How to measure calories of Haagen Dazs ice cream?
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I think it's highly arrogant. Taking someone elses work, knocking it off and passing it as her own? That "meet your protein needs, then your fat." yada yada yada is from Lyle Mcdonald...
It's called plagiarism.
Where do I say 'meet your protein needs then your fat'?
Also, the concept of macros is not unique to Lyle...at all. If you think that you need to accuse a whole bunch of people in the nutrition field.
I am not going to say bad reading comprehension, which you have a tendency to say to people for the reasons listed previously.
How do you set up macros or calorie intake for someone?
Oh my lawdy....you clarified AFTER you posted your accusation.
Also, why don't you actually address my comment rather than casting accusations at me...for once.
Bolded implies you don't do that. So I am asking what do you do then? Since you imply you don't do that.0 -
I think it's highly arrogant. Taking someone elses work, knocking it off and passing it as her own? That "meet your protein needs, then your fat." yada yada yada is from Lyle Mcdonald...
It's called plagiarism.
Where do I say 'meet your protein needs then your fat'?
Also, the concept of macros is not unique to Lyle...at all. If you think that you need to accuse a whole bunch of people in the nutrition field.
I am not going to say bad reading comprehension, which you have a tendency to say to people for the reasons listed previously.
How do you set up macros or calorie intake for someone?
Oh my lawdy....you clarified AFTER you posted your accusation.
Also, why don't you actually address my comment rather than casting accusations at me...for once.
Bolded implies you don't do that. So I am asking what do you do then? Since you imply you don't do that.
And I am asking you where you saw this. You were the one that made that assertion. Back up your claim rather than making false accusations like you have been the whole way through this thread.0 -
Srs. The term for variance is not "standard deviation". A "standard deviation" in a data set is found by taking the root of the average of the squared differences of the values from their average value.
One or two grams difference is not a "standard deviation". It is just variance; certainly not standard in any way, shape or form.
OH LET'S KEEP PLAYING!
:indifferent:
The coeffienct of variance means NOTHING with out the means. BOTH need to be reported to have any meaning.
What does that have to do with the fact that you tried to correct someone, rather pompously (and yes, I use that word IRL), and incorrectly?
Your external world is a reflection of your internal world.
Yes...the fact that I am English and was brought up with a certain vocabulary. Go you for figuring that out finally...
Oh, the irony.
Oh? Is that so. I don't think Sara is arrogant at all - her or her profile. Many will attest to how much she's helped them and that she lives by the advice that she gives.
P.S. I'd be more than willing to up my ice cream intake (as long as it fits in my calorie goals and macros) if that is the secret to getting an APA State Record for a 325lb deadlift. More. Than. Willing.
I think it's highly arrogant. Taking someone elses work, knocking it off and passing it as her own? That "meet your protein needs, then your fat." yada yada yada is from Lyle Mcdonald...
It's called plagiarism.
TIL that "Lyle" invented meet your macros, first protein, then fat.
Another book to add to your hundreds should be Beaton's 1964 treatise. Based on research from 1942. Not "Lyle". Sara is pretty damn good about sourcing.
It was popularized in the fitness community by Lyle. Before, people would use macro percentages. Sourcing? If you're talking about reading abstracts, that's terrible science.
You're right about that. Reading abstracts is terrible science. Stick around, you'll learn perhaps that it's one of the things I rail against (as does Sara). Also, I'd be really bad to know who popularized what in the fitness community - I'm not part of that, I prefer to go to source of research (it is what we scientist do).
Anyway, the articles that Sara has written on protein sourcing are sourced either to specific research or other web sources. Plagiarism it is not. Also, since she goes by her real name, is known to the community here, let me warn you that you are on shaky ground - it you wish to continue to attempt to besmirch her good name, you will likely get asked to leave. It is against site policy to do what you are doing in the last posts. Now, I'm not a mod but expect that mods will have been informed about your lowly tactics. That might pass on bb but rarely here.
She made many violations on forums topics when I have seen them. She has done it on this topic. Yet nothing happens to her. it's pretty sad actually. How the community is, filled with biases. I get it, she's a myfitnesspal.com favorite, I get that. The mods let her get away with stuff, that's very obvious.0 -
Srs. The term for variance is not "standard deviation". A "standard deviation" in a data set is found by taking the root of the average of the squared differences of the values from their average value.
