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I see someone disagrees with my experience of being in an apartment building where it is impossible to social distance when trying to go out. What is it you disagree about?
It wasn't me, but maybe the idea that you are trapped in your apartment because someone sits on the landing (whether or not he wears a mask while doing so). Hasn't it been proven that brief exposure of that sort (and no way of knowing if he's actually a Covid + person) isn't a risk, that it's more of a risk for longer exposure? So you could go down the stairs (with your mask on) without pausing near the guy and therefore get out of your apartment as needed.
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cmriverside wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »The harsh reality is that those with the fewest resources to keep safe have the most pressure to get back to pre-covid practices.
Honestly this restriction has gone on long enough that this group is probably approaching critical mass right now.
Those of you in this thread who are the loudest proponents of social distancing and masks and quarantines...how would you feel about all this were you not privileged? It's easy for those with stay-home capability to pontificate from their keyboards but the reality is that tens of millions of people are living basically hand-to-mouth even in the best of economic times.
Unless you know a way to fabricate money out of thin air, I think allowing everyone to make their own choice is going to be the only way forward. Yes, people are going to die. More people won't. The choice should not be up to rich people living in comfortable isolation with plenty of money.
If the argument is that those of us with resources should be LESS concerned about the deaths of those with fewer resources, I'm going to have to disagree.
I'm lucky to be able to work from home. I realize that, which is why I am a strong advocate for other people to be more protected. Since we're supposed to keep politics out of this conversation, I can't share details of exactly what I have in mind. But I'll just say that I don't think you're really truly "making your own choice" if you're choosing between being evicted because you can't pay your rent and sending your kids to school in uncertain circumstances so that you can work.
If I wasn't privileged, I would hope that someone would give some thought to me and think that I mattered, that I wasn't just an acceptable loss we'll have in order to get back to "normal."
We still aren't sure what recovery looks like, how many people will have lifelong impacts. "More people won't [die]" isn't the whole scope of how people can potentially be harmed.
Sure, Utopia. How we would love thee.
Said everyone in the history of Ever.
Jane, we have the system we have.
You know I didn't mean this:If the argument is that those of us with resources should be LESS concerned about the deaths of those with fewer resources, I'm going to have to disagree.
So since you're so concerned, what are you actually doing about it other than hand-wringing? Are you donating all your extra money? Are you paying tuition for under-privileged kids? How about taking in a single mom with two kids and supporting them and letting them live in your third bedroom? It's very easy to type these oh-so-noble Truths out on a fitness forum, where they don't cost you anything.
How about getting all your comfortable friends to go in on a house for homeless people? Buying groceries for a family out of work? I'm not saying I do all that stuff, either. People are mostly a bunch of hot air though. When pressed to DO something, it's someone else's problem. The Government should do it. Yadda yadda.
So let's look at the UK. They have socialized medicine. They decided to do the herd immunity thing. It was ugly. But they can't afford to shut down the economy and still care for the people. Same with Sweden. Socialization is not the answer. Self-determination and self-accountability can be the answer - but not if people are locked out of working.
I've donated money, I've donated to candidates that have reasonable ideas and plan to vote for them. It's quite unfair to assume that people who disagree with you are doing nothing or that they've got a bunch of extra bedrooms with nobody in them (for the record, I live in a one bedroom apartment).
Yes, I think the government can and should do more. That doesn't mean that I'm waiting for that or absolving myself of responsibility.
You're assuming that I'm doing NOTHING, but also insist that I "know" you didn't mean people with money should be less concerned about preventable deaths when you literally wrote that the choice shouldn't be up to us. But what's the point of having privilege if you can't use it to try to make things better? In terms of money and influence, I don't have much, but I still want to use it to try to help. What's the alternative? Just passively hoping that we won't lose half a million people to this thing?14 -
We are trapped in our apartment by an old man who goes for dialysis three times a week. Poor soul, he can't make it up the stair well in one go and is desperate for air by the time he reaches our landing so he sits on the window pane there until he catches his breath, meanwhile breathing heavily and in gasps. This has been the situation for over a year. We tried to keep a record of when he was scheduled to be picked up by the health department but it seems irregular. Which means he's there maybe 5 days a week talking on the phone, as he seems to like to sit there if they are late picking him up, or they have rescheduled him for another day. In our Department ( County? ) almost all new and recent clusters have come from hospitals, health centers or elderly homes. Unfortunately this man doesn't like to wear the masks. The hospital gave him one during the early shut down but I havn't seen him wear one on the way back from his dialysis often. Usually he takes it off as soon as he gets in the door. The stair well in our building makes it impossible to social distance. There would only be at most two feet distance or if two people pass on the stairs, impossible without touching.
