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What are your thoughts on Keto?
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If you find a food eating plan that works for you long term, and you are happy with it. Then hooray, all is good. And what works for you, there are others that will say yes, me too. And lots of others that will say nope not for me.
Me, I do low carb, which is kind of close to Keto but is not Keto. My big difference from Keto, is that I really absolutely am not interested in a food program where Fats are anywhere near 50%. But with going low carb for me, and staying away from white, and whole wheat flour, all rice, sugar brown or white, ok most sugars. Instead I have learned about almond and coconut flour, and many alternate sweeteners. I can control my blood sugars into where I need them to be. And yes, I am losing weight steadily, and learning constantly on this journey. My type 2 diabetes was my driver, my Dr is cheering me on, for following a sensible low carb plan. Which I totally still log everything, weigh everything, and still aim for a calorie number. Because in order to successfully lose weight it still comes down to CICO.6 -
There have been studies that show Keto can boost mental alertness, increase energy, and assist in burning excess body fat. That being said, any caloric deficit diet will result in weight loss. I do think if you are serious about weight loss, and want to be hardcore about it, Keto is the way to go. I can speak from experience. I tried to do a Keto bulk, I weighed 165lbs and wanted to get to 175lbs. I took in my weight in grams of protein and stuck with 70%fat, 25%protein, 5%carbs. I was taking in between 2,800 and 3,100 calories a day on Keto... 4 weeks in I had lost 6.5 lbs and gained muscle mass, somehow my shirts were fitting tighter, but my fat and weight was decreasing... I’m still going strong on Keto, I’ll see what happens in another couple weeks. But it’s definitely an effective fat loss diet.5
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While 5 years ago I did accidentally lose 50 pounds (unplanned) and have kept it off for these 5 years I do Keto for health gains with pain management being my really only goal. The only thing I have been doing differently since Oct 2014 is I do not eat or drink food that has any added sweeteners and or any form of any grain. At the age of 69 simple is better I find. I do try to weight each morning twice to help insure I am drinking enough water. Now that COVID-19 is to show up here about middle April I am thankful KETO has been working well enough so I am Rx Med free at this time and have good pain management plus I stopped falling all of the time within weeks after my Oct 2014 WOE (Way Of Eating) change.
https://theguardian.com/science/2020/mar/06/low-carb-diet-may-reverse-age-related-brain-deterioration-study-finds2 -
I could never do keto, i've been eating high carbs my whole life. In fact when I was in my best shape at 5'9 168lbs I was eating 500g of carbs a day, no joke. But I understand keto might be great for certain people.1
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trentontamura wrote: »There have been studies that show Keto can boost mental alertness, increase energy, and assist in burning excess body fat. That being said, any caloric deficit diet will result in weight loss. I do think if you are serious about weight loss, and want to be hardcore about it, Keto is the way to go. I can speak from experience. I tried to do a Keto bulk, I weighed 165lbs and wanted to get to 175lbs. I took in my weight in grams of protein and stuck with 70%fat, 25%protein, 5%carbs. I was taking in between 2,800 and 3,100 calories a day on Keto... 4 weeks in I had lost 6.5 lbs and gained muscle mass, somehow my shirts were fitting tighter, but my fat and weight was decreasing... I’m still going strong on Keto, I’ll see what happens in another couple weeks. But it’s definitely an effective fat loss diet.
Well, I was serious about weight loss and have been serious enough about maintenance to maintain for 6 years.
You can most certainly be serious and 'hard core' about weight loss without doing Keto.
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Curious what exactly do people mean when they say it has “reduced inflammation”?4
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On a personal level it's utterly unappealing.
How about you OP? What are your views and experiences?
The nutritionist also recommend eliminating many other foods (elimination diet) from my diet like dairy, nightshades, gluten, processed foods, hydrogenated oils, so I ate a lot of whole, clean foods.
FOOD FOR THOUGHT
You would never really know how it will truly affect your body until you actually give it a try!
Food for thought could also be that maybe it was something in the foods you eliminated or added that improved your digestive problems rather than keto. With multiple dietary changes there's every chance some of those changes were beneficial and some had no impact whatsoever.
