Who Eats Processed And Still Gets Good Results

whierd

Meat is best slow roasted or poached (cooked in liquid) instead of grilling. Grilled meat is carcinogenic.

I don't get it. How is grilling meat more carcinogenic than slow roasting it in a gas oven?

I believe because the charred bits are carcinogenic. It was the only true part of what she posted.

Yeah, but those charred bits can happen either in an oven or a grill.

No doubt. But it has less of a chance of burning when slow roasting or cooking in a liquid.

I am not agreeing with her, just saying that what she said is factually correct.

Slow roasting forms carcinogenic compounds too.

The safest cooking process is steaming, since your food cannot get above 212F, which drastically reduces the formation of carcinogens.

I will look into the part about slow roasting.

What, you're going to roast some pork and stuff some of it into a GCMS?

Oh no wait, you're going to Google it.

Yes, that is exactly what I plan on doing. Problem?

italian_bella_xo

<---- not every day but i do enjoy it from time to time! nom nom nom

Achrya

I don't eat processed meats because of the chemicals. There are healthy versions of all meat out there--what is wrong with choosing healthy instead of unhealthy?? It is one of the reasons why you are here.

You have no idea why I'm here, actually.

UsedToBeHusky

All of the following is known or suspected to be a carcinogen:

Known human carcinogens

International Agency for Research on Cancer
Group 1: Carcinogenic to humans
• Acetaldehyde (from consuming alcoholic beverages)
• Acid mists, strong inorganic
• Aflatoxins
• Alcoholic beverages
• Aluminum production
• 4-Aminobiphenyl
• Areca nut
• Aristolochic acid (and plants containing it)
• Arsenic and inorganic arsenic compounds
• Asbestos (all forms) and mineral substances (such as talc or vermiculite) that contain asbestos
• Auramine production
• Azathioprine
• Benzene
• Benzidine and dyes metabolized to benzidine
• Benzo[a]pyrene
• Beryllium and beryllium compounds
• Betel quid, with or without tobacco
• Bis(chloromethyl)ether and chloromethyl methyl ether (technical-grade)
• Busulfan
• 1,3-Butadiene
• Cadmium and cadmium compounds
• Chlorambucil
• Chlornaphazine
• Chromium (VI) compounds
• Clonorchis sinensis (infection with)
• Coal, indoor emissions from household combustion
• Coal gasification
• Coal-tar distillation
• Coal-tar pitch
• Coke production
• Cyclophosphamide
• Cyclosporine
• Diethylstilbestrol
• Engine exhaust, diesel
• Epstein-Barr virus (infection with)
• Erionite
• Estrogen postmenopausal therapy
• Estrogen-progestogen postmenopausal therapy (combined)
• Estrogen-progestogen oral contraceptives (combined) (Note: There is also convincing evidence in humans that these agents confer a protective effect against cancer in the endometrium and ovary)
• Ethanol in alcoholic beverages
• Ethylene oxide
• Etoposide
• Etoposide in combination with cisplatin and bleomycin
• Fission products, including strontium-90
• Formaldehyde
• Haematite mining (underground)
• Helicobacter pylori (infection with)
• Hepatitis B virus (chronic infection with)
• Hepatitis C virus (chronic infection with)
• Human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1) (infection with)
• Human papilloma virus (HPV) types 16, 18, 31, 33, 35, 39, 45, 51, 52, 56, 58, 59 (infection with) (Note: The HPV types that have been classified as carcinogenic to humans can differ by an order of magnitude in risk for cervical cancer)
• Human T-cell lymphotropic virus type I (HTLV-1) (infection with)
• Ionizing radiation (all types)
• Iron and steel founding (workplace exposure)
• Isopropyl alcohol manufacture using strong acids
• Kaposi sarcoma herpesvirus (KSHV)/human herpesvirus 8 (HHV-8) (infection with)
• Leather dust
• Magenta production
• Melphalan
• Methoxsalen (8-methoxypsoralen) plus ultraviolet A radiation
• 4,4'-Methylenebis(chloroaniline) (MOCA)
• Mineral oils, untreated or mildly treated
• MOPP and other combined chemotherapy including alkylating agents
• 2-Naphthylamine
• Neutron radiation
• Nickel compounds
• N'-Nitrosonornicotine (NNN) and 4-(N-Nitrosomethylamino)-1-(3-pyridyl)-1-butanone (NNK)
• Opisthorchis viverrini (liver fluke; infection with)
• Painter (workplace exposure as a)
• 3,4,5,3',4'-Pentachlorobiphenyl (PCB-126)
• 2,3,4,7,8-Pentachlorodibenzofuran
• Phenacetin (and mixtures containing it)
• Phosphorus-32, as phosphate
• Plutonium
• Radioiodines, including iodine-131
• Radionuclides, alpha-particle-emitting, internally deposited (Note: Specific radionuclides for which there is sufficient evidence for carcinogenicity to humans are also listed individually as Group 1 agents)
• Radionuclides, beta-particle-emitting, internally deposited (Note: Specific radionuclides for which there is sufficient evidence for carcinogenicity to humans are also listed individually as Group 1 agents)
• Radium-224 and its decay products
• Radium-226 and its decay products
• Radium-228 and its decay products
• Radon-222 and its decay products
• Rubber manufacturing industry
• Salted fish (Chinese-style)
• Schistosoma haematobium (flatworm; infection with)
• Semustine (methyl-CCNU)
• Shale oils
• Silica dust, crystalline, in the form of quartz or cristobalite
• Solar radiation
• Soot (as found in workplace exposure of chimney sweeps)
• Sulfur mustard
• Tamoxifen (Note: There is also conclusive evidence that tamoxifen reduces the risk of contralateral breast cancer in breast cancer patients and lowers the risk of breast cancer in women at increased risk)
• 2,3,7,8-Tetrachlorodibenzo-para-dioxin
• Thiotepa
• Thorium-232 and its decay products
• Tobacco, smokeless
• Tobacco smoke, secondhand
• Tobacco smoking
• ortho-Toluidine
• Treosulfan
• Ultraviolet (UV) radiation, including UVA, UVB, and UVC rays
• Ultraviolet-emitting tanning devices
• Vinyl chloride
• Wood dust
• X- and Gamma-radiation

