Saying No to Vaccinations

whierd

I should have woken up earlier. I don't know who to argue with now.

Ha, nice to see you. I like your terse and straight to the point posts.

:flowerforyou:

iamanadult

Speaking strictly flu vaccinations, I say they are pointless. They vaccinate you only using last years viruses, not the current ones. I got flu-like symptoms from my flu shot, which is pretty common. Just not worth it for me.

If you're talking about childhood immunization, that's a different story and I'm all for it.

EmilyJackCO

I have asthma. If I DON'T get the flu shot, I might die.

^^^^ This. My allergist won't let me leave her office without it. Funny, I had just called her to make my appointment for it when I saw this thread. :P

Also, if you do not have a current tetanus shot - doctors will not let you depart their office without it. So if you're anti-vaccine, make sure you don't tell them you're 10 years out of date.

Cheechos

Get your people shots, folks. Not just for yourself, but for your community. If you get sick with something that you could have easily been immunized for and you end up getting someone else sick because they couldn't afford or obtain the vaccine themselves then that person could be seriously affected by it. If you're worried about possible issues that come with vaccines, read up on them. Don't rely on back alley whispers of autism and mercury.

k8blujay2

Is it a huge, evil, megacorporation that wants everybody to be on their deathbeds. No.

Oh really.

Do you listen to the ads for medications out there? What do you think a "fatal event" is? How is it possible to get cancer, TB, go blind or what have you from taking a medication that's supposed to help a condition? How is it even right to put a drug like that into production, knowing that there are people that might die from taking it?

Do you honestly think the FDA and Big Pharma actually cares about the people who take their medication?

While I share absolutely no love for Big Pharma or the FDA, myself... vaccinations... particularly for things like Pertussis, Measles, Rotovirus, Polio... are not something that is particularly negotiable... All of things have higher risks of debilitation and even death than the vaccine does. And while I don't personally get the flu shot (nor does anyone in my household), it is still on the table if we deem it necessary. I only got the flu shot once in my known life and that was while I was pregnant and when H1N1 was prevelant in our area and there were known cases of pregnant women dying or getting very ill and staying the hospital for weeks.

whierd

Speaking strictly flu vaccinations, I say they are pointless. They vaccinate you only using last years viruses, not the current ones. I got flu-like symptoms from my flu shot, which is pretty common. Just not worth it for me.

If you're talking about childhood immunization, that's a different story and I'm all for it.

No, they vaccinate you with what they project this years virus will look like based on predicted mutation patterns.

thesophierose

The added chemicals that affect your brain hormones/neurotransmitters and overall function within your body. It's become a chemical **** show, and the flu shot is not the dead virus it's a watered down version of the real virus. People get scared because of this and thus become anti-vaccine. Also you never know which strain of the flu is coming and if the flu shot even protects against the virus, so it's like you are injecting yourself with a watered down virus for something that might not even help protect you. You also have a great chance of building up antibodies to the virus on your own by keeping your immune system up, and studies have shown that vaccines kill your immune system and your bodies function to be able to make crucial antibodies.

k8blujay2

I don't know

But I've had the flu vaccination every year for the past 5, generally as soon as the flu season hits I hit the floor, since getting the flu shot I've come out unscathed every season except this one, but I would argue it was a strain that wasn't covered in this vaccination.

I work in a high risk job as well as in a high risk family for these types of things (I'm an emergency service worker and my wife is a primary school teacher, I think the best breeding places for disease ? Primary school) and if I don't get vaccinated I think I would be home sick more often than I'm at work.

But then again to my hippy friends I'm a bad parent as my kids are all up to date for all their vaccinations, I know there is a lot of talk about kids becoming Autistic after their vaccinations and I read up quite a bit before I took my eldest for all his, and I honustly dont think these claims are sustanicated

And yet, the single study ever that showed a correlation between MMR and autism has been retracted from the Lancet because after NO ONE was able to repeat his result the researcher admitted he FAKED the results. And they're killing other people's children spreading this admitted lie.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/01/anti-vaccine-parents-caused-californias-lethal-whooping-cough-epidemic/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2012/07/23/anti-vaccine-movement-causes-the-worst-whooping-cough-epidemic-in-70-years/

http://healthland.time.com/2013/09/30/parents-not-vaccinating-kids-contributed-to-whooping-cough-outbreaks/

Add this one to your list:

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/metro/20130820-measles-outbreak-linked-to-tarrant-county-megachurch.ece?nclick_check=1

That church is no longer "anti-vax"... Most people that were aren't when their kids come down with a preventable by vaccine disease/illness and they have to watch their kids suffer the effects of it.

rml_16

Also, if you do not have a current tetanus shot - doctors will not let you depart their office without it.

