Santa!?!?! I hate the lie!
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My son is 2 and not quite understanding Santa yet, but by golly is he seeing him everywhere just now! He calls everything to do with Christmas a "snowman" which is adorable. I will start introducing Santa next year when he understands a bit better. What I will do though, is explain to him that the big presents he wants, santa cant make and I will have to get them for him.
He also thinks there is a tiger in the bushes in the garden, am I supposed to tell him there isnt? He will figure it out for himself when he is ready.
Everyone has the right to raise their child the way they see fit. We arent all going to agree. I personally love the idea of Santa, Im an atheist so I am so hypocritical of every christmas but I dont care.0 -
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Is that so?Tell him the truth. My mom did, and I learned to appreciate Christmas for the family time and spirit of generosity. I'm going to do the same for mine.
So true! My kids understand and appreciate Christmas, whereas the ones that get told the Santa lie, end up believing that Christmas is all about presents.
That has been my observations over the years. My kids are now observing the same with their classmates in high school.
Gimme, gimme, mine, mine...
LOL Just as one day of eating at Thanksgiving did not make anyone on MFP fat, one day of gift giving by Santa did not make any child self-centered and greedy. It is more in the day to day parenting that is done in homes to produce such children.
Stop it. That makes too much sense.0 -
Sometimes being a good parent means lying to them.
My kids still believe. I love that Christmas is magical to them. Believing in santa doesn't mean you don’t teach them the meaning of Christmas though.
Another crock!
Love = honesty
So you have never fibbed in any way shape or form to your kids?
Gold Star.
No, I have never needed to lie to my kids. Lie about what? Why should i?0 -
you can do what you want, but please stop insulting others who do things differently.
I will never agree with that!Sometimes being a good parent means lying to them.
My kids still believe. I love that Christmas is magical to them. Believing in santa doesn't mean you don’t teach them the meaning of Christmas though.
You are in for a tough road ahead then.
Nope, not so tough. My kids are nearly grown, and have told us that they love the fact that they can know that we will always be honest with them. I feel sorry for kids whose parents lie to them for their own convenience. Screw that.
Our teens have an open and honest relationship. Since we have always been honest with them, they are free now to be honest with us, even on tough issues like sex/drugs. Being a liar is no good for long term relationships.
I have the same exact relationship with my kids, regardless of Santa. I find it so strange that you would equate that one tradition with how anyone's kids turn out.
It's not just about Santa, but about a pattern of telling lies.
You can be honest with your kids outside of the Santa myth, especially if your kids are still little. But if you continue to try to lie to them when they know better, and/or you lie about other things outside of Christmas, then you will struggle with them when they become teens.
You seem to be projecting something from your personal life onto this Santa debate.0 -
I have a 19-year-old college sophomore daughter. She and her friends grew up with Santa. They are the sweetest, most giving, unselfish children I know.
Is that so?Tell him the truth. My mom did, and I learned to appreciate Christmas for the family time and spirit of generosity. I'm going to do the same for mine.
So true! My kids understand and appreciate Christmas, whereas the ones that get told the Santa lie, end up believing that Christmas is all about presents.
That has been my observations over the years. My kids are now observing the same with their classmates in high school.
Gimme, gimme, mine, mine...
LOL Just as one day of eating at Thanksgiving did not make anyone on MFP fat, one day of gift giving by Santa did not make any child self-centered and greedy. It is more in the day to day parenting that is done in homes to produce such children.
Stop it. That makes too much sense.
Sounds like you know a lot of kids with bad parents.0 -
you can do what you want, but please stop insulting others who do things differently.
I will never agree with that!Sometimes being a good parent means lying to them.
My kids still believe. I love that Christmas is magical to them. Believing in santa doesn't mean you don’t teach them the meaning of Christmas though.
You are in for a tough road ahead then.
Nope, not so tough. My kids are nearly grown, and have told us that they love the fact that they can know that we will always be honest with them. I feel sorry for kids whose parents lie to them for their own convenience. Screw that.
Our teens have an open and honest relationship. Since we have always been honest with them, they are free now to be honest with us, even on tough issues like sex/drugs. Being a liar is no good for long term relationships.
