Women, why must it be so?
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My mind is blown right now. There are so many things I want to say but they are all over place.
But I can say this....
I have a daughter and she has a bow, guns, and all kinds of sports related toys along with her girly toys... If someone is complaining about the kinds of toys there are for girls and boys, remember you are the one purchasing the toys, you have a choice in what you buy into.
Ok, seriously, that's enough JLaw for now.0 -
My mind is blown right now. There are so many things I want to say but they are all over place.
But I can say this....
I have a daughter and she has a bow, guns, and all kinds of sports related toys along with her girly toys... If someone is complaining about the kinds of toys there are for girls and boys, remember you are the one purchasing the toys, you have a choice in what you buy into.
Let me know when you need more than your mind blown.0 -
This was a joke, but as a woman, I too get frustrated with the stereotypes.
Women are catty
Women are too emotional
Women need to cook, clean, raise the kids,
Women need to cater to their males.
blah blah...
I am not catty. I am probably not emotional enough. I'm not married, but I do have a bf and I do NOT clean up after him and I won't. He can do that s*** himself just like I clean up after myself.
I am educated and have my own career, and although nothing is wrong with being a stay at home mom, that will not be happening. We will split our duties equally. I will take care of my future husband as long as he takes care of me
I think it is important that both sexes "do their part" when it comes to making a relationship work. Whatever that is should be left up to them to decide. I think the stay at home mom thing was more common when men were in the workforce more and women didn't have decent jobs. Now that more women are getting their educations and entering the workforce, things have changed.
That being said, I make dinner for him all the time, and do other nice things for him. But I ain't no damn maid lol.0 -
You know, she do what she do.
Why is she ALWAYS RIGHT???
This!0 -
This was a joke, but as a woman, I too get frustrated with the stereotypes.
Women are catty
Women are too emotional
Women need to cook, clean, raise the kids,
Women need to cater to their males.
blah blah...
I am not catty. I am probably not emotional enough. I'm not married, but I do have a bf and I do NOT clean up after him and I won't. He can do that s*** himself just like I clean up after myself.
I am educated and have my own career, and although nothing is wrong with being a stay at home mom, that will not be happening. We will split our duties equally. I will take care of my future husband as long as he takes care of me I think it is important that both sexes "do their part" when it comes to making a relationship work. Whatever that is should be left up to them to decide. I think the stay at home mom thing was more common when men were in the workforce more and women didn't have decent jobs. Now that more women are getting their educations and entering the workforce, things have changed.
That being said, I make dinner for him all the time, and do other nice things for him. But I ain't no damn maid lol.
Agreed!0 -
I believe more women in western society are agiant feminism than for feminism because they can see how sexiest feminism actually is.
I can't speak for anyone but myself but I see how sexist feminism is... just read HALF of what the troll posts!If feminism is done right it's not sexism. Not all people that call themselves feminists are the same. Obviously.
Times have changed. The issues that feminism deals with are not the same as they used to be. It's still important to have support in place where needed. And in many other parts of the world, women are not treated equally.
Yes, but I don't think this thread is referring to women in other parts of the world.
Mind you, I only know a handful of feminists and everything that they talk about leads BACK to the early 1900s.
With what issues (that feminists are "dealing with") are you referring?0 -
This was a joke, but as a woman, I too get frustrated with the stereotypes.
Women are catty
Women are too emotional
Women need to cook, clean, raise the kids,
Women need to cater to their males.
blah blah...
I am not catty. I am probably not emotional enough. I'm not married, but I do have a bf and I do NOT clean up after him and I won't. He can do that s*** himself just like I clean up after myself.
I am educated and have my own career, and although nothing is wrong with being a stay at home mom, that will not be happening. We will split our duties equally. I will take care of my future husband as long as he takes care of me I think it is important that both sexes "do their part" when it comes to making a relationship work. Whatever that is should be left up to them to decide. I think the stay at home mom thing was more common when men were in the workforce more and women didn't have decent jobs. Now that more women are getting their educations and entering the workforce, things have changed.
That being said, I make dinner for him all the time, and do other nice things for him. But I ain't no damn maid lol.
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ProceedMy mind is blown right now. There are so many things I want to say but they are all over place.