National Toxicology Program 12th Report on Carcinogens
"Known to be human carcinogens"
• Aflatoxins
• Alcoholic beverage consumption
• 4-Aminobiphenyl
• Analgesic mixtures containing phenacetin
• Aristolochic acids
• Arsenic compounds, inorganic
• Asbestos
• Azathioprine
• Benzene
• Benzidine
• Beryllium and beryllium compounds
• 1,3-Butadiene
• 1,4-Butanediol dimethylsulfonate (busulfan, Myleran®)
• Cadmium and cadmium compounds
• Chlorambucil
• 1-(2-Chloroethyl)-3-(4-methylcyclohexyl)-1-nitrosourea (MeCCNU)
• bis(chloromethyl) ether and technical-grade chloromethyl methyl ether
• Chromium hexavalent compounds
• Coal tar pitches
• Coal tars
• Coke oven emissions
• Cyclophosphamide
• Cyclosporin A
• Diethylstilbestrol (DES)
• Dyes metabolized to benzidine
• Environmental tobacco smoke
• Erionite
• Estrogens, steroidal
• Ethylene oxide
• Formaldehyde
• Hepatitis B virus
• Hepatitis C virus
• Human papilloma viruses: some genital-mucosal types
• Melphalan
• Methoxsalen with ultraviolet A therapy (PUVA)
• Mineral oils (untreated and mildly treated)
• Mustard gas
• 2-Naphthylamine
• Neutrons
• Nickel compounds
• Oral tobacco products
• Radon
• Silica, crystalline (respirable size)
• Solar radiation
• Soots
• Strong inorganic acid mists containing sulfuric acid
• Sunlamps or sunbeds, exposure to
• Tamoxifen
• 2,3,7,8-Tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin (TCDD); "dioxin"
• Thiotepa
• Thorium dioxide
• Tobacco smoking
• Vinyl chloride
• Ultraviolet radiation, broad spectrum UV radiation
• Wood dust
• X-radiation and gamma radiation

