lol @ eating donuts

Achrya · October 2013

While I also tire of the IIFYM crowd posting as if they live off junk food and posting pics of ridiculously high calorie foods, I do not for one second believe that all I need to do is eat 5 meals a day that are low fat, moderate carbs and high protein and my abs will magically look like the OP's.

Well, I didn't read through the whole thread (all the gifs hurt my eyes), but...

Obviously the OP has a dedicated weight regimen. It's not hard for me to believe he eschews Pop-Tarts, ice cream, and the like (since I've done it myself in the past, and many don't worship those types of foods to the extent that some seem to do here), since the extra carbs, sugar, etc. don't really help you look any better (even if they don't hinder you).

I see many posting cute pics and memes, but can we see an example of someone with a fit body that eats thousands of calories a week of this "bad" (to some) food? I'm not talking just about being "not overweight." Maybe some of us want a little more than that. Why can't some of these Pop-Tart eaters show pics of their abs?

If we can get ripped eating "empty" calories, please educate us.

Actually, a lot of the self-proclaimed pop-tart (or other junk food) eaters are quite ripped. The peeve I have is that they routinely posts as if they eat junk as the mainstay of their diet, when in fact, it is a very tiny part of their diet. It's the "Look at me, I'm fit and eat a lot of junk" misrepresentation that I don't understand.

Define "very tiny part". Is ice cream daily very tiny? Fast food a few times a week? Very tiny seems like a real undefined kind of arbitrary statement. Can we get a percentage so that the ripped IIFYM people can decide who fits and who doesn't?

Well, I'm sure the "ripped" ones are hiding, and waiting for me to fulfill the burden of proof, but I certainly know where to find the "unripped" ones.

Does that mean you lack an clear view of what is considered a tiny part?

Maybe I could help you on your quest to find ripped people of that nature if I knew the parameters. I assume your desire to see such people was genuine, but perhaps I was wrong.

Achrya · October 2013

Define "very tiny part". Is ice cream daily very tiny? Fast food a few times a week? Very tiny seems like a real undefined kind of arbitrary statement. Can we get a percentage so that the ripped IIFYM people can decide who fits and who doesn't?

Maybe half the calories? The actual sketchy eaters do tend to be on weight loss plans. Eating a half cup of ice cream after chicken breast and broccoli is not worth talking about.

What? Anything less than half their diet is "tiny"?

jwdieter · October 2013

Define "very tiny part". Is ice cream daily very tiny? Fast food a few times a week? Very tiny seems like a real undefined kind of arbitrary statement. Can we get a percentage so that the ripped IIFYM people can decide who fits and who doesn't?

Maybe half the calories? The actual sketchy eaters do tend to be on weight loss plans. Eating a half cup of ice cream after chicken breast and broccoli is not worth talking about.

What? Anything less than half their diet is "tiny"?

If you want to argue about the definition of "tiny", go for it.

The point is that a lot of people are eating mostly food they don't talk about, and talking about food they don't eat particularly much of. Food bragging is pretty common, and pretty silly in most cases.

Then you look at, say, magerum's diary and he's actually eating what he's talking about.

rml_16 · October 2013

Define "very tiny part". Is ice cream daily very tiny? Fast food a few times a week? Very tiny seems like a real undefined kind of arbitrary statement. Can we get a percentage so that the ripped IIFYM people can decide who fits and who doesn't?

Maybe half the calories? The actual sketchy eaters do tend to be on weight loss plans. Eating a half cup of ice cream after chicken breast and broccoli is not worth talking about.

But if you eat a half cup of ice cream every night, that isn't so tiny. It's incorporating what you enjoy into your meal plan DAILY and still achieving your goals.

mud7urtle · October 2013

The point is that a lot of people are eating mostly food they don't talk about, and talking about food they don't eat particularly much of. Food bragging is pretty common, and pretty silly in most cases.

So then I must be the exception being that essentially all of my fats/carbs are derived from donuts.

Of course it's silly, and people like silly.

tmpecus78 · October 2013

Well, I'm sure the "ripped" ones are hiding, and waiting for me to fulfill the burden of proof, but I certainly know where to find the "unripped" ones.

I eat pop-tarts and bacon daily and I also consume donuts, sugary cereal & ice cream on a weekly basis. All of these foods are eaten at night time (8-10pm) post workout and right before bed. :drinker:

Achrya · October 2013

Define "very tiny part". Is ice cream daily very tiny? Fast food a few times a week? Very tiny seems like a real undefined kind of arbitrary statement. Can we get a percentage so that the ripped IIFYM people can decide who fits and who doesn't?