One or two grams difference is not a "standard deviation". It is just variance; certainly not standard in any way, shape or form.
OH LET'S KEEP PLAYING!
:indifferent:
The coeffienct of variance means NOTHING with out the means. BOTH need to be reported to have any meaning.
What does that have to do with the fact that you tried to correct someone, rather pompously (and yes, I use that word IRL), and incorrectly?
Your external world is a reflection of your internal world.
Yes...the fact that I am English and was brought up with a certain vocabulary. Go you for figuring that out finally...
Oh, the irony.
Oh? Is that so. I don't think Sara is arrogant at all - her or her profile. Many will attest to how much she's helped them and that she lives by the advice that she gives.
P.S. I'd be more than willing to up my ice cream intake (as long as it fits in my calorie goals and macros) if that is the secret to getting an APA State Record for a 325lb deadlift. More. Than. Willing.
I think it's highly arrogant. Taking someone elses work, knocking it off and passing it as her own? That "meet your protein needs, then your fat." yada yada yada is from Lyle Mcdonald...
It's called plagiarism.
Dear Sir,
Your application to enroll in Professor Cocktail's lecture series has been denied. This university has certain standards of excellence to uphold, and while we appreciate the vigor of your application, the quality of the samples submitted do not meet the minimum threshold for acceptance. Nonetheless, there are other fine institutions that we are sure would welcome your contributions.
Good luck in all your future endeavors.0 -
Srs. The term for variance is not "standard deviation". A "standard deviation" in a data set is found by taking the root of the average of the squared differences of the values from their average value.
One or two grams difference is not a "standard deviation". It is just variance; certainly not standard in any way, shape or form.
OH LET'S KEEP PLAYING!
:indifferent:
The coeffienct of variance means NOTHING with out the means. BOTH need to be reported to have any meaning.
What does that have to do with the fact that you tried to correct someone, rather pompously (and yes, I use that word IRL), and incorrectly?
Your external world is a reflection of your internal world.
Yes...the fact that I am English and was brought up with a certain vocabulary. Go you for figuring that out finally...
Oh, the irony.
Oh? Is that so. I don't think Sara is arrogant at all - her or her profile. Many will attest to how much she's helped them and that she lives by the advice that she gives.
P.S. I'd be more than willing to up my ice cream intake (as long as it fits in my calorie goals and macros) if that is the secret to getting an APA State Record for a 325lb deadlift. More. Than. Willing.
I think it's highly arrogant. Taking someone elses work, knocking it off and passing it as her own? That "meet your protein needs, then your fat." yada yada yada is from Lyle Mcdonald...
It's called plagiarism.
TIL that "Lyle" invented meet your macros, first protein, then fat.
Another book to add to your hundreds should be Beaton's 1964 treatise. Based on research from 1942. Not "Lyle". Sara is pretty damn good about sourcing.
It was popularized in the fitness community by Lyle. Before, people would use macro percentages. Sourcing? If you're talking about reading abstracts, that's terrible science.
You're right about that. Reading abstracts is terrible science. Stick around, you'll learn perhaps that it's one of the things I rail against (as does Sara). Also, I'd be really bad to know who popularized what in the fitness community - I'm not part of that, I prefer to go to source of research (it is what we scientist do).
Anyway, the articles that Sara has written on protein sourcing are sourced either to specific research or other web sources. Plagiarism it is not. Also, since she goes by her real name, is known to the community here, let me warn you that you are on shaky ground - it you wish to continue to attempt to besmirch her good name, you will likely get asked to leave. It is against site policy to do what you are doing in the last posts. Now, I'm not a mod but expect that mods will have been informed about your lowly tactics. That might pass on bb but rarely here.
She made many violations on forums topics when I have seen them. She has done it on this topic. Yet nothing happens to her. it's pretty sad actually. How the community is, filled with biases. I get it, she's a myfitnesspal.com favorite, I get that. The mods let her get away with stuff, that's very obvious.
Where? Point me to them.
ETA: questioning mod actions is also a violation....just sayin'0 -
Is this what happens when an immovable object meets an irresistible force?0
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Is this what happens when an immovable object meets an irresistible force?
