like it would make sense to test them immediately (but we seem to not have enough tests for that). Locally, I know Loyola U brought home students who were studying in Rome, and so did various other local schools and U of I. And as mentioned earlier, one of the known cases in Chicago is a student who was brought home from a Vanderbilt (in Nashville) study abroad program in Italy.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-coronavirus-illinois-universities-20200301-qjd35y5e7zconarnyqrwuw6njq-story.html
AmTrak has a station a block away from where I live and that train goes through here (the train goes North-South from Chicago to New Orleans). Should I panic yet?!
ETA: Nope, sorry, that is a different train... I was thinking it was the same route, but it is a bit different. And no, I wasn't going to panic anyway.
ETA again: Chicago Union Station is one of the busiest in the U.S. I don't think it is #1, but probably #2 or #3 in terms of daily passengers going through. O'Hare is a busy airport also. So obviously from those places, it can spread geographically very fast.0 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
AmTrak has a station a block away from where I live and that train goes through here (the train goes North-South from Chicago to New Orleans). Should I panic yet?!
If your daily routine includes hanging around the station and hugging randos getting off of the City of New Orleans then it might be OK to panic, otherwise you're probably still OK.11 -
If your daily routine includes hanging around the station and hugging randos getting off of the City of New Orleans then it might be OK to panic, otherwise you're probably still OK.
Wait...how did you know my routine...?
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Lillymoo01 wrote: »
From my understanding, the vast majority of cases in Australia are from people who have returned from other countries rather than transmission to others when they have returned home. That may change now that the weather is cooling down with autumn. I have read that the virus doesn't survive in the heat but who knows what is and isn't true.
Yes that is so far correct.
future partly depends on how well those people self isolate when asked by authorities to do so.
But if any more of them follow the example of a Toorak GP (a doctor !!) who did not do so - after travelling overseas and returning with flu like symptoms, he went to work, in contact with patients, many obviously medically vulnerable, and did his nursing home visits......
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If your daily routine includes hanging around the station and hugging randos getting off of the City of New Orleans then it might be OK to panic, otherwise you're probably still OK.
I do run past the station several days per week, drive past every day, and a lot of random strangers get off the train and go past my place to get to the nearest convenience store. But no, I'm not hugging a lot of them. So I'm not panicking.1 -
yes, expert on TV said you can catch it over and over again. But each time should be a lighter reaction due to immunities building up.2
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