Maybe half the calories? The actual sketchy eaters do tend to be on weight loss plans. Eating a half cup of ice cream after chicken breast and broccoli is not worth talking about.

What? Anything less than half their diet is "tiny"?

If you want to argue about the definition of "tiny", go for it.

The point is that a lot of people are eating mostly food they don't talk about, and talking about food they don't eat particularly much of. Food bragging is pretty common, and pretty silly in most cases.

Then you look at, say, magerum's diary and he's actually eating what he's talking about.

It was implied that the ripped people following IIFYM only eat a tiny portion of their calories from so called junk. I asked specifically what tiny is an your response is "half." That goes from tiny to majority in one giant leap.

So now we're saying if half the diet isn't 'junk' it's silly and food bragging. So if it's 10% or 15%, that's not a large enough percentage?

jwdieter · October 2013

The point is that a lot of people are eating mostly food they don't talk about, and talking about food they don't eat particularly much of. Food bragging is pretty common, and pretty silly in most cases.

So then I must be the exception being that essentially all of my fats/carbs are derived from donuts.
Of course it's silly, and people like silly.

I agree, and there's a great forum for silly on this site. "General diet and weight loss help" isn't particularly served by pictures of fried butter or whatever catches the fancy of someone who isn't hurting for calories. I eat ~3000, and it's completely pointless to tell these poor random folks trying to lose weight what I'm eating.

Anyway, I'm on board with IIFYM. But I don't think food brags help people much. Shrugs.

mud7urtle · October 2013

I agree, and there's a great forum for silly on this site. "General diet and weight loss help" isn't particularly served by pictures of fried butter or whatever catches the fancy of someone who isn't hurting for calories. I eat ~3000, and it's completely pointless to tell these poor random folks trying to lose weight what I'm eating.

Anyway, I'm on board with IIFYM. But I don't think food brags help people much. Shrugs.

Anything that brings joy I am a fan of

and it seems to bring joy. Shrugs

totem12 · October 2013

I wish I was a man...I would love to be able to eat that much...

pastryari · October 2013

While I also tire of the IIFYM crowd posting as if they live off junk food and posting pics of ridiculously high calorie foods, I do not for one second believe that all I need to do is eat 5 meals a day that are low fat, moderate carbs and high protein and my abs will magically look like the OP's.

Well, I didn't read through the whole thread (all the gifs hurt my eyes), but...

Obviously the OP has a dedicated weight regimen. It's not hard for me to believe he eschews Pop-Tarts, ice cream, and the like (since I've done it myself in the past, and many don't worship those types of foods to the extent that some seem to do here), since the extra carbs, sugar, etc. don't really help you look any better (even if they don't hinder you).

I see many posting cute pics and memes, but can we see an example of someone with a fit body that eats thousands of calories a week of this "bad" (to some) food? I'm not talking just about being "not overweight." Maybe some of us want a little more than that. Why can't some of these Pop-Tart eaters show pics of their abs?

If we can get ripped eating "empty" calories, please educate us.

Actually, a lot of the self-proclaimed pop-tart (or other junk food) eaters are quite ripped. The peeve I have is that they routinely posts as if they eat junk as the mainstay of their diet, when in fact, it is a very tiny part of their diet. It's the "Look at me, I'm fit and eat a lot of junk" misrepresentation that I don't understand.

I agree.

But mostly I think people are so in your face about it because they are trying to make people understand that ice cream and poptarts, etc are not the devil and will not harm your goals when consumed in moderation.

jonnythan · October 2013

The point is that a lot of people are eating mostly food they don't talk about, and talking about food they don't eat particularly much of. Food bragging is pretty common, and pretty silly in most cases.

So then I must be the exception being that essentially all of my fats/carbs are derived from donuts.
Of course it's silly, and people like silly.

I agree, and there's a great forum for silly on this site. "General diet and weight loss help" isn't particularly served by pictures of fried butter or whatever catches the fancy of someone who isn't hurting for calories. I eat ~3000, and it's completely pointless to tell these poor random folks trying to lose weight what I'm eating.

Anyway, I'm on board with IIFYM. But I don't think food brags help people much. Shrugs.