I have the same exact relationship with my kids, regardless of Santa. I find it so strange that you would equate that one tradition with how anyone's kids turn out.
It's not just about Santa, but about a pattern of telling lies.
You can be honest with your kids outside of the Santa myth, especially if your kids are still little. But if you continue to try to lie to them when they know better, and/or you lie about other things outside of Christmas, then you will struggle with them when they become teens.
You should probably write a book and make millions since you have everything figured out and like to present it as fact.
And answer my question about the cheating husband please
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take your own advice.Sometimes being a good parent means lying to them.
My kids still believe. I love that Christmas is magical to them. Believing in santa doesn't mean you don’t teach them the meaning of Christmas though.
Another crock!
Love = honesty
Disagree! There are adult things that children should NOT be exposed to. I believe lying is at times necessary to protect them.
Protecting little ones is NOT the same as telling them lies. Don't be absurd.0 -
Sometimes being a good parent means lying to them.
My kids still believe. I love that Christmas is magical to them. Believing in santa doesn't mean you don’t teach them the meaning of Christmas though.
Another crock!
Love = honesty
That is a rather simplistic view of love. While love means honesty, it also means nuture, protection, teaching, and allowing your children to figure things out for themselves.
Get over yourself.
You can do all of those things without blatantly lying.
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Kids enjoy believing in Santa. Why take that away?
Yep. My youngest is still there...0 -
My daughter is 25 and I still wait until she is asleep on Christmas eve to fill the stockings, (even mine) I always put one extra little surprise in there 'from Santa' - I know she doesn't 'believe' in Santa. But she believes in the spirit of Christmas. Which I think is a good thing. 0
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What is this, www.newmoms.com?
Raise your kids however you want, they are still going to end up in the fast food business.
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Personally I cannot stand what Christmas has become. I hate hearing about all the drama between people who celebrate and people who don't. I hate that so many people just have turned it into a meaningless retail free for all.
I wish that there was a stronger focus on being with your family and friends, and just loving each other and enjoying their company, less focus on buy buy buy.
This X1000!
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Yes Virginia...
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There are times to withhold detales but I feel there is never a Reason to lie.Sometimes being a good parent means lying to them.
My kids still believe. I love that Christmas is magical to them. Believing in santa doesn't mean you don’t teach them the meaning of Christmas though.
Another crock!
Love = honesty
Disagree! There are adult things that children should NOT be exposed to. I believe lying is at times necessary to protect them.
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So my oldest is 3 and asked me about Santa and Christmas. I told him the basic crap that everyone spews and I hate myself for it! Wh does he need to believe in Santa just to have it crushed later in life? Why set them up for disappointment later in life. Am I a bad mom because I don't want to perpetuate this myth?
Thoughts please.
It's not about "Santa." It's about believing in the magic of the season. Tell him whatever you want, but remember that if you tell him Santa's not real he'll likely tell all his friends. Then you'll have to deal with their parents. Read "The Autobiography of Santa Claus" as told to Jeff Guinn. It's amazing, and set up to be read a chapter a day from December 1 to December 24....0 -
I was probably 5 years old when I decided it was impossible for Santa to be real and it didn't bother me at all. I thought it was fun to play along and I didn't want to hurt my parent's feelings by letting them know that I knew better. It's even fun to pretend to believe. I liked the thought that my parents cared enough to buy my gifts and sneak downstairs in the middle of the night to put them under the tree for my brother and I. I eventually let on that I knew it was nonsense (probably around the age of 8) and my parents were relieved that they could just put the gifts out before they went to bed.
To each their own. If you don't want to do the Santa thing that's fine, it's your child I see no harm in letting kids know the truth
(bust maybe tell them it's a secret so they don't ruin it for other peoples kids).
I think that we're going to have Santa for a few years and then phase him out . Start putting from Mom and Dad on the gifts. I hope the kids will just get the point then and most likely won't be too upset. Heck they're still getting the gifts!0 -
Simple:
SANTA
SATAN
same letters, just switched around
#carryon #thatisall
The Word has no mention of this being so why is he a symbol for something that is supposed to commemorate the birth of the Messiah?