Probable carcinogens

International Agency for Research on Cancer
Group 2A: Probably carcinogenic to humans
• Acrylamide
• Adriamycin (doxorubicin)
• Androgenic (anabolic) steroids
• Art glass, glass containers, and press ware (manufacture of)
• Azacitidine
• Biomass fuel (primarily wood), emissions from household combustion
• Bischloroethyl nitrosourea (BCNU)
• Captafol
• Carbon electrode manufacture
• Chloramphenicol
• alpha-Chlorinated toluenes (benzal chloride, benzotrichloride, benzyl chloride) and benzoyl chloride (combined exposures)
• 1-(2-Chloroethyl)-3-cyclohexyl-1-nitrosourea (CCNU)
• 4-Chloro-ortho-toluidine
• Chlorozotocin
• Cisplatin
• Cobalt metal with tungsten carbide
• Creosotes
• Cyclopenta[cd]pyrene
• Dibenz[a,h]anthracene
• Dibenzo[a,l]pyrene
• Diethyl sulfate
• Dimethylcarbamoyl chloride
• 1,2-Dimethylhydrazine
• Dimethyl sulfate
• Epichlorohydrin
• Ethyl carbamate (urethane)
• Ethylene dibromide
• N-Ethyl-N-nitrosourea
• Frying, emissions from high-temperature
• Glycidol
• Hairdresser or barber (workplace exposure as)
• Human papillomavirus (HPV) type 68 (infection with)
• Indium phosphide
• IQ (2-Amino-3-methylimidazo[4,5-f]quinoline)
• Lead compounds, inorganic
• Mate, hot
• 5-Methoxypsoralen
• Methyl methanesulfonate
• N-Methyl-N´-nitro-N-nitrosoguanidine (MNNG)
• N-Methyl-N-nitrosourea
• Nitrate or nitrite (ingested) under conditions that result in endogenous nitrosation
• Nitrogen mustard
• N-Nitrosodiethylamine
• N-Nitrosodimethylamine
• 2-Nitrotoluene
• Non-arsenical insecticides (workplace exposures in spraying and application of)
• Petroleum refining (workplace exposures in)
• Polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs)
• Procarbazine hydrochloride
• Shiftwork that involves circadian disruption
• Styrene-7,8-oxide
• Teniposide
• Tetrachloroethylene (perchloroethylene)
• Trichloroethylene
• 1,2,3-Trichloropropane
• Tris(2,3-dibromopropyl) phosphate
• Vinyl bromide (Note: For practical purposes, vinyl bromide should be considered to act similarly to the human carcinogen vinyl chloride.)
• Vinyl fluoride (Note: For practical purposes, vinyl fluoride should be considered to act similarly to the human carcinogen vinyl chloride.)