I think that they do. So, so many people think these foods are automatically unhealthy. It's good to help convince them they can work these delicious items into their diets.

jwdieter · October 2013

The point is that a lot of people are eating mostly food they don't talk about, and talking about food they don't eat particularly much of. Food bragging is pretty common, and pretty silly in most cases.

So then I must be the exception being that essentially all of my fats/carbs are derived from donuts.
Of course it's silly, and people like silly.

I agree, and there's a great forum for silly on this site. "General diet and weight loss help" isn't particularly served by pictures of fried butter or whatever catches the fancy of someone who isn't hurting for calories. I eat ~3000, and it's completely pointless to tell these poor random folks trying to lose weight what I'm eating.

Anyway, I'm on board with IIFYM. But I don't think food brags help people much. Shrugs.

I think that they do. So, so many people think these foods are automatically unhealthy. It's good to help convince them they can work these delicious items into their diets.

We go back and forth on this. I agree people should look at the bigger picture. But this is like talking about the "twinkie diet" - there's important knowledge in the story, but it was not even close to a "twinkie diet". It should not be represented as a "twinkie diet", because that's a lie.

Incorporating intake of "yummy" foods, within the greater context of a calorie deficit and macros, is great. People shouldn't be freaking out over the thought of eating a pop tart. It's also important to keep in mind that some people are working with an extra 1000+ calories over the deficit folks, which makes this concept much easier to implement. "Eat all the foods!" turns into more like "eat some of some foods, some of the time, if your macros allow it".

jofjltncb6 · October 2013

Define "very tiny part". Is ice cream daily very tiny? Fast food a few times a week? Very tiny seems like a real undefined kind of arbitrary statement. Can we get a percentage so that the ripped IIFYM people can decide who fits and who doesn't?

Maybe half the calories? The actual sketchy eaters do tend to be on weight loss plans. Eating a half cup of ice cream after chicken breast and broccoli is not worth talking about.

What? Anything less than half their diet is "tiny"?

If you want to argue about the definition of "tiny", go for it.

The point is that a lot of people are eating mostly food they don't talk about, and talking about food they don't eat particularly much of. Food bragging is pretty common, and pretty silly in most cases.

Then you look at, say, magerum's diary and he's actually eating what he's talking about.

I'm barely keeping up with this conversation, but I eat what I'm talking about...or what I say I eat, I actually eat. (The almost four cups of ice cream on the 20th, for example.) But honestly, I've lost track of what the argument even is at this point.

Mcgrawhaha · October 2013

The point is that a lot of people are eating mostly food they don't talk about, and talking about food they don't eat particularly much of. Food bragging is pretty common, and pretty silly in most cases.

So then I must be the exception being that essentially all of my fats/carbs are derived from donuts.
Of course it's silly, and people like silly.

I agree, and there's a great forum for silly on this site. "General diet and weight loss help" isn't particularly served by pictures of fried butter or whatever catches the fancy of someone who isn't hurting for calories. I eat ~3000, and it's completely pointless to tell these poor random folks trying to lose weight what I'm eating.

Anyway, I'm on board with IIFYM. But I don't think food brags help people much. Shrugs.

I think that they do. So, so many people think these foods are automatically unhealthy. It's good to help convince them they can work these delicious items into their diets.

if i couldnt have worked all the good stuff into my weight loss plan, i would have said eff it, im staying fat! i would never, ever give up things i like, just to be thin... i want my cake and i want to eat it too... plus the donut... so, i fit all the good stuff in... donuts, french pastries, candy, chips, beer, french fries, burgers, etc... and shed 100 pounds in 11 months... these "bad" foods are only "bad" when you make them "bad" by consuming way more than your share on a regular basis...

Sarauk2sf · October 2013

While I also tire of the IIFYM crowd posting as if they live off junk food and posting pics of ridiculously high calorie foods, I do not for one second believe that all I need to do is eat 5 meals a day that are low fat, moderate carbs and high protein and my abs will magically look like the OP's.

Well, I didn't read through the whole thread (all the gifs hurt my eyes), but...

Obviously the OP has a dedicated weight regimen. It's not hard for me to believe he eschews Pop-Tarts, ice cream, and the like (since I've done it myself in the past, and many don't worship those types of foods to the extent that some seem to do here), since the extra carbs, sugar, etc. don't really help you look any better (even if they don't hinder you).

