Do young adults in the UK not want to work?

hookilau

I don't get it, I was so excited to get my first job. Yeah It didn't pay great but I had my own money and I could buy things. I loved the responsibility.

Me too! :laugh: I remember the world being so filled with possibilities to me at the time. I felt SO motivated dreaming of all the ways I could make my life better :blushing: :laugh:

MsPudding

I don't know what Blair was thinking of when he encouraged 50% of young people to have a degree. What the devil for? There aren't that many genuine graduate positions.

He was doing what all Governments do, thinking of what would look good during their 4-yr tenure. If you shove half of school leavers into university then they're not on the dole and your youth unemployment figures look bloody great. The fact that 5-6 years down the line you'll end up in a position where you have boatloads of graduates with not enough suitable roles becomes a problem for another Government to work out which, if you're in opposition at the time, means you've now got a big stick to beat them with....graduate unemployment.

What we don't need in this country is any more "media studies" graduates who think they're the bees knees and think they can cruise straight into a senior position on the back of a a huge sense of entitlement and a mediocre degree.

Exactly..and the problem is all these graduates have a) been groomed to expect higher wages as they're now more qualified (even if it's a qualification in a subject employers don't have the slightest interest in) and b) are loaded up with debt they want to pay off. The last time I had my hair done I nearly choked when my hairdresser stated she was about to start a degree in hair colouring. What?? Why???? Why do you need a bloody degree in a vocational skill like hairdressing?? It's madness - if the vocational courses are good there's no need for it.

SteveJWatson

Your question I think is based on your current understanding of how the world society works today. It is hard to imagine a time without money used to give incentive to work I understand. This asumes there is no desire beyond human basic needs, if that were true there would be no inventors, artists, writers, or teachers. People work with passion on things that interest them and challenge them. For example since this is MFP health and fitness become a lifestyle because they are passionate about it. An engineer becomes an engineer because he is passionate and interested in building various devices buildings, robotics, airplanes etc.. There is a whole community that contributes there efforts towards computer software linux, they are not paid for this.
The Venus project is about providing opportunity, and emphasizing individuality, creativity,innovativness, there is no uniformality. Opening opportunity for everyone to partake in the greatest challenge we could have. Improving the life and world for everyone. It is not communism socialism facisim capitalism it is a completely new way of social structure using science that has never been applied.

I was interested until I got to the part in bold - actually what you are describing is a more tradtional form of Anarchism and has been well described - perhaps with slight leanings towards mutualism. You haven't invented anything. :bigsmile:

SteveJWatson

Oooh Good news (well for me anyway lol)

One of my customers just phoned to ask if his son can meet for for an interview tomorrow. He is 17yo, I have met him a couple of times before and he always seems like a pleasant and helpful lad...so fingers crossed

Just thought I would update anyone that has been following the thread.

This morning the son of one of my customers came for an interview, dressed smartly btw . He arrived on time yay! He came over as very intelligent and interested in the company and its future. He has a few qualifications from school but is really keen to learn a trade.

So the long and short of it, is, that he is going to start with us next Tuesday. :bigsmile:

So, my advice to any one looking to recruit, it may be better to ask around customers, suppliers, friends etc rather than rely on advertising in the first instance.

As an interesting (or not) aside - I have only ever got one job in my life by seeing it advertised, responding to the advert etc etc - all the others have been by me approaching the company saying - I like what you do, gissajob (heres my CV).

Amanojaku

He was doing what all Governments do, thinking of what would look good during their 4-yr tenure. If you shove half of school leavers into university then they're not on the dole and your youth unemployment figures look bloody great. The fact that 5-6 years down the line you'll end up in a position where you have boatloads of graduates with not enough suitable roles becomes a problem for another Government to work out which, if you're in opposition at the time, means you've now got a big stick to beat them with....graduate unemployment.


Exactly..and the problem is all these graduates have a) been groomed to expect higher wages as they're now more qualified (even if it's a qualification in a subject employers don't have the slightest interest in) and b) are loaded up with debt they want to pay off. The last time I had my hair done I nearly choked when my hairdresser stated she was about to start a degree in hair colouring. What?? Why???? Why do you need a bloody degree in a vocational skill like hairdressing?? It's madness - if the vocational courses are good there's no need for it.