I better be the latter or we are having words
[Waiting for a disparaging remark about my arrogance or physique....]0 -
She made many violations on forums topics when I have seen them. She has done it on this topic. Yet nothing happens to her. it's pretty sad actually. How the community is, filled with biases. I get it, she's a myfitnesspal.com favorite, I get that. The mods let her get away with stuff, that's very obvious.
For someone who signed up in December and only has 36 posts, you sure seem to have a mighty big axe to grind - plenty of anecdotal experience, and what seems to be a pretty deep well of upset.
You sound like Pu.0 -
I think it's highly arrogant. Taking someone elses work, knocking it off and passing it as her own? That "meet your protein needs, then your fat." yada yada yada is from Lyle Mcdonald...
It's called plagiarism.
Where do I say 'meet your protein needs then your fat'?
Also, the concept of macros is not unique to Lyle...at all. If you think that you need to accuse a whole bunch of people in the nutrition field.
I am not going to say bad reading comprehension, which you have a tendency to say to people for the reasons listed previously.
How do you set up macros or calorie intake for someone?
Oh my lawdy....you clarified AFTER you posted your accusation.
Also, why don't you actually address my comment rather than casting accusations at me...for once.
Bolded implies you don't do that. So I am asking what do you do then? Since you imply you don't do that.
And I am asking you where you saw this. You were the one that made that assertion. Back up your claim rather than making false accusations like you have been the whole way through this thread.1g of protein per lb of LBM as a minimum target
0.35g of fat per lb of total body weight as a minimum target
The balance can fall where you wish, taking into account performance, satiety and adherence.
BTW that's bad science, most research on protein intake is based on total body weight, not LBM. So this method is highly flawed and filled with bad science.0 -
If ur eating ice cream I don't really see the sense in even tracking ur calories..
Lolwut?
This was my exact expression, too.
Guess the ice cream cake I had last night was "bad"...guess I will just stay "phat"...:drinker:0 -
I think it's highly arrogant. Taking someone elses work, knocking it off and passing it as her own? That "meet your protein needs, then your fat." yada yada yada is from Lyle Mcdonald...
It's called plagiarism.
Where do I say 'meet your protein needs then your fat'?
Also, the concept of macros is not unique to Lyle...at all. If you think that you need to accuse a whole bunch of people in the nutrition field.
I am not going to say bad reading comprehension, which you have a tendency to say to people for the reasons listed previously.
How do you set up macros or calorie intake for someone?
Oh my lawdy....you clarified AFTER you posted your accusation.
Also, why don't you actually address my comment rather than casting accusations at me...for once.
Bolded implies you don't do that. So I am asking what do you do then? Since you imply you don't do that.
And I am asking you where you saw this. You were the one that made that assertion. Back up your claim rather than making false accusations like you have been the whole way through this thread.1g of protein per lb of LBM as a minimum target
0.35g of fat per lb of total body weight as a minimum target
The balance can fall where you wish, taking into account performance, satiety and adherence.
BTW that's bad science, most research on protein intake is based on total body weight, not LBM. So this method is highly flawed and filled with bad science.
Firstly - not on my profile...where you said I was arrogant for stating it (so - misinterpreting facts as usual)
Secondly - where do I say protein first and fats second? (so - getting facts wrong as usual)
Also...you may want to update your research...and read the thread better...0 -
She made many violations on forums topics when I have seen them. She has done it on this topic. Yet nothing happens to her. it's pretty sad actually. How the community is, filled with biases. I get it, she's a myfitnesspal.com favorite, I get that. The mods let her get away with stuff, that's very obvious.
For someone who signed up in December and only has 36 posts, you sure seem to have a mighty big axe to grind - plenty of anecdotal experience, and what seems to be a pretty deep well of upset.
You sound like Pu.
I shouldn't even reply to this post, but since you quoted me I would suspect you would want a reply. Frankly, I don't know what you're saying.0 -
She made many violations on forums topics when I have seen them. She has done it on this topic. Yet nothing happens to her. it's pretty sad actually. How the community is, filled with biases. I get it, she's a myfitnesspal.com favorite, I get that. The mods let her get away with stuff, that's very obvious.
If you have issue with her posts, report them.