I see many posting cute pics and memes, but can we see an example of someone with a fit body that eats thousands of calories a week of this "bad" (to some) food? I'm not talking just about being "not overweight." Maybe some of us want a little more than that. Why can't some of these Pop-Tart eaters show pics of their abs?

If we can get ripped eating "empty" calories, please educate us.

I eat Pop-Tarts on occasion and ice-cream every day. Depending on my calorie allowance for that day will depend on how much. I also eat lots of fruit and veggies (usually) and other nutrient dense foods.

There are a lot of people who fit treats into their day who are on my FL who have visible abs and are ripped.

Extra carbs are very good to fuel a workout so I would argue that it does not help.

On the flip side, when I am doing a heavier cut, I have less 'goodies' as I have less room to play with. I still eat ice-cream every day. I just have smaller portions or low-fat or low sugar (depending on what I can fit into my macros) options.

There really is no such thing as an empty calorie.

Cindyinpg · October 2013

I think that they do. So, so many people think these foods are automatically unhealthy. It's good to help convince them they can work these delicious items into their diets.

if i couldnt have worked all the good stuff into my weight loss plan, i would have said eff it, im staying fat! i would never, ever give up things i like, just to be thin... i want my cake and i want to eat it too... plus the donut... so, i fit all the good stuff in... donuts, french pastries, candy, chips, beer, french fries, burgers, etc... and shed 100 pounds in 11 months... these "bad" foods are only "bad" when you make them "bad" by consuming way more than your share on a regular basis...

Yes and yes! :drinker: I've lost 122lbs in 15 months and never could've stayed on track if I hadn't learned that I can still have all the foods I enjoy and still be successful.

LiminalAscendance · October 2013

While I also tire of the IIFYM crowd posting as if they live off junk food and posting pics of ridiculously high calorie foods, I do not for one second believe that all I need to do is eat 5 meals a day that are low fat, moderate carbs and high protein and my abs will magically look like the OP's.

Well, I didn't read through the whole thread (all the gifs hurt my eyes), but...

Obviously the OP has a dedicated weight regimen. It's not hard for me to believe he eschews Pop-Tarts, ice cream, and the like (since I've done it myself in the past, and many don't worship those types of foods to the extent that some seem to do here), since the extra carbs, sugar, etc. don't really help you look any better (even if they don't hinder you).

I see many posting cute pics and memes, but can we see an example of someone with a fit body that eats thousands of calories a week of this "bad" (to some) food? I'm not talking just about being "not overweight." Maybe some of us want a little more than that. Why can't some of these Pop-Tart eaters show pics of their abs?

If we can get ripped eating "empty" calories, please educate us.

I eat Pop-Tarts on occasion and ice-cream every day. Depending on my calorie allowance for that day will depend on how much. I also eat lots of fruit and veggies (usually) and other nutrient dense foods.

There are a lot of people who fit treats into their day who are on my FL who have visible abs and are ripped.

Extra carbs are very good to fuel a workout so I would argue that it does not help.

On the flip side, when I am doing a heavier cut, I have less 'goodies' as I have less room to play with. I still eat ice-cream every day. I just have smaller portions or low-fat or low sugar (depending on what I can fit into my macros) options.

There really is no such thing as an empty calorie.

Thank you for explaining how someone who is obviously fit works these types of foods into their diet. I also appreciate the fact that you described some of the decision-making process, with regards to what your goals are at the moment (i.e. working towards a "heavier" cut). This moderate view on how IIFYM is actually implemented isn't very common here.

Please note that my use of "empty" was in quotes. Although I certainly feel some calories are empty (e.g. soda -- and I hope no one mentions how hard it is to get my sugar otherwise...LMAO!), I certainly wouldn't describe ice cream and Pop-Tarts in such a way (which, although perhaps not a staple in my diet, can certainly contribute to good health).

LiftAllThePizzas · October 2013

Are you saying that you have to be "ripped" (extremely low body fat %) to be fit?

LiminalAscendance · October 2013

Are you saying that you have to be "ripped" (extremely low body fat %) to be fit?

We all have our own definition of what "fit" means to us, I am sure.

LiftAllThePizzas · October 2013

Are you saying that you have to be "ripped" (extremely low body fat %) to be fit?

We all have our own definition of what "fit" means to us, I am sure.

That's not what I asked.

And if you're saying, "someone cannot achieve (some imaginary constantly moving standard that only exists in my own head) with some particular diet" then why should anyone even care whether or not that statement is true?