But I can say this....
I have a daughter and she has a bow, guns, and all kinds of sports related toys along with her girly toys... If someone is complaining about the kinds of toys there are for girls and boys, remember you are the one purchasing the toys, you have a choice in what you buy into.
Let me know when you need more than your mind blown.0 -
So, what I'm gathering here is that those ever-popular "Housewives of (city/ state/county)" shows ARE NOT an factual representation of the women of America?
Mind. Blown! :explode:0 -
I believe more women in western society are agiant feminism than for feminism because they can see how sexiest feminism actually is.
I can't speak for anyone but myself but I see how sexist feminism is... just read HALF of what the troll posts!If feminism is done right it's not sexism. Not all people that call themselves feminists are the same. Obviously.
Times have changed. The issues that feminism deals with are not the same as they used to be. It's still important to have support in place where needed. And in many other parts of the world, women are not treated equally.
Yes, but I don't think this thread is referring to women in other parts of the world.
Mind you, I only know a handful of feminists and everything that they talk about leads BACK to the early 1900s.
With what issues (that feminists are "dealing with") are you referring?
I'm just speaking as someone that has been through sexual violence as a child and I work alongside women and men to continue helping with domestic and sexual violence, so in that context I see a lot of feminism and where it has helped and where it continues to help when these issues arise. But, I think we have made a ton of progress. And I also work along side people that do help in other countries for women's issues. I'm just not in any need to throw any allies away. But, we really do work as women and men for women and men. And for gaining support for other countries it is done through mobilizing girls in programs such as Because I am a Girl (as one of many examples).0 -
This was a joke, but as a woman, I too get frustrated with the stereotypes.
Women are catty
Women are too emotional
Women need to cook, clean, raise the kids,
Women need to cater to their males.
blah blah...
I am not catty. I am probably not emotional enough. I'm not married, but I do have a bf and I do NOT clean up after him and I won't. He can do that s*** himself just like I clean up after myself.
I am educated and have my own career, and although nothing is wrong with being a stay at home mom, that will not be happening. We will split our duties equally. I will take care of my future husband as long as he takes care of me I think it is important that both sexes "do their part" when it comes to making a relationship work. Whatever that is should be left up to them to decide. I think the stay at home mom thing was more common when men were in the workforce more and women didn't have decent jobs. Now that more women are getting their educations and entering the workforce, things have changed.
That being said, I make dinner for him all the time, and do other nice things for him. But I ain't no damn maid lol.
Oh look, more stereotypes!! Yesssss0 -
Faulty math.
The LOVE of money = root of all evil (not money itself)
Carry on.0 -
Maybe you need to date different women...
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I believe more women in western society are agiant feminism than for feminism because they can see how sexiest feminism actually is.
I can't speak for anyone but myself but I see how sexist feminism is... just read HALF of what the troll posts!If feminism is done right it's not sexism. Not all people that call themselves feminists are the same. Obviously.
Times have changed. The issues that feminism deals with are not the same as they used to be. It's still important to have support in place where needed. And in many other parts of the world, women are not treated equally.
Yes, but I don't think this thread is referring to women in other parts of the world.
Mind you, I only know a handful of feminists and everything that they talk about leads BACK to the early 1900s.
With what issues (that feminists are "dealing with") are you referring?
I'm just speaking as someone that has been through sexual violence as a child and I work alongside women and men to continue helping with domestic and sexual violence, so in that context I see a lot of feminism and where it has helped and where it continues to help when these issues arise. But, I think we have made a ton of progress. And I also work along side people that do help in other countries for women's issues. I'm just not in any need to throw any allies away. But, we really do work as women and men for women and men. And for gaining support for other countries it is done through mobilizing girls in programs such as Because I am a Girl (as one of many examples).
what is "Because I am a Girl?"
I was involved in WISE (women in science and engineering) for awhile. That was such a wonderful experience working with little girls to improve their ability in science and math.0 -
With what issues (that feminists are "dealing with") are you referring?
Current issues that WOMEN are dealing with:
We still get paid, on average, less than men for doing the same job. $0.77 for every dollar a man gets.
