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  • Diatonic12Diatonic12 Member Posts: 5,116 Member Member Posts: 5,116 Member
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/open-america/contact-tracing.html


    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/php/principles-contact-tracing-booklet.pdf


    https://ec.europa.eu/newsroom/sante/newsletter-specific-archive-issue.cfm?archtype=specific&newsletter_service_id=327&newsletter_issue_id=22243&page=1&fullDate=Wed 13 May 2020&lang=default

    The guidelines will be complemented by interoperability specifications for cross-border transmission chains between approved apps. This will be supported by structured discussions between Member States through the eHealth Network. The work of Member States to develop and validate the apps will be supported by the New Generation Internet and m-health communities.
    edited May 19
  • kushiel1kushiel1 Member Posts: 28 Member Member Posts: 28 Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    kushiel1 wrote: »
    Diatonic12 wrote: »
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/open-america/contact-tracing.html


    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/php/principles-contact-tracing-booklet.pdf


    https://ec.europa.eu/newsroom/sante/newsletter-specific-archive-issue.cfm?archtype=specific&newsletter_service_id=327&newsletter_issue_id=22243&page=1&fullDate=Wed 13 May 2020&lang=default

    The guidelines will be complemented by interoperability specifications for cross-border transmission chains between approved apps. This will be supported by structured discussions between Member States through the eHealth Network. The work of Member States to develop and validate the apps will be supported by the New Generation Internet and m-health communities.

    I've heard that there will be apps to do contact tracing in the near future (and another link in a different post talked about someone who is putting one together). But I'm not sure I'm on board with this idea - yes it would be good to know who someone is positive has had contact with so we can alert people that they have been exposed, but it seems like a slippery slope to allow ourselves to be essentially spied upon. If we open this door it would be mighty hard to close it and I don't like the idea that we are opening ourselves to this much government tracking even if for a good cause/reason.

    It'll be interesting to see how everything goes with this idea.

    There are privacy-protecting methods for creating such apps that don't turn massive individual-identity tracking information over to the government (or other centralized entities). How the apps work is therefore a key issue.

    I hope you - and others who're concerned about this - know that the default settings on many US cell phones are revealing your location to some large corporation someplace, if you haven't overridden the default settings. (It's not necessarily a privacy-invasion plot, their statement about it is that they do it in order to provide you better assistance in certain contexts. It does better allow them to go after certain types of marketing revenue. ;) ) (May be true outside the US, but I don't know that.)

    I'm not a fan of the way the phone gears my ads towards me whenever I've been searching for something - it's becoming something I'm not comfortable with honestly. The kindle app is totally fine for it to spy on my goodreads/what I've searched for on their app but everything else is bothersome. I guess the reduction in privacy is the price we pay for all these modern conveniences but not sure I like it these days...I'm turning into an old grouchy woman as I get older!
  • ReenieHJReenieHJ Member Posts: 1,523 Member Member Posts: 1,523 Member
    kushiel1 wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    kushiel1 wrote: »
    Diatonic12 wrote: »
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/open-america/contact-tracing.html


    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/php/principles-contact-tracing-booklet.pdf


    https://ec.europa.eu/newsroom/sante/newsletter-specific-archive-issue.cfm?archtype=specific&newsletter_service_id=327&newsletter_issue_id=22243&page=1&fullDate=Wed 13 May 2020&lang=default

    The guidelines will be complemented by interoperability specifications for cross-border transmission chains between approved apps. This will be supported by structured discussions between Member States through the eHealth Network. The work of Member States to develop and validate the apps will be supported by the New Generation Internet and m-health communities.

    I've heard that there will be apps to do contact tracing in the near future (and another link in a different post talked about someone who is putting one together). But I'm not sure I'm on board with this idea - yes it would be good to know who someone is positive has had contact with so we can alert people that they have been exposed, but it seems like a slippery slope to allow ourselves to be essentially spied upon. If we open this door it would be mighty hard to close it and I don't like the idea that we are opening ourselves to this much government tracking even if for a good cause/reason.

    It'll be interesting to see how everything goes with this idea.

    There are privacy-protecting methods for creating such apps that don't turn massive individual-identity tracking information over to the government (or other centralized entities). How the apps work is therefore a key issue.

    I hope you - and others who're concerned about this - know that the default settings on many US cell phones are revealing your location to some large corporation someplace, if you haven't overridden the default settings. (It's not necessarily a privacy-invasion plot, their statement about it is that they do it in order to provide you better assistance in certain contexts. It does better allow them to go after certain types of marketing revenue. ;) ) (May be true outside the US, but I don't know that.)

    I'm not a fan of the way the phone gears my ads towards me whenever I've been searching for something - it's becoming something I'm not comfortable with honestly. The kindle app is totally fine for it to spy on my goodreads/what I've searched for on their app but everything else is bothersome. I guess the reduction in privacy is the price we pay for all these modern conveniences but not sure I like it these days...I'm turning into an old grouchy woman as I get older!