My husband has written to our landlord asking himto notify the building committee that everyone should wear masks in the public areas of the building. Masks will be obligatory beginning August 1 all over France. I hope it helps. We can't even get time to take out our garbage as it is!
Would you be able to ask the guy (either in person social distancing) or via phone what his schedule is so you can avoid meeting him in stairs? You could begin the conversation with "so we can keep you safe". I would think if you know he is going for dialysis 3 times a week you know him well enough to approach him in this manner.3 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »@spiriteagle99 Ayup. It's the older cowboys who are stubborn as mules. They'll literally stare you down and give you the stinkeye. I have no idea how they're going to enforce it but some of the bigger box stores have guards dressed in black at the door a few towns away from me.
My teeth are on edge.
I'm also so tired of the "you're wearing a mask" stinkeye!!! I've missed where you are but I'm in Northeast TN, and I fully expect Walmart-stories in my area from belligerent rednecks and hillbillies wanting to cause drama. This hillbilly has been wearing masks since March b/c I care about people and to protect elderly and infirm folk and have lost friends and can't talk to my family as a result b/c COVID is a hoax and just a flu, but unfortunately we have just gotten a county mask mandate (after the local hospital system and local physicians BEGGED them in a formal letter) which the local govt said they weren't going to enforce, and the stubborn folk have been very hateful about how they aren't doing it. So it was pointless, until the few national chain businesses stepped in and started the "no mask, no entry." There were people on the local news Facebook page yesterday trash talking in the comments and literally going off on how if the store or anyone else tries to make them wear a mask, they will "knock their teeth out of their mouth!!!"
It's pretty sad that this country is having to be saved by businesses. I was telling my sister who lives in Houston the other day how absurd it is that I have to thank Walmart for being the one to save Tennessee from itself when our own state and local government won't. And our ignorant, thoughtless, belligerent folk won't either.
I HATE Walmart! But thank you, Wally. Thank you security guard and employees that put up with these people, cuz I'm SO DONE with them.
An hour drive away the Bristol Motor Speedway had a NASCAR race with 20,000-30,000 fans in attendance last week. People from here go to Bristol all the time. Lord help us.
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Any tips to share, now that we have some practice under our belts?
Not helpful for you, but I've gotten more practiced at ordering for delivery.
I go to the office 2-3 times a week, but order all groceries (some from the farmer's market) and also order from Target and Home Depot, although I've gone to HD and other gardening stores since they've opened.
Here, there are currently no shortages.2 -
Well I’m 70 years old and my husband has copd and aesthema. Why can’t this man just wear a mask and slowly walk up to his apartment instead of blocking us? of all people in the building he is most likely to bring Covid 19 disease in as he rides in an ambulance 6 times a week and spends 3 or more hours in hospitals a week. Are others concerned about their unventilated hallways and stairs in apartment buildings?11
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@baconslave I'm from the last vestige of the wild, wild west. I don't say because we don't want any more company.
If your phone is not ringing it's me. I'm not a hand wringer by nature. 
You might appreciate this from a neighbor.
Just a word of caution.
"Before you come to our area to visit you must be aware of what is happening here.
We're doing OK here right now with COVID cases. We watch in horror as the rest of the country spikes and wonder how long before it makes its way here.
So if you plan on vacationing at our mountains, rivers, lakes or on our prairies this summer, I think you should know that red ants and bedbugs have infested hotels and motels across the area due to a wetter than usual spring. Mountain lions have eaten all domesticated animals and some smaller people. The poison ivy has overtaken all other vegetation. We have had bear sightings at every park and town. Watch out for the jackalopes, they have been extremely aggressive this season.