But as it works for you and you appear to enjoy it then I wouldn't suggest experimenting.
Just as I won't be experimenting as my high carb diet works very well for me and keeps me in good health.
The old saying..... "If it ain't broke - don't fix it."7 -
I'm 69 years old and had fought weight gain since I hit menopause when I was 52. Normal weight was 105 and almost over night it ballooned up to 149 which was horrifying for me. I'd never weighed that much in my life. So for years I struggled trying to get the weight off. Increase exercise, reduce intake of calories. Tried the 7 day soup diet, you name it, I tried it and finally, two years ago I gave up and resigned myself to being over weight. Stuck at 135 pounds. My doctor didn't seem concerned about my lab tests even though I was what you might say pre-hypertensive. Blood pressure was a consistent 136/85. It bothered me though but refused to take medications for it. I would somehow fix this.
Fast forward to today....my partner of five years has Parkinson's Disease and through reseach saw mention that a ketogenic diet could help people with Alzheimers. I thought why not try and see if keto will help and he agreed. To make things easier I told him I would do it with him not really expecting anything to happen for me. Much to my surprise I began to feel changes. My thinking became clearer, focus became amazing, the brain fog had lifted! Same for my beloved partner as well. We both had much more energy and just felt totally better. My arthritis eased off, no more back pain! And amazingly, the scales began to show that I was losing weight. Now today, I am a very happy 108 pounds, full of energy, and loving life. Blood pressure is normal, 107/60. Cholesterol numbers are excellent. My doctor is very pleased and told me to keto on. My partner enjoyed the benefits of clearer thinking and much more energy as well. Sadly, he went back too eating processed foods...namely junk loaded with unhealty fats, sugars and refined carbs. I won't go on about this as this isn't the main thought of this writing.
Anyway, the ketogenic way of eating has made a huge difference for me. I have my life back and I'm loving it! The main thing it has done to help me in this journey is to educate me about what is healthy and what is not. Processed foods for the most part are not good for you. They are loaded with unhealthy fats, carbs and sugars. Not to mention ingredients we cannot pronounce. I've learned to REALLY read labels and understand what they're telling me. So keto has been a real learning curve.
I would like to say that any way of eating that works for you is the one you should do. We are all different and one size does not fit all. One last thing....I've read that some of you get upset or annoyed when you hear someone going on and on about keto. Well, I was one of those people and here's why. When you've battled with your health, obesity, poor self image for years and you find something that works, you become very excited and want to tell everyone. You want everyone to be as happy and healthy as you are. So please be patient and kind with them.
Thank you for reading this. I hope you have a beautiful day.16 -
karenleigh - people getting excited about something that works for them and then want everyone to be 'as happy and healthy as them' are really really annoying
That isnt something unique about keto - same would be if their new and exciting thing were a religion, a product, anything really. Zealous new converts to anything.
I, for example, found calorie counting and MFP logging to be something that worked and that was exciting for me.
However I did not think everybody else had to do same as me in order to be healthy and happy nor did I think anyone else wanted to hear me going on and on about it.
In fact, I am sure they did not.
PS" not to mention ingredients we cannot pronounce" - is a sure fire way to lose credibility on MFP.
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I don't know why people pretend like processed foods can't be high fat and eaten by those on keto. Plenty are. Among other things, there's a whole Atkins line of processed products.7
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I don't know why people pretend like processed foods can't be high fat and eaten by those on keto. Plenty are. Among other things, there's a whole Atkins line of processed products.
In general, some of the dichotomous conceptual scales we see here sometimes seem odd to me. There's not some scale with "keto" on one end and "processed" on the opposite, in this case, as you point out. There are many processed keto food products these days, and quite unprocessed foods that are not very keto-friendly at all (dried beans come to mind, or whole grains).