Women are more likely to be valued on appearance than men. How many girls would rather be "hot" (i.e. do-able by men) than smart or successful?
Engineering and math fields are still only 15% women.
Women are still referred to as "crazy" when emotional.
The "women are catty and hate each other" jokes that pit woman against woman. Other women are not "competition" for men's attention which we might see if we were taught to care about things other than getting attention from men.
But like a previous poster pointed out, men also are held back by stereotypes and discrimination. Men are raised to be "tough" and shut out their emotions, to stay away from "girly" fields like teaching, nursing or art.
But like I said, it's something to be aware of and try to make changes within our own lives. Arguing about it over the internet doesn't accomplish anything.0 -
I believe more women in western society are agiant feminism than for feminism because they can see how sexiest feminism actually is.
I can't speak for anyone but myself but I see how sexist feminism is... just read HALF of what the troll posts!If feminism is done right it's not sexism. Not all people that call themselves feminists are the same. Obviously.
Times have changed. The issues that feminism deals with are not the same as they used to be. It's still important to have support in place where needed. And in many other parts of the world, women are not treated equally.
Yes, but I don't think this thread is referring to women in other parts of the world.
Mind you, I only know a handful of feminists and everything that they talk about leads BACK to the early 1900s.
With what issues (that feminists are "dealing with") are you referring?
I'm just speaking as someone that has been through sexual violence as a child and I work alongside women and men to continue helping with domestic and sexual violence, so in that context I see a lot of feminism and where it has helped and where it continues to help when these issues arise. But, I think we have made a ton of progress. And I also work along side people that do help in other countries for women's issues. I'm just not in any need to throw any allies away. But, we really do work as women and men for women and men. And for gaining support for other countries it is done through mobilizing girls in programs such as Because I am a Girl (as one of many examples).
what is "Because I am a Girl?"
I was involved in WISE (women in science and engineering) for awhile. That was such a wonderful experience working with little girls to improve their ability in science and math.
That one is through Plan international. http://becauseiamagirl.ca/ (this is in Canada)
That wise program sounds great!0 -
With what issues (that feminists are "dealing with") are you referring?
Current issues that WOMEN are dealing with:
We still get paid, on average, less than men for doing the same job. $0.77 for every dollar a man gets.
Women are more likely to be valued on appearance than men. How many girls would rather be "hot" (i.e. do-able by men) than smart or successful?
Engineering and math fields are still only 15% women.
Women are still referred to as "crazy" when emotional.
The "women are catty and hate each other" jokes that pit woman against woman. Other women are not "competition" for men's attention which we might see if we were taught to care about things other than getting attention from men.
But like a previous poster pointed out, men also are held back by stereotypes and discrimination. Men are raised to be "tough" and shut out their, emotions, to stay away from "girly" fields like teaching, nursing or art.
But like I said, it's something to be aware of and try to make changes within our own lives. Arguing about it over the internet doesn't accomplish anything.
Thanks for explaining this.0 -
With what issues (that feminists are "dealing with") are you referring?
Current issues that WOMEN are dealing with:
We still get paid, on average, less than men for doing the same job. $0.77 for every dollar a man gets.
Women are more likely to be valued on appearance than men. How many girls would rather be "hot" (i.e. do-able by men) than smart or successful?
Engineering and math fields are still only 15% women.
Women are still referred to as "crazy" when emotional.
The "women are catty and hate each other" jokes that pit woman against woman. Other women are not "competition" for men's attention which we might see if we were taught to care about things other than getting attention from men.
But like a previous poster pointed out, men also are held back by stereotypes and discrimination. Men are raised to be "tough" and shut out their, emotions, to stay away from "girly" fields like teaching, nursing or art.
But like I said, it's something to be aware of and try to make changes within our own lives. Arguing about it over the internet doesn't accomplish anything.
Yeah, awareness is what is key here. Not blatant hosility.0 -
With what issues (that feminists are "dealing with") are you referring?
Current issues that WOMEN are dealing with:
We still get paid, on average, less than men for doing the same job. $0.77 for every dollar a man gets.
Women are more likely to be valued on appearance than men. How many girls would rather be "hot" (i.e. do-able by men) than smart or successful?