The Messiah was not even born during this time. It's Pagan traditions that point to some very evil means of celebration. Look it up.
The Word says merchants wax rich off of traditions of men.
People pay to take photos with Santa, buy Groupons to get packages/letters from Santa. Not to mention some people go into debt, depression, and willing to rob and steal in order to afford those Christmas "gifts".
It's all about one thing: money.
SATAN, I mean SANTA all you want.
As for me and my house, we will serve Yahueh...0 -
I want to be clear I don't see any problem with other families who enjoy the tradition and "magic", I just don't know if I want Santa part of my family tradition.0
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He has an active imagination and I believe it is not something that is hinged on me perpetuating a lie. Tell me how did inventions come about before tv taught us how to be creative? Sarcasm font*
Kids were allowed to believe in things like Snata Claus without being told every second that if you can't see it, it isn't real.
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My parents told us right from the beginning that there was no such thing as a Santa who came down chimneys and doled out gifts. I never suffered for it. In fact, I can honestly say that I liked knowing the truth.
Honestly, the only people it created trouble for were the parents of other kids who found out we didn't believe in Santa Claus.
I don't think there's a right or wrong answer to this. Go with your gut and make sure you talk to the kids' other parent if there is one in the picture.
Oh, and if you do tell them the truth, make sure they don't tell their friends. 0 -
I will never agree with that!Sometimes being a good parent means lying to them.
My kids still believe. I love that Christmas is magical to them. Believing in santa doesn't mean you don’t teach them the meaning of Christmas though.
You are in for a tough road ahead then.
Nope, not so tough. My kids are nearly grown, and have told us that they love the fact that they can know that we will always be honest with them. I feel sorry for kids whose parents lie to them for their own convenience. Screw that.
Our teens have an open and honest relationship. Since we have always been honest with them, they are free now to be honest with us, even on tough issues like sex/drugs. Being a liar is no good for long term relationships.
Let's be clear, I said protecting children from the truth isn't necessarily lying.
Let me ask you this....
If your parents would have gotten divorced when you were 3 years old cause your dad banged his secretary, and you asked your mother why they got divorced. Would you expect them to tell you "Because daddy banged the secretary?"
lmao
My parents are still happily married, and my husband and I are still happily married. Maybe honesty has something to do with it? *shrugs*0 -
It's not just about Santa, but about a pattern of telling lies.
You can be honest with your kids outside of the Santa myth, especially if your kids are still little. But if you continue to try to lie to them when they know better, and/or you lie about other things outside of Christmas, then you will struggle with them when they become teens.
You seem to be projecting something from your personal life onto this Santa debate.
I gotta agree here. Your starting to sound like the 12th juror in 12 Angry Men. I feel a breakthrough coming. Someone get the Kleenex and the hugs ready.0 -
I've told them the variety of reasons people celebrate at Christmas (Hanukkah)
Some years, Chanukah isn't even clsoe to Christmas.
Anyway, it isn't about ruining a holiday for your kids. It's about limiting their imaginations.
You're right, some years they aren't close together, I could have been more accurate and said Winter celebrations.
Either way, my kids know there is no Santa and they have awesome imaginations. I can't hold it over their heads that if they are naughty they won't get gifts and I wouldn't do that anyway. They know they act good because they can and it means we all are happier when we get along. Instead of talking about only a few aspects of the winter season and holidays we get to discuss and learn about them all. My kids have very active imaginations and still play Santa because they think it's a fun tradition (not because they think he's real).0 -
Santa is a tradition and folklore, that's all. If you want to deny them a piece of their heritage, that is fine. But it isn't any more wrong than celebrating any holiday or believing in a particular religion.0
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if he wasn't real, why would Buddy be torturing himself like this??? \m/
Fiction is fun, and often hilarious! Love "Elf!"0 -
You should go into politics.I am starting to think that everyone has different beliefs and ideas for parenting. This is not acceptable. Everyone needs to believe one thing and one way of doing that thing. If we can't come to an agreement, all we are going to get is more fighting.