IIRC, I saw some thread recently that set paleo up against processed, which is maybe a little more comprehensible, but marketers' use of the terminology doesn't seem to jibe. Vegan vs. processed is another we sometimes see here, or variations on IIFYM vs. "clean" or "unprocessed".3 -
karenleigh51 wrote: »I'm 69 years old and had fought weight gain since I hit menopause when I was 52. Normal weight was 105 and almost over night it ballooned up to 149 which was horrifying for me. I'd never weighed that much in my life. So for years I struggled trying to get the weight off. Increase exercise, reduce intake of calories. Tried the 7 day soup diet, you name it, I tried it and finally, two years ago I gave up and resigned myself to being over weight. Stuck at 135 pounds. My doctor didn't seem concerned about my lab tests even though I was what you might say pre-hypertensive. Blood pressure was a consistent 136/85. It bothered me though but refused to take medications for it. I would somehow fix this.
Fast forward to today....my partner of five years has Parkinson's Disease and through reseach saw mention that a ketogenic diet could help people with Alzheimers. I thought why not try and see if keto will help and he agreed. To make things easier I told him I would do it with him not really expecting anything to happen for me. Much to my surprise I began to feel changes. My thinking became clearer, focus became amazing, the brain fog had lifted! Same for my beloved partner as well. We both had much more energy and just felt totally better. My arthritis eased off, no more back pain! And amazingly, the scales began to show that I was losing weight. Now today, I am a very happy 108 pounds, full of energy, and loving life. Blood pressure is normal, 107/60. Cholesterol numbers are excellent. My doctor is very pleased and told me to keto on. My partner enjoyed the benefits of clearer thinking and much more energy as well. Sadly, he went back too eating processed foods...namely junk loaded with unhealty fats, sugars and refined carbs. I won't go on about this as this isn't the main thought of this writing.
Anyway, the ketogenic way of eating has made a huge difference for me. I have my life back and I'm loving it! The main thing it has done to help me in this journey is to educate me about what is healthy and what is not. Processed foods for the most part are not good for you. They are loaded with unhealthy fats, carbs and sugars. Not to mention ingredients we cannot pronounce. I've learned to REALLY read labels and understand what they're telling me. So keto has been a real learning curve.
I would like to say that any way of eating that works for you is the one you should do. We are all different and one size does not fit all. One last thing....I've read that some of you get upset or annoyed when you hear someone going on and on about keto. Well, I was one of those people and here's why. When you've battled with your health, obesity, poor self image for years and you find something that works, you become very excited and want to tell everyone. You want everyone to be as happy and healthy as you are. So please be patient and kind with them.
Thank you for reading this. I hope you have a beautiful day.
@karenleigh51 Thanks for sharing your story about your health gains you associate from now eating Keto. I am now 69 but back in October 2014 on a hunch I got off of foods containing any added sweeteners and or any form of grains hoping for pain management due to Ankylosing Spondylitis hoping to avoid health risks from starting Enbrel injections. I just followed my hunch so I was in ketosis before I understood how to do Keto.
It was a hellish two weeks withdrawing from a high carb diet but in 30 days I was to start Enbrel injections for AS pain if could not lower my body inflammation by diet. By the end of the first 30 days my pain was starting drop nicely so I was able to say no to the possible Enbrel injections side effects in my case.
While my family eats carbs I work to keep my just under 50 grams a day. On Keto my diet is more plant based than before so I would never think of eating fewer carbs in my case.
The article on Keto below mentions a mouse study as well as it talks about the human keto Way Of Eating. Now that COVID-19 is expected to arrive locally around 15 April 2020 I am glad I am doing Keto. While Keto is not an antiviral medication if my level of body inflammation is lower due to my WOE that will mean my immune system is hopefully not maxed out when COVID-19 arrives to my body.
https://dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7691559/Study-finds-keto-diet-triggers-release-immune-cells-tame-flu.html
We can not force others to have better health against their will but I have my family trained on how I need to eat should I someday forget about Keto so they know what to feed me.
Best of continued success so you have the health needed down the road.8 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »20-50 grams of carbohydrates per day would be way too restrictive for me. I'm omnivorous, but my diet consists of lots of plants as well, including beans, lentils, oats and other whole grains, starchy root vegetables, etc. I would go insane on keto. Beyond that, I don't find 70+% of my diet coming in the form of dietary fat very appealing either. That's a lot of friggin' fat...