That is not true.

I petty much remmeber my tetanus shots based on my clumsiness.

In 1999, I accidentally spilled boiling water on my hand and they gave me a tetanus shot in the ER.

I didn't have another until this past June when I broke my arms rollerblading.

whierd

Get your people shots, folks. Not just for yourself, but for your community. If you get sick with something that you could have easily been immunized for and you end up getting someone else sick because they couldn't afford or obtain the vaccine themselves then that person could be seriously affected by it. If you're worried about possible issues that come with vaccines, read up on them. Don't rely on back alley whispers of autism and mercury.

That brings up an interesting discussion.

Do we, as individuals, have a social responsibility to protect our fellow citizens from sickness by preventing sickness within ourselves?

wannabpiper

Had the flu once and don't ever care to repeat that. Get the flu shot every year since.

iamanadult

Speaking strictly flu vaccinations, I say they are pointless. They vaccinate you only using last years viruses, not the current ones. I got flu-like symptoms from my flu shot, which is pretty common. Just not worth it for me.

If you're talking about childhood immunization, that's a different story and I'm all for it.

No, they vaccinate you with what they project this years virus will look like based on predicted mutation patterns.

When I got my only flu shot the nurse told me it's last years virus's.

dylanafghjkl

I had no clue this thread was going to be so much fun!

I wasn't even expecting a reply honestly!!

Really? Vaccine talk is almost always controversial.

Hrrmrmrm, what else is controversial I wonder?

k8blujay2

If this one hasn't been posted it's a really good pro-vaccine article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jj-keith/vaccines_b_3829948.html

spookiefox

I have nursed children with whooping cough - horrible disease; I am a family genealogist and so many children in my family history died of preventable diseases whilst just little - measles, etc - before vaccinations became available. Vaccination works to stop these diseases. If someone really doesn't want to do it, then OK, but don't push it onto others. I worked at a school and we had a list of all the kids who weren't immunised - if anyone got measles they had to be excluded from school, day care, etc.

Autism is a worry, but I haven't read enough to know if it is linked to / proven to be linked to getting your kids immunised.

I get the flu shot every year.

There was a single study published in the Lancet in 1998 that showed a correlation between autism and the MMR vaccine. As is usual in science, other researchers went on to try and repeat the Wakefield results and confirm this link. No one was able to repeat Wakefield's results. In 2004 the Lancet stated that the study should never have been published. Wakefield had been paid by a legal aid group seeking evidence to use to sue vaccine manufacturers and had, himself, applied for a patent on a vaccine that would have been a competitor to the MMR vaccine he tested. None of that was disclosed at the time the paper was published, and data was "manipulated" to achieve the reported results. No other study has showed a link between autism and the MMR or any other vaccine. This link has been fully discredited.

whierd

The added chemicals that affect your brain hormones/neurotransmitters and overall function within your body. It's become a chemical **** show, and the flu shot is not the dead virus it's a watered down version of the real virus. People get scared because of this and thus become anti-vaccine. Also you never know which strain of the flu is coming and if the flu shot even protects against the virus, so it's like you are injecting yourself with a watered down virus for something that might not even help protect you. You also have a great chance of building up antibodies to the virus on your own by keeping your immune system up, and studies have shown that vaccines kill your immune system and your bodies function to be able to make crucial antibodies.

k8blujay2

Get your people shots, folks. Not just for yourself, but for your community. If you get sick with something that you could have easily been immunized for and you end up getting someone else sick because they couldn't afford or obtain the vaccine themselves then that person could be seriously affected by it. If you're worried about possible issues that come with vaccines, read up on them. Don't rely on back alley whispers of autism and mercury.

That brings up an interesting discussion.

Do we, as individuals, have a social responsibility to protect our fellow citizens from sickness by preventing sickness within ourselves?

I believe we do.