Yes, she's a local fav because she provides value, brings intelligence and frankly gives a lot of herself, what do you bring? So far, I'm not seeing much but foisted aggressiveness.0 -
She made many violations on forums topics when I have seen them. She has done it on this topic. Yet nothing happens to her. it's pretty sad actually. How the community is, filled with biases. I get it, she's a myfitnesspal.com favorite, I get that. The mods let her get away with stuff, that's very obvious.
For someone who signed up in December and only has 36 posts, you sure seem to have a mighty big axe to grind - plenty of anecdotal experience, and what seems to be a pretty deep well of upset.
You sound like Pu.
Almost, but not passive aggressive enough.0 -
She made many violations on forums topics when I have seen them. She has done it on this topic. Yet nothing happens to her. it's pretty sad actually. How the community is, filled with biases. I get it, she's a myfitnesspal.com favorite, I get that. The mods let her get away with stuff, that's very obvious.
If you have issue with her posts, report them.
Yes, she's a local fav because she provides value, brings intelligence and frankly gives a lot of herself, what do you bring? So far, I'm not seeing much but foisted aggressiveness.
Exactly. Any blind eyes turned towards members who help to advance the community is a good thing when any perceived offenses are minor.0 -
If I am plagiarizing Lyle, and my sclence is bad...doesn't that make Lyle's science bad?0
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If I am plagiarizing Lyle, and my sclence is bad...doesn't that make Lyle's science bad?
Prepare for the goal post to be moved.0 -
If I am plagiarizing Lyle, and my sclence is bad...doesn't that make Lyle's science bad?
You could be plagiarizing poorly. This whole topic is cray cray.0 -
I think it's highly arrogant. Taking someone elses work, knocking it off and passing it as her own? That "meet your protein needs, then your fat." yada yada yada is from Lyle Mcdonald...
It's called plagiarism.
Where do I say 'meet your protein needs then your fat'?
Also, the concept of macros is not unique to Lyle...at all. If you think that you need to accuse a whole bunch of people in the nutrition field.
I am not going to say bad reading comprehension, which you have a tendency to say to people for the reasons listed previously.
How do you set up macros or calorie intake for someone?
Oh my lawdy....you clarified AFTER you posted your accusation.
Also, why don't you actually address my comment rather than casting accusations at me...for once.
Bolded implies you don't do that. So I am asking what do you do then? Since you imply you don't do that.
And I am asking you where you saw this. You were the one that made that assertion. Back up your claim rather than making false accusations like you have been the whole way through this thread.1g of protein per lb of LBM as a minimum target
0.35g of fat per lb of total body weight as a minimum target
The balance can fall where you wish, taking into account performance, satiety and adherence.
BTW that's bad science, most research on protein intake is based on total body weight, not LBM. So this method is highly flawed and filled with bad science.
The reason most research is based on total body weight is that it is an easier method of measurement. It does not make it intrinsically better science. One of the better equations for TDEE is based on LBM (despite the fact that most research on TDEE has been done on body weight) but I hope you aren't about to suggest that TDEE work on LBM is bad science.
How is LBM based protein macro setting "bad science" - please cite at least one scientific article that states this.
This is going to be fun.0 -
She made many violations on forums topics when I have seen them. She has done it on this topic. Yet nothing happens to her. it's pretty sad actually. How the community is, filled with biases. I get it, she's a myfitnesspal.com favorite, I get that. The mods let her get away with stuff, that's very obvious.
For someone who signed up in December and only has 36 posts, you sure seem to have a mighty big axe to grind - plenty of anecdotal experience, and what seems to be a pretty deep well of upset.
You sound like Pu.
I shouldn't even reply to this post, but since you quoted me I would suspect you would want a reply. Frankly, I don't know what you're saying.
You don't know what anyone in here is saying.
But the fact that my very plainly-written post is supposedly incomprehensible to you certainly doesn't do your assertion any justice.
And no - quoting you doesn't mean I want a reply. No one wants a reply from you. Your contributions have no merit.0 -
I think it's highly arrogant. Taking someone elses work, knocking it off and passing it as her own? That "meet your protein needs, then your fat." yada yada yada is from Lyle Mcdonald...
It's called plagiarism.
Where do I say 'meet your protein needs then your fat'?
Also, the concept of macros is not unique to Lyle...at all. If you think that you need to accuse a whole bunch of people in the nutrition field.
I am not going to say bad reading comprehension, which you have a tendency to say to people for the reasons listed previously.