I did, almost literally, go instant on keto. Not fitting my food preferences and being hungry all the time on low volume was one thing, but when it started messing with my brain the experiment had to stop. I became deeply depressed and a danger to myself. That went away as soon as I re-introduced carbs back. My second attempt a couple of years later had to be cut short for the same reason.8 -
On a personal level it's utterly unappealing.
How about you OP? What are your views and experiences?
The nutritionist also recommend eliminating many other foods (elimination diet) from my diet like dairy, nightshades, gluten, processed foods, hydrogenated oils, so I ate a lot of whole, clean foods.
FOOD FOR THOUGHT
You would never really know how it will truly affect your body until you actually give it a try!
Food for thought could also be that maybe it was something in the foods you eliminated or added that improved your digestive problems rather than keto. With multiple dietary changes there's every chance some of those changes were beneficial and some had no impact whatsoever.
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Exactly! I thought keto helped with somethings but I thought the elimination diet helped too (What i mentioned in my original response)I know eliminating dairy and gluten helped with better digestion.
And You do you! I’m not forcing someone to do keto or eliminate foods, it’s just something that helped me and i like to share my story and personal experience with those two types of diets if asked! I love hearing people’s thoughts on this topic!
In general,I like to try new things to gain more knowledge about myself and about the world around me! I love to have a growth mindset instead of a fixed one! (Not saying you don’t but this is my personal outlook for myself and my journey in life). Thank you for sharing your thoughts on it!3 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »20-50 grams of carbohydrates per day would be way too restrictive for me. I'm omnivorous, but my diet consists of lots of plants as well, including beans, lentils, oats and other whole grains, starchy root vegetables, etc. I would go insane on keto. Beyond that, I don't find 70+% of my diet coming in the form of dietary fat very appealing either. That's a lot of friggin' fat...
I did, almost literally, go instant on keto. Not fitting my food preferences and being hungry all the time on low volume was one thing, but when it started messing with my brain the experiment had to stop. I became deeply depressed and a danger to myself. That went away as soon as I re-introduced carbs back. My second attempt a couple of years later had to be cut short for the same reason.
I found breaking my carb addiction messed with my brain as well making for a hellish two weeks to break my carb addition. I agree one should never try breaking any addiction without professional medical help should depression develop.
Over time it seems keto perhaps did shift my gut microbiome in a more balanced direction after the first couple weeks of hellish times but my mental fog started to lift bit by bit when perhaps my brain chemicals got in better balance.
https://nature.com/articles/d41586-019-00483-5
04 FEBRUARY 2019
Links between gut microbes and depression strengthened
The once-wild idea that intestinal bacteria influence mental health has transformed into a major research pursuit.
Keep in mind Keto is NOT for weight loss but for physical and mental health improvements that then may enable healthy weight loss to happen without trying to lose weight.
Moving from mainly glucose for brain food to ketones for brain food can/will cause a shock to the body and mind.
Understanding what keto may do and how it may help improve the human body and mind needs to happen first. Obesity does not stem from not knowing how to count but underlying health factors.
When on a hunch I cold turkey cut out food and drink that contained any type of sweeteners and or any form of any grain in Oct 2014 hoping for pain management about all I knew about Keto was how to spell it. It was a few years later when I came to understand more about ketones and their many different positive side effects.
When I lost 50 pounds accidentally after cutting out all forms of sweeteners and or all forms of grain I knew there was more going on than just ketones.
I do not recommend a high carb or low carb diet because only a n=1 study will answer that question for each one of us.
I do recommend to learn how ketones can impact heart muscle and brain cells. If articles get off on ketones for weight loss move to the next link in your search. You want to learn how ketones for food is different than glucose for food.
Remember Keto is NOT for weigh loss. Any weight loss is just a side effect of eating Keto. Start to understand what is different about burning ketones vs glucose for energy BEFORE you try out ketones for your main source of energy. There is NOTHING magic about ketones and understanding ketones is not rocket science.