National Toxicology Program 12th Report on Carcinogens
"Reasonably anticipated to be human carcinogens"
• Acetaldehyde
• 2-Acetylaminofluorene
• Acrylamide
• Acrylonitrile
• Adriamycin® (doxorubicin hydrochloride)
• 2-Aminoanthraquinone
• o-Aminoazotoluene
• 1-Amino-2,4-dibromoanthraquinone
• 1-Amino-2-methylanthraquinone
• 2-Amino-3,4-dimethylimidazo[4,5-f]quinoline (MeIQ)
• 2-Amino-3,8-dimethylimidazo[4,5-f]quinoxaline (MeIQx)
• 2-Amino-3-methylimidazo[4,5-f]quinoline (IQ)
• 2-Amino-1-methyl-6-phenylimidazo[4,5-b]pyridine (PhIP)
• Amitrole
• o-Anisidine hydrochloride
• Azacitidine (5-Azacytidine®, 5-AzaC)
• Benz[a]anthracene
• Benzofluoranthene
• Benzo[j]fluoranthene
• Benzo[k]fluoranthene
• Benzo[a]pyrene
• Benzotrichloride
• Bromodichloromethane
• 2, 2-bis-(bromoethyl)-1,3-propanediol (technical grade)
• Butylated hydroxyanisole (BHA)
• Captafol
• Carbon tetrachloride
• Ceramic fibers (respirable size)
• Chloramphenicol
• Chlorendic acid
• Chlorinated paraffins (C12, 60% chlorine)
• 1-(2-chloroethyl)-3-cyclohexyl-1-nitrosourea
• Bis(chloroethyl) nitrosourea
• Chloroform
• 3-Chloro-2-methylpropene
• 4-Chloro-o-phenylenediamine
• Chloroprene
• p-Chloro-o-toluidine and p-chloro-o-toluidine hydrochloride
• Chlorozotocin
• C.I. basic red 9 monohydrochloride
• Cisplatin
• Cobalt sulfate
• Cobalt-tungsten carbide: powders and hard metals
• p-Cresidine
• Cupferron
• Dacarbazine
• Danthron (1,8-dihydroxyanthraquinone)
• 2,4-Diaminoanisole sulfate
• 2,4-Diaminotoluene
• Diazoaminobenzene
• Dibenz[a,h]acridine
• Dibenz[a,j]acridine
• Dibenz[a,h]anthracene
• 7H-Dibenzo[c,g]carbazole
• Dibenzo[a,e]pyrene
• Dibenzo[a,h]pyrene
• Dibenzo[a,i]pyrene
• Dibenzo[a,l]pyrene
• 1,2-Dibromo-3-chloropropane
• 1,2-Dibromoethane (ethylene dibromide)
• 2,3-Dibromo-1-propanol
• Tris (2,3-dibromopropyl) phosphate
• 1,4-Dichlorobenzene
• 3,3'-Dichlorobenzidine and 3,3'-dichlorobenzidine dihydrochloride
• Dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane (DDT)
• 1,2-Dichloroethane (ethylene dichloride)
• Dichloromethane (methylene chloride)
• 1,3-Dichloropropene (technical grade)
• Diepoxybutane
• Diesel exhaust particulates
• Diethyl sulfate
• Diglycidyl resorcinol ether
• 3,3'-Dimethoxybenzidine
• 4-Dimethylaminoazobenzene
• 3,3'-Dimethylbenzidine
• Dimethylcarbamoyl chloride
• 1,1-Dimethylhydrazine
• Dimethyl sulfate
• Dimethylvinyl chloride
• 1,6-Dinitropyrene
• 1,8-Dinitropyrene
• 1,4-Dioxane
• Disperse blue 1
• Dyes metabolized to 3,3'-dimethoxybenzidine
• Dyes metabolized to 3,3'-dimethylbenzidine
• Epichlorohydrin
• Ethylene thiourea
• Di(2-ethylhexyl) phthalate
• Ethyl methanesulfonate
• Furan
• Glass wool fibers (inhalable)
• Glycidol
• Hexachlorobenzene
• Hexachlorocyclohexane isomers
• Hexachloroethane
• Hexamethylphosphoramide
• Hydrazine and hydrazine sulfate
• Hydrazobenzene
• Indeno[1,2,3-cd]pyrene
• Iron dextran complex
• Isoprene
• Kepone® (chlordecone)
• Lead and lead compounds
• Lindane and other hexachlorocyclohexane isomers
• 2-Methylaziridine (propylenimine)
• 5-Methylchrysene
• 4,4'-Methylenebis(2-chloroaniline)
• 4-4'-Methylenebis(N,N-dimethyl)benzenamine
• 4,4'-Methylenedianiline and its dihydrochloride salt
• Methyleugenol
• Methyl methanesulfonate
• N-methyl-N'-nitro-N-nitrosoguanidine
• Metronidazole
• Michler's ketone [4,4'-(dimethylamino) benzophenone]
• Mirex
• Naphthalene
• Nickel (metallic)
• Nitrilotriacetic acid
• o-Nitroanisole
• Nitrobenzene
• 6-Nitrochrysene
• Nitrofen (2,4-dichlorophenyl-p-nitrophenyl ether)
• Nitrogen mustard hydrochloride
• Nitromethane
• 2-Nitropropane
• 1-Nitropyrene
• 4-Nitropyrene
• N-nitrosodi-n-butylamine
• N-nitrosodiethanolamine
• N-nitrosodiethylamine
• N-nitrosodimethylamine
• N-nitrosodi-n-propylamine
• N-nitroso-N-ethylurea
• 4-(N-nitrosomethylamino)-1-(3-pyridyl)-1-butanone
• N-nitroso-N-methylurea
• N-nitrosomethylvinylamine
• N-nitrosomorpholine
• N-nitrosonornicotine
• N-nitrosopiperidine
• N-nitrosopyrrolidine
• N-nitrososarcosine
• o-Nitrotoluene
• Norethisterone
• Ochratoxin A
• 4,4'-Oxydianiline
• Oxymetholone
• Phenacetin
• Phenazopyridine hydrochloride
• Phenolphthalein
• Phenoxybenzamine hydrochloride
• Phenytoin
• Polybrominated biphenyls (PBBs)
• Polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs)
• Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs)
• Procarbazine hydrochloride
• Progesterone
• 1,3-Propane sultone
• beta-Propiolactone
• Propylene oxide
• Propylthiouracil
• Reserpine
• Riddelliine
• Safrole
• Selenium sulfide
• Streptozotocin
• Styrene
• Styrene-7,8-oxide
• Sulfallate
• Tetrachloroethylene (perchloroethylene)
• Tetrafluoroethylene
• Tetranitromethane
• Thioacetamide
• 4,4'-Thiodianaline
• Thiourea
• Toluene diisocyanate
• o-Toluidine and o-toluidine hydrochloride
• Toxaphene
• Trichloroethylene
• 2,4,6-Trichlorophenol
• 1,2,3-Trichloropropane
• Ultraviolet A radiation
• Ultraviolet B radiation
• Ultraviolet C radiation
• Urethane
• Vinyl bromide
• 4-Vinyl-1-cyclohexene diepoxide
• Vinyl fluoride

