Please explain low carbs and it's magical proprieties
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Most cultures skipped breakfast. And the hypothesis is that if you let you and your brain function in the fasting state that your hunger urges will change to where over time you will lose weight down to a normal level. Remember, hunger is not your body telling you it NEEDS food, it is the stomach telling you that it is empty. It is your maladapted brain that tells you to respond by immediately eating, or getting anxious when the stomach is empty.
:sad: 'Cause I have a maladaptive brain!
<---Seriously Stevo, the abs of a person who eats breakfast. Let's write a book and make TONS of money!
my whole life is maladapted
One central lesson is that the human body is in a constant state of change. All the time, the constituents of the body's tissue is being broken down and re-synthesized- but the time frame differs.
For fat, a complete turnover of all your fat happens over the course of a month or so.
So you can't look at yourself and shrug and say "Well, I've had this fat all my life and it's never going to go away."
The correct statement is "This is all new fat that my body has made over the past month."
The same goes for neural networks- the basis for how we think and act. They will change depending on what stimuli they are exposed to. They are in a constant state of renewal and reformation.
If you keep on doing the same stuff, they will get reinforced.
If you change what you do, the neural networks will change, depending on the stimuli.
That is how we learn and adapt.
Bottom line is that while you may be maladaptive in whatever sense you want it to be, you can change by changing behavior. Just like you lose weight by changing your eating patterns and behavior.
Nobody has to accept who they are.
The human body is marvelous like that.
I was being sarcastic...0 -
All my posts are responding to people who have erroneous ideas on weight loss and how metabolism and the body works.
Steve, if you want to respond to someone who has erroneous ideas on how the body works, STOP POSTING erroneous "information"!0 -
All my posts are responding to people who have erroneous ideas on weight loss and how metabolism and the body works.
Steve, if you want to respond to someone who has erroneous ideas on how the body works, STOP POSTING erroneous "information"!
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Most cultures skipped breakfast. And the hypothesis is that if you let you and your brain function in the fasting state that your hunger urges will change to where over time you will lose weight down to a normal level. Remember, hunger is not your body telling you it NEEDS food, it is the stomach telling you that it is empty. It is your maladapted brain that tells you to respond by immediately eating, or getting anxious when the stomach is empty.
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I know those that eat paleo diets can get by in very little. I admire them for their will power
and ability to create menus that work with so little carb!
Paleo is not necessarily low carb.
Yeah, lots of my paleo friends praise the sweet potato constantly. I keep telling them it's better with marshmallows, but they don't listen. :grumble:0 -
Yanicka :flowerforyou:
The magic behind low carb is that you cut 1/3 of your macros and therefore naturally your calories go down which results in weight loss. It's just that, nothing less nothing more.0 -
All my posts are responding to people who have erroneous ideas on weight loss and how metabolism and the body works.
Steve, if you want to respond to someone who has erroneous ideas on how the body works, STOP POSTING erroneous "information"!
LOL.
Ever hear of Guyton's Textbook of Medical Physiology?
It's all in there.
But let's elevate things.
Bring up something I have misfired on and let's have an intelligent discussion.
The honest folks who are dealing with weight issues who read these threads deserve it.
People have brought up subjects you have misfired on. Some you ignore. Others you resort to personal attacks in order to avoid a discussion.
You don't know what you are talking about when it comes to science, the scientific method, or what constitutes meaningful data.0 -
For fat, a complete turnover of all your fat happens over the course of a month or so.
As I (and Mr_Knight, among others) have said, this statement is SO UNTRUE!
The following is but one peer-reviewed article supporting my statement:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18454136
And there are plenty of others.
But it wouldn't matter.
Nothing that I say, nothing that Sarah says, nothing that ANYONE says will deter you because it seems that you wear blinders.
You will continue to prattle on with your conspiracy theories and "faux-science" no matter how many "Science Guys" and gals try to correct and educate you.