We have Bigfoots INVADING OUR PARKS and Porcupines "stabbing" small children should they dare to enter the forest. Skunks have made their way over and multiplied at unprecedented rates and wander the local campgrounds in packs. Murder hornets!?! We’ve got great black clouds of murder hornets, and swarms of Mormon crickets and grasshoppers. Scorpions have been congregating in massive quantities under rocks and logs. I’m pretty sure all private tiger owners have released their cats into the streets of our cities and towns. Head lice now fly... right beside the bats."
So stay where you are, in your own province, state or county where it's safe!
Seriously, PLEASE DO NOT COME HERE... ✋🏼 🤗
Truth is stranger than fiction. Over the 4th, a mountain lion came in and ran off with a dog one day and a cat the next.
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Well I’m 70 years old and my husband has copd and aesthema. Why can’t this man just wear a mask and slowly walk up to his apartment instead of blocking us? of all people in the building he is most likely to bring Covid 19 disease in as he rides in an ambulance 6 times a week and spends 3 or more hours in hospitals a week. Are others concerned about their unventilated hallways and stairs in apartment buildings?
I moved from a condo (4th and top floor) to a house in 2017, and am super grateful for that. My old neighbors were mostly young (30 something), and likely would not be all that careful, so that would have been stressful. I'm sorry you have to deal with this.7 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »@baconslave I'm from the last vestige of the wild, wild west. I don't say because we don't want any more company. If your phone is not ringing it's me. I'm not a hand wringer by nature.
You might appreciate this from a neighbor.
Just a word of caution.
"Before you come to our area to visit you must be aware of what is happening here.
We're doing OK here right now with COVID cases. We watch in horror as the rest of the country spikes and wonder how long before it makes its way here.
So if you plan on vacationing at our mountains, rivers, lakes or on our prairies this summer, I think you should know that red ants and bedbugs have infested hotels and motels across the area due to a wetter than usual spring. Mountain lions have eaten all domesticated animals and some smaller people. The poison ivy has overtaken all other vegetation. We have had bear sightings at every park and town. Watch out for the jackalopes, they have been extremely aggressive this season.
We have Bigfoots INVADING OUR PARKS and Porcupines "stabbing" small children should they dare to enter the forest. Skunks have made their way over and multiplied at unprecedented rates and wander the local campgrounds in packs. Murder hornets!?! We’ve got great black clouds of murder hornets, and swarms of Mormon crickets and grasshoppers. Scorpions have been congregating in massive quantities under rocks and logs. I’m pretty sure all private tiger owners have released their cats into the streets of our cities and towns. Head lice now fly... right beside the bats."
So stay where you are, in your own province, state or county where it's safe!
Seriously, PLEASE DO NOT COME HERE... ✋🏼 🤗
Truth is stranger than fiction. Over the 4th, a mountain lion came in and ran off with a dog one day and a cat the next.
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I’m also worried because our Department has gone from barely any cases to 2.99, nearly three to one infections. it is the fastest re surge in the country atm. Partly blamed on tourism as we are near the sea and our population goes up high in summer.2
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I’m happy for you! We didn’t make it out before the resurgent spread. unfortunate!Well I’m 70 years old and my husband has copd and aesthema. Why can’t this man just wear a mask and slowly walk up to his apartment instead of blocking us? of all people in the building he is most likely to bring Covid 19 disease in as he rides in an ambulance 6 times a week and spends 3 or more hours in hospitals a week. Are others concerned about their unventilated hallways and stairs in apartment buildings?
I moved from a condo (4th and top floor) to a house in 2017, and am super grateful for that. My old neighbors were mostly young (30 something), and likely would not be all that careful, so that would have been stressful. I'm sorry you have to deal with this.
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I’m also worried because our Department has gone from barely any cases to 2.99, nearly three to one infections. it is the fastest re surge in the country atm. Partly blamed on tourism as we are near the sea and our population goes up high in summer.
Yep, many co-workers (NW Tennessee) are going on vacation to beaches in FL, AL, etc. They keep telling this story about how it isn't very risky, but I find it hard to believe.2 -
I see someone disagrees with my experience of being in an apartment building where it is impossible to social distance when trying to go out. What is it you disagree about?