I guarantee I have had exposure to more than one or 50 of these things at some point in my life... I've never had cancer.

Exposure to a carcinogen does not mean you will get cancer. There are lots of factors that impact the likelihood of developing cancer and exposure to a carcinogen is only one of them.

wewon

All of the following is known or suspected to be a carcinogen:


I guarantee I have had exposure to more than one or 50 of these things at some point in my life... I've never had cancer.

Exposure to a carcinogen does not mean you will get cancer.

I think that its fair to say that a matter of degree should be taken into account.

Most wouldn't say that 'beer' belongs in the same category as 'asbestos'.

rsalty

Any people out there who still eat processed sandwich meat and yet STILL enjoy the benefits of lifting heavy and seeing amazing results? Just curious. Thanks

I tried eating unprocessed, but I lost too much weight trying to catch it and keep it between the slices of bread. When I can catch it seems like half the time unprocessed meat eats the bread before I can! Now I generally try to have the meat slaughtered and butchered before I try to make a sandwich with it.

BTW: Unprocessed grains are *way* easier to eat than unprocessed meat. Probably why the grain people can gain more weight, and do so well surviving the winters.

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BarbaraCarr1981

Hmmmm, so i can lose weight eating whatever I want - knew that! Moderation and within calorie goal is the key. BUT shouldn't there be some restictions when trying to lose body fat % and increase LBM??? heavy lifting.....big heavy ol' weights....should be fueling with good wholesome foods right? Maybe no alcohol? Low on the sugar and this includes fruite especially one high on the glycemic index.

Phoenix_Warrior

My brain hurts.

whierd

Hmmmm, so i can lose weight eating whatever I want - knew that! Moderation and within calorie goal is the key. BUT shouldn't there be some restictions when trying to lose body fat % and increase LBM??? heavy lifting.....big heavy ol' weights....should be fueling with good wholesome foods right? Maybe no alcohol? Low on the sugar and this includes fruite especially one high on the glycemic index.