I think it's sad, really.0 -
OK Steve, thanks to Dame Piglet, here is one subject you misfired on. According to this peer reviewed published study, adipocite turnover is as follows:
" Approximately 10% of fat cells are renewed annually at all adult ages and levels of body mass index. "
Discuss please.0 -
All my posts are responding to people who have erroneous ideas on weight loss and how metabolism and the body works.
Steve, if you want to respond to someone who has erroneous ideas on how the body works, STOP POSTING erroneous "information"!
LOL.
Ever hear of Guyton's Textbook of Medical Physiology?
It's all in there.
But let's elevate things.
Bring up something I have misfired on and let's have an intelligent discussion.
The honest folks who are dealing with weight issues who read these threads deserve it.
People have brought up subjects you have misfired on. Some you ignore. Others you resort to personal attacks in order to avoid a discussion.
You don't know what you are talking about when it comes to science, the scientific method, or what constitutes meaningful data.
Yep.
Honest folks who are dealing with weight issues deserve to read this.0 -
Most cultures skipped breakfast. And the hypothesis is that if you let you and your brain function in the fasting state that your hunger urges will change to where over time you will lose weight down to a normal level. Remember, hunger is not your body telling you it NEEDS food, it is the stomach telling you that it is empty. It is your maladapted brain that tells you to respond by immediately eating, or getting anxious when the stomach is empty.
:sad: 'Cause I have a maladaptive brain!
<---Seriously Stevo, the abs of a person who eats breakfast. Let's write a book and make TONS of money!
my whole life is maladapted
One central lesson is that the human body is in a constant state of change. All the time, the constituents of the body's tissue is being broken down and re-synthesized- but the time frame differs.
For fat, a complete turnover of all your fat happens over the course of a month or so.
So you can't look at yourself and shrug and say "Well, I've had this fat all my life and it's never going to go away."
The correct statement is "This is all new fat that my body has made over the past month."
The same goes for neural networks- the basis for how we think and act. They will change depending on what stimuli they are exposed to. They are in a constant state of renewal and reformation.
If you keep on doing the same stuff, they will get reinforced.
If you change what you do, the neural networks will change, depending on the stimuli.
That is how we learn and adapt.
Bottom line is that while you may be maladaptive in whatever sense you want it to be, you can change by changing behavior. Just like you lose weight by changing your eating patterns and behavior.
Nobody has to accept who they are.
The human body is marvelous like that.
In for more crackpot ideas.
Fat turnover does not occur in a month.
https://www.llnl.gov/news/newsreleases/2011/Sep/NR-11-09-04.html0 -
OK Steve, thanks to Dame Piglet, here is one subject you misfired on. According to this peer reviewed published study, adipocite turnover is as follows:
" Approximately 10% of fat cells are renewed annually at all adult ages and levels of body mass index. "
Discuss please.
And suddenly Steve falls silent...0 -
But....I dont get it......you bothered?????Not going to bother..... do your own research and TRY it if you are so inclined.0 -
Adipose tissue turnover is a well-described phenomenon. Turns over in about three weeks.This right here makes me not want to read the book. :noway:0
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OK Steve, thanks to Dame Piglet, here is one subject you misfired on. According to this peer reviewed published study, adipocite turnover is as follows:
" Approximately 10% of fat cells are renewed annually at all adult ages and levels of body mass index. "
Discuss please.
And suddenly Steve falls silent...
I'm thinking no, no he does not.0 -
Anytime Steve posts from now on, I will keep referring him back to our posts where we are asking him to discuss his misfire. It probably won't shut him up, but it might slow his roll just a little. But then again, I am an optimist.0
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Anytime Steve posts from now on, I will keep referring him back to our posts where we are asking him to discuss his misfire. It probably won't shut him up, but it might slow his roll just a little. But then again, I am an optimist.
I wish I could be so optimistic.
I once urged him to stop telling people (young women who did not list anything - not weight, not height, etc, in particular) to just "ignore their hunger" because "they have enough body fat currently to live off of for months", to no avail.
Because, of course, it's "unlikely that someone has an eating disorder."