How do you set up macros or calorie intake for someone?
Oh my lawdy....you clarified AFTER you posted your accusation.
Also, why don't you actually address my comment rather than casting accusations at me...for once.
Bolded implies you don't do that. So I am asking what do you do then? Since you imply you don't do that.
And I am asking you where you saw this. You were the one that made that assertion. Back up your claim rather than making false accusations like you have been the whole way through this thread.1g of protein per lb of LBM as a minimum target
0.35g of fat per lb of total body weight as a minimum target
The balance can fall where you wish, taking into account performance, satiety and adherence.
BTW that's bad science, most research on protein intake is based on total body weight, not LBM. So this method is highly flawed and filled with bad science.
The reason most research is based on total body weight is that it is an easier method of measurement. It does not make it intrinsically better science. One of the better equations for TDEE is based on LBM (despite the fact that most research on TDEE has been done on body weight) but I hope you aren't about to suggest that TDEE work on LBM is bad science.
How is LBM based protein macro setting "bad science" - please cite at least one scientific article that states this.
This is going to be fun.
Especially considering that the point of eating an adequate amount of protein is to help preserve LBM.0 -
She made many violations on forums topics when I have seen them. She has done it on this topic. Yet nothing happens to her. it's pretty sad actually. How the community is, filled with biases. I get it, she's a myfitnesspal.com favorite, I get that. The mods let her get away with stuff, that's very obvious.
If you have issue with her posts, report them.
Yes, she's a local fav because she provides value, brings intelligence and frankly gives a lot of herself, what do you bring? So far, I'm not seeing much but foisted aggressiveness.
I brought more... I exposed the truth...
1)I already discussed how she is misleading people with her ice cream posts.
2)Her macro calculations is bad science.
3)How she's knocking off someone elses method (not exactly but for the most part).
You should be thanking me.0 -
WTF?! should be an ice cream flavor inspired by this thread. Measured in lilliputians, containing Cheshire Cat fat grams and curdled by sheer rage.0
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She made many violations on forums topics when I have seen them. She has done it on this topic. Yet nothing happens to her. it's pretty sad actually. How the community is, filled with biases. I get it, she's a myfitnesspal.com favorite, I get that. The mods let her get away with stuff, that's very obvious.
Really I'd like to see those posts....
I am about to take one for the team and get my first warning...but will hold my tongue...
I got news for you buddy some adults here actually read more then the average and we do use words that maybe aren't commonly used....that doesn't make them arrogant it makes them well read and verse in many topics.
Just because it's not common language for you...try to get out more and dig your head out of whatever crap you are getting your info from....why track calories if you eat ice cream....:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
As for Sara she is a valuable member of this community and when you become half of what she is you will still only be a little man trust me on that...
Now I am off to have a bath, drink some wine and eat more ice cream cake cause I took Sara's advice...and AMG have lost significant weight and body fat...ie .8g of Protien per LBM...0 -
I brought more... I exposed the truth...
Truth???
You're hiding behind a sock puppet account to swing at someone from the dark. You have the nuts to claim that you care about truth? Integrity and ethics mean nothing to someone like you.
Yet here you are just screaming away about how bad someone else is. :laugh:0 -
I think it's highly arrogant. Taking someone elses work, knocking it off and passing it as her own? That "meet your protein needs, then your fat." yada yada yada is from Lyle Mcdonald...
It's called plagiarism.
Where do I say 'meet your protein needs then your fat'?
Also, the concept of macros is not unique to Lyle...at all. If you think that you need to accuse a whole bunch of people in the nutrition field.
I am not going to say bad reading comprehension, which you have a tendency to say to people for the reasons listed previously.
How do you set up macros or calorie intake for someone?
Oh my lawdy....you clarified AFTER you posted your accusation.
Also, why don't you actually address my comment rather than casting accusations at me...for once.
Bolded implies you don't do that. So I am asking what do you do then? Since you imply you don't do that.
And I am asking you where you saw this. You were the one that made that assertion. Back up your claim rather than making false accusations like you have been the whole way through this thread.1g of protein per lb of LBM as a minimum target
0.35g of fat per lb of total body weight as a minimum target
The balance can fall where you wish, taking into account performance, satiety and adherence.
BTW that's bad science, most research on protein intake is based on total body weight, not LBM. So this method is highly flawed and filled with bad science.