Engineering and math fields are still only 15% women.
Women are still referred to as "crazy" when emotional.
The "women are catty and hate each other" jokes that pit woman against woman. Other women are not "competition" for men's attention which we might see if we were taught to care about things other than getting attention from men.
But like a previous poster pointed out, men also are held back by stereotypes and discrimination. Men are raised to be "tough" and shut out their emotions, to stay away from "girly" fields like teaching, nursing or art.
But like I said, it's something to be aware of and try to make changes within our own lives. Arguing about it over the internet doesn't accomplish anything.
Actually if you come to the table with a valid points like you have, it makes people think. Unlike Determined_erin's approach which was to call men "stupid" right of the bat and continue to belittle everyone's points, that doesn't accomplish anything. Makes me just want her to make me a sammich... :-)0 -
so so so true:laugh:
I know this is supposed to be a silly thread, but this is one of my least favorite stereotypes so I want to counter it. I organize a women's policy conference and am part of many workgroups, volunteer organizations, and research teams that are made up of almost entirely women. The hallmarks of all of these groups: awesome problem solving, mutual support, and teamwork. IMHO, any woman who thinks women "hate eachother" should look at what she herself is putting out into the world.
I cant even comment on this....I love women-and I love my friends-but sweetie-if you think for once second a girl will say she loves you on second and then tell your other friend what a ***** you are-then I don't know-maybe you need to watch a little more Real Housewives?
I'm not quite clear on what you were trying to say with this sentence, but I think you're implying that I am naive. I'm sure that some women in my networks dislike me, just as I don't like every woman I know. I also don't gossip or call them names, because I don't think those are productive ways to handle disagreements or personality conflicts. It is actually very possible to surround yourself with people who can communicate honestly and respect each other. I'm not sure how old you are, but I hope as you gain more life experience your social life will not resemble reality television. That sounds terrible.0 -
With what issues (that feminists are "dealing with") are you referring?
Current issues that WOMEN are dealing with:
We still get paid, on average, less than men for doing the same job. $0.77 for every dollar a man gets.
Women are more likely to be valued on appearance than men. How many girls would rather be "hot" (i.e. do-able by men) than smart or successful?
Engineering and math fields are still only 15% women.
Women are still referred to as "crazy" when emotional.
The "women are catty and hate each other" jokes that pit woman against woman. Other women are not "competition" for men's attention which we might see if we were taught to care about things other than getting attention from men.
But like a previous poster pointed out, men also are held back by stereotypes and discrimination. Men are raised to be "tough" and shut out their emotions, to stay away from "girly" fields like teaching, nursing or art.
But like I said, it's something to be aware of and try to make changes within our own lives. Arguing about it over the internet doesn't accomplish anything.
Actually if you come to the table with a valid points like you have, it makes people think. Unlike Determined_erin's approach which was to call men "stupid" right of the bat and continue to belittle everyone's points, that doesn't accomplish anything.
Yeah, I agree!!!0 -
I believe more women in western society are agiant feminism than for feminism because they can see how sexiest feminism actually is.
I can't speak for anyone but myself but I see how sexist feminism is... just read HALF of what the troll posts!If feminism is done right it's not sexism. Not all people that call themselves feminists are the same. Obviously.
Times have changed. The issues that feminism deals with are not the same as they used to be. It's still important to have support in place where needed. And in many other parts of the world, women are not treated equally.
Yes, but I don't think this thread is referring to women in other parts of the world.
Mind you, I only know a handful of feminists and everything that they talk about leads BACK to the early 1900s.
With what issues (that feminists are "dealing with") are you referring?
I'm just speaking as someone that has been through sexual violence as a child and I work alongside women and men to continue helping with domestic and sexual violence, so in that context I see a lot of feminism and where it has helped and where it continues to help when these issues arise. But, I think we have made a ton of progress. And I also work along side people that do help in other countries for women's issues. I'm just not in any need to throw any allies away. But, we really do work as women and men for women and men. And for gaining support for other countries it is done through mobilizing girls in programs such as Because I am a Girl (as one of many examples).