It wasn't me, but maybe the idea that you are trapped in your apartment because someone sits on the landing (whether or not he wears a mask while doing so). Hasn't it been proven that brief exposure of that sort (and no way of knowing if he's actually a Covid + person) isn't a risk, that it's more of a risk for longer exposure? So you could go down the stairs (with your mask on) without pausing near the guy and therefore get out of your apartment as needed.
Haha nope, that's not it because someone disagreed with your post too.
I think people just like the attention that being disagreeable brings. 
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Well I’m 70 years old and my husband has copd and aesthema. Why can’t this man just wear a mask and slowly walk up to his apartment instead of blocking us? of all people in the building he is most likely to bring Covid 19 disease in as he rides in an ambulance 6 times a week and spends 3 or more hours in hospitals a week. Are others concerned about their unventilated hallways and stairs in apartment buildings?
Why can't you politely ask this person to move? Would most likely be more productive in solving the problem than hand wringing on a forum.
Good luck.5 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »@baconslave I'm from the last vestige of the wild, wild west. I don't say because we don't want any more company. If your phone is not ringing it's me. I'm not a hand wringer by nature.
You might appreciate this from a neighbor.
Just a word of caution.
"Before you come to our area to visit you must be aware of what is happening here.
We're doing OK here right now with COVID cases. We watch in horror as the rest of the country spikes and wonder how long before it makes its way here.
So if you plan on vacationing at our mountains, rivers, lakes or on our prairies this summer, I think you should know that red ants and bedbugs have infested hotels and motels across the area due to a wetter than usual spring. Mountain lions have eaten all domesticated animals and some smaller people. The poison ivy has overtaken all other vegetation. We have had bear sightings at every park and town. Watch out for the jackalopes, they have been extremely aggressive this season.
We have Bigfoots INVADING OUR PARKS and Porcupines "stabbing" small children should they dare to enter the forest. Skunks have made their way over and multiplied at unprecedented rates and wander the local campgrounds in packs. Murder hornets!?! We’ve got great black clouds of murder hornets, and swarms of Mormon crickets and grasshoppers. Scorpions have been congregating in massive quantities under rocks and logs. I’m pretty sure all private tiger owners have released their cats into the streets of our cities and towns. Head lice now fly... right beside the bats."
So stay where you are, in your own province, state or county where it's safe!
Seriously, PLEASE DO NOT COME HERE... ✋🏼 🤗
Truth is stranger than fiction. Over the 4th, a mountain lion came in and ran off with a dog one day and a cat the next.
Maybe you should do travel brochures for your area?? It sounds exciting. 5 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »I'm getting more and more frustrated at the number of people not wearing masks. They have been mandatory in Pennsylvania for months. Thanks to rising Covid numbers, the state has recently added restrictions that are likely to bankrupt a lot of businesses (25% maximum capacity for restaurants, no bars can sell liquor unless they serve meals, etc.). Despite the rising numbers, about half the people at Lowes weren't wearing masks, and about 1/4 of the people at the 'good' grocery store. At Sheetz (a minimart/gas station) probably 3/4 had no masks. All the stores had signs out front saying they were required. Nobody was enforcing the rule. I wanted to say something, but didn't want to deal with possible violent confrontations, so kept my mouth shut. There were a lot of folks over 70 who were maskless.Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »Wow, I find this shocking. Where I am everyone has always worn masks in stores. I've never been to a grocery store or any store for that matter where 100% of the people weren't wearing masks since before May.
@Noreenmarie1234 where are you located? I'm in Massachusetts and have seen excellent mask compliance since before the state-wide mandate went into effect May 6.0 -
We are trapped in our apartment by an old man who goes for dialysis three times a week. Poor soul, he can't make it up the stair well in one go and is desperate for air by the time he reaches our landing so he sits on the window pane there until he catches his breath, meanwhile breathing heavily and in gasps. This has been the situation for over a year. We tried to keep a record of when he was scheduled to be picked up by the health department but it seems irregular. Which means he's there maybe 5 days a week talking on the phone, as he seems to like to sit there if they are late picking him up, or they have rescheduled him for another day. In our Department ( County? ) almost all new and recent clusters have come from hospitals, health centers or elderly homes. Unfortunately this man doesn't like to wear the masks. The hospital gave him one during the early shut down but I havn't seen him wear one on the way back from his dialysis often. Usually he takes it off as soon as he gets in the door. The stair well in our building makes it impossible to social distance. There would only be at most two feet distance or if two people pass on the stairs, impossible without touching.