Someone mock up a plan, we can submit it to MFP management, and they can post under a new forum -
Rules for Parenting - No exceptions allowed 0 -
you can do what you want, but please stop insulting others who do things differently.
I will never agree with that!Sometimes being a good parent means lying to them.
My kids still believe. I love that Christmas is magical to them. Believing in santa doesn't mean you don’t teach them the meaning of Christmas though.
You are in for a tough road ahead then.
Nope, not so tough. My kids are nearly grown, and have told us that they love the fact that they can know that we will always be honest with them. I feel sorry for kids whose parents lie to them for their own convenience. Screw that.
Our teens have an open and honest relationship. Since we have always been honest with them, they are free now to be honest with us, even on tough issues like sex/drugs. Being a liar is no good for long term relationships.
I have the same exact relationship with my kids, regardless of Santa. I find it so strange that you would equate that one tradition with how anyone's kids turn out.
It's not just about Santa, but about a pattern of telling lies.
You can be honest with your kids outside of the Santa myth, especially if your kids are still little. But if you continue to try to lie to them when they know better, and/or you lie about other things outside of Christmas, then you will struggle with them when they become teens.
OMG are you serious? Are you saying not telling kids about Santa will turn you into a chronic liar? Start at Christmas and next thing you know... the gateway drug... good lord!0 -
Gonna need to see studies on this, or are you touting opinion as fact?
I've told them the variety of reasons people celebrate at Christmas (Hanukkah)
Some years, Chanukah isn't even clsoe to Christmas.
Anyway, it isn't about ruining a holiday for your kids. It's about limiting their imaginations.
Just common sense.0 -
I will never agree with that!Sometimes being a good parent means lying to them.
My kids still believe. I love that Christmas is magical to them. Believing in santa doesn't mean you don’t teach them the meaning of Christmas though.
You are in for a tough road ahead then.
Nope, not so tough. My kids are nearly grown, and have told us that they love the fact that they can know that we will always be honest with them. I feel sorry for kids whose parents lie to them for their own convenience. Screw that.
Our teens have an open and honest relationship. Since we have always been honest with them, they are free now to be honest with us, even on tough issues like sex/drugs. Being a liar is no good for long term relationships.
Let's be clear, I said protecting children from the truth isn't necessarily lying.
Let me ask you this....
If your parents would have gotten divorced when you were 3 years old cause your dad banged his secretary, and you asked your mother why they got divorced. Would you expect them to tell you "Because daddy banged the secretary?"
lmao
My parents are still happily married, and my husband and I are still happily married. Maybe honesty has something to do with it? *shrugs*
That's the way to deflect the question...you got that nailed down.0 -
Well...99% of everything we are taught in school and churches is either an outright lie or based on as Mark Twain once said "Lies, damn lies and statistics. Our peculiar and shameful western civiliization and history in particular is, was and always will be based in and on FEAR, paganism/idolatry, lies, deception, denial and greed, wars, mass murders/genocide, slavery (real or debt/wage slavery) and cruelty and every evil work known to man and everything that have been told/taught and retold and passed down as truth in the name of history is most always "dressed up as" fun, progress, safety, harmlessness and built upon materialism, greed and deception--designed to benefit the few at the mental, emotional, spiritual, financial, physical deception and robbery of the many.
That said...it's up to YOU as the mother have the blessed "choice" to purposely decide to carry on the "tradition" of lies, hypocrisy, greed, materialism and YUCK in the name of "everyone is doing it or does it", keeping up with the Joneses, and buying into the lie and selling the truth. IF you choose to not go along with the "herd", then be prepared to be scorned, ridiculed, mocked, scoffed at and rejected. Ig loving and teaching your children THE TRUTH (in holidays/holy days, history, and life in general, in the name of TRUTH...just know that you shall be a rare and courageous person. If not, you certainly will NOT be alone, as you will have the masses not only back you...but applaud you as well.
John 8:32 "and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma - which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition.
Steve Jobs
Courage is grace under pressure. Ernest Hemingway
Courage is being scared to death... and saddling up anyway. John Wayne
The opposite for courage is not cowardice, it is conformity. Even a dead fish can go with the flow.
Jim Hightower0
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