Never forget KETO is NOT for weight gain or weight loss because each may happen with a Keto Way Of Eating.
https://nature.com/articles/d41586-019-00483-5
04 FEBRUARY 2019
Links between gut microbes and depression strengthened
The once-wild idea that intestinal bacteria influence mental health has transformed into a major research pursuit.
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I have no idea how anyone could eat that way long term. A whole food group...gone! also..it would require careful management and could be horrendous for cardiovascular health if you live on bacon, butter and cheese. Every health authority says saturated fat is a risk factor for CVD. Plus, a life without bread...what a nightmare.2
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I'm not full-on keto, but I'm pregnant and have developed gestational diabetes and despite following all the advice (in the UK at least) saying to continue eating carbs in combination with fat and protein to the letter, my blood glucose was completely uncontrollable. I am now eating low(ish) carb (<100g/day) rather than keto, and have found this is the only way to keep my blood glucose under control. It's definitely easier when you have the motivation of HAVING to do it for the health of very-much-wanted baby, but I can image eating (mostly) this way long term, with the occasional slice of fresh bread snuck in
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@GaleHawkins there is no such thing as "carb addiction", and I find it kind of insulting to anyone that has ever battled an addiction to imply there is. Keto is limiting but not completely eliminating all carbs. If a person were truly addicted, then breaking that addiction would require abstinence. An alcoholic wouldn't limit their alcohol intake to two beers a day, because that's not how addiction(or more specifically, breaking an addiction) works. Carbs can be tasty, and some people overeat them, but there absolutely needs to be a distinction between lack of willpower and addiction.16
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@GaleHawkins there is no such thing as "carb addiction", and I find it kind of insulting to anyone that has ever battled an addiction to imply there is. Keto is limiting but not completely eliminating all carbs. If a person were truly addicted, then breaking that addiction would require abstinence. An alcoholic wouldn't limit their alcohol intake to two beers a day, because that's not how addiction(or more specifically, breaking an addiction) works. Carbs can be tasty, and some people overeat them, but there absolutely needs to be a distinction between lack of willpower and addiction.
Consider the source. SSDD.6 -
@GaleHawkins there is no such thing as "carb addiction", and I find it kind of insulting to anyone that has ever battled an addiction to imply there is. Keto is limiting but not completely eliminating all carbs. If a person were truly addicted, then breaking that addiction would require abstinence. An alcoholic wouldn't limit their alcohol intake to two beers a day, because that's not how addiction(or more specifically, breaking an addiction) works. Carbs can be tasty, and some people overeat them, but there absolutely needs to be a distinction between lack of willpower and addiction.
Thanks for this. I've lost 2 siblings now to addiction. There's no comparison.13 -
@GaleHawkins there is no such thing as "carb addiction", and I find it kind of insulting to anyone that has ever battled an addiction to imply there is. Keto is limiting but not completely eliminating all carbs. If a person were truly addicted, then breaking that addiction would require abstinence. An alcoholic wouldn't limit their alcohol intake to two beers a day, because that's not how addiction(or more specifically, breaking an addiction) works. Carbs can be tasty, and some people overeat them, but there absolutely needs to be a distinction between lack of willpower and addiction.
Willpower is not a medical term but addiction is. It was when a guy with AA was teaching on the subject of Denial that I realized I was addicted to carbs. After I understood my carb addiction would go away if I would eat under 50 grams of carbs per day I was able to make it through the withdrawal realizing it was not going to last forever.
I expect you do not see yourself as an enabler but when you tell someone in a Keto thread trying to regain control of some aspect of their life that carb addition is not real you become one.
I was slowly dying in front of our teenage kids because of my carb addition. They saw how I went from being meaner than a junkyard dog to working on becoming a father that was understanding and that could get in an out of the car without their help.
Carb addiction is not preached against like smoking addiction perhaps but it is never the less it is an addiction like smoking, drinking, etc.
The number one reason people fail at Keto is our carb addiction. Keto is not for weigh loss but to help resolve the health issues.
I beg you to stop making medical statements about carb addiction or any other addiction that is not factual.