LiminalAscendance · October 2013

Are you saying that you have to be "ripped" (extremely low body fat %) to be fit?

We all have our own definition of what "fit" means to us, I am sure.

That's not what I asked.

And if you're saying, "someone cannot achieve (some imaginary constantly moving standard that only exists in my own head) with some particular diet" then why should anyone even care whether or not that statement is true?

Well, what exists "in my own head" is certainly important to me (obviously, but it seems things like that have to be explained here). And, not for nothing, my definition of "fit" isn't all that uncommon.

Plus, I originally asked if you could get "ripped" eating whatever you wanted; I didn't mention "fit" at that time. I apologize if you don't appreciate (what you feel are) my standards of fitness.

I applaud you in whatever way you achieve whatever your goals happen to be.

bcattoes · October 2013

While I also tire of the IIFYM crowd posting as if they live off junk food and posting pics of ridiculously high calorie foods, I do not for one second believe that all I need to do is eat 5 meals a day that are low fat, moderate carbs and high protein and my abs will magically look like the OP's.

Well, I didn't read through the whole thread (all the gifs hurt my eyes), but...

Obviously the OP has a dedicated weight regimen. It's not hard for me to believe he eschews Pop-Tarts, ice cream, and the like (since I've done it myself in the past, and many don't worship those types of foods to the extent that some seem to do here), since the extra carbs, sugar, etc. don't really help you look any better (even if they don't hinder you).

I see many posting cute pics and memes, but can we see an example of someone with a fit body that eats thousands of calories a week of this "bad" (to some) food? I'm not talking just about being "not overweight." Maybe some of us want a little more than that. Why can't some of these Pop-Tart eaters show pics of their abs?

If we can get ripped eating "empty" calories, please educate us.

Actually, a lot of the self-proclaimed pop-tart (or other junk food) eaters are quite ripped. The peeve I have is that they routinely posts as if they eat junk as the mainstay of their diet, when in fact, it is a very tiny part of their diet. It's the "Look at me, I'm fit and eat a lot of junk" misrepresentation that I don't understand.

Define "very tiny part". Is ice cream daily very tiny? Fast food a few times a week? Very tiny seems like a real undefined kind of arbitrary statement. Can we get a percentage so that the ripped IIFYM people can decide who fits and who doesn't?

"very tiny part" = very small percentage of their calories. Some have their diaries open, and when you take a look, it does not correlate with what they imply in their posts at all.

Achrya · October 2013

While I also tire of the IIFYM crowd posting as if they live off junk food and posting pics of ridiculously high calorie foods, I do not for one second believe that all I need to do is eat 5 meals a day that are low fat, moderate carbs and high protein and my abs will magically look like the OP's.

Well, I didn't read through the whole thread (all the gifs hurt my eyes), but...

Obviously the OP has a dedicated weight regimen. It's not hard for me to believe he eschews Pop-Tarts, ice cream, and the like (since I've done it myself in the past, and many don't worship those types of foods to the extent that some seem to do here), since the extra carbs, sugar, etc. don't really help you look any better (even if they don't hinder you).

I see many posting cute pics and memes, but can we see an example of someone with a fit body that eats thousands of calories a week of this "bad" (to some) food? I'm not talking just about being "not overweight." Maybe some of us want a little more than that. Why can't some of these Pop-Tart eaters show pics of their abs?

If we can get ripped eating "empty" calories, please educate us.

Actually, a lot of the self-proclaimed pop-tart (or other junk food) eaters are quite ripped. The peeve I have is that they routinely posts as if they eat junk as the mainstay of their diet, when in fact, it is a very tiny part of their diet. It's the "Look at me, I'm fit and eat a lot of junk" misrepresentation that I don't understand.

Define "very tiny part". Is ice cream daily very tiny? Fast food a few times a week? Very tiny seems like a real undefined kind of arbitrary statement. Can we get a percentage so that the ripped IIFYM people can decide who fits and who doesn't?

"very tiny part" = very small percentage of their calories. Some have their diaries open, and when you take a look, it does not correlate with what they imply in their posts at all.

So if Sara eats 1/2 cup to 1 cup of ice cream daily is that a 'very small' part? I'm looking for an actual amount here. 10% 15% 20%? If someone uses 300 of their 1900 daily calories is that tiny?

Also what you think is implied isn't an actual metric to measure what they eat against, is it? IIFYM is about moderation, so to expect anything but moderation seems...odd.