Really? Unlikely that someone on MFP has an eating disorder??? :noway:
He went into the whole "I'm just educating people" speech.
'Cause, you know, the book is all the education anyone could ever need! We're all here for the same thing!0 -
Personally, I would not worry too much about it. I would however, encourage eating "good" carbs. For example, fruit. Love it but has a lot of carbs. But, I also don't know anyone who got fat from eating too many apples!0
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That is the trouble with the internet.
People don't know what they don't know.
There is a difference between fat CELLS and the fat MOLECULES, called triclycerides that make up what is inside the fat cell.
The fat cell itself is a modified fibroblast.
If it does not contain any triglycerides, then it will be small. If has to serve as a storage depot for triglycerides, then it will swell to over fifty times it size.
The fat cells are a relative constant, though, as a said in a previous post, all cells are in a constant state of turnover. The turnover for fat cells may indeed be 10 percent a year. I would have to double check. Sounds reasonable.
But the turnover of the triclycerides, the total stored in the fat cells, are less than three months.
The triglycerides are constantly being broken down into glycerol and free fatty acids in a 1:3 ratio, transported back to the liver, reformulated, broken down again in the liver, released into the serum, and picked up by the adipose tissue cells, which repackage them as triglycerides and store them.
If the FFA and glycerol are needed for fuel, then the muscle cells will pick them and the total supply will drop.
Basic metabolism and physiology.
In Guyton's.
And all of this is in that book that you dismissed so smugly after reading the freebie ten pages on Kindle.
So, not to be petty, that is the problem here. People don't realize how complicated the human body is.
I am still concerned about your hostility.
Where does it come from?
What is your background?
My background is (among other things) that I'm literate.
You are trying to change what you said.
People do not need medical books or jargon to lose weight. They don't need to understand how 'complicated the human body is'.
They DON'T need to skip breakfast. They DON'T need to read that book you keep trying to sell. They DON'T need to listen to you give bad advice.0 -
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That is the trouble with the internet.
People don't know what they don't know.
There is a difference between fat CELLS and the fat MOLECULES, called triclycerides that make up what is inside the fat cell.
The fat cell itself is a modified fibroblast.
If it does not contain any triglycerides, then it will be small. If has to serve as a storage depot for triglycerides, then it will swell to over fifty times it size.
The fat cells are a relative constant, though, as a said in a previous post, all cells are in a constant state of turnover. The turnover for fat cells may indeed be 10 percent a year. I would have to double check. Sounds reasonable.
But the turnover of the triclycerides, the total stored in the fat cells, are less than three months.
The triglycerides are constantly being broken down into glycerol and free fatty acids in a 1:3 ratio, transported back to the liver, reformulated, broken down again in the liver, released into the serum, and picked up by the adipose tissue cells, which repackage them as triglycerides and store them.
If the FFA and glycerol are needed for fuel, then the muscle cells will pick them and the total supply will drop.
Basic metabolism and physiology.
In Guyton's.
And all of this is in that book that you dismissed so smugly after reading the freebie ten pages on Kindle.
So, not to be petty, that is the problem here. People don't realize how complicated the human body is.
I am still concerned about your hostility.
Where does it come from?
What is your background?
You initially said fat Steve. Stop trying to move the goal posts. Fatty acids come from fat stores (fat cells).
I am a research scientist who gets very annoyed with someone pretending to have a science background who speaks with authority on subjects he knows nothing about.
Please address your misstep when you said that complete adipocyte turnover occurs every month.
In fact we KNOW this is untrue, because of studies done on DDT and how the body stores it in fat cells. And it is only when the fat is utilized by the body, that the toxin is released into the blood stream.0 -
Adipose tissue turnover is a well-described phenomenon. Turns over in about three weeks.
This is a complete fantasy, as even a rudimentary understanding of human metabolism would demonstrate. An average human being would have to consume 5000 calories per day ABOVE AND BEYOND all their other energy needs to make that happen.