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I think it can be awesome once you get past the whole keto fat adapting phase whic sucks tbh.2
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GaleHawkins wrote: »@GaleHawkins there is no such thing as "carb addiction", and I find it kind of insulting to anyone that has ever battled an addiction to imply there is. Keto is limiting but not completely eliminating all carbs. If a person were truly addicted, then breaking that addiction would require abstinence. An alcoholic wouldn't limit their alcohol intake to two beers a day, because that's not how addiction(or more specifically, breaking an addiction) works. Carbs can be tasty, and some people overeat them, but there absolutely needs to be a distinction between lack of willpower and addiction.
Willpower is not a medical term but addiction is. It was when a guy with AA was teaching on the subject of Denial that I realized I was addicted to carbs. After I understood my carb addiction would go away if I would eat under 50 grams of carbs per day I was able to make it through the withdrawal realizing it was not going to last forever.
I expect you do not see yourself as an enabler but when you tell someone in a Keto thread trying to regain control of some aspect of their life that carb addition is not real you become one.
I was slowly dying in front of our teenage kids because of my carb addition. They saw how I went from being meaner than a junkyard dog to working on becoming a father that was understanding and that could get in an out of the car without their help.
Carb addiction is not preached against like smoking addiction perhaps but it is never the less it is an addiction like smoking, drinking, etc.
The number one reason people fail at Keto is our carb addiction. Keto is not for weigh loss but to help resolve the health issues.
I beg you to stop making medical statements about carb addiction or any other addiction that is not factual.
Ironic post is ironic. Your next post might be your first factual one.14 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »The number one reason people fail at Keto is our carb addiction.
The number one reason people fail at Keto is because generally speaking Keto is too extreme...
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amorfati601070 wrote: »I have no idea how anyone could eat that way long term. A whole food group...gone! also..it would require careful management and could be horrendous for cardiovascular health if you live on bacon, butter and cheese. Every health authority says saturated fat is a risk factor for CVD. Plus, a life without bread...what a nightmare.
This is exactly how I feel. I'm all for reducing the white flour & white pasta and making better carb choices but to give them up completely? Nope, not for me. I like bread, pasta, beans & legumes too much, not to mention fruit.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »The number one reason people fail at Keto is our carb addiction.
The number one reason people fail at Keto is because generally speaking Keto is too extreme...
yes same reason most over restrictive diets fail.
They work for people who must follow them for medical reasons (that goes for restrictions of diabetes,coleiac disease ,PKU etc - not keto in particular) because the benifits outweigh the disadvantages of restriction.
But for most other people ,they do not.
But, no, people are not addicted to carbs - what silly misused hyperbole - and I agree with posters saying such misuse, as well as being misleading, is insulting to people struggling with real addictions.
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I've eaten keto for years. I just plain feel better. I have been on so many diets over the years...shakes, points, cards, injections, and just plain CICO. None of them resonated with me the way keto does. I never have nightmares about not eating bread; I do have nightmares about being forced to eat meat...I never eat swine (or most other meats), I rarely have butter and I rarely have grains. I never feel deprived of a food group. To suggest that people who eat keto by choice or by culture, are deprived is non-sensical. Do you truly believe that vegetarians or people who do not eat pork based on their faith are depriving themselves?! Bah!
If keto works for you, do it. If it doesn't find something else. I'd also like to add that diets don't fail--people do.6 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »The number one reason people fail at Keto is our carb addiction.
The number one reason people fail at Keto is because generally speaking Keto is too extreme...
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From the National Library of Medicines, in conjunction with the National Center for Biotechnology Information and the National Institutes of Health:
Food Addiction, High Glycemic Index Carbohydrates and Obesity
After reviewing the pertinent literature on food addiction with a specific focus on the role of high glycemic index carbohydrates in triggering addictive symptoms. Three lines of evidence support the concept of food addiction: (1) behavioral responses to certain foods are similar compared to substances of abuse; (2) food intake regulation and addiction rely on similar neurobiological circuits; (3) individuals suffering from obesity or addiction show similar neurochemical- and brain activation patterns.