My husband has written to our landlord asking himto notify the building committee that everyone should wear masks in the public areas of the building. Masks will be obligatory beginning August 1 all over France. I hope it helps. We can't even get time to take out our garbage as it is!
I didn't disagree with this but I imagine people are disagreeing with you being "trapped." I agree that this situation is inconvenient, but how long does it actually take? Even if two hours per day, 3-5 days a week, there are many other hours in the day.6 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Well I’m 70 years old and my husband has copd and aesthema. Why can’t this man just wear a mask and slowly walk up to his apartment instead of blocking us? of all people in the building he is most likely to bring Covid 19 disease in as he rides in an ambulance 6 times a week and spends 3 or more hours in hospitals a week. Are others concerned about their unventilated hallways and stairs in apartment buildings?
Why can't you politely ask this person to move? Would most likely be more productive in solving the problem than hand wringing on a forum.
Good luck.
My guess is, and of course I don't know, but you may have not ever been a foreigner in a foreign land. Probably you may not be aquainted with actual french people, their social culture and how to get along with your french neighbors? Maybe you have never had to come up against being a foreigner in a country where your language skills will never be perfect enough to engage in an argument, or tell an elderly, ill man to get up and get going? If you have, then give me some tips, I'd like to hear them. But remember I did say I contacted my land lord and as of today it is a law here in my Departmental Area of France ( wuth a fine of 139 euros for non complance ) that everyone is supposed to be masked in small public areas where social distance is impossible. Possibly then, this will be solved by the Building Commitee so that I as a foreigner who is just renting do not have to confront an elderly ill man who owns his own apartment. Yet.9 -
kshama2001 wrote: »We are trapped in our apartment by an old man who goes for dialysis three times a week. Poor soul, he can't make it up the stair well in one go and is desperate for air by the time he reaches our landing so he sits on the window pane there until he catches his breath, meanwhile breathing heavily and in gasps. This has been the situation for over a year. We tried to keep a record of when he was scheduled to be picked up by the health department but it seems irregular. Which means he's there maybe 5 days a week talking on the phone, as he seems to like to sit there if they are late picking him up, or they have rescheduled him for another day. In our Department ( County? ) almost all new and recent clusters have come from hospitals, health centers or elderly homes. Unfortunately this man doesn't like to wear the masks. The hospital gave him one during the early shut down but I havn't seen him wear one on the way back from his dialysis often. Usually he takes it off as soon as he gets in the door. The stair well in our building makes it impossible to social distance. There would only be at most two feet distance or if two people pass on the stairs, impossible without touching.
My husband has written to our landlord asking himto notify the building committee that everyone should wear masks in the public areas of the building. Masks will be obligatory beginning August 1 all over France. I hope it helps. We can't even get time to take out our garbage as it is!
I didn't disagree with this but I imagine people are disagreeing with you being "trapped." I agree that this situation is inconvenient, but how long does it actually take? Even if two hours per day, 3-5 days a week, there are many other hours in the day.
I agree using the word "trapped" made me sound like a drama queen, which I ordinarily am not, far from it. We do feel it is important to stay at home and only go out for essential things so that others who have to get out to work can do so safely and with the space for social distancing.
By the way we have isolated since February, do shopping online and have it delivered. We feel it is good for everyone to stay at home unless its really a necessity to be out.
Right now our area is inderging a very rapid rate of a re-infection surge after months of very few cases.
I admit ito having a feeling, a little bit like entrapment, even if it does sound over dramatic.
The influx of tourists is baffeling because there has been nothing much like beach weather. Mostly clouds and showers most days, temperatures are just reaching 70F this last week! I suggest most tourists ar not that happy with their holiday choices this summer here. Especially with the latest rising case numbers.
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We never know when he will actually be going out and many times he does not go out, just sits on the stair well talking on the phone.0
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