I have no idea where you have gotten this preposterous notion, but that is exactly what it is - preposterous.0 -
But the turnover of the triclycerides, the total stored in the fat cells, are less than three months.
Now your claim has gone from three weeks to three months? I see.
It's still wrong.
The correct answer is 18-24 months. And that timeframe gets longer as obesity goes up. Fat cells turn over about every 10 years (for non-obese persons), fat cell contents turn over about six times as fast (for non-obese persons).0 -
It works by restoring your natural appetite. Do you remember when you were a kid and your were outside playing and your mom had to make you come in to eat? Once you sat down and started eating you realized you were starving and ate until your were full and then stopped eating and didn't eat again until you were hungry. Eating a high carb/sugar diet (I'm assuming that was the cause, I don't actually know) threw that normal appetite out of whack. I was constantly eating because I was always hungry. Even if I wasn't physically hungry I had an anxious, I-need-to-eat type of feeling that is horrible so you eat to make it go away but you never really get full. So of course you're going to pack on the pounds.I need it explained in simple terms from those who swear by it. I feel like a moron but I really do not understand how you can lose faster than just a calories deficit and I am not talking about glycogen or water weight. My friend is doing it but is unable to explain how it work lol
Thank you
The usual reason given for that is that it's all in your head. They call you an "emotional eater" and tell you you have to figure out what feelings your stuffing down with food. And then there's all the tricks -- journal how you're feeling when you ate, put your fork down between each bite, drink a glass of water before each meal... the list goes on and on.
Guess what? In a matter of three or four weeks eating a low carb, high fat diet all of that went away and I have a normal appetite again for the first time in years. I get hungry, I eat and then I'm satisfied and don't eat again until I'm hungry. I can not even describe how it feels to go from being constantly hungry to having a normal appetite again. I believe at the time I used the word miraculous to describe it and I still feel that way.
I don't know the biological mechanisms for why this happens but it is real. I lose weight because of a calories deficit, of course, but that is not really the reason why a low carb diet works for me. It works because it fixes the underlying cause for why I was over eating in the first place.
This was my experience as well. Eating a low carb diet doesn't mean you can magically eat more calories, it means that if you are someone whose blood sugar gets out of whack after consuming carbs, if you cut back you will find yourself eating less calories without as much effort, which would then help weight loss.0 -
...that's why protein is so filling, because it spikes insulin.
Also, I'm not sure that's correct...when I was diagnosed with hypoglycemia, my GP told me to make sure I ate protein frequently, particularly when also eating sweets, specifically to counter-act the sugar and make sure my insulin DIDN'T spike. She said the protein would keep my blood sugar more level, and my insulin levels lower.
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...that's why protein is so filling, because it spikes insulin.
Also, I'm not sure that's correct...when I was diagnosed with hypoglycemia, my GP told me to make sure I ate protein frequently, particularly when also eating sweets, specifically to counter-act the sugar and make sure my insulin DIDN'T spike. She said the protein would keep my blood sugar more level, and my insulin levels lower.
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High protein, virtually no-carb foods like meat and eggs, while low on the glycemic index, measured high on the insulin index
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/insulin-index/#ixzz2n6L9d2SZ0 -
In for more crackpot ideas.
Fat turnover does not occur in a month.
https://www.llnl.gov/news/newsreleases/2011/Sep/NR-11-09-04.html
My fat turns over every night when I lay down to sleep.0 -
In for more crackpot ideas.
Fat turnover does not occur in a month.
https://www.llnl.gov/news/newsreleases/2011/Sep/NR-11-09-04.html
My fat turns over every night when I lay down to sleep.
Does he snore?0 -
My fat turns over every night when I lay down to sleep.
Does he snore?
BEST 2 quotes of the thread. Maybe the day.
Bravo, you two. Bravo! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:0 -
That is the trouble with the internet.
People don't know what they don't know.
There is a difference between fat CELLS and the fat MOLECULES, called triclycerides that make up what is inside the fat cell.
The fat cell itself is a modified fibroblast.