High glycemic index carbohydrates elicit a rapid shift in blood glucose and insulin levels, akin to the pharmacokinetics of addictive substances. Akin to drugs of abuse, glucose and insulin signals in the mesolimbic system to modify dopamine concentration. Sugar elicits addiction-like craving and self-reported problem foods are rich in high glycemic index carbohydrates. These properties make high glycemic index carbohydrates plausible triggers for food addiction.
Summary
Food addiction is a plausible etiological factor contributing to the heterogeneous condition and phenotype of obesity. In at least a subset of vulnerable individuals, high glycemic index carbohydrates trigger addiction-like neurochemical and behavioral responses.
Do you honestly believe companies are just spending R&D money to create cravings based on a lack of willpower, over addiction?
Keto is a lifestyle choice. It is not a science, per se, but for severe diabetics, doctors have been subscribing a Keto diet to patience since somewhere around 1915. That's the earliest prescription found on how to achieve eating and getting into Ketosis that I have found, thus far.
Truthfully, most would say studies really looking into carbohydrate addiction didn't come about until after 2011.
Keto is a way for obese people, diabetics, and others to learn what is in their food and how to manage that food.
There is Keto, Dirty Keto, Low Carb, and other variants. Most diets have had some form or another and have been around for a long time. Long enough to have studies, science, and some depth of understanding.
Telling an obese person they simply lack willpower and self control instead of saying you will help them with their addiction, would be shattering for most. In fact, most obese people stay obese. So the line of thought that there is no addiction and only a lack of willpower would be psychological torture, in many cases.
Comparing a carbo or food addiction to alcohol may be actually more relatable than you think. If you think all alcoholics can't function with any amount of alcohol, and thus, they can't limit their intake to a few beers a day, then you clearly do not understand a true alcoholic. If you knew what an alcoholic is, then you would know that some may only binge once a year and get so plastered drunk, they black out. But it doesn't matter that it is only that one time a year, and that they drink all year long, that one time still classifies them as an alcoholic. So to say your analogy just tells me you haven't walked that path and have no understanding about alcoholism and behavioral effects. Sorry, but I feel you are completely wrong.
And so, a person can, especially with the way corporations are creating our processed foods, can be addicted. Do you believe low fat foods are healthy? Or do you understand low fat simply means they take the fat out and then add things they believe will make you want more of their food.
The Keto person will understand that low fat flavored yogurts, as an example, are not healthy but that a simple yogurt is, and then they can flavor that themselves. How do they know? They read the labels. Plain yogurt is one ingredient. Not things you can't pronounce. Why does coke have have sodium? Doesn't need it. Doesn't improve the taste. But it does make one thirsty. Thus, to make sure you don't taste the salt, they add more sugar. There once was a product, like Coke, (Royal Crown) that didn't add the salt and had a lot less sugar. Coke moved them out.
When Coke products started to decline as people were downsizing or talk of taxes were increasingly possible on all fountain soda sugar drinks, energy drinks were becoming the rage. Coke bought them next. They own Monster and several others. Truthfully, there are only 10 companies that make all our processed foods. Ten. And if you think they are not spending millions to get people addicted - and that there is a whole mass of folks walking around that are simply lacking willpower, then you're just putting people down to elevate yourself. Please, know that alcoholics aren't people who can't drink. Ever. Many many are fully functional and yet because they lose control at some point, whether binging on weekends, holidays, or that once a year Bday, they are able to conceal their addictions and consume in moderation for most the time. Most.6 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »The number one reason people fail at Keto is our carb addiction.
The number one reason people fail at Keto is because generally speaking Keto is too extreme...
Since I can eat what I want on Keto why do you call it extreme?
Sometimes I want an apple.
Sometimes I even want an apple and some black beans.
So I don't think one can "eat what one wants" on keto more than any other diet.
Nor do I think "people fail at keto due to carb addiction" makes any sense. But sure, maybe I am addicted to apples, black beans, and even avocados (which have carbs).
But then why is it easy for me to cut back while eating plenty of carbs?8
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