    It's scary really, these devices seem to know what we want before we want it. :) I don't have a smart phone and not sure if I'll ever get one but it's freaky with just the laptop.
  • slimgirljo15slimgirljo15 Member Posts: 241,992 Member Member Posts: 241,992 Member
    kushiel1 wrote: »
    Diatonic12 wrote: »
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/open-america/contact-tracing.html


    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/php/principles-contact-tracing-booklet.pdf


    https://ec.europa.eu/newsroom/sante/newsletter-specific-archive-issue.cfm?archtype=specific&newsletter_service_id=327&newsletter_issue_id=22243&page=1&fullDate=Wed 13 May 2020&lang=default

    The guidelines will be complemented by interoperability specifications for cross-border transmission chains between approved apps. This will be supported by structured discussions between Member States through the eHealth Network. The work of Member States to develop and validate the apps will be supported by the New Generation Internet and m-health communities.

    I've heard that there will be apps to do contact tracing in the near future (and another link in a different post talked about someone who is putting one together). But I'm not sure I'm on board with this idea - yes it would be good to know who someone is positive has had contact with so we can alert people that they have been exposed, but it seems like a slippery slope to allow ourselves to be essentially spied upon. If we open this door it would be mighty hard to close it and I don't like the idea that we are opening ourselves to this much government tracking even if for a good cause/reason.

    It'll be interesting to see how everything goes with this idea.

    The way the proposed apps work is that phones talk to each other nearby phones by broadcasting random strings of numbers. Then if someone gets the virus, they send an alert to all phones which have “talked” to that phone. No human has to know who encountered who.

    Yes, Australia has this app.. 🙂 over a million downloads.
    https://www.health.gov.au/resources/apps-and-tools/covidsafe-app#about-the-app
  • paperpuddingpaperpudding Member Posts: 5,810 Member Member Posts: 5,810 Member
    kushiel1 wrote: »
    Diatonic12 wrote: »
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/open-america/contact-tracing.html


    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/php/principles-contact-tracing-booklet.pdf


    https://ec.europa.eu/newsroom/sante/newsletter-specific-archive-issue.cfm?archtype=specific&newsletter_service_id=327&newsletter_issue_id=22243&page=1&fullDate=Wed 13 May 2020&lang=default

    The guidelines will be complemented by interoperability specifications for cross-border transmission chains between approved apps. This will be supported by structured discussions between Member States through the eHealth Network. The work of Member States to develop and validate the apps will be supported by the New Generation Internet and m-health communities.

    I've heard that there will be apps to do contact tracing in the near future (and another link in a different post talked about someone who is putting one together). But I'm not sure I'm on board with this idea - yes it would be good to know who someone is positive has had contact with so we can alert people that they have been exposed, but it seems like a slippery slope to allow ourselves to be essentially spied upon. If we open this door it would be mighty hard to close it and I don't like the idea that we are opening ourselves to this much government tracking even if for a good cause/reason.

    It'll be interesting to see how everything goes with this idea.

    The apps being developed by major providers for the U.S. don't contemplate turning the information over to the government (which has made public health officials far less enthusiastic about them). Basically, you would download the app if you wanted and opt in to having your location tracked and stored. Then, if you or anyone else using the app tests positive for COVID, you or they would be expected to notify the app of that, and the app would in turn let all the app users who had been in the same location as you in the past XX days know that they have potentially been exposed. They wouldn't be told who the person was who may have exposed them, and the government wouldn't be told anything.

    Between the potential for jerks downloading it and falsely reporting they've tested positive (for the same reason some of the unmasked mock the masked), and the likelihood that lots of people would fail to report if they tested positive (because they were too sick by that time to be thinking about it, because they had renewed privacy concerns, because they forgot about it, because they were busy trying to figure out how to deal with real self-quaranting and not expose the people they live with, etc.), I'm not seeing these apps as being all that helpful.

    Thats not how the Australian one works - the phone owner does not report that they are positive nor contact other phone owners.

    Health officials use the positive person's phone to see who else (or more correctly which other phones with the app) their phone has been in the vicinity of for 15 minutes or more.

    I have not downloaded it - and most times I am in vicinity of unknown people for more than 15 mins I dont have my phone on me anyway
    I go to work, shopping, sports, dog park,dog obedience classes, walking group, and don't have my phone on me all the time.
    So, in fact I could well be in contact with people but my phone won't show that anyway


  • TonyB0588TonyB0588 Member Posts: 8,801 Member Member Posts: 8,801 Member
    I just found out that some police and sheriffs here in TN are being given names and addresses of everyone who has tested positive. Health privacy apparently doesn't matter here: https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2020/may/08/state-health-department-gives-names-addresses/522572/

    Why?? What are police doing with the information? It isn't illegal to be I'll.
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