I agree. It has long been indoctrinated into youth that getting an education will raise your potential of wage. If you stay as just an high school graduate you can expect to always be at min wage, there are few options of rising out of it (like a factory worker backed by unions) So if a graduate has an expectation "thinking they're the bees knees and think they can cruise straight into a senior position" its because that is what was told to them, that is what they would expect going to school.
At a time it was true, however the market gets flooded. Which the system has migrated to serve profit interests of buisnesss. Don't need to train someone to do the job they should already have schooling to do it. No need for apprenticeship. Universities then feed on the aspect of profit and load people down with debt and push through as many students they can aquire lowering standards and quality of graduates. Soon the job market in areas are filled and therefore can lower wages to these job positions.

Amanojaku

I was interested until I got to the part in bold - actually what you are describing is a more tradtional form of Anarchism and has been well described - perhaps with slight leanings towards mutualism. You haven't invented anything. :bigsmile:

I did not come up with the concept and design. Perhaps since you seem interested in these type of systems it would be best to research the information presented by Jacque Fresco who has been working on the idea his whole life. (He is now 97yr old)
The concept of emphasizing individuality, creativity, innovativness is rooted in the understanding of how humans learn through there enviroment and cirumstances to create there values. He has several lectures were he explains these things.

Edit: I say this because I have not researched anything about anarchism or mutualism. But if you feel you have a firm grasp of understanding these and see holes in the venus project then get involved and ask questions help them to arrive at a solution to overall problem. This is the only way I see bringing a change.

PRMinx

Narrow the margins either end - raise the minimum wage considerably and pay for it by taxing the fat cats and millionaires. Have a maximum earning capacity of, say, £250k. And a minimum of £30k.

Lmao

Now, back in the real world...

You've demonstrated my point, no system works, its a question of finding a system that's less bad then the alternatives.

I understand her reasoning for her statement. If you were able to enforce a minimum wage that would supply all a human's securities in life then you would not have problems filling jobs. You would also have less crime, due to less reward in robbery, theft, murder for money. Less stress to bring the horrible sides of ones personality to the surface. Why does someone who clean toilets have to be paid so little money they must suffer in there home life? Why is there time spent less valuable than someone who works an office job?
If you open the choices with appropriate reward then you will have a more stable system but different problems. Money is relative to the enviroment of available resource. If you balance the system properly someone who makes 250k would be considered the rich side of the economy and have the same luxuries as those who are considered rich in our current setup. There would be more money in the system to circulate for needed social systems like healthcare, retirement, roads, police, fire, schools etc. But this is all just a patch to fix current problems, I think in the long run it would just be corrupt and unbalanced again due to the use of a monetary system. Money is a tool used for control of resource and ultimately loopholes, exploits are always found and sought to increase advantage.

you do understand that increasing minimum wage, by definition, increases unemployment, right? and this provable with simple logic, it's not some economic theory.

plus you would reduce output.

Yes, employers rely on low wages to stay competative in the market. They feel they cannot sell a teddy bear for $30 if we raise min wage to high levels. But what im thinking is so what if its $30 instead of $10, if people have the correct amount of min security then they would be able to pay the $30. I am thinking in terms of percentages for all securities, the percentage of entertainment money should always be contained which is basicly the money that is used to fuel the economy for such items.

Have you ever heard of inflation? Yes, let's go there again. Then we can shoot interest rates up to 15-20% range and go through another terrible recession to kill the beast.

BeachIron

I'm just ever so relieved to learn that the British are so lazy.

As an American, I support this message of reverse-continentism . . .

We all have bad teeth and drink tea too...

Keep it up and I'm throwing my freedom fries at you

CollieFit

Oooh Good news (well for me anyway lol)

One of my customers just phoned to ask if his son can meet for for an interview tomorrow. He is 17yo, I have met him a couple of times before and he always seems like a pleasant and helpful lad...so fingers crossed

Just thought I would update anyone that has been following the thread.

This morning the son of one of my customers came for an interview, dressed smartly btw . He arrived on time yay! He came over as very intelligent and interested in the company and its future. He has a few qualifications from school but is really keen to learn a trade.

So the long and short of it, is, that he is going to start with us next Tuesday. :bigsmile:

So, my advice to any one looking to recruit, it may be better to ask around customers, suppliers, friends etc rather than rely on advertising in the first instance.

Fantastic news and best of luck to you both. :drinker:

CollieFit

What we don't need in this country is any more "media studies" graduates who think they're the bees knees and think they can cruise straight into a senior position on the back of a a huge sense of entitlement and a mediocre degree.