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I know this is supposed to be a silly thread, but this is one of my least favorite stereotypes so I want to counter it. I organize a women's policy conference and am part of many workgroups, volunteer organizations, and research teams that are made up of almost entirely women. The hallmarks of all of these groups: awesome problem solving, mutual support, and teamwork. IMHO, any woman who thinks women "hate eachother" should look at what she herself is putting out into the world.
Accurate.
The problem is that society plays with everyone's heads. Tells everyone that stereotyping is okay, and that it's not important for us to listen to problems (like the stereotypes in this thread) and listen to *each other*. Society tells men that it's okay to tell women to go make them a sandwich as a "joke." It's all ridiculous.
Innacurate.
I can joke about it without believing it. I can also take a joke without getting offended by it. Not everything is to be taken seriously.
Congratulations on not being offended by an offensive joke. The problem is that it reinforces that it's actually okay to treat women this way. Even if YOU wouldn't, others would and that makes those others think it's okay.0 -
With what issues (that feminists are "dealing with") are you referring?
Current issues that WOMEN are dealing with:
We still get paid, on average, less than men for doing the same job. $0.77 for every dollar a man gets.
Women are more likely to be valued on appearance than men. How many girls would rather be "hot" (i.e. do-able by men) than smart or successful?
Engineering and math fields are still only 15% women.
Women are still referred to as "crazy" when emotional.
The "women are catty and hate each other" jokes that pit woman against woman. Other women are not "competition" for men's attention which we might see if we were taught to care about things other than getting attention from men.
But like a previous poster pointed out, men also are held back by stereotypes and discrimination. Men are raised to be "tough" and shut out their emotions, to stay away from "girly" fields like teaching, nursing or art.
But like I said, it's something to be aware of and try to make changes within our own lives. Arguing about it over the internet doesn't accomplish anything.
The issues that men face are also a result of the patriarchy. It works against everyone.0 -
With what issues (that feminists are "dealing with") are you referring?
Current issues that WOMEN are dealing with:
We still get paid, on average, less than men for doing the same job. $0.77 for every dollar a man gets.
Women are more likely to be valued on appearance than men. How many girls would rather be "hot" (i.e. do-able by men) than smart or successful?
Engineering and math fields are still only 15% women.
Women are still referred to as "crazy" when emotional.
The "women are catty and hate each other" jokes that pit woman against woman. Other women are not "competition" for men's attention which we might see if we were taught to care about things other than getting attention from men.
But like a previous poster pointed out, men also are held back by stereotypes and discrimination. Men are raised to be "tough" and shut out their, emotions, to stay away from "girly" fields like teaching, nursing or art.
But like I said, it's something to be aware of and try to make changes within our own lives. Arguing about it over the internet doesn't accomplish anything.
Yes women get paid less then men when you dont factor in hours worked, time off to raise children, and the fields women tend to go in pay less. In our society we have freedom, there is no one stoping anyone into going in fields like engineering except themselfs. So saying women get paid $0.77 to every doller a man makes is a half truth, a half truth is just as bad as a lie. To skew information in favor of your argument is very bias.0 -
We're much too complex for any man to understand.
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With what issues (that feminists are "dealing with") are you referring?
Current issues that WOMEN are dealing with:
We still get paid, on average, less than men for doing the same job. $0.77 for every dollar a man gets.
Women are more likely to be valued on appearance than men. How many girls would rather be "hot" (i.e. do-able by men) than smart or successful?
Engineering and math fields are still only 15% women.
Women are still referred to as "crazy" when emotional.
The "women are catty and hate each other" jokes that pit woman against woman. Other women are not "competition" for men's attention which we might see if we were taught to care about things other than getting attention from men.
But like a previous poster pointed out, men also are held back by stereotypes and discrimination. Men are raised to be "tough" and shut out their, emotions, to stay away from "girly" fields like teaching, nursing or art.
But like I said, it's something to be aware of and try to make changes within our own lives. Arguing about it over the internet doesn't accomplish anything.
Yes women get paid less then men when you dont factor in hours worked, time off to raise children, and the fields women tend to go in pay less. In our society we have freedom, there is no one stoping anyone into going in fields like engineering except themselfs. So saying women get paid $0.77 to every doller a man makes is a half truth, a half truth is just as bad as a lie. To skew information in favor of your argument is very bias.