The reason most research is based on total body weight is that it is an easier method of measurement. It does not make it intrinsically better science. One of the better equations for TDEE is based on LBM (despite the fact that most research on TDEE has been done on body weight) but I hope you aren't about to suggest that TDEE work on LBM is bad science.
How is LBM based protein macro setting "bad science" - please cite at least one scientific article that states this.
This is going to be fun.
You want me to cite one research paper that tells you what bad science is or isn't? That doesn't make sense.
The reason it's bad science because there is no evidence to support protein based on LBM.0 -
She made many violations on forums topics when I have seen them. She has done it on this topic. Yet nothing happens to her. it's pretty sad actually. How the community is, filled with biases. I get it, she's a myfitnesspal.com favorite, I get that. The mods let her get away with stuff, that's very obvious.
If you have issue with her posts, report them.
Yes, she's a local fav because she provides value, brings intelligence and frankly gives a lot of herself, what do you bring? So far, I'm not seeing much but foisted aggressiveness.
I brought more... I exposed the truth...
1)I already discussed how she is misleading people with her ice cream posts.
2)Her macro calculations is bad science.
3)How she's knocking off someone elses method (not exactly but for the most part).
You should be thanking me.
You just do not give up.
1) How am I misleading people with my ice cream posts. Someone said you cannot get lean earing it (blanket statement), I said you can. As you seem to be stalking me so much, you should have seem posts where I lay out the context.
2) as I said....get more up to date with your research and actually read the thread an put it in context
3) no, I am not. As I said, go accuse Aragon, the 3DMJ guys, and a bunch of other people. Using grams and not % is not a freaking copyrighted concept.0 -
I think it's highly arrogant. Taking someone elses work, knocking it off and passing it as her own? That "meet your protein needs, then your fat." yada yada yada is from Lyle Mcdonald...
It's called plagiarism.
Where do I say 'meet your protein needs then your fat'?
Also, the concept of macros is not unique to Lyle...at all. If you think that you need to accuse a whole bunch of people in the nutrition field.
I am not going to say bad reading comprehension, which you have a tendency to say to people for the reasons listed previously.
How do you set up macros or calorie intake for someone?
Oh my lawdy....you clarified AFTER you posted your accusation.
Also, why don't you actually address my comment rather than casting accusations at me...for once.
Bolded implies you don't do that. So I am asking what do you do then? Since you imply you don't do that.
And I am asking you where you saw this. You were the one that made that assertion. Back up your claim rather than making false accusations like you have been the whole way through this thread.1g of protein per lb of LBM as a minimum target
0.35g of fat per lb of total body weight as a minimum target
The balance can fall where you wish, taking into account performance, satiety and adherence.
BTW that's bad science, most research on protein intake is based on total body weight, not LBM. So this method is highly flawed and filled with bad science.
The reason most research is based on total body weight is that it is an easier method of measurement. It does not make it intrinsically better science. One of the better equations for TDEE is based on LBM (despite the fact that most research on TDEE has been done on body weight) but I hope you aren't about to suggest that TDEE work on LBM is bad science.
How is LBM based protein macro setting "bad science" - please cite at least one scientific article that states this.
This is going to be fun.
You want me to cite one research paper that tells you what bad science is or isn't? That doesn't make sense.
The reason it's bad science because there is no evidence to support protein based on LBM.
LMAO...coz wrong!!!!0 -
*whips out Vitriol Protection Shield*
Isn't protein intake based on LBM because (for one reason) basing it on current (over)weight isn't really productive. For example if I weighed 245 and wanted to get down to 179 (yes, i said it) there would be no point in eating grams of protein based on 245 pounds.
Am I understanding this correctly?
And, you know, I'm just going to say this out of sheer compulsion. A varied vocabulary is not a sign of arrogance. Deeming people arrogant based on vocabulary sure the **** is. I used a four letter word for general comprehension. Fornication for those not offended by diversity of language.0 -
LMAO...coz wrong!!!!
He's wrong, quite unhinged and clearly disturbed. He has been wrong about nearly every thing he's written in this thread as far as I can figure.
However what he IS doing right now is soaking your time so you can't help people. That's truly crappy.
That's before we get to the point where he doesn't have the self-respect to own up to his stupid game.0
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