Holly_Roman_Empire

The added chemicals that affect your brain hormones/neurotransmitters and overall function within your body. It's become a chemical **** show, and the flu shot is not the dead virus it's a watered down version of the real virus. People get scared because of this and thus become anti-vaccine. Also you never know which strain of the flu is coming and if the flu shot even protects against the virus, so it's like you are injecting yourself with a watered down virus for something that might not even help protect you. You also have a great chance of building up antibodies to the virus on your own by keeping your immune system up, and studies have shown that vaccines kill your immune system and your bodies function to be able to make crucial antibodies.

References?
Also, I'll tell my cousin with juvenile diabetes that keeping his own immune system up will keep himself alive.

spookiefox

Speaking strictly flu vaccinations, I say they are pointless. They vaccinate you only using last years viruses, not the current ones. I got flu-like symptoms from my flu shot, which is pretty common. Just not worth it for me.

If you're talking about childhood immunization, that's a different story and I'm all for it.

No, they vaccinate you with what they project this years virus will look like based on predicted mutation patterns.

When I got my only flu shot the nurse told me it's last years virus's.

The nurse was wrong. If last years viruses would work anybody who got the flu last year wouldn't need this year's shot because they'd be immune.

whierd

Speaking strictly flu vaccinations, I say they are pointless. They vaccinate you only using last years viruses, not the current ones. I got flu-like symptoms from my flu shot, which is pretty common. Just not worth it for me.

If you're talking about childhood immunization, that's a different story and I'm all for it.

No, they vaccinate you with what they project this years virus will look like based on predicted mutation patterns.

When I got my only flu shot the nurse told me it's last years virus's.

Your nurse likely doesn't read up on the literature for the vaccine she is using, though I'm not saying that it couldn't be last years virus. However, most vaccines contain at least 3 or 4 different predicted strains.

EmilyJackCO

Also, if you do not have a current tetanus shot - doctors will not let you depart their office without it.

That is not true.

I petty much remmeber my tetanus shots based on my clumsiness.

In 1999, I accidentally spilled boiling water on my hand and they gave me a tetanus shot in the ER.

I didn't have another until this past June when I broke my arms rollerblading.

Ah... I was physically prevented from leaving til I got mine that was .... well, I didn't remember the previous one. I think it was when I went to college, so it would have been more than 15 years. They told me it was state law. I seriously fought with them about it. So I should have caveated that... my bad.

Holly_Roman_Empire

Also, if you do not have a current tetanus shot - doctors will not let you depart their office without it.

That is not true.

I petty much remmeber my tetanus shots based on my clumsiness.

In 1999, I accidentally spilled boiling water on my hand and they gave me a tetanus shot in the ER.

I didn't have another until this past June when I broke my arms rollerblading.

Ah... I was physically prevented from leaving til I got mine that was .... well, I didn't remember the previous one. I think it was when I went to college, so it would have been more than 15 years. They told me it was state law. I seriously fought with them about it. So I should have caveated that... my bad.

Yeah it could be based on state law. In Texas, we weren't allowed to attend school unless we had one every ten years.

spookiefox

I don't know

But I've had the flu vaccination every year for the past 5, generally as soon as the flu season hits I hit the floor, since getting the flu shot I've come out unscathed every season except this one, but I would argue it was a strain that wasn't covered in this vaccination.

I work in a high risk job as well as in a high risk family for these types of things (I'm an emergency service worker and my wife is a primary school teacher, I think the best breeding places for disease ? Primary school) and if I don't get vaccinated I think I would be home sick more often than I'm at work.

But then again to my hippy friends I'm a bad parent as my kids are all up to date for all their vaccinations, I know there is a lot of talk about kids becoming Autistic after their vaccinations and I read up quite a bit before I took my eldest for all his, and I honustly dont think these claims are sustanicated

And yet, the single study ever that showed a correlation between MMR and autism has been retracted from the Lancet because after NO ONE was able to repeat his result the researcher admitted he FAKED the results. And they're killing other people's children spreading this admitted lie.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/01/anti-vaccine-parents-caused-californias-lethal-whooping-cough-epidemic/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2012/07/23/anti-vaccine-movement-causes-the-worst-whooping-cough-epidemic-in-70-years/

http://healthland.time.com/2013/09/30/parents-not-vaccinating-kids-contributed-to-whooping-cough-outbreaks/

Add this one to your list:

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/metro/20130820-measles-outbreak-linked-to-tarrant-county-megachurch.ece?nclick_check=1

Paywalled link.