The whole getting paid .77 on the dollar is for doing the exact same job, not a lower paying career0 -
With what issues (that feminists are "dealing with") are you referring?
Current issues that WOMEN are dealing with:
We still get paid, on average, less than men for doing the same job. $0.77 for every dollar a man gets.
Women are more likely to be valued on appearance than men. How many girls would rather be "hot" (i.e. do-able by men) than smart or successful?
Engineering and math fields are still only 15% women.
Women are still referred to as "crazy" when emotional.
The "women are catty and hate each other" jokes that pit woman against woman. Other women are not "competition" for men's attention which we might see if we were taught to care about things other than getting attention from men.
But like a previous poster pointed out, men also are held back by stereotypes and discrimination. Men are raised to be "tough" and shut out their, emotions, to stay away from "girly" fields like teaching, nursing or art.
But like I said, it's something to be aware of and try to make changes within our own lives. Arguing about it over the internet doesn't accomplish anything.
Yes women get paid less then men when you dont factor in hours worked, time off to raise children, and the fields women tend to go in pay less. In our society we have freedom, there is no one stoping anyone into going in fields like engineering except themselfs. So saying women get paid $0.77 to every doller a man makes is a half truth, a half truth is just as bad as a lie. To skew information in favor of your argument is very bias.
See? And apparently some men would rather be "hot" than smart too.... 0 -
With what issues (that feminists are "dealing with") are you referring?
Current issues that WOMEN are dealing with:
We still get paid, on average, less than men for doing the same job. $0.77 for every dollar a man gets.
Women are more likely to be valued on appearance than men. How many girls would rather be "hot" (i.e. do-able by men) than smart or successful?
Engineering and math fields are still only 15% women.
Women are still referred to as "crazy" when emotional.
The "women are catty and hate each other" jokes that pit woman against woman. Other women are not "competition" for men's attention which we might see if we were taught to care about things other than getting attention from men.
But like a previous poster pointed out, men also are held back by stereotypes and discrimination. Men are raised to be "tough" and shut out their, emotions, to stay away from "girly" fields like teaching, nursing or art.
But like I said, it's something to be aware of and try to make changes within our own lives. Arguing about it over the internet doesn't accomplish anything.
Yes women get paid less then men when you dont factor in hours worked, time off to raise children, and the fields women tend to go in pay less. In our society we have freedom, there is no one stoping anyone into going in fields like engineering except themselfs. So saying women get paid $0.77 to every doller a man makes is a half truth, a half truth is just as bad as a lie. To skew information in favor of your argument is very bias.
The whole getting paid .77 on the dollar is for doing the exact same job, not a lower paying career
If that were true, then why would employers not just hire women if they can save over 20%? What you stated is not valid or correct.0 -
With what issues (that feminists are "dealing with") are you referring?
Current issues that WOMEN are dealing with:
We still get paid, on average, less than men for doing the same job. $0.77 for every dollar a man gets.
Women are more likely to be valued on appearance than men. How many girls would rather be "hot" (i.e. do-able by men) than smart or successful?
Engineering and math fields are still only 15% women.
Women are still referred to as "crazy" when emotional.
The "women are catty and hate each other" jokes that pit woman against woman. Other women are not "competition" for men's attention which we might see if we were taught to care about things other than getting attention from men.
But like a previous poster pointed out, men also are held back by stereotypes and discrimination. Men are raised to be "tough" and shut out their, emotions, to stay away from "girly" fields like teaching, nursing or art.
But like I said, it's something to be aware of and try to make changes within our own lives. Arguing about it over the internet doesn't accomplish anything.
Yes women get paid less then men when you dont factor in hours worked, time off to raise children, and the fields women tend to go in pay less. In our society we have freedom, there is no one stoping anyone into going in fields like engineering except themselfs. So saying women get paid $0.77 to every doller a man makes is a half truth, a half truth is just as bad as a lie. To skew information in favor of your argument is very bias.
The whole getting paid .77 on the dollar is for doing the exact same job, not a lower paying career
If that were true, then why would employers not just hire women if they can save over 20%? What you stated is not valid or correct.
LOL, OK0
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