If it does not contain any triglycerides, then it will be small. If has to serve as a storage depot for triglycerides, then it will swell to over fifty times it size.
The fat cells are a relative constant, though, as a said in a previous post, all cells are in a constant state of turnover. The turnover for fat cells may indeed be 10 percent a year. I would have to double check. Sounds reasonable.
But the turnover of the triclycerides, the total stored in the fat cells, are less than three months.
The triglycerides are constantly being broken down into glycerol and free fatty acids in a 1:3 ratio, transported back to the liver, reformulated, broken down again in the liver, released into the serum, and picked up by the adipose tissue cells, which repackage them as triglycerides and store them.
If the FFA and glycerol are needed for fuel, then the muscle cells will pick them and the total supply will drop.
Basic metabolism and physiology.
In Guyton's.
And all of this is in that book that you dismissed so smugly after reading the freebie ten pages on Kindle.
So, not to be petty, that is the problem here. People don't realize how complicated the human body is.
I am still concerned about your hostility.
Where does it come from?
What is your background?
You initially said fat Steve. Stop trying to move the goal posts. Fatty acids come from fat stores (fat cells).
I am a research scientist who gets very annoyed with someone pretending to have a science background who speaks with authority on subjects he knows nothing about.
Please address your misstep when you said that complete adipocyte turnover occurs every month.
In fact we KNOW this is untrue, because of studies done on DDT and how the body stores it in fat cells. And it is only when the fat is utilized by the body, that the toxin is released into the blood stream.
Not 3 weeks and not less than three months. Steve I continues to post whatever....
Let's see what the link I posted earlier actually says.New research in the Sept. 25 online edition of the journal Nature shows that the turnover (storage and loss rate) of fat in the human body is about 1 1/2 years compared to fat cells, which turnover about every 10 years, according to Bruce Buchholz of Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and one of the authors of the report. See the movie for a description.
And while the turnover rate of fat is on average 1 1/2 years for normal weight people, the news is worse for the obese -- the fat removal rate from fat tissue decreases and the amount of fat stored each year increases. In contrast, fat storage and removal rates balance in non-obese people for no net increase in fat.
"There is a slower output of fat in obese people in this study," Buchholz said. "The fat is on average 2 years old compared to 1 1/2 years."
The team, which included researchers from Karolinska University Hospital, University of Lyon, Uppsala University, University of Vienna, RIKEN Yokohama Institute, Technische Universit Munich, Churchill Hospital and the Karolinska Institute, applied carbon dating to fat content found within subcutaneous adipose tissue, the major fat depot for humans.
Carbon dating is typically used in archaeology and paleontology to date the age of artifacts. However, in this application, the scientists used the pulse of radiocarbon to analyze the age of fat and how fast it turns over in humans.
Radiocarbon or carbon-14 is naturally produced by cosmic ray interactions with air and is present at low levels in the atmosphere and food. Its concentration remained relatively constant during the past 4,000 years, but atmospheric testing of nuclear weapons from 1950-1963 produced a global pulse in the amount of radiocarbon in the atmosphere, Buchholz said.
Since the nuclear test ban treaty, the amount of carbon 14 in the atmosphere has decreased significantly. The carbon 14 diffuses out of the atmosphere and oxidizes to form carbon dioxide, which is taken up by plants. Since we eat plants or animals that live off of plants, the carbon 14 content in the atmosphere is directly mirrored in the human body.
Earlier research by Buchholz and colleagues at the Karolinska Institute showed that the number of fat cells in a human's body, whether lean or obese, is established during the teenage years. Changes in fat mass in adulthood can be attributed mainly to changes in fat cell volume, not an increase in the actual number of fat cells.
The new study found that fat, on average, is replaced six times during the life span of the 10-year fat cell, enabling a dynamic regulation of fat storage and movement over time.
"We found that a combination of high storage and low fat removal rates, as in obesity, facilitates fat accumulation within fatty tissue," Buchholz said. "This promotes the development or maintenance of excess body fat mass."0
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