To maximize your LBM retention/gains, you should make sure that you are eating adequate proteins and fats. That is about it.

cwolfman13

I don't eat processed meats because of the chemicals. There are healthy versions of all meat out there--what is wrong with choosing healthy instead of unhealthy?? It is one of the reasons why you are here.

Exactly! Just because you can eat something processed and still lose weight / hit your macros, why do you actually want to when better alternatives exist? Fresh natural / organic meat tastes, looks, and smells so much better than any of that processed crap!

Again,

And....

Bry_Fitness70

You asked

why do you actually want to when better alternatives exist?

And I was just answering your question.

As for my last sentence, it was more said in general frustration by those that like to look down on said processed things (meat from the deli, frozen veggies, etc).

But to add on to that, what makes you think there are those that don't prefer the taste to frozen or processed over fresh? Some people actually do and my last sentence could also be attributed to a rebuttal to your statement:

I did ask a question – why do you actually want to when better alternatives exist?. If you can’t afford it or don’t have the time, that doesn't mean that you don’t WANT to eat it, it means that in your situation, it means that no better alternatives exist, right?

I don't consider it "looking down" on others to ask these questions. A lot of the time (25-30%), I fail to live up to my own dietary standards - work and family situations dictate that I eat things that are convenient at the moment.

ksuh999

Yes, that is exactly what I plan on doing. Problem?

Because it's the world's greatest confirmation bias machine.

It doesn't provide truth. Only information.

cleotherio

Since I opened this thread, all I can think of is this:



I don't know why; it just is.

whierd

Yes, that is exactly what I plan on doing. Problem?

Because it's the world's greatest confirmation bias machine.

It doesn't provide truth. Only information.

Google is a searching tool. With it, I can search for peer reviewed studies regarding cooking methods and carcinogen levels.

ksuh999

Yes, that is exactly what I plan on doing. Problem?

Because it's the world's greatest confirmation bias machine.

It doesn't provide truth. Only information.

Google is a searching tool. With it, I can search for peer reviewed studies regarding cooking methods and carcinogen levels.

I still say you should cook some pork and use a GCMS. It's way more fun.

mag2906

Any people out there who still eat processed sandwich meat and yet STILL enjoy the benefits of lifting heavy and seeing amazing results? Just curious. Thanks

I eat tones of "processed" food (well I do not really consider it processed - if you take tomatoes and make tomato soup does it mean you eat processed (as in unhealthy) meal?):
ham, sausage, bread, butter, cheese, cottage cheese, oatmeal... the list goes on.
I don't see a problem here as long as you do not live entirely on soda and potato chips you should be fine.

PikaKnight

Yes, that is exactly what I plan on doing. Problem?

Because it's the world's greatest confirmation bias machine.

It doesn't provide truth. Only information.

Google is a searching tool. With it, I can search for peer reviewed studies regarding cooking methods and carcinogen levels.

You are actually doing your own research???

BLASPHEMY! :laugh::flowerforyou:

Belinda658

I think you need to stop analyzing everything and just log and give one thing a go for amonth. Seriously . I used to worry about little things but it just makes it more complicated

ksuh999

Yes, that is exactly what I plan on doing. Problem?

Because it's the world's greatest confirmation bias machine.

It doesn't provide truth. Only information.

Google is a searching tool. With it, I can search for peer reviewed studies regarding cooking methods and carcinogen levels.

You are actually doing your own research???

BLASPHEMY! :laugh::flowerforyou:

And all the posters on here that spew derp about "clean eating", "paleo", "low carb", "processed" also did "research".

neandermagnon

Yes, that is exactly what I plan on doing. Problem?

Because it's the world's greatest confirmation bias machine.

It doesn't provide truth. Only information.

Google is a searching tool. With it, I can search for peer reviewed studies regarding cooking methods and carcinogen levels.

and the carcinogen levels in charred meat cooked on an open fire obviously wasn't detrimental enough to our middle palaeolithic ancestor populations to offset the gain in brain size that occurred as a result of cooking meat on an open fire instead of eating it raw, which increased the bioavailability of nutrients in meat. We evolved to eat charred meat cooked on fires, we owe our brain size to it. Barbequed meat probably tastes so good because we're descended from the human populations who liked the taste of fire cooked meat and thus got more nutrition and thus evolved bigger brains. So I'm going to eat my barbequed and grilled meat, especially the charred bits. :drinker:

neandermagnon

Yes, that is exactly what I plan on doing. Problem?