You're preaching to the choir. Vaccines good. Measles bad.

ldrosophila

I had no clue this thread was going to be so much fun!

I wasn't even expecting a reply honestly!!

Really? Vaccine talk is almost always controversial.

Hrrmrmrm, what else is controversial I wonder?

handwashing...lol that get's em riled up too. I'm just always so impressed by all the immunologist that come out of the wood work to educate.

calibriintx

Get your people shots, folks. Not just for yourself, but for your community. If you get sick with something that you could have easily been immunized for and you end up getting someone else sick because they couldn't afford or obtain the vaccine themselves then that person could be seriously affected by it. If you're worried about possible issues that come with vaccines, read up on them. Don't rely on back alley whispers of autism and mercury.

That brings up an interesting discussion.

Do we, as individuals, have a social responsibility to protect our fellow citizens from sickness by preventing sickness within ourselves?

Yes. And to stay the eff home when we're ill. Took little to a movie last month. During the previews the chick behind us answers the phone and tells her mom that her strep test came back positive and the doc called in a script for her that she wanted her mom to pick up. GO HOME!

Holly_Roman_Empire

Get your people shots, folks. Not just for yourself, but for your community. If you get sick with something that you could have easily been immunized for and you end up getting someone else sick because they couldn't afford or obtain the vaccine themselves then that person could be seriously affected by it. If you're worried about possible issues that come with vaccines, read up on them. Don't rely on back alley whispers of autism and mercury.

That brings up an interesting discussion.

Do we, as individuals, have a social responsibility to protect our fellow citizens from sickness by preventing sickness within ourselves?

I believe we do.

I believe we do as well. I have never gotten the flu IN MY LIFE, but it took some education and being forced to get the flu shot while in the military for me to realize why we get vaccinated. Nobody in the military contracts these horrible illnesses because we have ALL received the shots, so together we are protecting all of us.

rml_16

Also, if you do not have a current tetanus shot - doctors will not let you depart their office without it.

That is not true.

I petty much remmeber my tetanus shots based on my clumsiness.

In 1999, I accidentally spilled boiling water on my hand and they gave me a tetanus shot in the ER.

I didn't have another until this past June when I broke my arms rollerblading.

Ah... I was physically prevented from leaving til I got mine that was .... well, I didn't remember the previous one. I think it was when I went to college, so it would have been more than 15 years. They told me it was state law. I seriously fought with them about it. So I should have caveated that... my bad.

Yeah it could be based on state law. In Texas, we weren't allowed to attend school unless we had one every ten years.

I had to prove I was vaccinated for college. I was probably in the 10 years at that point. As an adult, though, I've been a bad girl about tetanus shots. I just forget and my doctor hasn't said anything to remind me.

But I'm good for the next 10 years now! lol

ryry_

http://www.npr.org/2013/09/01/217746942/texas-megachurch-at-center-of-measles-outbreak

Please tell me more about how harmful vaccines are.

iamanadult

Speaking strictly flu vaccinations, I say they are pointless. They vaccinate you only using last years viruses, not the current ones. I got flu-like symptoms from my flu shot, which is pretty common. Just not worth it for me.

If you're talking about childhood immunization, that's a different story and I'm all for it.

No, they vaccinate you with what they project this years virus will look like based on predicted mutation patterns.

When I got my only flu shot the nurse told me it's last years virus's.

Your nurse likely doesn't read up on the literature for the vaccine she is using, though I'm not saying that it couldn't be last years virus. However, most vaccines contain at least 3 or 4 different predicted strains.

Wouldn't they base their prediction by what's circulating the previous year? Regardless of how the virus's are selected, I don't get it for the reason that I get flu symptoms from them and ain't nobody got time for that.

I barely get sick anyways.

KxCoyote

I can see why a lot of people are for it, and it is a wonderful invention, for the people it works for.
But my family, me, my mother, her grandmother. Any time any of us got a flu shot. We got the flu. And when we didn't? We didn't get as sick. We still got the flu, but we weren't down-and-out like we were after the flu-shots. And the flu never lasted as long, generally a day or two with fever, and done. After flu shots, the flu would last about a week before breaking.

Now, please don't get me wrong, Vaccines are amazing things, but again, they don't work for everyone.