Exactly..and the problem is all these graduates have a) been groomed to expect higher wages as they're now more qualified (even if it's a qualification in a subject employers don't have the slightest interest in) and b) are loaded up with debt they want to pay off. The last time I had my hair done I nearly choked when my hairdresser stated she was about to start a degree in hair colouring. What?? Why???? Why do you need a bloody degree in a vocational skill like hairdressing?? It's madness - if the vocational courses are good there's no need for it.

:huh: :noway:

Strikes me that any "course" after school now gets called a "degree" which serves nothing other than to further devalue academic qualifications.

gabbygirl78

can I come work for you????


I have references from a Real Job in the states!

me too!!

VeganLexi

I'm just ever so relieved to learn that the British are so lazy.

As an American, I support this message of reverse-continentism . . .

We all have bad teeth and drink tea too...

Keep it up and I'm throwing my freedom fries at you

Ha, freedom..

BobOki

My friend in the UK said that he knows of TONS of families on their 3rd generation of having NEVER worked a single day. Evidently you can make more off welfare than working low end jobs.

VeganLexi

My friend in the UK said that he knows of TONS of families on their 3rd generation of having NEVER worked a single day. Evidently you can make more off welfare than working low end jobs.

Do they like Jeremy Kyle?

Hendrix7

I don't know what Blair was thinking of when he encouraged 50% of young people to have a degree. What the devil for? There aren't that many genuine graduate positions.

He was doing what all Governments do, thinking of what would look good during their 4-yr tenure. If you shove half of school leavers into university then they're not on the dole and your youth unemployment figures look bloody great. The fact that 5-6 years down the line you'll end up in a position where you have boatloads of graduates with not enough suitable roles becomes a problem for another Government to work out which, if you're in opposition at the time, means you've now got a big stick to beat them with....graduate unemployment.

What we don't need in this country is any more "media studies" graduates who think they're the bees knees and think they can cruise straight into a senior position on the back of a a huge sense of entitlement and a mediocre degree.

Exactly..and the problem is all these graduates have a) been groomed to expect higher wages as they're now more qualified (even if it's a qualification in a subject employers don't have the slightest interest in) and b) are loaded up with debt they want to pay off. The last time I had my hair done I nearly choked when my hairdresser stated she was about to start a degree in hair colouring. What?? Why???? Why do you need a bloody degree in a vocational skill like hairdressing?? It's madness - if the vocational courses are good there's no need for it.

Agreeing with everything here.

130annie

Same as in Canada....My son is having to working two partime jobs, because he cannot get full time employment. He has no life, and that is what young folks want, a social life....

Boogage

I'm sure there are a lot of people that do not want to work but I think there are more that do. When I was at university most of my friends were 18 and 19 and working. I wasn't because I was studying and raising a family which was enough for me to handle. Most of my friends in their early 20's are also working and out of the ones that aren't, most are full time mums and their partners go out to work.

Its a shame you've had this experience but I'm sure you will find the right person. Interviews are about finding a suitable employee right? so you will get bad candidates as well as good ones.

TheLung

I was watching the"news" and they were reporting a study out of the UK. They pretty much are saying that humans are not adults till the age of 25.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2430573/An-adult-18-Not-Adolescence-ends-25-prevent-young-people-getting-inferiority-complex.html

ldrosophila

I was watching the"news" and they were reporting a study out of the UK. They pretty much are saying that humans are not adults till the age of 25.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2430573/An-adult-18-Not-Adolescence-ends-25-prevent-young-people-getting-inferiority-complex.html

You know what's odd is car insurance companies have been saying that for decades those bean counters evidently added up the numbers and didnt see maturity until 25. Another little interesting tid bit the brain reaches full maturation at about 25.

ldrosophila

The Venus project is about providing opportunity, and emphasizing individuality, creativity,innovativness, there is no uniformality. Opening opportunity for everyone to partake in the greatest challenge we could have. Improving the life and world for everyone. It is not communism socialism facisim capitalism it is a completely new way of social structure using science that has never been applied.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KphWsnhZ4Ag
There also many other videos of Jacque Fresco and the venus project you can watch that will hopefully help understand what it is all about. As well as there website.

Interesting I personally dont know if humans can be that altruistic seems to be in our nature to always want more resources and desire the resources that we are lacking. It would be impossible to fairly divide all resources to every human on this planet. Nice idea though.