Because it's the world's greatest confirmation bias machine.

It doesn't provide truth. Only information.

Google is a searching tool. With it, I can search for peer reviewed studies regarding cooking methods and carcinogen levels.

You are actually doing your own research???

BLASPHEMY! :laugh::flowerforyou:

And all the posters on here that spew derp about "clean eating", "paleo", "low carb", "processed" also did "research".

I would find it extremely bizarre if palaeo dieters are telling people not to eat grilled meat because of the charred bits. You honestly can't get more paleo than meat cooked on an open fire.....

dunnodunno

I don't lift heavy, but I have lost over 100 pounds by eating processed foods. I don't eat deli meat very often, but I eat ice cream, cookies, frozen meals, etc.

Cindyinpg

Any people out there who still eat processed sandwich meat and yet STILL enjoy the benefits of lifting heavy and seeing amazing results? Just curious. Thanks

I tried eating unprocessed, but I lost too much weight trying to catch it and keep it between the slices of bread. When I can catch it seems like half the time unprocessed meat eats the bread before I can! Now I generally try to have the meat slaughtered and butchered before I try to make a sandwich with it.

BTW: Unprocessed grains are *way* easier to eat than unprocessed meat. Probably why the grain people can gain more weight, and do so well surviving the winters.

ksuh999

I would find it extremely bizarre if palaeo dieters are telling people not to eat grilled meat because of the charred bits. You honestly can't get more paleo than meat cooked on an open fire.....

You're missing the point...

PikaKnight

Any people out there who still eat processed sandwich meat and yet STILL enjoy the benefits of lifting heavy and seeing amazing results? Just curious. Thanks

I tried eating unprocessed, but I lost too much weight trying to catch it and keep it between the slices of bread. When I can catch it seems like half the time unprocessed meat eats the bread before I can! Now I generally try to have the meat slaughtered and butchered before I try to make a sandwich with it.

BTW: Unprocessed grains are *way* easier to eat than unprocessed meat. Probably why the grain people can gain more weight, and do so well surviving the winters.

ksuh999

and the carcinogen levels in charred meat cooked on an open fire obviously wasn't detrimental enough to our middle palaeolithic ancestor populations to offset the gain in brain size that occurred as a result of cooking meat on an open fire instead of eating it raw, which increased the bioavailability of nutrients in meat. We evolved to eat charred meat cooked on fires, we owe our brain size to it. Barbequed meat probably tastes so good because we're descended from the human populations who liked the taste of fire cooked meat and thus got more nutrition and thus evolved bigger brains. So I'm going to eat my barbequed and grilled meat, especially the charred bits. :drinker:

Carcinogens prevent brains from getting big?

PikaKnight

I would find it extremely bizarre if palaeo dieters are telling people not to eat grilled meat because of the charred bits. You honestly can't get more paleo than meat cooked on an open fire.....

You're missing the point...

whierd

Yes, that is exactly what I plan on doing. Problem?

Because it's the world's greatest confirmation bias machine.

It doesn't provide truth. Only information.

Google is a searching tool. With it, I can search for peer reviewed studies regarding cooking methods and carcinogen levels.

You are actually doing your own research???

BLASPHEMY! :laugh::flowerforyou:

And all the posters on here that spew derp about "clean eating", "paleo", "low carb", "processed" also did "research".

They usually just stumble across opinion articles or blogs. I have seen people post links to studies that supposedly back up their claim that actually refute it or have nothing to do with what their point was.

whierd

Yes, that is exactly what I plan on doing. Problem?

Because it's the world's greatest confirmation bias machine.

It doesn't provide truth. Only information.

Google is a searching tool. With it, I can search for peer reviewed studies regarding cooking methods and carcinogen levels.

I still say you should cook some pork and use a GCMS. It's way more fun.

The moment they start selling them at Walmart I will pick one up.